What are Sup Forums thoughts on Corporatism? I'm quite new on it and would like to hear other people's opinion on it...

What are Sup Forums thoughts on Corporatism? I'm quite new on it and would like to hear other people's opinion on it. Will post a video link showing what Corporatism is for those who don't know what it is.

youtu.be/ypj3UF2wTQQ

Its fucking retarded and is literally the source of corruption in the United States.

Separation between economy and state is equally as important if not more important than separation of church and state.

>ITT:How do we become better brain dead capitalist consumers who's culture literally consist of buying shit we don't need.
You ruined every single holiday and cultural segment of western heritage buy marketing it as a commodity.

It's one of the best systems to run a truly national economy on. It worked well in Salazar's Portugal, fascist Italy and Francoist Spain.

>literally the source of corruption in the United States
Trust an (((ancap))) to not understand any economic systems other than the one he subscribes to. Corporatism isn't the same as that shit you hear lefties and liberals talking about fuckwit, it's a step away from syndicalism where industries are run by both the workers and the owners discussing and deciding economic policy together. With fascist corporatism, all decisions receive oversight from technocrats and experts from the party to step in when deadlock occurs and make the final decision as to what is best for the nation ultimately.

You too clearly don't know what corporatism fucking is. It's not what you're thinking of which is crony capitalism. It's only corporate in name because of its organised, not that its ran private corporations.

It could work, I guess. But I still love the free market.

Sounds like someone with authority over the economy would try to hi-jack it for them selve and there group of cronies.

We would end up with a system close to what China practices today.

And for the record it was my journey through economics that made me an ancap.

There's always going to be that risk. Corruption is unavoidable, it's just a matter of minimising the possibilities, and a party led by visionaries would snuff it out as soon as they would find any trace of it, as what had happened in places where this was tried. The economy is disconnected from international finance and therefore international corporations so that too is a limiting factor. I'm not going to call it a perfect system, but it's infinitely better than filthy boom-or-bust capitalism.

The thing is, in any system visionaries tend to be useful idiots and the megalomaniacs usually end up in power. I'd rather have a megalomaniac run a corporation than a government regulatory body since the corporation would have less power over the overall economy. In this day in age the economy has more power than any military or super-national body, hence why people will want to control it.

I understand the notion of wanting to limit your economy from the outside since on an international level things get intense and transitioning ones economy to become competitive internationally while maintaining the same standard of living is difficult. Yet there are so many benefits from having internationally bodies, weather it be natural resources, banking, shipping, or manufacturing is so valuable you will end up being out done by most countries in the world at some point.

>Literally wants a capitalist guild system
>Somehow thinks it won't be used against him
We already have corporatism, the difference is that you're not part of it. The closest you get to this is by playing the stock market and then you still loose like the good goyim you are.

"Fascism's theory of economic corporatism involved management of sectors of the economy by government or privately-controlled organizations (corporations). Each trade union or employer corporation would, theoretically, represent its professional concerns, especially by negotiation of labour contracts and the like."

How is this different from modern crony capitalism? Do you honestly not think that the current capitalist system is not a corporatist one at its core?

So gov/private business controls everything and they can freely engage in open cartels between one another to (((ensure self-determinism))) within the state. It would work, if your state is ran by a National Socialist ideologue. But it's not.

You literally have the exact same thing except the system doesn't benefit you because you're not a member of it's special class.

And that's just one form of (((corporatism))), you literally have several variants of this system employed by all political sides.

>It would work, if your state is ran by a National Socialist ideologue.

That still would fail. Ignoring how self restricting and in the long run horrible natsoc economics are. Even they where subject to infiltration and coups.

So even if you get your ideal economic system (why natsoc anyway) your still subject to corruption from outside forces.

I have no issues with Corporatism provided that the state is built with a transcendent purpose rather than an immanent, materialistic purpose, provided that any property within the nation must be put to optimal use for the nation, and provided that the state attempts to limit demand to match supply rather than to increase supply to match a potentially infinite demand; production is not a good in itself, it is something that is merely a necessary part of completing the nation's purpose.

With these stipulations the system would be more accurately called National Socialism however, which is how I will continue to refer to it.

>why natsoc anyway
Because it is literally religion. And if everyone within your empire believes anything works then it simply works.

In the end it's all about gaining control over as much resources as possible, using those resources to invest in your own nation and also give some hand outs to people who cannot work while simultaneously sedate all productive forces within your nation under a religious deity that literally involves their devotion and their spare time to uphold this system which determines their daily life.

Do you think our current system isn't literally national socialist economics on a global stage?

>Everything is owned by a selected few, trusted men in the service of one ideology that all men obey and uphold (Prussianism/Kameralwissenchaft and National idealism --> Capitalist "Free market")
>All people live in a fake reality orchestrated by the ruling class (The Völkisch movement/Christianity --> Consumerism)
>The ruling class live in a separate society unknown by the large masses where they orchestrate their original plans and dreams for the future, only these men will come to Heaven (Thulesociety/Neo-Paganism --> Teh Chosen People)
>Each individual within the society knows his or hers position and are rewarded by their vices and their ability to uphold the system (Make babies for the reich --> Make money for the corporation/bank)
>Corruption exists to raise in the ranks/get more money

The only difference is that we remove the metaphysical or political engine from what Hitler did and kept everything else. As a matter of fact, most societies work like this.

People are pretty dumb enough to accept their roles and current positions only if they are given a sense of for their lives. They will not only uphold systems, but literally believe in them in the end.

>The American Dream
>The Chosen Race
>The Permanent Revolution/Class Free Society

It's the same shit. The only thing that drives economy is religion/social control.

If people stopped "believing" in Capitalism tomorrow, it would collapse, regardless of their current "socio-economic status".

Even planned economies can work if people don't complain about it. We literally had this in Europe for several years until Adam Smith wrote his book.

People are docile as fuck if they only have some meaning in their lives. This is why all forms of economics are literally all the same in the end, they're tied to human nature. Only if you change human nature you can achieve economic change.

>worked well for fascist Italy

the corporate state fucked over the economy so bad the Nazis estimated the Italian economy was working a less than 30% with mass unemployment in 1942

This, corporatism is a dead end. If you're still thinking in terms of economics, you're clueless as to the real problem.

Corporatism is alright, but in effect it’s an inferior version of guild socialism. Once you have an effective state + worker organisation, you don’t need capitalists to manage the economy anymore. It’s a pity Italy never fully utilised corporatism to my knowledge, although Spain did. The results were quite disappointing, but Spain’s later state capitalism was very succesfull.

PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A FOOL

>Implying that the chinese economic model isn’t good.

use the proper flag next time m8

There was a war on in 1942 and the mob were traitors purposely sabotaging their own country

Great system. Shame Mosley didn't get to implement it in Britain

Bump for interest