Trying to change women doesn't work, so should men change themselves? But how...

Trying to change women doesn't work, so should men change themselves? But how, what can a men do to convince women to stop being degenerate? I think having standard is a start, don't stick it in just any women. Men also need to set themselves as example, can't tell women to not be sluts if men sleep around to begin with.

talk to them

>should men change themselves?

beyond measure

Trying to get women to fix themselves will never work, it goes against their nature. The problem pol has is that most of their solutions work for the male brain and women think differently. They have a more collective consciousness that follows the dominate voice in their lives, for most western women it's the media.
The only want to fix women on a societal level is to take over the media. On an individual level you need to introduce them into a group the manages them better like Christians.

Become the competent alpha chad and then women will follow

You know this to be true

Maybe uncompromising universal disapproval of whoring around is a place to start. Also men and women are not the same, but yeah men should not be man whores either. It fucks over the girls and is an abuse of power.

So men need to change ourselves, to create a different environment that influences women. If men say we don't want crazy feminist or sluts, women will stop being slutty crazy feminists. This also means that men need to be more selective though, casual hook up will just encourage promiscuity.

Doesn't work You say?
"Submit or GTFO"
leaves, 50% come back, changed meaning she loves You.
See? simple.

We always assume this is an initial issue with women in general, guys are just as bad if not worse for degenerate behaviour. Trust me, find a QT treat her right, be romantic, exciting and fun, and she'll fall in love with you. Most women I've dated have fallen hard like they're in a disney film, thats what a lot of them want but alot of them never get because the guys they encounter are usually degenerate, only looking to smash etc. Hell I even know a girl who is a solid 8/10 that can't even get a guy to take her out on a date, every guy she talks to just wants to skip to the good bit.

So its an issue for men and women, if men wanted to settle down they can easy find a woman to do it with, women aren't the issue not wanting to settle down. Like me for example, had a 9/10 qt started dating 16-19.. I got to college and then finished with her to move on to something I thought was better.

Sheria is the only way. Women must be kept on a leash otherwise they become vapid whores. The prophet said that women have less intelligence than men. They must stay virgin until marriage and if not. they should be shamed and exposed to the whole society as whores.

God damn if this isn't the saddest thread I've seen here in awhile. "WAHHH HOW I GET GIRL?!" It's literally as easy as "Don't be a mouth-breathing retard and take a shower every day." A minimum effort of going out and talking to a girl gets you one. Women are people who want to be friends with other people. It's. Not. Hard.

Stop being so autistic.

Fuark, seppo girls must be piss easy if that’s all it takes

giving a shit what women think

>I think having standard is a start, don't stick it in just any women.
This is actually a good idea, I think. I've noticed it with women who tease me. When I don't reciprocate or humor them, they double down, then double down again, and it just kinda escalates until it really doesn't look like teasing anymore.
It's the damnedest thing, but I suppose I'm the same way too. Maybe it's tied to self-esteem issues. The ultimate validation, convincing someone who common sense says is unobtainable to love you.

his sign is funny because weebs will never get the same respect as real men.

Don't be a part of the degenerate cycle.
Shame and reject women who act degenerate.
Don't act degenerate yourself.
Shame parents who dress and/or let their children act degenerate

Women follow the lead of men, that's their natural state.
Be a righteous man and you may have a chance to change women for good, maybe not for wifey purposes but you can make a slighly significant diference as a whole.

Some perspective: It took heebs three waves of feminism to make females the current Jewish Princesses they are today. There is no quick fix.

White girls are not as bad as many threads on this board make them out to be.

Take my Girlfriend. I was 26 and she was 18 when we met. Despite the age gap we got/get along great. She is great but the relationship is not with out its challenges.

Pros
>> Was a virgin when we met, and had only Kissed one guy before me.
>> wants to be a house wife.
>> Wants to have at least 3 kids.
>> Not political and trusts my judgment when it comes to these matters
>> works part time as a Librarian to help save for a house.
>> Cooks a meal for me every day (unless we go out to eat)
>> greets me at the door with a smile and a kiss everyday when I get home from work.
>> Contributes to the house hold financially (i pay rent and bills, she buys the food, I work and make more so this is ok)
>> stays in great shape
>> Has a great sense of humor. (she was one of those ugly duckling girls where she didn't grow into her body until very late, meaning she didn't get alot of attention from boys because of her looks growing up and thus actually developed a personality)
>> 8/10 QT 3.14
>> White with Blond hair and blue eyes.
>> very feminine
>> cleans the house everyday

Cons
>> can be very immature sometimes, but this will be less of an issue as she gets older.
>> Worries allot over small thing
>> doesn't exist.

Come on user's! If I can do it so can you!

Women fuck winners so start winning

>Not courting from 13 with her fathers consent

Women are pathetically easy to change once you learn to tune into the strange and bewildering world they inhabit.

how do you two meet?

If you read the whole post you'd know

It has never been a women problem, it is a men problem. We are the ones to lead, and most men right now are just as degenerate.

You can't change women,they are highly adaptable, and sense were the power is earlier than you.
Grab the power:political,economical etc. ,and they will change themselves .

in the library? How the fuck should I have known that without your reply? fucking cunt

I think the problem is too many people try and get others to swing from being 100% in the liberal mindset to 100% in the conservative mindset. That's too much all at once.

You have to just chip away their worldview, one piece at a time. And try to steer away from current events, make the conversation about things people don't discuss every day. If you make the conversations about things people don't hear about on tv, people won't as likely have a preprogrammed response ready to go in their heads. They'll be more inclined to actually think about what their views are. For example "why should an individual's rights be sacrificed for the collective's" or "where do you think rights come from" is a better redpilling conversation than "the MSM is out to get trump".

Cons
>> can be very immature sometimes, but this will be less of an issue as she gets older.
>> Worries allot over small thing
>> doesn't exist.
Doesn't exist....doesn't exist. you thick fucking cunt

>have to tap “Comment too long...” on mobile to see the last con
Nice touch, friendo.

>can be very immature sometimes, but this will be less of an issue as she gets older.
Lol. No it won't. I know young people and I know old people. Maturity has nothing to do with age. Older people are fucking immature.

>that last con
jej

At this point in time it doesnt matter things have gone to far to be able for anyone to change so just enjoy the chaos that is to come.

Prove with concrete examples

Provide map

if you ever want to convince someone of something you have to present it in a way that makes them believe it was their idea. an idea coming from an outside source will not propagate in them as quickly as an idea that comes from within. what we need to do is convince the feminists to eradicate the "over-sexualized males" in our society once they begin that the other males will be more selective of who they decide to sleep with and when the balance of power has shifted from women choosing mates to males choosing their mates women will do whatever the remaining males want in order to secure a mate.

>Take my Girlfriend.
cuck

The only solutions to the cunt problem are either to build artificial wombs, or enslave women and send them to rape camps.

This isis true, my grandparents can be pretty petty

>so should men change themselves?
yes. this is already happening. Men have seen the modern woman pic related and decided they don't want it, and luckily since biology is on our side we just need to wait a decade or two for the next generation to grow up and we'll find a nice counter culture, traditional woman while all the roasties grow old and an hero because apparently attention is more essential to them than air or water.

Touché

Men do change themselves. Look at Bailey Jay.

This. Women are shapeshifters and they equate popularity with success. All you have to do is make nationalism race realism, etc popular and the roasties will follow. The good news is that this is already happening.

You dont try change the WHORES
They are already damaged good
You move on to the decent women
If MORE MEN did this
The abandoned lonely roasties would change their ways
But instead men keep cucking to these sluts

STOP IT

>Bezsporno_backstage

Women fuck losers too

For your own hapiness, sure, go win alot.
But for women you need game & confidence, good looks is just room for mistakes in those two areas

Stop giving them attention. Women are a nightmare - yes even "nice" ones. You should be working on yourself anyway, but to do it just to attract women is not good. You'll attract women and then, great, you've got a woman in tow - awesome. Men who have women are NEVER happy - they just think they are because they are doing whats required of them and being a good goy.

Make extramarital sex illegal.

>Bezsporno
>Not knowing what that means
Also it's the video companies name. I know, it is a bit weird naming your film company "No/without prono"

western "women" are the type of women western """men""" deserve
you know I am right
women have as much freedom as their men allow them

>good looks is just room for mistakes in those two areas
Is this what ugly people tell themselves? If by "game" you mean a lot of money absolutely because confidence naturally comes to the wealthy. But women are attracted to your money, not confidence.

>Is this what ugly people tell themselves?

No, its what pretty guys who learned how to be good with women in their early 20's think, after they look back on their teen years.

>Women are attracted to your money

This meme is getting old, google "alpha fux beta bux" and you'll see what i mean. It's not wrong, but it's not right either.

>to convince women to stop being degenerate
The Kremlin carpet bombs Sup Forums every hour with pro-Russia, anti-American, anti-Western threads. They're easy to spot.
-->(certain people) are degenerate
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If you post in their shit-tier bait threads, the Putinbots instantly spring into action calling you a kike or hohol (whatever the fuck that is)

But if they can't get any traction with their politial manipulation threads, they shitpost thousands of slide threads to push all the good threads off the board, like "What does Sup Forums think about Tiny Houses?"

sage goes in all fields

Have you read wattpad stories? Women WANT to be traditional and have a strong man. There's seriously a crazy amount of wattpad stories where women get taken away from their party life, school, or career, and are forced to be traditional and eventually barefoot and pregant in the kitchen. Through an either contrived modern aranged marriage where they contrivedly have to stay home, something fantastical like the secret vampire society, the rise of the 4th reich and Nazi eugenics aranged marriage program (seriously, even J.K Rowling has a Nazi fetish, and wattpad always deletes these stories unless the main character is Jewish, and those are nowhere near as popular), or (sexy but exotic... but also loving) space aliens who are similar to humans but a virus is killing all their women but they need more so they kidnap earth women.
There's roastie stories sure. But the majority is women expressing their dark desire to be a homemaker with a confident husband.
That idea seems so far away from familiar circumstance of modern women in their mind that they are only able to reach it through contrived things like arranged marriage, vampire shows up and says he's your soulmate... vamp babies pls, sudden onset of 4th reich, or alien abduction.

This isn't even mentioning the non-modern settings, which are usually far more traditional.

I find it funny that in a lot of the modern ones, the woman was initially dating Chad, and crying because she couldn't get him to stay after he got bored with her and moved to the next thot. That's probably the depression that causes some of these to be written.

Women are the gatekeepers to sex, western society has enshrined this concept in law. If you break down the gates by force you are not only turned into a social pariah before your guilt is determined but you are probably going to spend the next 10 years fending off a big motherfucker named Meat Axe. What did women do as gate keepers? They practically threw the gates open. That is a shitty fucking gatekeeper.

In exchange, men became the gatekeepers to marriage. Its comes down to a man whether or not a woman gets married.

And if whores wont guard the gates, men will.

OK, you’re asking the wrong question and have a completely wrong mindset

Sluts are sluts do to biology

Women are naturally weak to suggestion, but many are more impulsive than others

Don’t waste your time with high-T women who will slut around anyway

Are you fucking drunk? You NEVER, EVER explain to a woman that you’re marriage minded or looking for a non-slut. That’s a massive sign with “I am a beta provider who emotionally invests in pussy” above your head. They’re all gonna lie to you so they can get their whore claws in you.

You’re supposed to act cool, apathetic, and non-judgemental. The stories supposedly “good” christian girls have told me would make your head spin. Women will unveil their true nature if you act like you’re neutral or positive.

If you harp on to women about what you want (a good housewife) every slut in a 30 mile radius looking for a meal ticket will put on her sunday best, and coquettishly bat her eyelashes while telling you ALL about how much she loves cooking, cleaning, babies, and our Lord Jesus Christ (tm).

And besides, getting married in the first place is somewhat beta in a woman’s eyes. It shows you invest so much in her personally you’re going to ignore your instincts and just try to fuck her. Love from a man is seen as desperation by a woman.

A wedding is the ultimate validation of a woman by society.

>”Mwahaha, I actually got this faggot to publicly declare himself my beta provider!”

No, in a healthy relationship the woman is the one who declares her desire to marry you. And you string her along repeatedly with slut testing until you decide to go to the courthouse on a whim.

It’s very important to marry a younger woman. Part of the reason marriages fall apart is so many people INSIST on marrying women their own age.

You know what happens when you marry a woman your age? Midlife crisis. Men want the youngest, most beautiful women we can get. And as a 30-40 year old man it’s fucking revolting to watch your woman start to sag and crack and degenerate into a hag.

Women are just fine with a fit, dominant, and financially secure 30-40 something for a very long time. Of course it being widely known that women PREFER older men anyway.

When your wife is significantly younger than you are, everybody wins. You get to enjoy each other in your respective primes.

Woman receives a man with

>Wisdom
>Money
>experience with women already
>Higher social status/power
>Pre-selection in the form of his old lovers
>Combat skill from old battles

A man receives

>Her youth
>Her beauty
>Her fertile eggs
>Her innocence
>Her sweetness
>Her kindness & compassion
>Her lower financial expectations

True. Once a woman has ruined her LTR potential then she’s damaged goods, only useful for sex.