Devs Jan 18 >Damascus warns it may shoot down Turkish planes attacking Kurds within Syrian borders >Idlib:No IS in Sinjar. SAA offensive limited due to wind storm. IS advances against HTS >S Aleppo:SAA liberates Qaytil& Umm Salasil en-route to Abu Duhur airport >Yarmouk Camp:IS attacks& advances against HTS in Haifa Street >Kurdish forces come under attack by Turkish troops in Afrin & Manbij >“Afrin will be your graveyard Erdogan” – Thousands protest the Turkey’s aggression in N Syria >TFSA prepare for offensive against Kurds in N Syria >DeZ:IS attempts to break SAA lines with a car bomb. SAA stopped it >RU DM meets Turkish generals to discuss SY ahead of peace talks >E Ghouta:4thArmoured Division gears up for an upcoming offensive to liberate Harasta district >Washington in denial:Tillerson says US has no plans to form syria border force >Tillerson:US to keep military presence in syria to remove Assad from power >Cavusoglu:Turkey will coordinate military operation in Afrin with Iran and Russia >Turkey demands Syrian Army halt all operations in Idlib >British AF attacks ISIS drone teams during SDF operations in DeZ gov >Yemen claims ballistic missiles hit two key targets in southern Saudi Arabia
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Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be hailed *this post was sponsored by JIDF*
Gavin Wright
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Aaron Fisher
ya bashar, israel will cease to exist
Noah Hernandez
lol this is pointless.
syria wouldn't exist unless russia bailed them out. assad is only winning back a country he destroyed. syrians hate him and he'll probably get assassinated. The US is still helping out the SDF, which will produce a stalemate in Raqqa.
Michael Lee
skye?
Asher Phillips
Why is Turkey so based?
Evan Walker
They're out, Lavrov agreed to it with his Turkish counter-part. It's possible, it would've been a huge fuck you to NATO, but in all honesty NATO betrayed Turkey, at least according to Erdogan and he's the one pulling the strings.
Alexander Sullivan
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Sebastian Martin
Suddenly no more shia larp pole
Joseph Sullivan
>jidf_ sample_#1488_6000000
Blake Lewis
every american that remains in the middle east will be killed, in time.
mashallah
Isaiah Fisher
STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM. YOU VIOLATED THE LAW. F FOR RESPECT OR BEAR THE CONSEQUENCES.
Gavin Cooper
Inshallah you idiot Agreed nevertheless, death to terrorism
Benjamin Cruz
you get paid for this?
Chase Sanchez
What's the deal with Azerbaijan are they going to get closer with Iran and/or Turkey in the post Syria regional order?
Eli King
Damn, your folder is endless
Zachary Cox
>But the balance has been upset. US is trying to force a Kurdish proxy along 95% of their southern border, which would give strength to the fifth column inside Turkey. In fact, the US likely already has a plan in place to balkanize Turkey and break the SW away. Not really. Yes the US does currently piss them off, but it's not too threatening or potential to either make them leave NATO or have us kick them. Relations are still pretty chill and right now, Erdogan is just exploiting both sides for his own gain. The only way NATO can make things worse than now and outright implode their relationship is if they double down on SDF's stupidity and let them keep doing stupid shit to everyone around them. My scenario is that one day the SDF will end up going a bridge too far with Roaches and cause an incident that will make the Turks go apeshit butthurt. At that point the situation could spiral out of a control. >He does if the West is creating an existential threat to his nation. Not for now, but if they keep building up the Kurds, you're going to see some serious shit >Wrong. There already is a de-facto Kurdish state on Turkish borders. Yes but Turkey has somewhat been containing it >Clearly all other diplomatic solutions have failed. Not yet. Unless NATO does something really stupid, Turks will still be in that Racketeering Mafia and exploit it
Brody Bell
Then it was a Turkey stick as in the long run YPG is opposed to Russian interests in there. As for the Turkey-NATO dispute, if they even motioned towards something like going independent or getting into talks with Russians on Bosphorus, one of two things will happen: Turkey will become the richest and best equipped KARA BOGA around. Or: Turkey gets torn apart by a devastating civil war with a friendly and progressive government announcing itself in Istanbul.
Christian Young
They are close as fuck to Turkey. They also want to be closer to Russia and Iran. However, they will only do so if Turkey gives them permission.
Josiah Watson
>Christian >defending a Druze >who was fighting for Muslims kys fake crusader.
Cooper Walker
They're approximately 90% Shia yet they keep siding with Turkey instead of Iran. Someone explain this
Ethan Perez
CJTF–OIR has no troops in Afrin. They will condemn a Turkish invasion, but do nothing about it. America has no unified strategy in Syria. Different factions in the American foreign policy establishment have different visions for the middle east and are constantly feuding.
Jace Diaz
>Kurdish forces come under attack by Turkish troops in Afrin & Manbij
this is literally fake news
they're fighting with ES, TAF hasn't attacked them directly yet beyond shelling except unconfirmed reports from Cizire about a short incursion
Christian Smith
Soviet Azeris are not very religious.
Leo Green
New Map =======+
this one is population density, i.e. people per area, with the area being derived from the area of the sub governorate. The area figures are in sq decimal degrees or some shit, which means i must make fix. but for now it stands alongside the earlier map which showed actual population count per sub-governorate without any regard to the size of the sub-governorate.
I have already produced major population ceters, overlain on the sub-gov pop count map.
this should give you a feel for the distribution of people, the density of the demographic and the distribution of major centres in regard to population.
I am going to do one more, which will show the number of villages per sub governorate - e.g. where there are plenty villages, no major centres and a low population, is more rural
Connor Williams
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Nathan Ortiz
Isn't that map a little pointless considering there are more than 8 million IDPs?
Jose Stewart
Would you dump all of these somewhere after you're done making them ?
Xavier Rogers
>/sg >Informoation
Benjamin Fisher
Yeah but Turks are also posturing towards Manbij and allegedly shelled shit in the far east.
Matthew Collins
Agreed, touching the Bosphorus is completely out of the question. >Then it was a Turkey stick as in the long run YPG is opposed to Russian interests in there. Also a fair note, yes. Imagine how much Lavroving did it take to get the MPs open a reconcilation center within YPG territory and keep talking about how to deal with the situation at the same time with Turks.
Christian Hill
Never going to happen, they won’t risk waking maddog mattis. Their ops will only be limited to Afrin although I doubt they’ll do anything about Afrin either.
Colton Scott
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It's going to be direct Turkish/FSA control
Also despite Turkey's posturing, they dont seem to be looking to break off with NATO and the west. They are lookingt instead to toe the line and take what they can while still procuring military gear and tech that they are using to produce domestic arms.
They lose nato, they lose a decade of work based on licensing, and have to start at square one with the Russians to salvage their programs. Rheinmetal is already spooking out on tooling and electronics for the Atlay, plus engines, and they rekt any chance of getting things like chobham armor, non gimped Aim 120s etc.
For now, they will just play both sides, but Erdo is a fucking idiot and might go too far.
Caleb Collins
Azeris will do whatever Turkey will tell them to. Because they are turks. same language.
Eli Lewis
Yeah, that's just talk. I mean Afrin could be also just talk again, but they could pull Afrin off without too high diplomatic cost. Manbij would not be worth it and could lead to a serious escalation with American troops.
Christopher Gray
>they won’t risk waking maddog mattis lol, he's a senile retard who thinks the Astana talks are a failure. If he keeps doing retarded shit with the Kurds, he will make Watermelon Seller taunt them in Manbij
Adam Ward
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Justin Sullivan
The real white and based one is fighting in Syria now
Jacob Clark
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Jaxon Wilson
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Gabriel Martin
>who thinks the Astana talks are a failure. They are a failure because they failed to include and listen to all the parties. There will never be a peaceful resolution to the syrian conflict without including all the parties in the region. Including our allies. Russia Iran and Assad cannot call the shots anymore, Obama isn't president.
Liam Fisher
Based
Kayden Collins
Is trump playing 9000'd chess with sending more troops to northern syria?
Dominic Morales
And if shit actually hits the fan then what? Burgers shoot back? Burgers put Marines in every SDF unit? If they sanction Turkey then EU will pay that bill.
Asher Sullivan
fucking pedro
Kevin Rivera
It's necessary because we want to prevent the reformation of ISIS, helping the SDF solidify and stabilize the region is our number one priority. Helping rebuild their country is a great move.
Liam Evans
>They are a failure because they failed to include and listen to all the parties. There will never be a peaceful resolution to the syrian conflict without including all the parties in the region. Including our allies. Russia Iran and Assad cannot call the shots anymore, Obama isn't president.
Camden Butler
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Adrian Kelly
Maybe those parties should stop boycotting them then. They were invited. And so was US.
Jack Peterson
pedro is scum
Lincoln Lopez
>It's necessary because we want to prevent the reformation of ISIS, helping the SDF solidify and stabilize the region is our number one priority. plz be bait
Jeremiah Edwards
Negotiating with Iran and Assad really isn't a negotiation. They need to relinquish their control in that region and it itself stabilize. It's pretty obvious what Iran and Assad would want and Iran and Assad have both proven to be untrustworthy when it comes to deals and agreements. (Assad with the chem weapons disarmament and Iran with the missile program violations)
Parker Carter
Start by not enrolling ex-ISIS into the allegedly inexistant border force then? Finish taking them out in the east maybe?
Tyler Bennett
Trump promised to stop ISIS, he has promised this since the campaign and helping the SDF keep ISIS out of the country is a good move. Please don't say that its a bad idea because its the most sound foreign policy we've had in a decade
Julian Flores
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Hunter Rodriguez
Probably neither.
We are at a point where our reasons for needing the strait make little sense. Turkey can go alone and avoid civil war so long as they dont close the strait to US ships, and don't go with Russia, thus making the bosporus important again. Turkeys job in NATO was the sacrificial lamb as a first strike against the black sea fleet, and easy blocking as a contingency if it failed. Without the nuclear deterrent and basing, plus Latakia, Turkey really doesnt have a purpose right now, but German arms industries are making a fortune building their domestic arms industry along with refitting and repairing their older shit. No NATO means no licensing.
So far it's mutually beneficial, and I doubt anyone wants that to end, despite Erdo being tsundere to us. He is dangerously close to fucking it up and needs to get the tooling before he postures like this.
James Butler
Death to terrorist invaders, tfu
Colton Ortiz
>Start by not enrolling ex-ISIS into the allegedly inexistant border force then? lol what? first ive heard about that
Christian Carter
I-i-it's j-j-just 84d asteroid belt artificial gravity caroom biliards he's playing, t-t-trust me, h-hes deffinetly n-not a j-jewish p-pupet who pays for israels p-political goals with american b-b-blood
Colton Campbell
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Ryder Ramirez
No to international terrorism!
Aiden Peterson
Thats because you know jack shit about syrian confict. Your oppinions should be disgarded on this alone
Cooper White
>So far it's mutually beneficial, and I doubt anyone wants that to end, despite Erdo being tsundere to us. He is dangerously close to fucking it up and needs to get the tooling before he postures like this. He is dangerously close to fucking it up because we're having the ingenious idea to piss him off
Cameron Barnes
He's just doing what's practical and pragmatic in the current region to protect the US and our interests. Syria has literally nothing to do with Israel and this is the dumbest meme ive ever seen.
Colton Carter
>Syria has literally nothing to do with Israel
Joseph Jenkins
I'm serious if you have proof to back up the claims of the US hiring ISIS to gaurd SDF borders I'd be glad to hear it.
Caleb Williams
>invasions and government toppling are pragmatic I'm sure he's a regular just trying to get a kick from upsetting us.
Liam Brown
LMFAO they died for israel
Cooper Thomas
So are the Turks now /ourguys/? I don't get it.
Jason Martinez
Everyone's happy, except the dead nigger lmao
Brandon Morgan
Turks just doesn't want kurds
Bentley Collins
Trump hasn't invaded anyone or toppled any governments.
Mason Foster
How stable was Iraq after Saddam was deposed? How stable is Lybia now? And what chemical weapons? Syria is officially free of that shit. OPCW was welcome to inspect the sites that allegedly still store and make those, but didn't. Same with Iranian missile program. Their nuclear compliance is guaranteed and acknowledged by literally everyone except for US and Israel. So what's the issue?
Jason King
This is proof, undeniable proof the left is retarded in the classical sense. Unable to think. >Hair advert >No hair
John Foster
SDF is US army with kurds in the pictures. ISIS to a lesser extent until based Iran and Tigers got it. Tillerson said today US goal is still to remove Assad.
Ethan Davis
Or Armenians... Or infidels... or Greeks... I'm sure I'm missing like 50 other groups.
Nicholas Myers
>Syria is officially free of that shit. Except that Assad has used them since he declared himself chem weapons free. Did you forget the wakeup call Trump sent him already?
Lybia wasn't trumps fault
Caleb Hughes
So if they blow out the Kurds will they also leave Assad alone? They keep flip flopping and I haven't been following their diplomacy very well.
Xavier Perry
>syria has nothing to do with israel >except being their enemy >except being extreamy pissed at them because of golan >except being the only thing that could prevent iran having a road straight to their borders >its the only logicall thing >we're gonna stay to stabilise the country >by supporting various terrorist groups that destabilise it >we're gonna stabilise the region >by creating a terrorist army on turky's border, that sure wont piss them off >we're gonna stay to defeat isis >exept we havent done jack shit to kill them ever since we got their omar oilfields >we came to crush isis >by letting them dessert and become part of sdf I could go on like this forever you know, but you mutts arent worth responding to Im a fool for even replaying
Ethan Jackson
>So if they blow out the Kurds will they also leave Assad alone? i don't think so, the syrian gov consider the attacks an aggresion
Jaxson Diaz
>new hair campaign
Wyatt Nelson
>So if they blow out the Kurds will they also leave Assad alone? of course not, this situation has been turned into a pissing contest. Such is Turkish foreign policy under akp.
William Lewis
Assad will be removed politically, this is inevitable and would have happened without Trump.
Alexander Butler
>except asad used them since....
Grayson Cooper
pointless how? it doesn't show where the people are now. this is correct. however, it gives as good a view of the country as it was prior to the conflict. therefore it provides a good view of where people were, and as such it shows what historical, present and other claims there might be. the law states that people will be resettled where they came from. this is probably not true, however, the majority of the population is still in syria, and the majority will probably want to go home.
From the three views that I have created you can see that the north is relatively undeveloped, for instance raju, is a medium density populated sub-governorate with 50 to 60 villages. None of these is larger than 25k in population size - i.e. it is a sub-governorate with no major administrative infrastructure and no major population centres. it's just a mass of tiny villages.
others like tadmour have populations centred in one or two medium sized towns - same for deir ( a one town subgov)
whether the people are there or not, the infrastructure remains as it does in deir.
you can also draw other conclusions, with a few exceptions the majority of the rebllion happened in low density, low population zones. many of those that did rebel initially have gone back to government hands.
so not completely pointless, in fact the opposite.
however it's a matter of purpose - and depending on the purpose you would want other data.
Which purposes do you have in mind, and what data would you suggest i use to provide a map for it?
Eli Harris
>Im a fool for even replaying It's good to echo opinions so people who don't follow the war all day every day can get info on what's going on.
Liam Hughes
Yes.
There will be a limited conflict taking 24 hours, 3 of which are shooting, where the US troops get full support, Turkey gets their expeditionary forces and Air superiority fucked up, and then a ceasefire with lots of talking. No more than 40 casualties combined US and Turkey before it all stops, but Turkey will lose a bunch of aircraft.
It ends up being status quo antebellum and a waste of everybody's time. Turkey wont even leave NATO or continue the assault because of what i said before.
Theres a reason they are shelling things and not bombing them right now, and why they won't go near Afrin proper with artillery as of yet.
Robert Perez
i know, i saw that. will fix, have to fix the projection anyway, so i'll do that later. there are no logo's on these versions either.
Jose Brooks
Trump, Mattis and Tillerson have all confirmed that those chemical weapons were used.
I'm still waiting on proof that Trump is hiring ISIS to guard the border, but I doubt you fags will ever provide that will you?
Ryan Richardson
>Assad will be removed politically, this is inevitable and would have happened without Trump. Assad will not be removed and will be voted president again in internationally certified elections. US war against Assad and now impotent political attempts at toppling will not succeed. Begone, Great Satan! And take your government toppling out of Syria and Iran. Start a civil war back at home.
Ryder Sullivan
@157198430 Literally who
Anthony Jackson
>Assad will not be removed and will be voted president again in internationally certified elections. you're not this deluded are you?
Aiden Smith
>Trump, Mattis and Tillerson have all confirmed that those chemical weapons were used. They're neither expects nor a part of an international organization who's job is to prove it. They're lying to continue their invasion of Syria.
Aiden Rivera
Click the link dipshit, guess what the OPCW is?
Jayden Wright
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Liam Mitchell
yeah and CIA confirmed Iraq had WMDs some 15 years ago. how did that turn out?
Dylan White
A terrorist organization?
Ian Butler
You have no idea how the war skyrocketed Assad's popularity. If they wanted to replace him before the war, they don't want to do so now.
No, I'm doing other things, some other user will do that. I'm just responding to your absurd statement that politicians said something and therefore it's true.
