In episode 8 of Youjo Senki, Grantz is bitching about muh warcimes and Tanya tells him to man the fuck up by beating him up with his rifle.
Then she starts fiddling with the rear of the rifle like she tightening or loosening the back of the bolt carrier. Then she throws his rifle down on the ground and orders him to use it. He freaks out, cries and fires after dramatically shouting. The scene ends there.
I was certain that she had loosened the back of the bolt carrier so that when he fired it would send the bolt into his head or something. Presumably because she expected him to fire at her. She would then tell him he is worthless as a soldier and a waste of valuable Imperial supplies and that a real soldier would have checked his weapon. That sort of shit. Not seeing her for the rest of the episode made me sure of it. We find out later that the whole time she was trying to explain that it was her that was responsible for the orders she was giving, not him. She was trying to help. So I guess she was just inspecting the rifle to make sure she didn't damage it when she hit him.
Was I the only one who thought this? Also, does she ever go beyond sending shitty training officers to their deaths away from where they would cause real harm or terrifying trainees so they quit and she can go back to the rear. I mean that is selfish, but not exactly evil. I am real close to reading the LN if I don't hear about a 2nd season soon.
forgot to add that she turns her back to him almost like she was baiting him into it.
Jonathan Bailey
>that scene description Well, people weren't lying when they said this was inspired by Imperial Guards, it seems. I guess I have to watch it now.
Tyler Bennett
Anime Original
Jacob Howard
>Bitching about muh warcrimes. In the conduct of war and being a commissioned officer there is a certain standard officers must uphold themselves up to.
This conduct has existed for a very long time, for over the last 500 years (As even knights had to uphold themselves in battle or get fucking beheaded.) To have issues about immoral acts being committed isn't bitching and it the responsibility of the commander and enlisted to prevent it from happening.
Jayden Butler
You only face consequences if you lose.
Carson Diaz
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Hunter Lee
There has been multiple cases where Tanya shows she (he) is actually a softy. Take episode 10/11 where she pushes one of her team out of the way and takes the blow even though he wasn't following orders.
>tanya likes the rear >so do I What a girl (man) with taste.
Lincoln Ward
>t. bomber harris
Evan Young
but didn't Tanya literally write the essay on why what they were doing wasn't a warcrime under international law?
Brayden Ramirez
I have seen plenty of scenes play themselves out where tanya goes beyond preserving her career when dealing with the people under her. Though less if shenki isn't cannon.
Dominic Bennett
Was it ever explained why magic crystals couldn't go to high-altitudes? The coffin corner should only be viable if the aircraft has wings.
Sebastian Phillips
I assumed it was more about the ability of the magic gems to infuse the user as you can't normally breathe beyond 8k meters.
Brayden Jackson
Tanya is about efficiency, she's not pointlessly sadistic she simply wanted him to get in line and follow orders.
Tyler Smith
The higher/faster they go the more energy the mage must expand to keep the spells that let him fly/breathe/... up.
Jacob Cruz
Well, the sempai/kouhai methodology that most companies in Japan use is one of the motives he's a softy towards everyone that work under him.
Chase Turner
I think after a certain point oxygen becomes an issue.
Caleb Sullivan
>he's a softy towards everyone that work under him Except for those 2 guys who he sent to the pillbox to get killed.
Easton Reed
I know its magic and an fiction, but don't you think they could give them a can of compressed air? I mean, the enemy was so surprised that Tanya could go above 10000m, to the point where they couldn't believe what they were seeing. Seems kind of silly.
Nicholas Torres
Oh please user we haven't even begun to discuss pic related
Jackson Lee
I think they disobeyed a direct order or something like that.
Xavier Jackson
The more of her veterans dead the less people she can rely upon, her mind is all about practicality and when she does something that would be seen as noble she's just thinking about the practical gains out of it.
That being said I think being in the military has changed her a little bit, in the corporate world it's cutthroat and merciless while in the military you need to count on those around you with your life and they count on you with theirs, her mentality is still far from normal but I think it's softened a tad. Maybe.
Joseph Sullivan
So did that other guy in episode 10/11. Tanya said to retreat/regroup and for him to not let his emotions take hold, but he did it anyway.
Jason James
They disobeyed several direct orders to break off their attack that was a breach of orders in the first place, showed no remorse about breaking said orders, and to top it all off they got shitty with her about being set home.
John Walker
which was perfectly normal she(he) understood that people are bound to let their emotions run them sometime. that was one of his first lessons when he died and he repeats later again that people aren't always going to do as you predict or something along those lines and they apologized afterward for disobeying the order unlike the first two who got an attitude and thought they were right.
Jace Wilson
I agree, but there is this.
Landon Walker
dont see whats wrong with this line of thought. its like keeping your support alive as long as possible. just them being there allows her not to be the focus of the enemy,
Anthony Cruz
I couldn't help but laugh at how retarded that looked. At least the other guys got air bikes.
Add rockets to the back of the skiis and angle them correctly. It would be like a rocket, but you could control the direction in which its pointing.
Dominic Kelly
That goes along her practical line of thought, she's simply thinking about her best options.
Tyler Howard
>take out my troops and get me killed. vs >take out my troops and trap me.
To me, one is more selfish than the other.
Jaxon Green
Either way she is in a bind, so what does it matter? The outcomes are the same.
Isaiah Thomas
I don't think it's exactly the same but fair enough
Brody Sanders
Schwarzkopf (or someone higher up) reassigned them. A commanding officer can't just transfer their subordinates to somewhere outside of their jurisdiction.
Xavier Garcia
I don't know. If they can use magic to form a bubble around themselves to breathe air at high altitudes, maybe they can also create a bubble around themselves that reduces their air resistance to minimal levels (enough to ruffle their clothes and slightly blow their hair).
Adrian Collins
Tanya recommended that those 2 go to the rear, which she knew would be a pillbox. The other girl made a comment about how kind she was for doing that, until she realized Tanya did it because she expected them to get killed.
Austin Watson
That essay was basically "This is how you warp the rules so the slaughter of civilians is totally not a war crime."
Brandon Ward
>to get killed. It was just a possibility though, there was also chance they would stay alive.
Matthew Thomas
I agree it is practical, but also an undertone of self serving which is what Tanya is all about. I'm just pointing to it as an example of that. Its like she says my men will die and I will be really fucked
I could just be reading too much into what was probably a CR sub error anyway.
Juan Richardson
Tanya couldn't predict that the notFrench artillery shells would fall on the specific pillbox they'll be assigned to, and the decision to transfer them was not hers to decide.
Gavin Sanchez
I think the fact none of them wear goggles pisses me off the most. Unless it is magic bubble that does all this.
Isaac Reyes
>self-serving That's like the goal of libertarianism, no? As long as it's legal, of course.
Jason Robinson
all's fair in love and war
Ryder Evans
I'd recommend you the manga version if you prefer them with goggles.
Robert Hughes
again, im not disagreeing. I'm just using it of an example of that undertone.
Henry Myers
They disobeyed orders. I believe the superior only heard that they made Tanya mad, but she recommended that they go to the rear. Tanya said they could be executed for disobeying orders, but she smoothed things over with her superior and convinced him to just send them to the rear (the superior probably also didn't want to kill his own men, but couldn't ignore this violation). So the superior took Tanya's judgement and sent them to the rear; making Tanya appear noble and caring for her troops.
Tanya however calculated that they had a much higher chance of getting killed there than being with her, and it also disgraced them (because they wanted to fight on the frontline).
David Gutierrez
I was planning on the light novel since im gonna need something to read this summer. How far along is the manga? oooooooh looks like it follows the LN artstyle. I may have to check that out too.
Say what you want about snk, at least the headgear for glasses wearers makes practical sense.
Cooper Jenkins
>reading this hard into anime original
Joseph Nguyen
It wasn't hard. 90% of what I said was actually spoken in the anime. The last 10% was derived from her facial expression after hearing about the 2 dying and the monologue from the other girl.
Connor Sullivan
Before the port strike.
Lucas Green
It's kinda silly trying to reason out stuff where magic is involved. It won't make much sense beyond "weaker magic means weaker limits and vice versa" anyways unless you live in that universe.
Julian Thomas
After seeing it a few times it feels like trailerbait
John Hill
All it would take is 20 seconds of exposition to answer a ton of basic questions.
Jordan Taylor
So does this incident not happen in the LN?
David Lewis
The anime shows the engines or whatever overheating when the mooks try to catch up to Tanya in the air, that should be more than good enough to draw conclusions.
What's really needed is the language thing which is never mentioned in even a single line even though Japanese Salaryman is in Not!Germany.
Michael Hill
I would agree with you on any other case. But in this one, they show us that people can propel upward with magic. Using that same amount of magic to propel upward, you should still be able to go upward without limit. The only issue that arises should be just breathable air and temperature.
They fly at 20m/s at 1000m. Why can't they fly 20m/s at 13000m? The physics equations are nearly identical, even when magic is added as a constant.
Ryan Sanders
Im talking about being able to breath and wind in eyes. shit like that.
Also, you do realize he was reincarnated as an infant in an orphanage run by nuns with the full cognitive abilities of his previous life. Not a stretch to assume he would pick up the language normally like anyone else.
Jordan Hernandez
Air resistance, friction? Maybe they pull some star trek shit and change shield geometry to make themselves more aerodynamic.
If it is just magic that does all that, why do they need the gear? You can see a greenish afterglow on the ground occasionally the same color of the glow on the equipment when tanya takes off. I think the machinery is what makes em fly and as such has limitations. The jewel i guess focuses the latent ability of the user.
thats my theory anyway
Jace Williams
Physics and magic don't mix. If magic says it can't keep you at over 13000m unless you have some magic stone blessed by Sonzai X, then you simply can't.
>Im talking about being able to breath and wind in eyes Magic. It increases durability allowing a loli to man handle grown adults so wind isn't an issue presumbly. Adults in the fighter planes can breath just fine. There ya go.
Gavin Myers
Half the fun of this thread is trying to make sense of it in a real world sense.
>Adults in the (bombers) can breath just fine.
Good point, at 10k meters they would be dead. Looks like the author didn't do his research.
Dylan Brown
Anyone else catch this when Tanya called them barbarians for violating the treaty?
Isaac Hernandez
Happened in a drastically different manner. There's no forced drama nor edgefest, and the pillbox they died in was the company's (squadron in LN translation) own.
James Ross
>Not a stretch to assume It hurts the immersion when they skip through little things like that. In the novels, Tanya already knows what the nuns are saying after birth.
Hudson Myers
>what is pressurized cabin You ever ride a plane? And as ridiculous as it may sound, the world of Youjo Senki uses imperial measurement, so that's 10k feet.
Lucas Roberts
Alternate reality created by Sonzai X so it doesn't have to be 1:1 with our own.
Gabriel Roberts
We assume Tanya already knew by the way she was able to recognize her own name after they said "She will be Tanya".
Angel Sanchez
I used this scene in a montage of my shotgun adventures in PUBG. Trench guns were a major WTF moment for the Germans in WW1. Americans brought them over to Europe where no one else was using in warfare.
>Although the Model 1897 was popular with American troops in World War I, the Germans soon began to protest its use in combat. "On 19 September 1918, the German government issued a diplomatic protest against the American use of shotguns, alleging that the shotgun was prohibited by the law of war."[16] A part of the German protest read that "[i]t is especially forbidden to employ arms, projections, or materials calculated to cause unnecessary suffering" as defined in the 1907 Hague Convention on Land Warfare.[2] This is the only known occasion in which the legality of actual combat use of the shotgun has been raised.[16] However, the United States interpreted their use of the shotgun differently than Germany. The Judge Advocate General of the Army, Secretary of State Robert Lansing carefully considered and reviewed the applicable law and promptly rejected the German protest.[16] France and Britain considered using shotguns as trench warfare weapons during World War I. The shotgun in question was a double-barreled shotgun, which was not used because they were unable to obtain high powered ammunition and that type of gun is slow to reload in close combat.[16]
This scene was a neat little parallel history snippet.
David Perez
I thought about that. It all falls apart when you factor that in.
Grayson Wood
I don't think trench guns or flame throwers were banned in WWI or WWII. In WW1, some German general wanted to ban them, but couldn't so he decided whatever enemy was caught with a trench gun or shells of one would be executed. Likewise, the allies said they would do the same to enemies with flame throwers, but in the end neither of them followed up on that.
Charles Richardson
To be fair it's probably a mistranslation then since I don't hear them say "meters" or "feet" in the Japanese dub.
Chase Thomas
It's most likely done on purpose to screw with Tanya since science was one of the reasons why she has no faith in Sonzai X.
Wyatt Perry
>what is pressurized cabin Pic related look pressurized to you? >You ever ride a plane? yes >And as ridiculous as it may sound, the world of Youjo Senki uses imperial measurement, so that's 10k feet. The anime uses metric multiple times and the altitudes match up with aircraft of that era. But I will grant that it could be a mistranslation/assumption since its notEuropean it must be notMetric
Try thinking before you post snark. It might go better next time if you do.
Alexander Bell
Not really a mistranslation per se. I went to a few scenes and they just say 'koudo' meaning altitude and 'sokudo' meaning speed. >koudo (altitude) 10000 >sokudo (speed) 250
Seeing as only the US doesn't use the metric system, and how anal non-japanese speakers would get if they didn't add some unit of measurement; I'd say they made the right decision.
Michael Jenkins
I implore you to read the LN before arguing this hard. Anime QUALITY & EDGE is not canon and result in contradictions not present in the original work.
Adam Rodriguez
After reading through the thread I fully intend to check out the LN and then the manga adaptation.
Henry Gonzalez
>vlc snap >kissanime rip
Noah Wright
It's indeed obfuscated, but the LN and manga did show the units occasionally
Joseph Long
>manga adaption
Luis Davis
I knew someone would take the bait
Juan King
do you configure mpv to name the ss as vlc?
Kayden King
You won't get farther than volume 1 and a single chapter of volume 2. Time to learn to read Kanji!
Cameron Perez
I see it as a way to see a less compromised art style compared to the anime
Owen Bennett
not to mention dling from kiss in the first place. which is more cancerous, kiss or anilinkz
Zachary Gonzalez
Isn't this LN considered one of the harder to translate LNs? One which even Japanese high school students have trouble reading without a dictionary?
Bentley Parker
your over thinking it, remember this was made in japan. They know very little to parts of rifles.
Mason Rivera
Don't be a faggot. Cancer is cancer. There is no need to measure it.
Colton Nelson
Why do threads always die around 8am in the UK? No Euros?
Colton Parker
I'd assume most anons go to bed around 2-8am
Daniel Thomas
My fellow martsharters and I have to sleep sometime. its past 4 on the east coast
Charles Jackson
It's past 4am here in NY. Gonna go fap to some Rakudai Kishi doujins in a bit and then sleep
Austin Mitchell
2 chapters. The second chapter of Vol2 got translated in the beginning of April
Camden Stewart
And after that, read manga, which is currently at the beginning of LN vol. 2 ch. 3
Gabriel Thompson
I tried to fap to the 2 Tanya doujinshi. But I just couldn't bring myself to.
Justin Mitchell
It's explained in the manga.
Justin Hill
Because it's a man or because they were bad...?
Connor Wood
The art was decent and I've fapped to granblue fantasy before. Maybe its her (his) personality?
Isaac Cooper
One is just a random isekai (thisekai?) back to Comiket and a random horde of otaku started gangbanging Tanya.
Jacob Lewis
>tfw no grown up Tanya to make babies with
Aaron Price
>grown up
Why?
Liam Lee
>no heavy bags under the eyes and deep stress wrinkles dropped