Koe no Katachi

Just my two cents here, having read the original manga when it initially released and having seen the movie and having just reread the manga, I feel both version of the story are heavily flawed.

The movie cuts many side character's plots, and while I understand that you can't include a whole 7 tome manga into a 2 hour movie, they should have probably cut out characters like Mashima and Kawai completely to add more development of the central cast. Ueno, and sadly Shouko, get the biggest shaft on their character arc. Ueno doesn't really getting sufficient backstory to explain her attitude, and doesn't get enough development to make her seem anything more than a total bitch in this rendition of the story.

In the manga, Shouko is shown as a girl who is unable to understand what people are trying to communicate to her (running parallel to Shoya's unwillingness to understand others), and confronts this lack of communication with self-deprecation and self-loathing. Her external "niceness" is just her trying to avoid expressing her own emotions and having others express their own to her. Both Shouya (who makes her express her love) and Ueno (who makes her express negative feelings). She isn't really the mary sue she comes off as in the movie, and there is a nice moment in the manga where Shouko contemplates a different and more positive scenario of her time in elementary school where she decided to react playfully to Shouya's teasing instead of deprecating herself as she actually did.

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While I think the manga is overall superior because the characters were more fleshed out, I don't think it is without considerable flaws. The best parts of the manga are the very human characters and the commentary on current Japanese culture. The latter is particularly done well, where we get an idea that Shouya was a hyperactive boy who bullied Shouko initially to get a laugh from his peers, and later to force a reaction after being confronted with her overly passive response to his teasing (Something which Ueno does similarly later on in the manga). Around them both are classmates who bully her in a more socially acceptable manner (contrasted with Shouya's bullying), a teacher who is indifferent to his student's plights, a teacher who's active involvement in intergrating Shouko turned down, Shouya's mother who doesn't discipline her child, Shouko's mother who is overly strict with her daughter, and Shouko, who is doesn't stand up for herself.

The manga afterwards shows how Shouko starts growing with her interactions with Shouya. She starts to express more feelings, love, anger, and joy. After she is saved by Shouya, she actively looks to communicate her desire to other people and eventually chooses her own future. This whole part is missing from the movie, particularly because here desire to bring everyone together falls flat without the movie subplot. it overall makes her seem less like the flawed character who desires to grow as she was in the manga, and more of a mary sue who is to pure for this world.

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The failure of the manga, in my opinion, is due mostly to the forced dramatic ending (the whole coma thing) which feels like a cheap way to make the characters confront each other and their flaws. The manga keeps going after the movie ending, making for a very weak plot thread where both Shouya and Shouko decide to become hairstylists, with Shouko going to Tokyo from her own accord and with Shouya briefly considering going with her only to later decide to stay home and take over his mother's business as he's the only one his mother has (despite the fact that we later see both Shouya's sister and her husband actively present in their home, meaning he wasn't really needed that much in the first place).

The ending makes no effort to solve the romantic subplot between Shouya and Shouko (They should really have removed it altogether if they didn't want to address it by the end). It also doesn't resolve the pending plot thread with Shouya and his elementary school friends or the wrap up the plot threads of any of the other characters (Especially the ones that were brought up literally in the last volume).

Overall, I think the movie made a good move in keeping an open ended closer, but I just wish they would have kept more of Ueno and especially Shouko's arcs intact.

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I really dislike the last chapter in the manga. It's just everyone meeting up for a coming of age ceremony and doesn't even bother to give any insight on what the characters plan to do next. Considering Nishimiya left for Tokyo and Shouya stayed behind, I would have liked to have a big of closure on if Nishimiya even plans on going back to her hometown or if she was just going to be out of Shouya's life forever.

Honestly, I sort of wish they had made Shouya discover a talent he had while he helped make the movie, like being the one who wrote the script. Maybe having him realize he's a good writer and go to university to become a writer would have been much more satisfying than staying home to keep his mother safe.

Maybe have either Shouko or Shouya study something where they can better integrate deaf children to schools? Making the plot go full circle were we see a little girl similar to Nishimiya actually intergrated with her classmates would have be nice if maybe a bit cliched. Shouko's decision to become a hair stylist comes is only foreshadowed in two throw-away lines, one where Yuzuru says Shouko cuts her hair and another where she puts Yuzuru's hair up for the movie and someone tells her she did a great job.

There is also a subtle implication that Ueno and Sahara are lesbians lovers, so there's that.

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>particularly because here desire to bring everyone together falls flat without the movie subplot
I really agree on this, the removal of the movie subplot removes a big part of the story and one of the main topics of the manga, suicide.

I also feel the last volume was a bit rushed, it would have been better to have another two volumes instead of the last one that just seemed to dodge the romance between Shouko and Shoya.

Honestly, they just left everyone's plot thread hanging. While we can assume that Ueno grew out of her crush and she and Sahara achieved success in the fashion industry, we have no idea if Mashima grew out of his desire to become a teacher solely for revenge and what happened with Kawai's after her insistence in following him everywhere.

The worst are probably Shouya and Shouko, we never don't even know what they plan to do outside of "cut hair".

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> hey just left everyone's plot thread hanging
Can't agree more, how they left Shouko and Shoya's future hanging is painful, for the last page I assume they stayed together, at least I'm sure of that.

Also, how they potrayed Mashiba in the movie annoys me, he seemed so forced in the movie and it's almost like just a guy there.

Mashima really should have been cut from the movie. His friendship makes very little sense considering he doesn't even do it to participate in the movie.

Kawaii only talks to Shouya because Mashiba wanted to be his friend. She wouldn't have cared about him otherwise.

They should have cut Kawai too, honestly.

True that

is this op's review a pasta now or something

anywho, the movie is decent but cuts a lot of content. every side character got shafted and even shouko is lacking some of her development.
the making a movie plot was cut entirely, but whatever.

if you like the movie more than the manga, its because you like anime over manga. they could have done better.

its a pasta been on Sup Forums for a few days.

please someone just tell me if the subs are out

yeah for a few days

yeah but good subs

35mm

Cartel crap, no thanks.

CR (or something else, don't know the source of HS release) subs are watchable if someone is wondering. Whole universe better than 35mm, comparable with Nii-sama. Video quality is worse though.

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You guys forget that Shouya planned to takeover his Mom's business. He thought Shouko was going to study to be a beautician but Ueno tells him that she's goin to be a Hairdresser as one of the 3 things he didn't know. Obviously she's studying to be a hairdresser so that she can work at the Ishida household. Its quite clear that she wants to "help him live" in that regard.

why did he go to the bridge right after he woke up from an a coma ? felt so rushed and unrealistic

HS rip is out.

how did this cartle meme shit start? i thought cartel refered to non pantsu hosting sites

CoalGirls when?
THORA when?
ANE when?

Japs are like the only people who would bully a deaf girl since they're soulless beasts.

lurk for 2 years

Can someone tell me why deaf girl go to normal school? Is it normal irl too?

If I recall from the manga, she herself chose to go to a normal school, normally they'd have their own school or a special class.

Date? With Shouko?

>when his mother burns the money

stupid fucking cow

Why are you spamming this? This is the second time you start a thread with the exact same TL;DR autistic pasta.

>tmw he wants to try out anal

Where was Pedro?

>manga chapter 62.5
Her mom put her in a normal school because she wants her to grow up to be as normal as possible.

>she doesn't know to react so she cycles through responses such as a happ response or a angry response
She's so fucking cute

So what kind of job does Pedro do?

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So Nii-sama, 35mm, or HS? Which is the best subs?

Why the fuck are anons saying 35mm is so bad? There are mistakes in Nii-sama too you know.

is this supposed to be a tranny or something?

watch your fuckin mouth

Probably HS.
35mm looks like it has the best release, it's green after all whatever that means.
Downloading both anyway.
Nii-sama only appears in pantsu so I guess it's user-subs.

>draw a boy
>call it a girl

I haven't checked HS yet, but 35mm is crap compared to Nii-sama. One of the most obvious differences is that the Nii-sama subs also add proper typesetting for things like signs and the calendar in the beginning. 35mm does not.

>NEET
>actually goes to school with her nee-san
Hmm

HS is the official translation, watch that or wait for someone to out that translation together with a different source.

I just want to fuck this fucking slut lads.

what are you talking about, that is L right there

>mango was forced drama. dropped.
>movie was forced drama. dropped.

35mm translates the bread coupon, Nii-sama does not. I haven't yet seen someone showing examples of 35mm being better of Nii-sama, and everything that I've checked 35mm seems to be superior.

If 35mm is actually good, then use these subtitles with Beatrice-Raws

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It's from the latest 35mm 1080p release.

Fuck her, and fuck all the other bitches too.

>Ueno is an insufferable cunt who wanted Ishida's dick and tortured others because of it
>Kawai is a fucking liiar who puts on crocodile tears if someone calls her out on her shit
>Sahara is frumpy and a coward, but is the least insufferable of the bunch

SEAmonkey here, it might just be my memory playing tricks on me but I think HS's translation is actually worse than the one I watched in my cinema.
Posted this in another thread already because I didn't see this one up, but here's one example, in my cinema it was definitely
>My friend who came back from the dead, teach me to study please!
whereas this one has the whole first half missing.

Throughout the rest of the movie in HS there's other weird translations like "But it was me who didn't get the right number of umbrellas" which I'm pretty sure in my cinema was more like "I forgot to bring another one." Or "I thought she would stop saying she wanted to kill herself" instead of "I thought she wouldn't want to die anymore".

Just my two cents, that somehow from my perspective it looks like the Singaporeans had better translation than the Englanders.

I want to drown that fucking cunt in the river while Kawai watches and I say "You're next" lads

Maybe I have MPC set up wrong, but those just show plain white text at the top of the screen for signs and so on. Meanwhile Nii-Sama actually changes said signs and such to English. The bread coupon didn't even need much explaining since he instantly said as much a moment after grabbing it.

Sahara is the dyke model right? She has absolutely no faults, what the fuck.

>being this mad
Enjoy your disabled Donald Duck.

>not finding the goofy speech adorable

I also once dated a blind chick, so maybe I'm fucked up and have a thing for cripples.

Goddammit, Kevin Spacey.

>goofy speech
Thanks for reminding me she also sounds like Goofy.

My computer is too shit to run MPC so I have to use VLC instead, and pic related is what I'm talking about.
If this is true, fuck.

She ran away and didn't help. That is her fault. She let a problem grow.

I just checked, he's right about HS missing lines and having fucked up shit. You're definitely better off with 35mm and Nii-sama.

She actually tells her imouto that she wants to kill herself? And in shuwa of all?

>you have to cater to a deaf bitch who wanted to go to a normal school and cause trouble around her instead of a school that specializes in disabled kids
Ueno was right. If Shouko didn't enroll in the school, Ishida and co. would have still been friends. She literally ruined their friendship.

By the way I'll try installing MPC to see if it's just VLC acting up.

Just had a look through 35mm subs, they do sound a lot more like the ones I saw in the theatre. Except unlike 35mm, theatre subs didn't fuck around with Shoko's dialogue and just translated straight what she intended to say. Fortunately my whole cinema (all chinks at that) was weeaboo enough to get the "tsuki" joke.

install cccp or kawaii if you don't know how to codecs

I'm talking about pic related. Notice Nii-sama's subs add proper text to everything (minus the bread coupon, apparently), while all the other subs do not.

Nah it's not VLC. MPC shows the 35mm subs exactly like that too.

Yamada's leg fetish has officially gotten out of control in this movie.

They would've all grown up to be assholes. Atleast Ishida changed and learned a little empathy this way

It was just the right amount. I remember Shouya'a face more so than that.

>If Shouko didn't enroll in the school, Ishida and co. would have still been friends. She literally ruined their friendship.

They would have still been friends if they actually owned up to the bullying instead of putting all the blame on Ishida.

They literally threw him under a bus then complained about it later

>I JUST FUCKED OVER ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CLASS JUST BECAUSE I'M A COWARDLY WHORE
>WTF I HATE DEAF PEOPLE NOW

Ueno should LITERALLY kill herself.

Not only TS, but nii-sama is not a liberalized crap for hungry burgers.

OK, but in next scene (few seconds after) he is literally reading what is written on the coupon. But yeah, cartelfag will be praising cartelsubs...

2 mistakes which aren't even relevant to the story. Comparing to changed personalities and burgerized script in 35mm.

Use mpv my friend

This user here

Can anybody pastebin Nii-sama subs for quick check?

Loli reverse traps are the future.

How did Shouko even learn Japanese? It feels like a tonal language and learning the writing part is impressive if you can't hear it, especially for the kanji parts.

I got you covered.

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It's in the first minute or two when the movie opens. Just look at ANY part of the calendar. HS and 35mm DO NOT add text, and instead just put it at the top of the screen as white plain text.

Is this the single best directed scene in all of anime history?

the one imouto that should have been bullied instead

She mentions going to a high school to photograph high school girls' legs in the booklet.

In Japanese intonation isn't THAT important. Everyone will understand you. It will be sounds just weird and bad, like Americans who are trying to read Japanese names (or whatever else). Cringy but understandable.

>They would've all grown up to be assholes
No they wouldn't. Keep in mind that before Shouko appeared, they were just normal kids having fun all the time.
>They would have still been friends if they actually owned up to the bullying instead of putting all the blame on Ishida.
>They literally threw him under a bus then complained about it later
It was the right choice though. Anyone else would have done the same. If sacrificing one person can save more people, then all is well.

>I JUST FUCKED OVER ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CLASS JUST BECAUSE I'M A COWARDLY WHORE
See my reply above. Ueno did nothing wrong.
>WTF I HATE DEAF PEOPLE NOW
Ueno didn't hate Shouko for no reason. She was being a bother to her daily life. She even gave a lot of signs that Shouko's being a bother but Shouko didn't notice. Their class was literally forced to babysit someone they don't care about. Ueno and co. literally did NOTHING wrong.

Jap is not a tonal language.
Also she wasn't completely deaf as a child she could use hearing aids. She's starting to go completely deaf as a teenager though

Everything was on point during that scene. That music.

Not mentionig that Nii-sama uses all honorifics, proper name order and proper romanization instead Shoko etc.

Yeah, I feel the same about Shouko in the movie. They removed the scenes that made Shouko feel human and made her more into a pure victimized angel.

She can't keep getting away with it

>I feel both version of the story are heavily flawed.
who cares, it is beautifully drawn.

How long are we talking about in a scene? Up until he hits the deck?

>that raising panic in Shouya's face
>that raising tempo
>Shouya shouting Shouko's first name at the last second
>that trippy as fuck few seconds after Shouko jumps
>that regret in Shouya's face as he monologues
>that bloodcurdling scream he makes as he pulls Shouko up and he falls
>that flashback as he lays there dying
>that muffled ambulance noises
I've rewatched it tens of times already and I can just never get enough of it.

Up until the transition to the hospital.

1. We don't know that she wanted to go there. Children rarely have a say in these matters. It's on the parents to make that decision since they're legally responsible for them.
2. We don't know the financial situation that the parents are in, and if they can afford a specialist school for the hearing impaired.
3. Putting all the blame on her and none whatsoever on the rest of the class, who all chose to act a certain way, and all possess agency of their own, is reductionist.

Shut up faggot

>that raising panic in Shouya's face
voice*

no u

Embarrassed Ueno is cute!