‘The memes are so potent because they are designed to be subversive and to bait their opponents into a reaction’
>Almost a decade ago, Matt Goerzen, a Canadian artist and social scientist, stumbled into the world of subversive internet chatrooms. He was fascinated — and alarmed. Goerzen could see that the anonymity of the internet was enabling a virulently angry, anti-establishment community to emerge on platforms such as “Sup Forums”, where users post under pseudonyms with little or no moderation. And while these groups did not initially seem very political (the message boards were notorious instead for puerile humour and pornography), as the years passed they became infused with an “alt-right” agenda — that of the white nationalist movement. They also became adept at launching online attacks on their opponents, or “trolling”. The artist in Goerzen observed something else: what made the alt-right so influential was that the users were not just using words to communicate their messages, but snappy visual images too. Both Sup Forums and infinite chan, a similar platform, were originally created as “image boards”, focused on pictures rather than text — a format first created in Japan, where they were used to share manga and anime. Alt-right users had become adept at creating visual “memes”, to use the phrase coined by Richard Dawkins, the evolutionary biologist, back in the 1970s, to describe a “unit of cultural transmission” that spread from “mind to mind”.
>"These [white nationalists] are a small group of people,” explains Goerzen, who now works as a researcher at a New York-based project called Data and Society, which studies modern cyberculture and media. “But these groups can deliver an outsized impact because of their ability to push the right buttons to bait the media.” Those memes, in other words, have wings. It is an important point to ponder, particularly given the furore this month in Washington around racist imagery, and the degree to which malevolent political forces (in Russia, for example) have been using social media to discredit and delegitimise political debate. When reports emerged that President Donald Trump hadused the word “shithole” to describe countries such as Haiti or Nigeria, mainstream observers were understandably appalled. But many alt-right message groups were thrilled. “Shithole” is a tag that has circulated in these message groups for a long time, giving birth to a range of memes. “Ha, CNN is actually saying shithole,” crowed one commenter on Sup Forums. Another participant said, amid a stream of cartoons and messages on the subject: “Who wants to colour in the world in five shades of brown?”
Daniel Peterson
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Lucas Cook
Which is better, propaganda that comes from truth, or propaganda that comes from lies? Goebbels said that the truth makes the best propaganda. Although it's not hard to twist the communist method to be more favorable.
Josiah Martinez
>b-but I heard 6 million died in the holocaust! Normies swallow 6 gorillion because they never critically examine such a grisly topic, believing (((Hollywood))) and Allied history is 100% factual
>b-but what about the Nuremberg trials! Some Nazis admitted war crimes, so it must be true Hitler had a Final Solution to kill all the Jews! Allies tortured German POWs. Gerstein claimed 25 million were killed, does that sound believable? At Dachau Nazis had their testicles kicked in and crushed beyond repair
At Auschwitz, (((Soviets))) said 4 million died in gas chambers. Today, the death toll sits at 1.1 million (from ALL causes), though still grossly inflated going by Red Cross reports >Auschwitz - Why The Gas Chambers Are A Myth: hooktube.com/watch?v=PE56dcgGVMs
>b-but it wasn't just Auschwitz! At Majdanek, (((Soviets))) said 2 million were killed in gas chambers. Now they say The Majdanek Gas Chamber Myth: hooktube.com/watch?v=pDsJtB2F9i8
>b-but the Reinhard death camps: Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec! There is little to support the claim that tens of thousands, let alone 1.3 MILLION died >1/3rd of the Holocaust (debunked): hooktube.com/watch?v=7dxsVSzL4HE
>b-but Nazis made lampshades out of tattooed Jewish inmates! The lampshade myth comes from a propaganda film made to de-Nazify Germany by a US Psych Warfare unit >Buchenwald: A Dumb Dumb Portrayal of Evil: hooktube.com/watch?v=3HlPcaP9x5o
>b-but I've seen Steven Spielberg's Survivors of the Shoah! Watch the following >The Last Days of the Big Lie hooktube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8
>o-ok, let's suppose you're right. Why does it matter?! It matters because no one can criticize the Jews without being labeled an anti-semite. Denial is ILLEGAL in 20 countries >The JQ: hooktube.com/watch?v=IKy3fCvMz-8
Owen Williams
Keep this shit bumped faggots. Massive d&c effort happening tonight.
Ryder Harris
We control the narrative.
Colton Richardson
Jesus Christ they are so out of touch. Notice how when they said >”When reports emerged that President Donald Trump had used the word “shithole” to describe countries such as Haiti or Nigeria, mainstream observers were understandably appalled.” they never explain WHY observers should be appalled. Just like the wording in “common sense” gun control, it doesn’t actually say anything as if the answer is supposed to be obvious.
Cooper Thompson
>having to ask
Joseph Cooper
The gas chambers are a myth, just like the myth that Nazis made soap out of human fat (from Jewish concentration camp prisoners).
The soap myth began as a rumor in the camps. Soap given to prisoners was embossed with the soap company's initials, which Jews took to stand for "Pure Jewish Fat". That was the only "evidence" they had for the accusation, which was later debunked by historians, but Jews continued to repeat the soap myth well into the 1990s. Such is the power of stories that are believed on faith rather than evidence.
"Holocaust survivors" admit they heard rumors about gas chambers from other Jews before even arriving at a concentration camp. Thus if a Jew lost a loved one during the war, they simply assumed they had gone to the gas chambers. Even after the Allies investigated a camp and determined it was *not* a death camp, inmates still repeated the story because they felt they were doing a good thing for the "victims". Insodoing the myth is reinforced without a shred of truth or evidence.
Gas chambers existed, but were for fumigating clothes and bedding to exterminate Typhus-spreading lice. It was a life-saving measure in all camps (including army barracks with no prisoners). That's why survivors often include details like haircuts & showers (also to eliminate lice). Despite these efforts, typhus (aka "camp fever") resulted in 200k deaths by the end of the war (Red Cross reports). That's why the camps needed crematories. But those deaths weren't planned, in fact the Germans tried to prevent them, and total nowhere near 6,000,000.
You can hear directly from Jews, and learn more about the improbability of the story, why the numbers claimed to have been killed in gas chambers at Auschwitz is scientifically & technically impossible, in the following videos. Watch it & make up your own mind.
They're winning because it's the truth, lady .. but we know you can't say that.
Kevin Gonzalez
Ockham's razor supports holocaust denial. There's literally no evidence supporting anything mass genocide in scale. Every time I see it defended online it's always some cryptic phrases in letters from Hitler or Goebbels using the word "exterminate" but nothing is ever spelt out. It would be like taking "gas the kikes, race war now" seriously. All the alleged deathcamps were behin the iron curtain. I mean for fuck's sake...
Jace Parker
Big if true.
Benjamin Adams
The left cant meme
Aiden Torres
Wait, she just drew a direct parallel between Martin Luther upending the Catholic Church and the alt-right.
But that's a good thing, especially to the liberal mind. Why would you make that analogy when you're trying to paint your opponent as a problem?
>if there is any way for people to counter the alt-right memes
Step one, realise you invented the alt-right label and you can't attack your boogeyman because they don't even see themselves as "alt-right".
Step two, the most serious and stuck up loses in a game of comedy. This is why the left dominated comedy up until about a decade ago, because the conservative mainstream still held sway and had a stick up their ass about shit as trivial as making fun of Jesus. Anyone still making fun of Jesus and christians as if they're kicking in doors is a fucking moron (and there are many) and it shows. It's cringeworthy.
So what's the first thing that happens when the balance tips? Fedora memes.
Jeremiah Ward
Whatever happened to
IT'S OKAY TO BE WHITE
Kevin Diaz
Morphed into MBMC best I can tell
Jace Adams
did I miss something? What's mbmc
Noah Morris
Shit, I never even heard of that.
I liked IT'S OKAY TO BE WHITE
Asher Jackson
My Border My Choice. It's getting pushed pretty hard
Zachary Ramirez
My boarders my choice. It's fucking genius.
Elijah Lee
it is slowly dawning on them that they are the gate keepers of an outdated religion.
Cameron Hall
>Overwhelmed By Increasingly Sinister Memes
Aaron Jones
oh. That's older than ok to be white though, it just never caught on. Also ok to be white actually made frontpage news and was declared racist. It went exactly as planned. I've not seen nor to I predict the same reaction to mbmc.
Angel Anderson
"its not okay to be white" would be more effective propaganda and would push more whites into a corner
Mason Howard
Maximum shilling is shitting up the board tonight, OPing shill threads 20 a minute. We win because we are right, and we are telling the truth. It's easier to win when you are right and the other person is wrong before you begin.
Levi Harris
same reason liberal discourse focuses on constantly talking about hate, love, fear, anger emotional metadata why even bother telling the people what to think when you can tell them how to feel?
Asher White
>trusting journalists to get Luther and his legacy >even trusting people who are on the right to understand what Luther and the reformation in general meant
As the liberal ideology is more and more entrenched, they find themselves identifying more with the institutional opposition to Luther. Also Catholics are higher ranking in the oppression olympics than Protestants (who are quintessentially white and oppressive) and therefore favored by the modern left.
What's funny is that Moldbug can identify the modern establishment and its values as "the cathedral", a metaphor from the late medieval church, yet still remains antipathetic toward Luther.
TL;DR Luther is unfashionable. Erasmus or the more radical reformers are preferred.
Easton Howard
It's because we're on the right side of history. Anyone remember how much fun we had making stuff up during the election? Do you think it was fun on Hillary's side? Ha no.
Elijah Ross
Good post.
Luke Ortiz
Moldbug/Yarvin is a Jew. Jews hate Luther because he was wise to their kikery.
Eli Howard
very unusual jew though.
Jaxon Lee
I simply have no frame of reference to relate to someone so completely, utterly, obliviously immersed in normalfaggotry. It has been a decade and a half and they have scarcely advanced beyond a vague conception of The Hacker Known As Sup Forums, probably billions of dollars and millions of man-hours of research poured into studying us and where they're at is "the racist ideology known as the 'alt-right' ("PEPE!")"
Ayden Thomas
the guide to the alt right for concerned soccer moms
Hunter Diaz
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Jayden Clark
>My kid's little league coach taught him to be a raging nazi! >A concerned mother's ordeal
Charles Thompson
confirmed
Joshua Green
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Julian Perry
Luther ruined Europe by plunging it into endless religious wars and dividing it's people. The continent which was united at least by a common religion if nothing else. Prove me wrong.
Robert Rodriguez
>Dank Luther memes
Elijah Sanchez
>mfw they're still insisting Sup Forums is Russia
Noah White
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Chase Thomas
Our memes are based fundamental truths.
Leftist memes are based strawman arguments and falsehoods.
Gavin Allen
Ass blasted “journalists” call everything to the right of Hillary “alt-right”.
Jaxson Rogers
lol
Sebastian Perry
its because they tell the truth
Jayden Walker
no but see, they like Catholicism now because the current Pope is a Marxist cuck.
Also, as a Presbyterian, my memes being compared to Luther & the Reformation gives me warm fuzzies.
James Stewart
>The continent which was united at least by a common religion if nothing else. >Prove me wrong. But it wasn't. First of all there was the Orthodox vs Western Catholic schism.
Then you have the Western schism.
And even before that you have ongoing pissing matches between various monarchs and the pope resulting in the excommunication of entire countries. See Henry IV at Canossa.
Brayden Gomez
non paywalled archive link you street shitting faggot
Austin Diaz
who needs antisemitic propaganda when their own fucking "sacred texts" reveal what vile scum they are?
Religious wars weren't fundamentally different from the wars that happened before. Western Europe saw longer periods of peace under mixed Protestantism/Catholicism than before, this was caused more by ethnic conflicts than religious ones. The Church was hopelessly corrupt when Luther came along, not least because of allowing Jews in to subvert things. Maybe Luther went too far, but then he didn't intend to force a split. He only wanted reform.
William Anderson
>And while these groups did not initially seem very political (the message boards were notorious instead for puerile humour and pornography), as the years passed they became infused with an “alt-right” agenda — that of the white nationalist movement. youtube.com/watch?v=-_pix9YV17U
I JUST WANTED TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES. I JUST WANTED TO PLAY FUCKING VIDEO GAMES.
Liam Stewart
>designed to be subversive msm is way more subversive they're fighting "alt-right" phantoms it's the memes they need to address, if not they lose but they don't dare
Carson Young
A lot of what we do shouldn't shock anyone. They are only so triggered because they are so programmed with PC. It's their position which is the extreamist one and that's why after the shock of the red pill people are being brought to the a reasoned and reasonable position.
Jack Johnson
cheked, that one with Jayonnaise was pretty good tho
Brody Sullivan
Supposedly people are supposed to be spam posting MBMC on campuses tonight. Look for a shitstorm tomorrow.
Kevin Morris
Luthor was excommunicated a year or two before Machiavelli died. Read "The Prince". Does Machiavelli make Europe sound "united" in any way?
Jaxson King
I love how the left's response was "well, uh, the RIGHT can't meme!"
Oliver Miller
>meme coins make anons rich >shitposing memes changes the world what a time to be alive
Benjamin Garcia
>tfw no forbidden, poor, busty Polish farm wife to smuggle back to the Reich
i came to this place deliberately to not feel
Owen James
It's because we're on the right side of history
It's easy to free people intellectually or otherwise than to put chains on them.
William Johnson
He was specifically talking about principalities in Italy, and even then he may have been taking the piss out of the guy he wrote it for whose name I forget. He had his life basically taken from him and was banished, why the fuck would he write a serious book giving good advice to the guy who did that to him?
John Phillips
AR isn't doing shit, the left is too coddled to the point even the most innocuous shit sends them into a frothing mouthed frenzy.
David Williams
The alt-right lost the meme war, it peaked with Trump and has been dying in a fire ever since. All your memes are shitty and old by now too, the only semi-recent one is "soy boy" and that's just nu-male 2.0
Joseph Collins
The reason the left and normies can't meme is because their memes aren't genuine. The meme is a spiritual and evolutionary battle. Good memes live, bad memes die. Reddit is a barnyard. Sup Forums is the jungle.
Connor Anderson
we're the new protest movement, that means we're dope af senpai
Sebastian Green
>He was specifically talking about principalities in Italy You should realize that the principalities in Italy were fucked up because the Papal State wanted a large area of buffer states without any kind of unified government.
Michael Morales
memes are a modern form of humor effective humor is rooted in the truth modern liberalism is built on lies this is why the left cannot meme
Jayden Kelly
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Sebastian Morales
Alt Right is controlled opposition >I wonder who is behind this post
Kevin Johnson
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Wyatt Turner
>little or no moderation
>oy vey if only we banned subversive speech there would be no subversive thought and then we could usher in Weimar 2.0
Brody Gonzalez
I'd say we are filling the void that the mainstream media left. Television and the film industry don't have the same influence they used to. The internet is the future and that's our territory. Not the kikes. We have the home field advantage. We understand the internet far better than they do. And we also understand the tactics THEY have been using for years so we can incorporate that into our plans as well. We understand how they think and can manipulate them. They on the other hand have proven they don't understand us, or internet culture in general very well at all
Mason Campbell
I don't make memes for likes on facebook, that's why
Ryan Butler
>muh russia when do I get my FUCKING rubles
Jace Jackson
damn right were winning. we're smarter than they are.
David King
Alt right logo is a bad meme
Logan Bell
unironically how would you define us though? We don't have a coherent label. We're not republicans, we're not far-right, we're not libertarians. Alt right has clearly been coopted if not outright created in an attempt to subvert whatever this is. But there are a shitload of us, we elected a president and we don't really have a name for what we are.
Jackson Taylor
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Charles Long
The Operation Reinhard camps are the most ridiculous claim of the holohoax, they focus on it less because of how outlandish the narrative is
Jayden Phillips
Soo many old Sup Forums memes, they don't understand the context or history as to why they work. They will never defeat us
Camden Lee
The reason that the right can meme is that the left sets up very fragile dogmatic positions that they insist be respected. All the right has to do is undermine those positions.
The right has already had their sacred cows slaughtered long ago, and no longer explicates dogmatic statements or even goes so far as to conceal them in order to keep them safe. A classic example of the left having trouble meming against the right is stuff like the God account on twitter or the Jesus was a refugee meme. It assumes that the right is Christian and must jump to reconcile politics and their faith, after decades of telling Christians to STFU and keep it to themselves no less. It assumes that the right is Christian even though many on the right are secular. And it assumes that members of the right who are Christian somehow need to answer to them, while right wing christians feel no obligation to even respond.
Kevin Reyes
> 'the memes are so potent because they are designed to be subversive and to bait their opponents into a reaction' There are so many things wrong in that sentence, it looks like it was written by an 11 years old retarded schoolgirl. I really hope it is fake.
Elijah Green
Unfortunately though they have colonized and are successfully geocoding the internet. We have few enclaves left. Look at what happened to gaming, the same thing will happen to the internet. Unless some crazy billionaire like shkreli sets up a designated shitposting site and doesn't ever care if it turns a profit we're living in a doomed environment. At best we'll have shitty little independent websites just like we have shitty little independent games nowadays instead of AAA blockbusting phenomenons
Brandon Perez
This is true. /pol forgets that most people have no fucking clue how insane the Talmud is.
>Age you can fuck someone? 3
Adrian Hernandez
Get out and help faggot!
Luke Wright
our memes tell the truth. Laughing or crying is up to you
Elijah Moore
This nigga gets it.
Levi Foster
Sup Forums's crack ISM Division
Jack Turner
How can you get this thus wrong?
Russia had no influence on the election esp. Wrt ads on YouTube. They spent 10k vs hundreds of millions from candidates
Shithole wasn't an alt right word
Xavier Ward
Also wabt to mention that the 6 million number is in the torah. And that 6 million jews need to be given as a "burnt sacrifice" (read as holocaust) before jews can return to their homeland.
Jeremiah Barnes
That is a copy paste of the Art of War, but written for pic related tier commies.
Brody Roberts
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Christopher Kelly
So tell me, how many jews do you think they killed during WWII, rough estimate?
Robert Scott
Like, 75?
Joshua Ortiz
I don't think that will work out too well for them. The left thinks that using censorship and sheer force will stop a culture from moving in a certain direction. We've already had an incredibly amount of influence. And there's already a massive backlash against the lefts dirty tactics. They are now seen as the bad guys.
Gavin Ortiz
Pretty much this, left has too many vulnerable points that can easily be exploited, in fact those same sacred cows are being targeted by members of their own camp.
Anthony White
1.9-2.3 million was the initial estimate. Some say as little as 200k. But definitely not 6 million.
Brayden Taylor
zernonet, i2p, freenet, tor, OpenNIC, step up faggatron.
