Does anyone else feel like the ONLY reason whites and Asians are more advanced than brown people is simply because our conditions sped up the process of creating civilization?
I think that the Aztec empire is evidence of this. The Aztecs were basically living in the Egyptian era during the 1400s and if we had never founded America they would probably organically grow themselves and advance until they discovered Europe.
Same could be said about Africa. Africa today is what Europe looked like for a very very long time. Just look at how many people on here make fun of how vikings used to live. People say it's pathetic how little Africa has advanced in the past thousands of years but to be fair they simply are not ready for advanced civilization yet. Yes many African tribes today live in straw huts and have been for thousands of years. But any civilization has similar origins.
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>The Aztecs were basically living in the Egyptian era during the 1400s
Please don't think this, the Egyptians were way ahead of these people. The mesoamericans never even discovered bronze.
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baby's first reading of Guns Germs n Steel??
>never discovered the wheel
>somehow on par with egypt
>lived in straw hats and hunted with stone tipped spears
>somehow on par with marauders and warriors who pillaged a continent and conquered rich lands
It's not just climate, I think it's mostly about escaping the malthusian trap successfully, or being in contact with cultures that did.
Ok. The Aztec empire only existed for 400 years before the Spanish arrived. In that time frame the Egyptian empire would have only existed in it's Old Kingdom era
Ancient Egypt was around for a much longer time
still not even close to the egyptians, come on, they used wood and obsidian clubs
Peace was our curse.
People just surrundered or ran away
YO OP (Aztecs ARE/WERE Asians)
They actually did discoverer the wheel, children's toys with wheels have been found, they miraculously never got the idea to use it for main transport instead of sleighs.
oh right
true
that's even fucking worse
This.
>never discovered the wheel
They never had horses or comparable animals, which was their principal hindrance.
Our comparably harsher environment would be one of the reasons why only the strong and intelligent thrived.
It's hard to say something is the "ONLY" reason though since, to name a few reasons:
a) Nothing as complex as the diversity of human evolution could be explained by one thing alone.
b) Breeding paths would have been very different / unknown (did [ancestor] x race breed with unknown / ancient race z?)
I wouldn't say that anything other than a LARGE amount of time would force the African mudhut dwellers / Mayans to learn to navigate the oceans (for example). It's more to do with what the community NEEDS to do to survive than what it CAN do if given ample time.
>advance far slower
>we are on the same level
Huh..
I believe that Mesoamerican, and more so Incan civilisations were hindered by their conditions. The Incans were, in many aspects, uniquely developed compared to Eurasia.
The niggers, however, were hindered genetically (and still are)
Because after all, Africa was exposed to global advancements for a very long time, without actually picking up anything at all, and without forming civilisation of any scale likewise.
aztec and mayan civilization was molded by their geographical position. Hurricanes destroy society sporadically. Superstitions built up based on when society will be destroyed by next storm. Human sacrifice in order to prevent storms. Society built around human sacrifice.
all based on geography
Whether environment or not, African countries had very advanced sailing and ship building, Crossed the ocean came to america and colonizied, Never did make guns or cannons tho.
Aztecs had no reason to exploit the wheel, which locked them out of certain crucial discoveries that would have advanced them further. They also didn't have access to the vast wealth of the combined knowledge of Greece and Rome, which led to The Enlightenment in Europe. They were also woefully behind in seafaring, and rarely ventured past the rivers, and using boats to move trade goods. They simply didn't have the technology to map and navigate to reach Europe.
How much they didn't know was vast, compared to how much they did know, and they showed no signs of breakthroughs that would have led them much further, really.
And yes, that's how behind the Africans were. They didn't have access to the knowledge of Egypt, let alone the Greeks and Romans, Persians, and the rest.
Both cultures were geographically isolated from the centers of learning and the combined knowledge of mankind - but in that context, the Aztecs got pretty far, all things considered.
Eh, Africa had 'greatness' thousands of years ago with Zimbabwe and a few other tribes. Same as South America who had technologically advanced stuff thousands of years ago as well. Of course they couldn't develop on it and couldn't turn to others to seek innovation like Europe did. They were fine up to a point but Europe made people advance since if you didn't you would die.
Aztecs had a cool civilisation going on, no not on European/asian level but they had cities (some say, tenochtitlan was the most populous city in the world!) with big stone buildings, poetry, art, nobles, currency, etc. Im sure that they would, had they been left alone, start to use proper writing and metalworking etc later on.
Please dont compare the aztecs with Africa...
>All the ignorance.
Aztecs and Mayans killed their own children. Every cenote in the Yucatan is full of sacrificed kids.
Self genocide. The american Indian was not much better. Indians killed the earlier Clovis/Solutrean hunters and stole the land.
Whites were sailors sea merchants and fisherman. The ocean fed them highly brain enhancing foods and sailing tought them Science and navigation. The wheel was invented as a pully and block/tackle on a boat long before those sailors brought the wheel to the Med. Sailing and living on the Ocean for 30K years is what separated whites.
>sacrificing people
>civilization
wew
the only reason snowniggers ever became advanced is because the of romans and christianity.
Their writing was pretty extensive, considering what it was. They had a rich culture of music, art, language (poetry), religion, and they had vast trading networks up and down the peninsula, reaching into South America and up into North America and the native tribes up there. They were curious, and rich. They had an extensive merchant and noble class. They had schools of advanced learning, and new a lot about medicine and surgery. In their short time, they accomplished quite a bit, compared to the nothing that Sub-saharans did over eons.
Before the aztecs many civilizations born and died in america. None of them passed to the iron age.
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The "whites' didn't conquer the sea. Mediterraneans did, and they weren't "White" - the "whites' were living in caves when the Phoenicians were sailing the oceans.
Fuck you jared.
Explain when these Romans explored and civilized north America?
This is new to me.
The reason Native Americans never got as advanced as Eurasians is because Paleo-Indians caused their native horses and most of the other megafauna that they could have potentially domesticated to go extinct.
>Al Sharpton comes on Sup Forums
Clark-Unz selection is another factor that was present in Eurasia, but absent in places like Africa.
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There's evidence of cooper mines in Canada that are attributed to roman ages and european expeditions, but they could be north american tribes mines and everything we know about them may be wrong.
Our pre-incan/aztec cultures are full of metallurgy.
Name one thing amerindians didn't had besides gunpowder and the wheeled carts?
Except Blue eyes only showed up 7K years ago.
Iberian solutreans first colonized North America, no Med tools or history ever found.
The Old Copper Culture brought millions of pounds of copper to the Med, brought the wheel and the first writings/Laws in Rhodes. They may have traded for Lebanese cedars but they werent Lebanese.
All those caves were under the Glacial Maximum so we know you are full of shit. Everything around the Med was borrowed from the Pheonicians.
They were tan and blue eyed. The Med was Stone Age until the Pheonicians arrived. And they brought the legend of Atlantis which every religion borrowed.
Maya script is one of the funkiest things in human history IMO. That culture must have been absolutely trippy as fuck.
Looks like youve watched too much vikangs stoopid nigger.
Weren't they constantly spaced out on those poisonous frogs though?
More Bullshit.
The mega-fauna and the Clovis hunters died in the Younger Dryas event YD. The York meteor, YD Impact, Mazama eruption and Lake Agassiz Floods destroyed North America.
Fucking Indians were not the mammoth hunters and had nothing to do with it. Sorry but geology debunks that shit easily.
Michigan actually. The Old Copper culture had ten thousand slaves working the copper mines and imported it to S.Europe and the Med. Lake Agassiz included some of todays Canada. The Old Copper Culture and the old Moundbuilders were Europeans.
Tech ka tsiikbal maayat'aan wa? Chuch in kep gringo mactá.
Aztecs ate psychedelic cactus I believe
Well, life was rough i guess... can you picture taking a sh*t in ancient europe and a deer comes out from the bushes.
Think about taking a sh*t in mesoamerica and big puma comes from the bushes.
Plus, there was not horses or any animal that could fit for helping in carring.
And no need to explore using the seas as mediterranians, so there was not to much cultural/trade exchange.
Also time line. Till you get the americas and time of fundation of the culture. Aztec civilization was 200 years old when conquered.
And I must say war style.
More war experince in europe and the most common goal was conquer by killing.
For aztec goal in war was, get tribute for their onlyone city, and take captives. Aztec weapons were designen to wound but not kill, because captives was used for sacrifaces in order to keep cosmic balance.
They have european like DNA, there's no evidence of their blood ever touching european grounds.
Snowniggers are germanics and scandis, you sperg.
Iron/Steel
Horses
Boats
Compasses
Glass
Technology like gears, pulleys, chains
Optics
The combined wisdom and knowledge of the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, and Persians.
So it was the Incas who licked the hoppers? desu I thought Aztecs did both cacti and pepes.
I didnt say shot about blues eyes, or claim anything else that you're farting out of your mouth about.
Before the YD north America had mega fauna and clovis Iberian hunters.
The YD killed most everything in a 3 foot layer of volcanic ash.
After the YD small Asiatic animals and the archaic siberIndians moved into North America.
25K years ago another glaciation drove Europeans to the sea. It is impossible to live in Europe at that time.
Go fuck yourselves with cave men stories. Iberians have been navigating and sailing the Atlantic/ caribbean for at least 25K years we know of.
The Med was brown eyed homogenous Stone Age fuck wads until the Pheonicians arrived and changed it.
Thats why every early Med civilization is on the coast.
This is scientifically proven false. Africans no matter which environment they are born into always on average have lower iq’s then Asians whites and Jews. Basically the genes of Africans in some ways are less evolved because they did not have to evolve in order to survive.
>And no need to explore using the seas as mediterranians, so there was not to much cultural/trade exchange.
Don't generalize on that. Natives in the Northeast and Maritimes were seafaring, same with on the Pacific coast of South America and the Taino/Arawak peoples in the Caribbean.
>Aztec civilization was 200 years old when conquered.
Very new and much hated by everyone around them.
Windover Bog, Meadowcroft, Topper, cactus hill, mammoth Spring, Miller cave , Sandia, clovis, lovelock, Spirit cave.
Lots of forensic skull studies and DNA .
The oldest DNA on North America is Iberian.
The oldest skulls Europoid, the oldest tools also europoid.
The Beringia theory was debunked and the Solutrean theory gains more evidence every month.
Even the Smithsonian supports the Solutrean theory now.
Throwing in some Spanish, I see.
>Iron/Steel
They had iron
>Horses
You don't have llamas
>Boats
They had boats
>Compasses
Fair enough
>Glass
Obsidian it's glass.
>Technology like gears, pulleys, chains
All of that and probably moar
>Optics
They had astronomy
>The combined wisdom and knowledge of the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, and Persians.
Father Crespi found some interesting stuff, that could mean that they had some sort of contact with the pre-roman world.
FROGS ARE THE MESSENGERS OF CHAOS!!
The taino and Archaic Indians were never seafarers and the oldest taino sites are less than 3K years old.
Iberians were sailing for nearly 30K years, crossed the Atlantic and had a huge copper trade system.
But they weren't Indians.
You call it iberian but you could also call the R1B1 groups in africa europeans by that measure, not because a marker it's found in europeans means they are europeans, those markers are found all over the globe.
My personal belief is that Africans, sub saharan, should have died out a long time ago, that they're an early version of modern man, that didn't get whatever happened to mankind in Mesopotamia - neural programming, evolution of better brains, whatever. Something happened to the tribes that went east, because when they came back to Egypt, they started one of the greatest civilizations on the planet in the early days.
They're just different than the rest of us. Dumber, less intelligent, incapable of advanced thought, incapable of conception of things like "Justice", "responsibility", "not yours".
Every society, where they were mingled, the only success stories were half-breeds who favored the non-African side of their genetics. South America, the Caribbean, Europe, North America, anywhere they were allowed to intermingle, the darker they are, the less compatible with modern civilization they are.
Something happened in Mesopotamia. Something important, because the Sub Saharans didn't get it. And, it's not cultural, because it's lack is still evident in modern blacks.
>Don't generalize on that. Natives in the Northeast and Maritimes were seafaring, same with on the Pacific coast of South America and the Taino/Arawak peoples in the Caribbean.
yep but not to much to see as the many cultures that you can find in the mediterrian, also is safer to seal in coast than open sea.
Brits could have acces to sea but not that easy exchange, so they have to wait rome to get "recivilized".
>Iron/Steel
They had iron
Not like Europe did. It was rare, and not used widely.
>Horses
You don't have llamas
Llamas are not beasts of burden like horses are. Lllamas can't carry a man into battle, haul barges and large amounts of weight for hundreds of miles. They used llamas for their wool, and meat.
>Boats
They had boats
Not ocean going. They could barely navigate their own rivers. The Pacific Islanders had more advanced sea technology than the Aztecs did.
>Compasses
Fair enough
>Glass
Obsidian it's glass.
It's volcanic glass, made in a volcano. It's not made, it's not clear, and optics means things like telescopes, spyglasses, and sextents.
>Technology like gears, pulleys, chains
All of that and probably moar
>Optics
They had astronomy
Not the same thing.
>The combined wisdom and knowledge of the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, and Persians.
Father Crespi found some interesting stuff, that could mean that they had some sort of contact with the pre-roman world.
Not access to the combined wisdom and knowledge. Nobody traveled to SA with the combined knowledge of the Greeks, Romans, Persians, and Europeans. You're just talking straight out of your ass if you think what he found, allegedly, is even remotely the same thing.
Skulls.
Show pictures of these pre YD Indian skulls I dare you.
I could list dozens of Europoid skulls, but you cant find one SiberIndian Pre YD skull.
You can write L1b mt b x haplo , but the research is only based on skulls, since thats all we have.
>Basically the genes of Africans in some ways are less evolved because they did not have to evolve in order to survive.
Evidence is that modern Bantu evolved by breeding with an unknown hominid species. This should be more troubling than just "blacks r dumb".
This people didn't even discovered south africa until the 15th century, while there was amerindians in all of the americas since before the younger dryads.
It's not about who had who when, cause europeans don't resist that comparison either, if they had it, mean they discovered it and were capable of.
Mayan astronomy was so advanced that they must have required some sort of optical research in order to make the calculations they did, one thing it's not finding the material evidence.
Most of mayan astronomical achivments are due to a very robust understanding of mathematics, not so much their observations.
before the Younger Dryas there were no neomongloids or Archaic Indians just Clovis and the clovis were Iberians started the East Coast not Alaska, not Canada and not the West coast.
basic math.
you can smoke the pepe peepee and drink the cactus tea all in mexico
Mayas used a vigesimal numeral system that is more useful when you factorize so big astronomical equations became easier. They also had the concept of zero before many civs.
OK, what about the Romans did they not have the concept of zero? They after all had an army of citizens that was 3,6million with their 600 strong senate.
>using wheels
>in a jungle
>with no beast of burden
are you retarded?
Mayans were in the Roman era
I can't find a single skull picture, but genetic studies in earlier natives, put them in the D haplogroup making them closely related to the Ainus.
There is remains older than that, including Puebla dated at 35k.
They had horses at some point, they also hunted mastodons.
How do you write 0 in roman, friendo?
You don't, roman numeral system is not positional, you invent a new numeral when a number gets too big to represent with the ones you have, which is greatly limiting for astronomically sized calculations.
It's why Europeans switched to the hindu numeral system (i.e the one we use today) in the guise of being the arabic numeral system in the 15th century.
You know why most places were conquered by the Europeans with very little effort? It was run so bad by those already in charge. They usually abused the shit out of a large group of natives who were more than happy to kill the current rulers.
Seriously the world was way fucking worse for most natives before the white man.
>They after all had an army of citizens that was 3,6million with their 600 strong senate.
Yeah.. a nobody is talking about that. No topic ralation. (fallacy)
The Mayans and Aztecs borrowed their whole system from an earlier uto Aztecian system.
But they killed all their children and threw them in cenote sink holes for fun.
They deserved to fail and get conquered .
Killing kids is bad Joojoo.
Just explain why all the ancient depictions of the early Uto Aztecs have beards and later Archaic Indians dont have beards?
Sure huge droves of Asians took over North America, they always do- but that doesnt prove they were first, and doesnt prove they invented any of the earliest civilizations on North America.
The First Civilization in the caribbean were not the Taino either.
Asians just take over everything.
BTW i was in the understud that everybody knows that there's not 0 in roman numbers... Closest thing became from petra (arab numbers)
>Goal moving to injuns were bad hombres.
The Inca road system was a system of trade that benefited the entire andean region, just like the Roman roads did for europe.
Nope.
The pre YD skulls are all Europoid.
Even Penon Woman had Europoid features.
Find a skull older than Spirit Cave skull, lovelock, or even the First moundbuilders that is a neoMongloid. You cant.
Yep but its new history in the history world.
Cinmar is 23000 years old.
Meadowcroft is 19K years old.
Topper and Cactus hill?
Just find a site older than Cinmar that is legit?
You can't.
The entirety of human history can be summed up as humans creating civilization, attracting animals, being too nice to animals and giving them rights, animals destroy society, and the humans retreat.
See: the Clovis (extinct), Indus river valley then the Aryans (extinct) then Egypt then Anatolia then the Mediterraneans (extinct) then the Iberians, now the Western Europeans.
Only once the monkeys have pushed us humans to Extinction will this suffering end.
We have already lost.
True that the later Archaic Indians had round Mongloid skulls.
But the old Moundbuilders were Europoids too.
these sites are 10K years older than the aztecs.
Southern natives have D and C haplogroups, just like the people deep in the amazon.
Meanwhile Andean, Aztec/Mayan/Mohica have A and B haplogroups.
According to your theory this natives walked all the way from Bering, (after the other migrations already happened), never mixed and lived in the most extreme part of the continent isolated for no reason.
>can you picture taking a sh*t in ancient europe and a deer comes out from the bushes
Are you trying to claim that there were no dangerous animals in Europe during the same period? Up until a few hundred years ago even Britain still had wolves and I'm not sure when the Lynxes and wild Boars died off/were hunted to extinction. I say "even Britain" because the most dangerous native animal we have today is the bumblebee, but to claim that the most dangerous animal in Europe has only ever been Bambi is fucking absurd.
Then you move onto ludicrous claims like war was only used for memes and they didn't actually want to kill people, they just wanted them for sacrifices. I've saw some stupid claims on this website, but this must be one of the most fucking retarded. Every war has deaths and every war has prisoners who survive. Just because you were so barbaric that you sacrificed the ones who survived that doesn't mean that was the whole purpose of the war. I literally cannot believe people this fucking stupid, who use this much mental gymnastics for why they're inferior, somehow manage to navigate this site. Is your surname Rodriguez, Garcia or Sanchez? You know those Jew names that came from Spain because you're definitely going overboard on Jew logic.
There's also something called phenotypical plasticity, that happens if a group it's isolated for a large period of time, they can have variable features, just like modern europoids and mongoloids don't look exactly like capoids.
But go ahead phrenology is the future after all.
This triggers me. Peace? The Incas were hated and that's why their own conquered people betrayed them.
Mount Mazama blew up, choked the skies the ash melted the glaciers and North America died.
The North American mega fauna and the Clovis/Sandia hunters all died.
Nature killed them, they are buried in the YD ash layer.
Indians never even hunted the mega fauna, let alone made them extinct.
The camel was domesticated in New Mexico/Colorado area 17K years ago. Then they moved North to Alaska and crossed into Siberia. Then across all Asia.
Camelopse was a snow animal not a desert animal and they are from north America. The bactrian crossed 40K years ago, the Camelopse about 12K years ago.
Hmmm. no camels in South America.
Paleontology even disproves this shit.
Geology, Anthropology and Archaeology all support the Solutrean Theory.
Iberia was before Siberia. It is obvious.
>Seriously the world was way fucking worse for most natives before the white man.
Are you sure? Most of 90% of population died because sickness as viruela and pest... When europias were still shiting on their aquifers aztects already had a sanation system to keep wather clean and take a shower daily. So thats why their inmmune system couldn take those sickness that became from an unhealthy lifestyle.
Not agaist to europeans btw, if wasen't but them Mexicans couldnt exist, but we have to recognize the facts about good a bad thing from this cultural crash.
Try again.
How dare you compare the Vikings to literal niggers?
There's plenty of reasons to hate your rulers in time of peace, this it's one of our issues, people simplifies our civilization because of their own prejudices.
Yes there is evidence for four funding groups in the americas, including "european" DNA.
BUT, there's also evidence for siberian migration into europe previous to the migration into the americas, therefore what you call european DNA it's actually paleo-siberian.
That also doesn't explains why they have a haplogroup unique to east asians.
Playing a game of Civilization 4 thru 6(whatever your favorite is) makes this pretty clear. Mesoamericans were a third tier player/AI that got a mediocre starting area and made some wild choices on the tech tree hoping for an event or genius to trigger for an advantage. It never came and they got outclassed by a military player with Navigation.
Aztecs killed their kids and threw them in cenotes.
Then died of typhus. Hardly sanitary.
In France/Germany they already had flutes and music 40K years ago.
The Paleo alphabet started in those caves. 30, 000 years before Aztecs even arrived .
Aztecs, Mayan, Indians are just Asians.
killing kids is bad, it's good the Aztecs failed.
Except for that Ice Age and Glacial Maximum that easily debunk that.
You cant accept Anthropology without Geology.
>Africa today is what Europe looked like for a very very long time.
not at all, they're really quite different both topographically and demographically.
you're just too much of a brainlet to actually notice the significant differences, so you rely on heuristics based on fake memes you picked up in school.
>whites and Asians
Asia has been pretty big for a long time kid. Are you referring to India?
No. Aztecs need the sanitation to rinse the blood of human sacrifice from the cities center square. And Europeans had sanitation from 200bc Aztecs were not even close to being a collected people then.
The reason 90% of the population died from disease was not you magical sanitation system made you weak it was your lack animal domestication and lack of trade. The diseases that wiped out the Indians out were not sanitation issues it was communal diseases. The fact that Indians on had three different immune system patterns to the European 26(23) made it worse.
The Aztecs were hands down worse than the Spaniards. That is why everyone of their allies turned on them.
prove it faggot, you can't
I think the whole didnt invent the wheel thing is a misconception. Wheels are not practical in all environment. Its like blaming Africans for not inventing ice blades.
>Aztecs killed their kids and threw them in cenotes.
>Aztecs, Mayan, Indians are just Asians.
killing kids is bad, it's good the Aztecs failed
So what happened in sparta was something different?
BTW name surce of aztecs killing kids on the cenotes, didn't know about that.
Besides, not the whole continent had a war culture as aztecs, most of them were very paceful.
>Then died of typhus. Hardly sanitary.
Europian sickness not "gods punishment"
>In France/Germany they already had flutes and music 40K years ago.
The Paleo alphabet started in those caves. 30, 000 years before Aztecs even arrived.
No related to the topic but also aztecs had their music and universities (with 200 years of existence)
Is not a competition about how god was that conquest of the americas happened. But to say the real conditions of it and aftermath.
There's also evidence of them in asia minor, so they could have just followed the indo-aryan migrations like everyone else.