Can we all agree that getting rid of DACA people makes zero sense...

Can we all agree that getting rid of DACA people makes zero sense? We've already invested billions in their training and education. They're culturally American. Most of them have jobs, committed no crimes, aren't on welfare.

>But but but THEY BROKE THE LAW!!!
No one actually cares except white nationalists. Everyone has broken the law before. Most of the time it isn't even the daca recipient's fault, it's their parents. But i guess Ezekiel 18:20 doesn't apply when hate Mexicans strongly enough.

>Inb4 fuck off José!!!
I'm an American citizen. It just makes more sense to deport leech NEET natives instead. I'm not sure why being shit out on American soil gives you the right to be a drain on society.

Trump is a spic loving traitor

>everyone has broken the law
no nigger we didnt stop rationalizing

>What is citizenship and why

Fuck off we are full

I hope DACA is repealed so everyone who isn't of Native American ancestry has to fuck off and go back to where their forefathers came from.

Morning news was making all this big huge deal about needing to keep DACA or else the military gon die. Like, what the hell. DACA is a ridiculous and has to go. We can and will deal with the aftermath in a civilized and reasonable fashion as usual.

shouldn't hold the children responsible for the crimes of the father. trump is dragging it out for as long as possible to get as good a deal as possible. daca is fine.

We need tough border security, and tough enforcement, in a deal that includes DACA or some other form of legalization.

terrorists seem to often be children of immigrants

Beef up immigration courts and start deporting illegal aliens. We'll tell you when to stop. It'll be a while.

> they are culturally American
They are socialists
> we have invested
And will continue to invest, with no hope of profit. Hispanic-Americans are worth -2000 per year in taxes. Doesn’t matter how much we’ve invested, or how long they’ve been here. They take more out of the system than they pay in.

>it costs billions to train 800,000 Mexicans to be decent humans

The love of money is the root of all evil. Rabbis always want to break the rules in the name of money because they're evil.

So if I rob a bank my kids should be able to keep the money because they are used to having it and it isn't their fault?

What is in it for me?

If your kids are contributing more value than you stole, then they should be fine. You're the one who committed the crime. You should be punished.

Let them stay, but they should never be allowed to vote. The whole purpose of DACA was to import a voting block that would give dems more seats in Congress.

Which side is being evil and greedy? The one that is contributing to society, or the one that sits on its ass and steals money from the people who work to contribute?

They don't pay taxes

No taxes=fuck right off

The one that puts a shekel value on life rather than considering the law.

Their kids and grandkids will multiply like rabbits, and will be allowed to vote.

Send them home.

No! They can help their great non-shithole countries great again.

So the Mexicans.

The future of America is brown, whether we have DACA or not. They're coming in from India, Syria, Mexico, the judges won't do anything to people who jump the wall (that is why the wall is worthless), the Border Patrol and ICE have left us completely down for the past 30 years, there are no practical political solutions that will be instituted to fix any of the problems in this country.

every day things get worse

god you an embaressment.

make sure you change your fucking flag before you post again. You are not an american.

Either sort yourself out or neck yourself.
SAGE

It's like 200,000 people in a nation over 300 million.

Didn't hear any Mexicans arguing on the morning news or in this thread. Just people trying to justify breaking the law because it costs less that way.

DACA is bullshit. We can either compromise and have a reasonable discussion about how best to keep the ones we want, but failing that just start kicking them all out for being illegal.

no, it’s 800,000 people plus their parents, so more poor 2 million you fuckin cuck

Yeah I’m afraid this is true. Two hundred years from now, when society has collapsed, maybe a few of the smartest brown people will realize what they’ve done.

Blacks won’t realize shit. Ants are more self aware than blacks.

>The future of America is brown
Sieg Heil

>. I'm not sure why being shit out on American soil gives you the right to be a drain

I agree. Now move back to Mexico.

>DACA is out future
No it's not. We already have enough Immigration lawyers and landscaping companies. Mexican ceilings don't go much higher than that.

If they're so valuable, why isn't Mexico trying to attract them? Their citizens just got free world class education, and they'd rather these highly skilled and educated citizens stay in another country? Makes no sense.

If a shithole like Mexico doesn't want them, why would we?

It's worth it to deport them to undermine the democrats' electoral strategy alone, not even accounting for them being a net drain and frankly just an eyesore.

Christianity and it's cuckedness is what has brought about our downfall so fuck your jew worshiping religion and quit trying to appeal to Christians who don't give a shit about subhuman scum

>culturally American

Yeah, because if someone snuck into Japan, and lived there for a shitton of time, where they even, for the most part, assimilated with the society and culture, they're just automatically accepted as citizens. Yeah, no. That's not how immigration works.

Mexicans and Central Americans are the worst people I’ve ever met. Colombians and Venezuelans were also manipulative. SEND THEM BACK!

McWog

The government already said that they would take them in and assist them in any way they can

Stormnigger ideology in a nutshell: too opinionated AND too stupid to know the facts.

...

>We've already invested billions
That's why all illegals should be rounded up and harvested for organs. Some good ROI. Better ROI than a nacho nigger will ever be able to provide through taxes.

Op is thinking along racial lines because tons of DACA recipients in my local school systems are POS who only pass high school because the schools want the federal monies.

If just one brown Mexican kid is deported, his little baby picture will be plastered over every news channel and lefty Twitter feed, just like that little kid who washed ashore on a beach over in Europe 2 years ago..... all the white women on Faceberg and Twatter will turn the brown Mexican kid into the new Michael Brown or Trayvon - their national hero, there will be marches in every city....

as long as white women and coloreds are able to vote, they will continually vote to bring more 3rd world trash in here

you cannot allow brown people to move to America and then allow them to vote, because they will only vote to allow other brown people (their relatives) into this country.... all of these problems should have been ironed out in the 1970s or 1980s, not now, it is far too late at this point to solve the demographics problem in this country

Law is race agnostic. Fuck off

I'd deport you over DACA spics. Traitors die first.

Fuck off we're full, they need to go back

That 200,000 are just daca, then there are the parents, the sisters,brothers,aunts,uncles and cousins. Why do you think the democrats refuse the wall? And want they refuse chain migration? Because that one daca can bring in as many of his relatives that he wants!

They are democratic voters, the dem leaders don't care about them! They just want votes! They are going to fight this wall,chain migration,visa lottery And daca tooth and nail! When those things are gone and the media stops lying to the brain dead leftist libtards then the dems will hardly have a vote!

Shouldn't it be the Republican party's job to sell Conservative values to People? White people are already becoming less conservative with each generation. Getting rid of brown people isn't solving this problem.

>Can we all agree that getting rid of DACA people makes zero sense?
No.
>We've already invested billions in their training and education.
Thanks to the Supreme Court defying the text of the Constitution in Plyler v. Doe. We should reverse Plyler v. Doe, not compound one mistake with another.
>They're culturally American.
You have no way to demonstrate this because, in many cases, it is false.
>Most of them have jobs
Competing with young, unskilled American labor who are also trying to get their first job. Not being subject to Department of Labor rules gives the illegal immigrant a direct advantage in the low-skilled job market.
>committed no crimes
They came here in violation of our immigration laws.
>aren't on welfare.
Picture related.
>No one actually cares except white nationalists.
False.
>Everyone has broken the law before.
Everyone who is caught should be held accountable to the extent the law requires.
>Most of the time it isn't even the daca recipient's fault, it's their parents.
This does not excuse them from laws governing immigration and naturalization. They can be deported with the parents who brought them here.
>But i guess Ezekiel 18:20
We are not a theocracy.
>doesn't apply when hate Mexicans strongly enough.
No one is suggesting we punish people brought here as children with prison time. They need to go to the country to which they have citizenship. This is maintaining order, not punishment.
>I'm an American citizen. It just makes more sense to deport leech NEET natives instead.
Except there is no legal basis to deport citizens unless they defect to a hostile nation/army.
>I'm not sure why being shit out on American soil gives you the right to be a drain on society.
It doesn't, but welfare programs are a separate discussion.

I don't care what was invested in the past. I didn't get a choice. Just because I was robbed at gunpoint, doesn't mean I'm "pot committed" now. An investment is only as good as its returns and there is nothing in DACA other than a loss.

Reason being, over 90% of them will vote for bigger government. This has been studied very extensively and even with Trump's unprecedented Hispanic support, there'd still be enough DACA people in Florida and Pennsylvania to turn it blue forever. This means that Democrats will never lose another election and that everything I care about will be lost for good (barring some violent revolution in the future).

So quite frankly, I only care about the electorate and everyone knows Democrats ONLY want DACA to stay so that they have a shot in hell to win the next election. It's the same reason Democrats want Puerto Rico to have statehood. They only care about getting those easy hispanic votes, no matter the cost.

>Says the France cuck

>Ezekiel 18:20
are you assuming everyone is a christ kike?

according to USA Today only 900 of the 3 to 4 MILLION Illegal Aliens are serving in the military. ok the 900 can stay. next issue please.

The fucking democratic talking point now is "we don't need the wall! That immigration is down and most of the drugs come through the ports!" , they even went so far as to say that mexico southern border has less crossings now so we should be fine, we don't need to do anything - They say!

Trump talked to the Mexican president who is praising trump finally cracking down on immigrants! He has to deal with less Salvadorians now! Trumps stance on immigration is making illegal crossers question if they should risk it, so there are less trying to cross!

1% of americans serve in our military. .000025 of illegals serve. why we brining in people who refuse to fight for thier homes. they already fled one home they let go to shit.

Listen to Paco. He's making sense.
Also, DACA recipients are culturally American. The simply fit in better in American than Mexico.

Where do we draw the line? And what kind of message does this send to would be immigrants on which path to citizenship is the correct one (legal/illegal)?

Electoral Votes:

California: 55
New York: 29
Texas: 36
Florida: 29

TOTAL: 149 electoral votes (if you win those 4 states, you have well more than half of the 270 electoral votes needed to be President)


with the way demographics are shifting in Texas, we have 15 years before Texas is a solid-blue state like California is....... Florida is such a brown state already that Obama was able to win Florida twice... Florida is almost a solid-blue state now, another 5 years of old white people dying off in Florida and more Mexicans/Haitans moving into Florida - and it is a solid blue state forever

There are no solutions to our demographic problems, things will get worse, the next Democrat president will open the floodgates, in the year 2040 we are going to look back at the current period and Obama will be seen as a centrist-conservative president, because what is coming down the pipeline in this country is going to be outright brown communists in office

>Everyone has broken the law before
Sure, speeding is on the same level as jeopardizing national security
>Inb4 fuck off José!!!
Fuck off Mr. Goldbergshekelstein

Conservatism is dead.

Also, government is there to protect the people of their own country(not another one) and protect its peoples best interest.

The dem politicians are protecting their own interests! They only care about money! Maxine waters doesn't even live in the same town as her constituents!

If you believe that most of those daca's are kids!?! You are wrong! The median age is 24! So that means that number is situated right in the middle. So there are just as many 47yr olds as there are 7yr olds!

>culturally American
But they're not American.

Get fucking rid of them you kike

Illegals need to go back. Obey our fucking laws, libshit commie fuck.

In your mind it is! Look at every brown country, look at the crime! Do you want the u.s. that way? Watch some off duty police bids in mexico! United states will become a shithole because of some shitty people. Face it, whites are the people who get shit done and have nice countries. Democrats with their propaganda and greed ruin them every time!

Economics, culture, and government are all downstream from demographics. If you want to maintain your euro-centric liberal democracy than you can't replace the native European descendent population with mexicans. It is necessary to deport these people in order to preserve our own culture and society. If they are as hard working and educated as progressives claim them to be, then I'm sure Mexico will be better off taking them back and they will do wonders to rebuild their own shithole country.

What kind of stupid rationale is that?

>We've already wasted money, so why not waste some more?

Send the native Americans back as well, Africa is for the Bison and nothing more.

>in your mind it is
Lol, name one thing conservatives have conserved? They have bent over backwards for the Left since 1965. It's over.
I'm not disagreeing with your other points, but conservatism has failed and isn't going to save the US. We either go hard Right or turn into Brazil.

*America, not Africa

They can stay if they actually participated in the same rules and regulations everyday legitimate Americans are subject to. Illegal aliens, aka non-citizens, aren't forced to carry car insurance in the way American citizens are. Every single day there are incidents and accidents caused by these people, and the ones affected have ZERO sources of retribution. Stop making legitimate Americans suffer at the hands of people whom refuse to participate in a society that would be forced upon them if they were legal citizens. I don't blame them for taking the loopholes, I blame the people that continually justify their ability to do so. END SANCTUARIES NOW

-t. someone who was hit in a car accident by an illegal immigrant with no insurance that received ZERO retribution for their crimes because of sanctuary status. FUCK DENVER, I pray ICE comes swift and forthright for all of your so called "leaders"

>No one actually cares
Oh, so this is a playbook phrase then. Give up.

Gen Z is the most conservative generation since the boomers. The threat of being a minority in their own country is causing strong in group preferences in the younger generations.

The globalist freedom loving neoconservatism of the 60s through early 2000s is dead and is being replaced with the early 1900s era nationalist conservatism. To deny this is to ignore reality.

The ONLY legitimate political idea i've ever seen on this Forum geared towards fixing the Demographic problem is that the Republican party in DC has to start giving out welfare to white career women to force these white women to have children... trying to be limited-government free market folks has handed this country over to the Left, we have to interfere with the market and force white women out of the career-path and get them to start having more children, there is a chance we could then take the credit for these white children and thus the Republican Party could be seen as the party that is supporting White Women, however, the law would have to be crafted in such a way that it does not apply to blacks or mexicans on the face of it and thus not be overturned for being discrimination, apply only to college grad women who are married (which pretty much means it is for white women only)

we cannot win over Blacks or Mexicans - that is a failed experiment.... we do have a slight chance of winning over White Women

This.
No one ITT wants to hear you. I really hope Trump doesn't betray us on the central pillar of his campaign. This bleeding heart bullshit over the "Dreamers" is just another blanket amnesty for illegals. We repeated it again after Reagan did this and we will be repeating it again in 10 years. The only way to brake this cycle is to stop being such bleeding heart pussies and throw them all the fuck out.

even if they played by the same rules they'd need to go. Changing a country's demographics fundamentally changes the way that country functions. In order to maintain a semblance of a liberal democracy we need to maintain a strong white majority in our countries.

Just because you say we agree on something does not mean we agree on something. See how this works?

keep passing the buck and continue to excuse your own generation for being a complete and utter failure for anything remotely close to respectable leaders. WAKE THE FUCK UP, THIS IS ON ALL OF US. STOP EXPECTING FUTURE GENERATIONS TO CLEAN UP THE MESS.

Sit down.

You ain't gonna do shit. You know you're a numale beta when you try to act hard on Sup Forums

i honestly do not give two shits whether daca gets to stay or not, im more worried about what is behind them, the tens of millions of illegals. the jobs that go with it, the crime that go with it, the mediocrity of living among a country that allows it to fester. none of our politicians are serious about tackling illegal immigration with something like mandatory everify. it seems most of the republicans secretly don't really want something like that, and neither do the democrats, in fact they want the opposite. nobody is serious about this shit. we need a party that protects jobs, whether you are a liberal or a conservative, right now we have a bunch of people, millionaires, billionaires who think they know better than us on how we should live, on a foundation that is corrupt. there is a transfer going on with jobs here and our own government is doing it. they are traitors man.

>we need to maintain a strong white majority in our countries.

too late

>everyone has broken the law
you're the bitch that posted the don't report other people when they's a shopliftin" didn't you?

I literally lol'd at this.

There is no "Gen Zyklon".

Outside of a few hopeful conservative articles about this new generation, it's going to be more liberal than the last.

This is the generation that is so connected from birth that they're going to be the ones to legalize marijuana, continue degenerate secularism, continue to service gay marriage and abortions.

It's going to be the most mixed race generation in American history.

How stupid are you?

Stop listening to blink 1488 and posting memes of white families hoping you can save the white race. Go outside and exercise/get a job ya fucking degenerate.

You gotta admit it's kind of awesome.

The fact that we get to live through this struggle and prepare for unprecedented times.

>already invested billions
What is sunk costs?

Boomers did this to Gen X
Gen X blew them off entirely so then they started blaming Gen Y
Now there are attempts by Boomers and Gen Y to expect Gen Z
STOP IT

WE are still alive, WE are becoming the voice of society in some way or another. WE must stand up our yourselves, WE must take accountability and WE must do something about this shit hand WE have been dealt with whether WE are to blame or not, but WE must stop passing these issues onto others or otherwise dismiss them entirely.

Stupid to keep it. Consider the amoubt of money we the public have invested in education with a promise of these jobs but we are pandering to illegals instead.

Fuck the illegals and fuck corporations. Repatriate some dollars to offset the waste, faggots.

Who the fuck walks in, audits, and appraises that you fool, feelings?

American in france. Educate yourself

What proof is there of this? Yes, gen z might hate SJW but doesn't mean they're conservative. Gen Z is the most feminized, gay, secular, and brown generation yet.

>Culturally American
>waves Mexican flag
>attacks women and old people outside trump rallies
>burns American flag
What did you mean by this?

I feel that if your a DACA person that came to this country under the age 0f 17 have a professional job or at least a job that is not cleaning cars for the rest of your life, not criminal record or are in the military you should be allowed to stay in this country. But you will have no right to vote for the next 13 years and in that time you have to stay straight in the eye of the law... also no chain migration

This so much
>Culturally pic related

there are literally dozens of us here

>We've already invested billions in their training and education.
Okay so have them take that investment back to their original shithole countries so that in time they can turn their country of origin into a non shithole. Thus as time goes on less people will want to leave said country and try to illegaly enter America, and burden the U.S. tax payer.

We shouldn't deport them we should kill them and you

>feel
Stop feeling. The issue isn’t DACA themselves as it is acting as a giant legal loophole to bring the entire family per Martinez. Chain immigration; the parent is direct family of DACA child, then the parent claims their sisters, brothers, and parents as direct relatives, then it explodes from there as everyone starts claiming direct relatives from one DACA kid

>muh children
zero sympathy

You must’ve got the wrong post...I had said nothing to or about you being abroad. I was in Czech not too long ago myself

>I'm not sure why being shit out on American soil gives you the right to be a drain on society.
fucking something we can agree on. so can we get rid of all the anchor babies too then?

Nobody gets a nation for free. You build them and you then have to stop others taking them from you, or you lose them.
We protect our nations by expelling invaders and non-nationals, no matter if their tactics or overt or stealthy.

NA's should have gotten their shit together. Stopped warring among each other and formed their own union of tribes.
You have no right to anything. You've even failed to do anything with your new-found Casino-based wealth except enrich a few families.
Maybe you should deal with your own "ethnic state" problems, before you lose them too.
Because we're giving you fuck all else after this huge multiculturalism mistake we made.