Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.
A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio George Lincoln Rockwell Juan Perón Giovanni Gentile Julius Evola Konstantin Rodzaevsky Francisco Rolao Preto Dimitrije Ljotic
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
I truly have missed these threads. Most of/pol/ is filled with trump and NatSocs and a bunch of bait we can no longer have a real discussion. From now on we will post a /fsg/ thread almost everyday.
Parker Bennett
First for Benito's wheel
Eli Miller
"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with the decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely >CAPITALISM VS CORPORATISM >CAPITALISM "Capitalism is . . . a method of industrial production. To employ the most comprehensive definition: Capitalism is a method of mass production for mass consumption, financed en masse by the emission of private, national and international capital. Capitalism is, therefore, industrial and has not had in the field of agriculture any manifestation of the great bearing.
I would mark in the history of capitalism three periods: the dynamic period, the static period and the period of decline. The dynamic period was that from 1830 to 1870. It coincided with the introduction of weaving by machinery and with the appearance of the locomotive. Manufacturing, the typical manifestation of industrial capitalism, expanded. This was the epoch of great expansion and hence of the law of free competition; the struggle of all against all had full play. In this period there were crises, but they were cyclical crises, neither long nor universal. Capitalism still had such vitality and such power of recovery that it could brilliantly prevail.
There were also wars. They cannot be compared with the World War. They were brief. Even the War of 1870, with its tragic days at Sedan, took no more than a couple of seasons.
Parker Cook
First for Molsey BEADY eyes.
Xavier Moore
>CAPITALISM CONT the theorists of liberalism could say: "You, the State, have a single duty. It is to see to it that your administration does not in the least turn toward the economic sector. The better you govern the less you will occupy yourself with the problems of the economic realm." We find, therefore, that economy in all its forms was limited only by the penal and commercial codes. But after 1870, this epoch underwent a change. There was no longer the struggle for life, free competition, the selection of the strongest. There became manifest the first symptoms of the fatigue and the devolution of the capitalistic method. There began to be agreements, syndicates, corporations, trusts. One may say that there was not a sector of economic life in the countries of Europe and America where these forces which characterise capitalism did not appear.
What was the result? The end of free competition. Restricted as to its borders, capitalistic enterprise found that, rather than fight, it was better to concede, to ally, to unite by dividing the markets and sharing the profits. The very law of demand and supply was now no longer a dogma because through the combined and the trusts it was possible to control demand and supply.
Nathaniel Rivera
>CORPORATISM "If today I am better off practically, I owe it to the institutions which the Fascist revolution has created."
We want the Italian workers, those who are interested in their status as Italians, as workers, as Fascists, to feel that we have not created institutions solely to give form to our doctrinal schemes, but in order, at a certain moment, to give positive, concrete, practical and tangible results.
Our State is not an absolute State. Still less is it an absolutory State,remote from men and armed only with inflexible laws, as laws ought to be. Our State is one organic, human State which wishes to adhere to the realities of life. . .
Today we bury economic liberalism. The corporation plays on the economic terrain just as the Grand Council and the militia play on the political terrain. Corporationism is disciplined economy, and from that comes control, because one cannot imagine a discipline without a director.
Corporationism is above socialism and above liberalism. A new synthesis is created. It is a symptomatic fact that the decadence of capitalism coincides with the decadence of socialism. All the Socialist parties of Europe are in fragments.
Aaron Price
Uh, italians are fucking worthless, and cant engineer a car as reliable as a german car to save their angry pathetic lives.
Isaiah James
>CORPORATISM CONT We have rejected the theory of the economic man, the Liberal theory, and we are, at the same time, emancipated from what we have heard said about work being a business. The economic man does not exist; the integral man, who is political, who is economic, who is religious, who is holy, who is combative, does exist
Let us ask a final question: Can corporationism be applied to other countries? We are obliged to ask this question because it will be asked in all countries where people are studying and trying to understand us. There is no doubt that, given the general crisis of capitalism, corporative solutions can be applied anywhere. But in order to make corporationism full and complete, integral, revolutionary, certain conditions are required
Matthew Bell
>CORPORATISM EXPLAINED Corporatism was invented for fascism by National Syndicalists. Corporatism is the main economic system a fascist society will use. The goal of corporatism is to bring every major interest group or "corporate group" into working towards a common goal for the state. This allows for the state to easily regulate every corporate group and decides what is "good" and what is "harmful" for the state, anything deemed harmful will be banned by the state.
>NOW FOR THE LONG EXPLANATION Corporatism can be defined as a system of interest representation in which the constituent units are organized into a limited number of singular, compulsory, noncompetitive, hierarchically ordered and functionally differentiated categories, recognized or licensed (if not created) by the state and granted a deliberate representational monopoly within their respective categories in exchange for observing certain controls on their selection of leaders and articulation of demands and supports. Corporatism places the worker's guild within it while relatively retaining the autonomy of the workers and placing them in collaboration rather than conflict with their bosses. In forcing the workers and the bosses to cooperate and allowing the councils to represent themselves in arbitration via the labour courts, the class struggle is alleviated without the need for general strikes and demonstrations. Furthermore, the place of state becomes one of oversight, deciding for instance which goods are considered harmful to the nation and banning their production.
Fascism solves the problem of unemployment and poverty by establishing the Corporate State, which will be divided into National corporations governed by representatives of employers, workers and consumers, operating under a Fascist government. The State will not attempt to conduct industry as it would under Socialism, instead, the State will lay down the limits within which industry' may operate, and those limits will be the national welfare. Private ownership will be permitted and encouraged, provided such activity enriches the nation as well as the individual. All interests that operate against the nation will be rigorously suppressed. The function of the Corporations will be to raise wages and salaries over the whole field of industry as science, rationalisation and industrial technique increase the power to produce. Consumption will be adjusted to production and a Home Market will be provided by the higher purchasing power of our own people. Fascism involves a corporatist political system in which the economy was collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at the national level. This non-elected form of state officializing of every interest into the state was professed to reduce the marginalisation of singular interests (as would allegedly happen by the unilateral end condition inherent in the democratic voting process). Corporatism would instead better recognise or "incorporate" every divergent interest into the state organically, according to its supporters, thus being the inspiration for their use of the term totalitarian, perceivable to them as not meaning a coercive system but described distinctly as without coercion.
Juan Sanders
>philosophic conception Fascism is thought and action. It is action with an inherent doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historic forces, is inserted in it and works on it from within. It has, therefore, a form co-related to the contingencies of time and place, but it has at the same time an ideal content which elevates it into a formula of truth in the higher region of the history of thought. >spiritual conception To Fascism the world is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all other men, standing by himself and subject to a natural law which instinctively impels him to lead a life of momentary and egoistic pleasure. In Fascism man is an individual who is the nation and the country. He is this by a moral law which embraces and binds together individuals and generations in an established tradition and mission, a moral law which suppresses the instinct to lead a life confined to a brief cycle of pleasure in order, instead, to replace it within the orbit of duty in a superior conception of life, free from the limits of time and space a life in which the individual by self-abnegation and by the sacrifice of his particular interests, even by death, realises the entirely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists. >ethical conception This positive conception of life is evidently an ethical conception. And it comprises the whole reality as well as the human activity which domineers it. No action is to be removed from the moral sense; nothing is to be in the world that is divested of the importance which belongs to it in respect of moral aims. Life, therefore, as the Fascist conceives it, is serious, austere, religious; entirely balanced in a world sustained by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the "easy" life.
James Gutierrez
You mention NatSocs with a degree of disdain. Do you see them as allies or as net negatives for the cause? I'm not looking for a tl;dr on the difference between the two, I just see Fascists and NatSocs throwing shots at each other quite frequently.
Charles Torres
>religious conception Fascism is a religious conception in which man is considered to be in the powerful grip of a superior law, with an objective will which transcends the particular individual and elevates him into a fully conscious member of a spiritual society. Anyone who has stopped short at the mere consideration of opportunism in the religious policy of the Fascist Regime has failed to understand that Fascism, besides being a system of government, is also a system of thought. After socialism, Fascism trains its guns on the whole block of democratic ideologies and rejects both their premises and their practical applications and implements. Fascism denies that numbers, as such, can be the determining factor in human society; it denies the right of numbers to govern by means of periodical consultations; it asserts the irremediable and fertile and beneficent inequality of men who cannot be levelled by any such mechanical and extrinsic device as universal suffrage. Democratic regimes may be described as those under which the people are, from time to time, deluded into the belief that they exercise sovereignty, while all the time real sovereignty resides in and is exercised by other and sometimes irresponsible and secret forces. Democracy is a kingless regime infested by many kings who are sometimes more exclusive, tyrannical, and destructive than one, even if he be a tyrant.
The belief of National Socialism is a good one, but when you have a bunch of people posting pics of Adolf and saying Heil Hitler, can really kill a movement.
Asher Butler
A nation where all corporations, all industries, exist to further the state and those within it. Corporations and industries may need to be nationalised. Unions, consisting of citizens, need to exist and cooperate with the state and with the corporations/industries themselves. The state acts as an intermediary between the people and the industries. A protectionist economy. The nation also prides themselves in their culture, their history. A Spanish fascist state would idealise Spaniard's history, their triumphs, their culture. Citizen's taking pride in their culture. They would oppose immigration and race mixing. They would support nationalism and fascism in other countries. They would make sure corporations are benefiting their country - not other nations and not just their CEOs. Identity, Culture, National Unity, and an economy that exists to further the state and the people's wealth. People should take pride in their work and the things their nation produces. People should be happy to work for a more prosperous nation. People should have morals and family values. Children should learn outdoorsmanship and discipline. A unified, loving family should be promoted. Promiscuity should be discouraged. Things like "slut walks" should be disgusting to people.
Brandon Price
Remember: - Get in shape. - Promote your culture intelligently: talk about the books, films, video games, inventions and discoveries of your culture. - Remind your peers of the goods of your country. - Openly promote peace. - Promote nationalism and tight border control as a means of protecting said peace and said culture, even reference the dangers of imperialism if necessary. - Always be outstanding in your behaviour, strive for virtue and keep cool in the face of trouble; the best way to clean the image of Fascism is by making fascist the best men and women they can. - Stay civil in every discussion but crush your opponents arguments without hesitation. - Promote the cooperation of the world, but not the mixing.
Sup Forums is a great place to vent and get feelings off your chest with regards to controversial politics. As long as you keep your 88 larping far away from the public and especially political rallies I don't see a problem.
I like Hitlerposting, because I do admire him in a way. But I don't subscribe to the NatSoc label, because its optics has been tarnished beyond repair.
Jacob Ross
Pretty much agree with everything you said, I admire Hitler but you cannot deny he has killed European Nationalism. It's best to mention leaders the public don't know very well. Like for example Franco and Spain, Salazar and Portugal.
Grayson Gutierrez
How can you blame him for what happened and not the kikes?
Caleb Davis
Who /reading/ here? I'm currently looking for more books to read. Does anyone have this Sup Forums books facist edition?
Zachary Brown
> Americans fled in droves to Canada to avoid conscription in Vietnam, so much for the land of braves. Italian soldiers showed incredible bravery in face of insurmountable difficulties > what is ferrari, maserati, lamborghini, alfa romeo, lancia. Literally the best cars in the world are made by us
Lincoln Sanchez
I do blame the Jews for a lot of things. But we cannot blame the Jew in public boomers, millennials etc. Will absolutely lose their shit especially here in America. We have to give them another name maybe something like, (((1%))) or (((establishment)))
Lots of us do not want to participate in your conceptions of culture and identity.
If you want to form voluntary communities like this, nobody would care. I’m not interested in having my life legislated by you people, and I think most of you are huge faggots.
Isaac Collins
Why are you here then?
Nathaniel Hernandez
this thread obviously isn't for you could you now kindly gtfo
Kevin Nelson
My history teacher keeps saying fascism is right wing. How do I tell him he is wrong?
Because you pieces of shit force everyone into your dumb ass conceptions of reality every time you get power.
Mengele and Unit 731 are more degenerate than any of the shit you all bitch about. You don’t believe in freedom of speech and I’d be fine with you being denied your speech in that very basis.
Juan Gray
The patron saints of Fascism
James Wilson
Probably the most Chad Facist. Good looks, literally btfo'd commies in rallies too.
Leo Mitchell
Mussolini, Mosley, Hitler, Corneliu. Who are the other two?
Anthony White
Capitalism is so nice who cares about a countries people the only thing that matters is production and profit if we need to replace the original population to fulfill that goal so be it
Josiah Long
Book of the new sun looks good, what's it about?
Tyler Ramirez
Don’t forget Degrelle
Owen Ward
Leon Degrelle leader of the Rexists in Belgium and José Antonio Primo de Rivera of Spain
Jonathan Nelson
Terragni's Casa Del Fascio is one of the great rationalist buildings; where minimalism and architecture goes right when it usually goes so wrong
Hunter Richardson
A question regarding corporatism. Suppose that the state deemed that a business/corporation was doing satisfactory yet the public did not. Are individuals able to form a competing business or corporation? Would the people be able to push for a change in management of that business? This is working with the assumption that the corporations are privately owned but must adhere to the state as their ultimate authority.
Isaac Walker
Founder of the Falangists
Mason Nguyen
>lots of us dont speak for other ppl
Cooper Campbell
Degrelle never shot a cop in broad daylight in front of dozens of witnesses and got away with it
Sebastian Green
Get off Sup Forums. You clearly don't have the mental fitness to post in what boils down to ideological fight club.
Josiah Reed
I'm on page 183 of "For My Legionaries." What do some other anons think of Codreanu and his book?
Landon Hill
>joined a thread I don't like and now I'm mad >how is this happening Cancer. Jump in a river reddit boy.
Levi Butler
I wonder why so many people got an interest in Codreanu. What thing or motive attract you about him? >inb4 Hail the Legion and the Captain
Anthony Powell
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Ian Gomez
You first. Poor little babies need ethnic safe spaces because other people are scary :(
Alexander Lee
He hasn't been shat upon by jews like other Fascists have been. I can talk about him IRL by name, and no one really freaks out like they would if I so much as mentioned Hitler.
Jonathan Watson
Sounds an awful lot like central planning.
Adrian Fisher
yes we dont want you losers in our exclusive club dont you get it?
Robert Morris
Mosley never saw himself as right wing Mussolini was a socialist Hitler was anti-Capitalists
But that only works if your teacher does not see politics in a line, with the right being autoritarian and the left being pro-freedom Introcude him to the 2D political compass
Jack Sanders
Kind of obscure + hasn't been (((demonized))) like other leaders + For my Legionaries is a great book.
Daniel Gray
Maybe not in the west, but in Romania he is personified like the devil.
James Jones
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Robert Carter
>you can't criticize my beliefs pls leave now >you don't have the mentality fitness to post in our fash threads and prey to kek for an ethnostate like us God you people are so fucking pathetic.
Isaiah Davis
>What thing or motive attract you about him? For My Legionaries is one of the most captivating books on politics I've ever read. My views align far closer to Mosley than Codreanu, but Codreanu is an incredible writer, and a hero
Nicholas Cruz
Why do they hate him? Everything I've read so far is that he was supported by the youth and the peasantry. I know shit went bad because of Judaic-Bolshevism, but is there a real reason?
Ian Campbell
I'm so fed up with you diseased shit skins from reddit who are so displaced and unwanted you're beyond furious at every single white person you come across. Kill yourself any time.
Henry Hughes
Gas the fucking Jews and end pornography. That’s my endeavor as a psychiatrist.
Did you finish For My Legionaries yet? I just picked it up a few weeks ago.
Sebastian Johnson
Reminder that it doesn't matter if the Holocaust happened or not, since the kikes were already planning on genociding the white race by the 1920s. See the Kalergi Plan
Adam Perry
No fuck you. Exposing the truth is ALWAYS the right way to go. Push the window, don't cuck to the kike induced hatred of Nazis. Hitler needs to be redeemed before we can ever move forward.
Aaron Jackson
What do you guys think of The American Blackshirt Party?
Blake Cruz
I've been trying to juggle reading multiple books at once and For My Legionaries has gotten neglected a bit. iirc I'm about halfway through
Joseph Jenkins
Is it true that Mussolini said fascism is "Everything under the state, nothing outside of the state" or was that taken out of context or fabricated?
Justin Lopez
If you fucked off to some place to live out on a local level I would not give a shit.
Unfortunately, you faggots impose yourselves on everyone else. It’s like all the complaints you have about Islam, the rest of us would love if you got deported to Madagascar
Jose Phillips
You pathetic faggots always screech "LEDDIT SHILLS" because it's the only way your can justify in your mind how someone couldn't agree with your retarded nazi worshiping.
Cameron Gomez
I'm a NatSoc follower, but I will give my fellow brothers a bump.
Wyatt Wood
>tfw you will never fight for the blueshirts Codreanu was a fucking madman and a good writer. I can't help but admire the guy.
Isaiah Rivera
Have you gotten to Prefect Manciu yet?
Hunter Hill
Strasserism is a meme ideology
Jordan Wood
Nobody gives a fuck about race as much as you nazi faggots.
Hudson Gutierrez
Your shitskin IQs are showing.
Lucas King
People from Kentucky care about races. They even bet on superiority.
Luis Carter
the cop he shot? I stopped right after the trial I think
Anthony Murphy
>posting Amerimutt memes in a fascism general Either reddit or Sup Forums. Either way, fuck off
Mason Taylor
I love you leaf.
Juan Lewis
>implying they're not one and the same now I miss the old Sup Forums more than the old Sup Forums
Nolan Ward
people like you are the reason today's world is a degenerate consumerist wasteland with a lack for any meaning for our existence how about you fags fuck off to Africa and We'll take back what is rightfully ours
Adam Rodriguez
How do you guys feel about Neofolk/Martial industrial?
Gavin Myers
I'm only about 40 pages ahead of you then.
Kayden Sullivan
The majority of people is ignorant about this subject or hate him because the 50 years of communist brainwashing told them that he was a criminal. Anything associated with the Iron Guard was viewed as a criminal offence, even the colour green in some situations. In today's public opinion, the " intelectuals" ( many who are still commie underdogs) speak about him as he was a cold blooded killer. Not many know about the political manipulations in the '30s when the libereral and corservative party killed a lot of legionnaires for not achieving majority in the polls and the Captain was a victim of the murderous regime of the King Carol II. Indeed he was a national here of the romanian nation that wanted to libereate its people from the jewish influence and sadly, like every hero in our history we killed them like dogs cursing our fate and our children's future.
I would add to this list: >For My Legionaries by Corneliu Codreanu. >Ride the Tiger by Julius Evola >Revolt against the Modern World by Julius Evola. Though maybe not for complete beginners as Evola's work is very spiritual and extreme with Revolt Against the Modern World in particular branded as "more dangerous than Mein Kampf"
He was alpha as fuck, the normies don't know him,he knew what he wanted, he loved his nation and loved his followers. He despised Communists, He despised Jews and he felt that his movement was part of the new power in Europe. A family of fascists to face the Red Beast. One for the north(Germany), one for the east(Romania),One for the west(Spain) and one for the south(Italy). >tfw makes me get emotional everytime youtube.com/watch?v=LC_dzaI5U6I
The (((media))) are figuring it out though and featured him in a few articles with shit like "The neo-fascists put Codreanu back in the spotlight" so if it hits a major leftist site, he could become taboo the same way Hitler and Mussolini are. I've even noticed him mentioned(negatively) online such as the modding subreddit for Kaiserreich. They like to use the "meat hook" meme everytime they mention him aswell as post Islamist images and caption it "Iron Guard find out Jews still live in Bucharest colorised 1937" etc. I don't say anything as it would reveal to much about me on there, so I bite my tongue metaphorically speaking.
Michael Rogers
>ywn march down the streets while singing camisa azul
Justin Green
I don't mind real NatSocs who've actually read Mein Kampf and Feder, but too many just watch 2 minute propaganda videos and decide they are now NatSoc.
