I see this ideology praised on this board quite a bit and I was hoping we can talk about its merits and shortcomings. Why do you like it? How did it help Germany? And how can one explain or justify some of the contradictions?
Let's talk about National Socialism
Joseph Hernandez
Grayson Reyes
for it: Removes all foreign influences from the people.
Problem with it: The foreign interest has their hands up the asses of the other governments, and they make war upon you.
Julian Rogers
>Brought Germany economic prosperity
>Brought certain traditions that still are followed today such as the Olympic torch bearer
>Worked to eliminate the cripples
>Established research into many new technologies
>Attempted to wipe out the Jews.
What problems were there?
Austin Anderson
>>Brought Germany economic prosperity
It didn't really, the economy stabilized due to Hitler's mad dash for war and mass conscription.
Luxury food items went down in the nazi period from the weimar period, pic related
Mason Howard
Anthony Brown
but thats a problem for every ideology that stands up for their country
Colton Martinez
>but thats a problem for every ideology that stands up for their country
Not necessarily, the Nazis were needlessly aggressive borderline imperialist
Hunter Harris
Yeah a kike driven war will bring everything other than munitions down.
Xavier Lewis
Lol, kill yourself retard.
Lucas Stewart
Nice argument
Noah Nelson
how? they even cede prussian territories to france and italy to prevent war, it wasnt until the danzig massacre that germany went into war
Sebastian Gomez
>Not necessarily, the Nazis were needlessly aggressive borderline imperialist
Hilter's Imperialistic goals were a meme created by the (((British))), who literally dicatated over a quarter of humanity at the time. Colonies everywhere - claims Germany - which didn't even rule over all of Germany - is the one trying to take over the world.
What kind of idiot believes that?!
Jayden Peterson
>how?
I think their conduct in Poland and much of their conquered territory left the civilians under the boot heel of the Nazis. Most countries weren't eager to receive the Nazis with flags and shit like some people would have you believe.
>it wasnt until the danzig massacre that germany went into war
There is no evidence of the Danzig Massacre. There were murders after the invasion however
Jose Martinez
>Between 1927 and 1937
hahahahah oh wow
Henry Jackson
>I think their conduct in Poland and much of their conquered territory left the civilians under the boot heel of the Nazis. Most countries >weren't eager to receive the Nazis with flags and shit like some people would have you believe
just like austria? where 99% of the people voted for the reunification?
>There is no evidence of the Danzig Massacre. There were murders after the invasion however
then what was the casus bellis that led germany to attack poland? because they were doing pretty good back being the first world power without any colonies
Josiah King
>just like austria?
No kinda like Yugoslavia or Belorussia where nearly a quarter of its civilians died fighting Nazis
>then what was the casus bellis that led germany to attack poland?
Here:
>The Gleiwitz incident was a covert Nazi German attack on the German radio station Sender Gleiwitz on the night of 31 August 1939 (today Gliwice, Poland), widely regarded as a deceitful false flag operation staged along with some two dozen similar German incidents on the eve of the invasion of Poland leading up to World War II in Europe.[1] The attackers had been posed as Polish nationals. Adolf Hitler invaded Poland the very next morning after a lengthy period of preparations. During his declaration of war, Hitler did not mention Gleiwitz incident by name, but have grouped all provocations staged by the SS as an alleged Polish assault on Germany.
Mason Powell
>No kinda like Yugoslavia or Belorussia where nearly a quarter of its civilians died fighting Nazis
im pretty sure many ukranians followed the germans in their retiring after stalingrad, and there were thousands of russian fighting for hitler (ROA Division), there were blacks and arabs fighting for their lands against the british imperialism, croat divisions, charle magne division that was the last division to defend hitlers bunker. There were A LOT of people fighting alongside germans.
>The Gleiwitz incident was a covert Nazi German attack on the German radio station Sender Gleiwitz on the night of 31 August 1939 (today Gliwice, Poland), widely regarded as a deceitful false flag operation staged along with some two dozen similar German incidents on the eve of the invasion of Poland leading up to World War II in Europe.[1] The attackers had been posed as Polish nationals. Adolf Hitler invaded Poland the very next morning after a lengthy period of preparations. During his declaration of war, Hitler did not mention Gleiwitz incident by name, but have grouped all provocations staged by the SS as an alleged Polish assault on Germany.
There were massacres atributted to germany commited by soviets like the katyn massacre, so that is not sure if it was a false flag or not
Sebastian Bailey
desu, the biggest appeal to me about natsoc is the focus on family. It's inarguable that the smallest possible definition of a society is two people (aka a family). Any govt that prioritizes the "individual" over the society is a govt that is prioritizing ITSELF over the people. A govt that aligns itself with the family is a govt that aligns itself with a stable future.
I just don't like authoritarianism. But that's changing specifically because of how retarded, irrational, and dangerous the left is. I don't want it to be this way, but these psychopaths are making me wish for a fashy usa. I mean, if they're going to call us fascists for defending ourselves, might as well show them how right they are.
David Garcia
Lol false flag. Kill yourself
Luke Watson
>There were A LOT of people fighting alongside germans.
Some Jews served but I don't think you'd argue that the Nazis weren't extremely prejudiced against them right? The canon fodder a military uses is hardly a good indication of their ideology
>There were massacres atributted to germany commited by soviets like the katyn massacre, so that is not sure if it was a false flag or not
Sure but there was evidence of those massacres. There is none for the Danzig Massacres
Jaxson Barnes
>I think their conduct in Poland and much of their conquered territory left the civilians under the boot heel of the Nazis. Most countries >weren't eager to receive the Nazis with flags and shit like some people would have you believe
Chase Clark
Nice argument
Landon James
so whats the evidence to incriminate that casus belli as a false flag made by germany? because there were no benefits for germany to start a war
Aiden Jones
You've already made this thread, so I'll post the replies, see pic as well
I am not a National Socialist, though it is the historical movement from which I draw the most inspiration.
>Why do you like it?
It is in opposition to capitalism for reasons that I agree with and it is in opposition to communism for reasons I agree with. It favors the elimination of the distinction between classes and it favors the improvement of a nation's people over all else.
>How did it help Germany?
It ended unemployment, it put the money changers and speculators in concentration camps, and allowed Germany to go from a debt-ridden cesspool to the most powerful nation in Europe in under a decade.
>And how can one explain or justify some of the contradictions?
I do not know of which contradictions you speak, can you elaborate?
questions you're about to ask are in pic related
>less consumption is bad
this is your mind on capitalism
National Socialist economics differs fundamentally from all other forms by refusing to treat consumption, and hence productivity, as valuable in itself.
Economic activity is remedial in character. Production is justified on the grounds that it provides unwanted but necessary material remedies to problems that if left unattended will prevent us from fulfilling the national purpose.
A National Socialist economy is not centrally planned, but centrally directed. Central planning involves taking demand for granted and then using the state to regulate supply. Central direction involves determining adequate supply and then using the state to limit demand. Hence a National Socialist economy should not be confused with a mixed-market economy, which is a fundamentally capitalist economy with state intervention in subservience to implicitly capitalist values.
Also
>adjusted for changes in purchasing-power
In other words all those numbers under the 1937 list have been altered because the working class became more wealthy. Really makes you think.
Hudson Campbell
Yea that video is nice and all but the casuality figures speak for themselves. You'd have to be pretty delusional to believe every country just allowed Germany to walk in and take over
Jayden Smith
>so whats the evidence to incriminate that casus belli as a false flag made by germany?
Probably the fact there is zero evidence to suggest a massacre even took place. You are more than welcome to post evidence for the Danzig Massacres
Kevin Ross
All the pics he uses are from AFTER the invasion
>jrbooksonline.com
>More than 58,000 Dead and Missing
Literal German propaganda. Zero evidence of massacres before invasion nor anywhere near the same scale after
Tyler Taylor
>All the pics he uses are from AFTER the invasion
so? obviously the polish officers wanted to erase every evidence, who would take those photos then?
>Literal German propaganda. Zero evidence of massacres before invasion nor anywhere near the same scale after
sames applies to the "false flag" that is told by allies, and the "death camps" told by soviets debunked over and over by scientific proof (leuchter report, or is it german propaganda also? because there are jews that denies death camps too)
Kayden Robinson
>so? obviously the polish officers wanted to erase every evidence, who would take those photos then?
He's using them as evidence of a massacre pre-invasion. Very dishonest
>leuchter report
This is a quote from James Roth one of the men who tested the Leuchter sample:
I don't think the Leuchter results have any meaning. There's nothing in any of our data that says those surfaces were exposed or not.
Even after I got off the stand, I didn't know where the samples came from. I didn't know which samples were which. And it was only at lunch that I found out, really, what the case involved.
Hindsight being 20/20, the test was not the correct one to have been used for the analysis.
He presented us with rock samples anywhere from the size of your thumb up to half the size of your fist. We broke them up with a hammer so that we could get a sub-sample; we placed it in a flask, add concentrated sulfuric acid. It undergoes a reaction that produces a red-colored solution. It is the intensity of this red color that we can relate with cyanide concentration.
You have to look at what happens to cyanide when it reacts with a wall. Where does it go? How far does it go? Cyanide is a surface reaction. It's probably not going to penetrate more than 10 microns. Human hair is 100 microns in diameter. Crush this sample up, I have just diluted that sample 10,000; 100,000 times. If you're going to go look for it, you're going to look on the surface only. There's no reason to go deep, because it's not going to be there. Which was the exposed surface? I didn't even have any idea. That's like analyzing paint on a wall by analyzing the timber that's behind it. If they go in with blinders on, they will see what they want to see. What was he really trying to do? What was he trying to prove?
Juan Evans
So basically the whole argument about National socialism has been diverted by (((posters))) into was the invasion of German territory captured by Poland was war booty justified.
Gotta say, the Jews played this thread.