Why is Madoka so popular?

Why is Madoka so popular?

Every pairing works.

Because it subverted the typical magical girl cliches and was a sad tragedy.

Girls can't love fucking girls, faggot.

deconstruction

Well written story and well developed characters by a well known director

People were tired of CGDCT

So they made CGDCT with some dramatic music in the background

No true anime enthusiast would consider MSMM a particularly notable or interesting work. Rather it is edgy pablum for millennials, jammed with all of the masochistic 20th century philosophy they so adore, its aesthetic tedious pseudo-dadaist drivel one would expect to find floating at the bottom of something designed by R.Mutt.

Each episode following Madoka and her pals from Mitakihara as they fight assorted witches is indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert. The so-called "suffering" of the protagonists is thrust upon them not for the sake of adventure or struggle, but rather for the lurid pornographic enjoyment of its viewership. If you enjoyed MSMM, you might as well delete all your anime and replace it with hardcore BDSM fetish pornography, because it is functionally identical and equally boring.

Because lesbians being miserable and getting fucked over by a alien cat thing

>Well written story
Except for the plot holes

>well developed characters
3/5 of main girls have very little development though

>well known director
99% of anime fans don't pay attention to directors

>Except for the plot holes


Oh I'd love to hear what you think the plot holes in Madoka are.

inb4 hurr why didn't homura try x y z

Why not wish for elmo to sing his song to calm the witches.

>go back in time
>convince Sayaka to wish for what Madoka eventually did

Problems solved

What was this pasta originally about? The Beatles or Star Wars?

Either way, I'm gonna start using it in my shitposts.

Except that's canonically impossible because the only reason Madoka's wish was fulfilled was that she had accreted a preternatually large store of emotional energy from Homura's looping.

Try again.

No true anime enthusiast would consider Kinmoza a particularly notable or interesting work. Rather it is treacly pablum for millennials, jammed with all of the sedative 20th century philosophy they so adore, its aesthetic tedious pseudo-dadaist drivel one would expect to find floating at the bottom of something designed by Lisa Frank.

Each episode following Alice and her pals from England and Japan as they try to confess and then deny their sapphic feelings for each is indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the cute imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of yuri, all to make lesbianism boring, to make love seem inert. The so-called "romance" of the protagonists is thrust upon them not for the sake of adventure or struggle, but rather for the lurid pornographic enjoyment of its viewership. If you enjoyed Kinmoza, you might as well delete all your anime and replace it with any other yuri anime, because it is functionally identical and equally boring.

It's the Evangelion of anime.

It's been a long time since I watched this but aren't incubators the ones that grant wishes?

The fact that so many anime critics still name Madoka Magica as “the greatest or most significant or most influential” mahou shoujo ever only tells you how far anime still is from becoming a serious art. Western cartoon critics have long recognized that the greatest cartoons of all times are Bugs Bunny and Johnny Bravo, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Television critics rank the highly controversial Sopranos over classical shows who were highly popular in the tubes around the world. Anime critics are still blinded by commercial success. Madoka sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Cartoon critics grow up watching a lot of cartoons of the past, television critics grow up watching a lot of shows of the past. Anime critics are often totally ignorant of the anime of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that Madoka did anything worthy of being saved.

Yes

>the only reason Madoka's wish was fulfilled was that she had accreted a preternatually large store of emotional energy from Homura's looping.
Bullshit, it never says that

it quite explicitly does and is essential to understanding everything that happens in episode 12.

This is why Sup Forums should not try to talk about madoka.

Yes it does. Kyubey explains that because Homura turned back time over and over for the purpose of saving Madoka, it increased Madoka's karmic importance each time by converging her importance in each failed timeline onto the current timeline.

Madoka was paraded around by Kyubey as being extremely powerful all series. Her wish could only be done by her because of that fact.
Take it off 2x speed and actually pay attention to what you're watching.

Stole all the good parts from Ryuki

Madoka had extra power in her because of Homura's time travels, but it didn't make her able to wish for stronger wishes. It never says that

>Johnny Bravo among the greats
>not Rocky and Bullwinkle

Pleb.

since I you're apparently too dumb to just rewatch the show yourself, I guess I will have to literally watch it for you.

>This is why Sup Forums should not try to talk about madoka.

It seems like there's always some boneheaded idiot who is incapable of understanding some obvious part of the plot and people end up replying over and over trying in vain to explain it. Today it's

Not bad.

it's the same thing with eva and a lot of other shows probably. Sup Forums is garbage.

It really wasn't a tragedy when none of the deaths happened at the end.

I want to have sex with megucas
All of them
At same time
That's about it, I think.

The story has sad tragedies, although that doesn't have to mean the entire thing is a sad tragedy. The ending to the series is as hopeful as it could've been in fact.

Babby's first "dark" anime with a moe exterior.

Because it's great. Quick pacing, incredibly solid story structure, unique art, an amazing attention to detail QUALITY aside, and a story that both managed to keep you guessing week to week while also being really good on rewatch since the twists brought different perspectives.

Most of all though, it's the characters which really resonated with people. The amount of fan stuff the show spawned was unreal.

Sayaka still dies at the end of show, just in a better way. Of course the tragedy is really about Madoka and Homura.

I'm sorry for calling you dumb user it's just that I'm very angry about madoka.

because AI YO

this

I fucking hate fate.
Why did the plot have to revolve around fate?
Who determines fate?
Why does being more important make you more powerful?
It seems so arbitrary.
It's just fucking retarded.
I have to engage in some major mental gymnastics in order to like the show as much as I do.
Maybe the incubators don't know shit about magic and is just making shit up.
Didn't they say the whole reason humans can do magic is because of their emotions?
They could have just said Madoka was so powerful because she feels the strongest emotions and thus has more powerful magic.
Or am I an idiot and that's exactly how it worked?

Madoka only was "fated" to be more powerful because of Homura's time fuckery. For whatever reason (because Homura's wish was centered around Madoka I think, been a while), Madoka gets the power and influence of all the time lines, so each time Homura went back Madoka became more powerful and more important. She didn't start that way, she was an average magic girl in the original time line

Perhaps it's your fate not to understand.

>Why did the plot have to revolve around fate?

It doesn't.

>Why does being more important make you more powerful?

It doesn't. Madoka was more powerful because her wish was catalyzed by a greater amount of emotional energy (namely, all the emotional energy which attached to her throughout Homura's looping).

>They could have just said Madoka was so powerful because she feels the strongest emotions and thus has more powerful magic.

Madoka's position as a karmic nexus entails her possession of supernaturally high amounts of magic-producing emotion because the "cause and effect" she determines is whether Homura continues to loop, and so all of Homura's emotions and the emotions of every other person effected by another loop can be used to catalyze Madoka's wish.

this is really important to understand (and I have explained it to multiple people on Sup Forums multiple times this week already) because it's only by tapping into emotional energy from literally beyond space-time that defeating walpurgisnacht is possible.

"Emotional Energy" is one of the dumbest concepts ever invented and it shows up way too often in tons of media

If you can time travel, fate is not a factor.

I mean it's the central plot device of Madoka so if you don't like it's not surprising if you don't like the show.

"fate" is basically "impact"

The central idea of the show is that humans have souls and their emotions create energy.
I quite like it. Magic that comes from what you think and feel is more appealing to me than some resource that you can manipulate.

to clarify the last part of this post: madoka's wish used not only emotional energy from a potential future loop, but from all past loops, conveyed to her through Homura. This is what qb means when he calls her a "karmic nexus".

The best way to think of it is that it was Madoka's fate to beat Whargorbalnach because Homura wished for it to occur, albeit in slightly indirect manner. The wish eventually came true, as they all do

I share the opinion of many others in this subject: Madoka was popular because it was not like the rest.
I know, this opinion is a common place, it adds nothing new but is the truth.
Many people that would have never touched a mahou shoujo anime without a 5 ft stick wondered if Madoka was worth the try.
Most people that i know do not regret their choice.
And of course, placing it on a pedestal is completely wrong, it was good and popular but that does not mean it was flawless or brilliant.

surprise! edgy teenage males like edgy shounenshit! even with the mahou shoujo mask.

>tragedy
you don't know what a tragedy is.

>well written well developed
the immortal time traveler who's too emotional to realize the ramifications of her powers? or the shoehorned """branching determinism"""? there's no such thing as a time travel story with no paradoxes(plot holes).

there isn't a single thing CGDCT about madoka. I don't think you know what the genre means. cute girls =/= cute girls doing cute things.

unironically this. homura is immortal. the story stops being interesting there. the only reason there is any story is because she's an illogical unreasonable stupid retard with emotional problems. re:zero suffers the same problem.

madoka is a 6/10 series. always has been, always will be. I like it even less because it's a perversion of the mahou shoujo genre(the pinnacle of anime).

>I like it even less because it's a perversion of the mahou shoujo genre(the pinnacle of anime).

opinion discarded.

>Fight to have your wish granted
>Your wish has been granted so you have to fight to pay for it
Because those two things are pretty much the same right?

if you don't think mahou shoujo is the best genre it's because you are a beginner to mid-level anime enthusiast. it combines all of the best elements and shaves away all of the unnecessary ones.

grow up, anime baby.

>People were tired of CGDCT
in 2011?

>if you don't think mahou shoujo is the best genre it's because you are a beginner to mid-level anime enthusiast.


hahahaha kill yourself nerd.

>she's an illogical unreasonable stupid retard with emotional problems
So she's a teenager.

That guy's a faggot but you're also a faggot. Don't talk shit about mahou shoujo.

>madoka is a 6/10 series. always has been, always will be. I like it even less because it's a perversion of the mahou shoujo genre(the pinnacle of anime).

this will be good as copypasta.

>it's okay if the character and the story sucks because she's a teenager!
there are nine year old characters who don't take shit from nobody.

Cutesey characters coupled with hardcore grimdark, angst and despair.

some would call Sakura a one dimensional caricature of an actual human girl but whatever floats your boat dweeb

>This is why Sup Forums should not try to talk about madoka
But the last Madoka thread we had was really nice.

Suffering sells.

probably only because I wasn't there to yell at everyone.

>there are nine year old characters who don't take shit from nobody.

Sounds like some stupid fantasy shit that needs to be deconstruc-- oh wait.

A character not acting completely logically doesn't make the character suck.
What matters is that there are good in-story reasons for that character's actions.

>still posting this tepid bait
lel

Is it worth a thousand shitty threads for one nice one?

Did you mean to spell Sayaka?

there's enough reddit refugees that will reply to it that it's still effective

nope! Sayaka actually pays for her moral pretensions.

So this is what a normal Madoka thread is like? I was expecting this, but it still feels bad. I thought I'd found the last good fanbase on Sup Forums where people actually discussed shit.

It's normally much worse

of course, and it's such a laughable claim that it doesn't merit anything but condescending chortles in response.

>calling one of the most subtly written female characters in anime """one dimensional"""
start insulting bach's music and van gogh's paintings while you're at it you desperate contrarian insect

>So this is what a normal Madoka thread is like?
no, this is still in the 90th+ percentile of madoka threads

No, this is still above par.

haha wow how wrong you were.

We do get good threads sometimes. Sometimes.

The personal flaws are what makes Madoka's characters good, and gives characters more depth in general. I don't need to hear this stuff about a character being better because she doesn't make as many mistakes or has a less broken personal philosophy, we get enough of this nonsense from Shirou fans already.

>calling one of the most subtly written female characters in anime

I'm fuckin laughing

go watch some more "pinnacle of anime" bud

yeah like having a literally infinite amount of time to figure out a problem or even transcend the issue as immortality has been achie--oh wait that's boring as fuck.

at least I finished madoka. steins and re:zero had me yawning so hard at the imaginary problems that I didn't make it to the last episodes.

He Who Must Not Be Named has still not shown up for some reason.

madoka is a good character. so is sayaka, the only truly well-written arc in the show. they are trapped in a bad anime ruined by an awful character(homura) whom the series hinges upon.

>yeah like having a literally infinite amount of time to figure out a problem or even transcend the issue as immortality
You just described Homura.

Speaking if, I keep on seeing comparisons between Characters from Fate and Madoka because the Butcher had a hand in both. Are those comparisons valid? Homura being a cross between Kiritsugu in that she's a no-nonsense pragmatist, with HF Shirou's single minded devotion for one person added into the mix.

Homura does not have an infinite amount of time to fix things. Every time she tries it makes things worse, it makes the karmic burden on Madoka greater and increases the separation between her and Madoka. She gives up at the end of episode 11 for a reason.

>they are trapped in a bad anime ruined by an awful character(homura) whom the series hinges upon.

wow this is an unusually bad opinion.

What's there to discuss? This shitty franchise has been dead for 4 years.

Homura gives so few fucks.

The thread only truly goes to shit when the guy is referring to shows up.

The touhou of anime, characters so flat and 1 dimensional everyone's fanfic about them isn't contradicted.

...

They still discuss Eva, and that's been over for far longer.

Who is this mysterious shitposter? The last few threads have all touched on him. It's beginning to sound like the Sup Forums version of Walpurgisnacht.

repeating the same month isn't much for immortality, and she doesn't get to respawn if she dies or gives up.

yes, that was their point

Butcher wrote Zero, and the comparisons for that are probably pretty valid. Stay Night was written by Nasu, who is Urobuchi's friend.

you're not very clever, user.

she's literally immortal.
>karmic burden
shoehorned plot device. yawn. she gives up because she's weak.
>giving up immortality
only a boring retard would do this

if you don't like subaru but like homura, you are a walking contradiction. they are the same character.