What happened during the holocaust

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They were right, it never happened.

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Either it didn't happen and thus Hitler never fought the Jews, or it did happen and Hitler killed 6 million Jews.

american jews hired hitler to start a gigantic anti-white european crusade, and kill the few un-willing european jews in the process.

most top nazi generals are fucking kikes, with gigantic kike noses, and goebbels and himmler loved to bathe in all the stolen gold they took from whites.
imagine the uncle duck from the Duck Tales swimming in stolen gold and works of art.

Oy vey

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That's some spicy conspiracy theory. However, I don't think NatSoc Germany could survive either way. Even before the outbreak of the war there were major shortages in Germany. More so, after France there was no chance for peace anymore. The Allies didn't care one bit about Poland and the rest of Eastern European nations but attacking France was a big no-no.

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Don't forget the nazi masturbation machines which milked he jews dry.

My grandpa was a prisoner in a camp, he didnt see extermination going on.
The Germans were terrible at governing people though, most people in NL were hungry and the Germans stole our bicycles just for fun, people rode their bikes to find farmers who had a little food for them, sometimes for 100's of kilometers.
At one point people resorted to eating wallpaper and bulbs.

it doesn't matter, that was one of 350-odd shoahs. jews are the original dindunuffins

1>Dr Charles Larson's account clearly states that some of the bodies he autopsied were gassed.

2> see pic attached.

3> no german communications that were monitored by the british ever mentioned any german soldier wiping his bottom, but we think they may have done this. (alternatively, the germans tended to give orders in person and communicate by sending officers and couriers - wireless messages were reserved for those things that are urgent action orders. The tour of the camps by Himmler and later Heydreich was to make arrangements and give orders on the ground - and the camps had frequent written communication with the central authorities - no one ever needed to send a fast flash message saying "kill all the jews now"

4 is just false.

5 a> not all the people were killed at the camps, nor has this ever been claimed. b> lots of mass graves and piles of ash and bone have been found at all the camps. So a strawman and a falsehood in one sentence!

6> they were admitted as mistakes by historians long before this. So what? that means no one was ever killed by the Nazis then? rubbish

7> the speculation that steam and or electrocution were being used was before hard intelligence was gathered. they knew mass murder was being done in small rooms, they just did not know how. This is not a lie - it was a mistake. as soon as we knew it was gas the mistaken speculation was discounted. this often happens in investigations. Calling them "lies" is simply a misuse of the term.


for instance i could call your statements about 1-7 "lies" but that would not be fair. i am sure you would not lie if you knew the truth, and will not repeat these falsehoods because you now know you would be lying.

the rest of these statements has been debunked time and again.

8 is true - so what?
9 is false
10 is false (prove the flood of jews - any figures, any account of how they got there? No)
11 is false

>What happened during the holocaust
Clearly not enough Jews dying or being gassed.

Saying that holocaust never happened is the most harsh and severe critique of Hitler that can possibly exist.

The human soap idea was Brit propaganda in WWI, but it became a threat used by the nazis towards jews, and in fact they did make soap from humans (not jews though) A Dr Spanner experimented with it.
the shrunken heads were real - but anthropological specimens from headhunters in Indonesia. they were found in the doctor's office at Buchenwald - given the horrors that actually happened there, it was not too surprising people thought it was another example of nazi barbarity. This was resolved in the 1950's and no historian since then has suggested otherwise. it was widely reported in the press of the time. Only Deniers keep this myth alive, saying it was a lie, rather than a quite reasonable mistaken assumption.

the lampshade story - there is eyewitness testimony to suggest that at least one was made, but destroyed, but even if it was never real, again after the horrors of nazi atrocity one can understand why people believed. they did collect and tan tattooed skin.
steam chambers and electcution aparatus - yes these were early speculations - they knew that mass murder was being done, just not how. Gas was also suggested. Turned out they were right about that. Again, speculation on second hand and third hand accounts - not a lie, just a mistake, which was corrected when more evidence came out. No one (even at the Nuremberg trials where these were mentioned only to be dismissed) has thought these were correct since 1945. Only Deniers bring them up.
the 2peddle driven brain bashing machine" was a foot switch activated pneumatic humane killeer. The account of it never says it is peddle driven, just that a foot switch caused the bolt gun (as used in abattoirs) to shoot a captive bolt into the back of the prisoner's head, killing him or her efficiently and with little blood. Calling it a "peddle driven brain basher" is tantamount to a lie - it is mis-describing for comic effect, a classic Denier tactic.
same as "death showers"

bad meme, sir

12 is wrong - Zyklon B is not a spray. it is granules that give off cyanide gas. it was used to delouse clothing and bedding in special gas chambers that had very high concentrations of the gas. This is far higher than the concentration needed to kill human beings. It usually had a warning odor chemical in it. The SS at Auschwitz ordered it to be delivered without the warning odor. It is a very efficient way of killing human beings.
13> they were lying. They have never published their survey or their results. the fact that Treblinka was subject to a"gold rush" at the end of the war - locals digging up the mass graves for gold teeth and jewelry - means that the Australians were obviously lying - the ground was disturbed! But the huge amounts of bone and ash on site are also a giveaway. You can see pictures of this if you search for "treblinka gold rush"
14> partially true, which is the best form of lie. In some camps, in some circumstances some guards were punished by some commanders. This does not mean that they were always at all times in all places nice to all prisoners. For instance, Birkenau, where they just murdered them.
15. False.
16.Also false. Hoess was beaten up when he was captured (hiding under a false name) but the rest is simply untrue
17 this nonsense claim not only spreads Bacque's debunked lie about Eisenhower (and his entire staff and the entire american and british army and the press and the relatives of the supposed dead who all never said anything) but also skips over the fact that millions were simply shot on site int eh east, millions did die of starvation, overwork, disease and appalling living conditions, and that the gassing and cremation of millions more was an efficient way to kill them, not requiring thousands of troops to guard camps full of desperate and possibly rebellious starving prisoners.

Germans and a minority of jews died of tipho in large numbers during WWII.
Years later, jews lie that the dead were all jews and that the germans killed them.

18 Vrba saved many lives by his bravery and testimony during the war. At Zundel's trial he was questioned, but his testimony was upheld. This claim made here is another nice bit of weasel wording. Vrba agreed he had never been in a gas chamber to see then people die - because he would have died as well. he just saw them go in, and they came out dead. Hardly an "artistic representation"
19 Yep. So what. people write novels (the masturbation machines came from a novel.) This does not undermine the mass of documents from the Nazis and all the archaeology and the hundreds of witness statements that all corroborate each other.

20 is untrue. You can investigate. You can read the documents, and examine the ruins, and see the blueprints and the travel orders and the witness statements. You can investigate. You just cannot lie boldly and distort evidence. Which is what all deniers have been shown to do. Just like most of this posted graphic does. Quite a number of deniers when they read the evidence have agreed they were wrong - you have obviously not read the evidence yet.

22. That was because they didn't lie in WW2 about mass murder going on.

23 Everyone exaggerates - ask any irishman how many died in The Famine. Ask any Catlunian how many died at Franco's hands. So what? the careful historical analysis shows about 5.1 to 6.3 million dead jews, plus the others that could be as high as another 8 million.

24 True, gassing does not cause people to loose weight. who ever said it does? it just kills them within half an hour and then they are cremated. And also, no one ever said all jews were killed immediately at arrival at any and every camp. Not all camps carried our immediate mass murder. As Himmler and Goebbels both confirm int heir diaries, about 40% were useful workers for slave labour. the rest were killed immediately when they got to Treblinka or Auschwitz-Birkenau. You know, the women and children and old folk.

>tfw your grandfather was killed by Nazis who strapped him to a masturbation machine and loaded him into a rollercoaster which deposited him squarely in the center of a cage with a bear and an eagle which killed him and t picked his bones clean respectively, so you have dedicated your life to shitposting on an Ainu flint knapping forum to perpetuate a lie

>11 is false
care to elaborate?

this. now lurk for 1 year before posting again

also 24, No one says that the emaciated people at Bergen Belsen were gassed in Auschwitz or Treblinka. You might as well say that no one in the japanese concentration camps was ever executed by beheading because all the live POW's that came back had heads.

25. Yep the soviets used them as well. and your point is? what, that the russians used them ten years earlier so obviously the Germans would never use them as they didn't want Stalin to call them copy-cats and go "nah nah nah na nyah" ? this is childishly stupid as an argument.

26 really? Maybe that is why they had the Einsatzgruppen do it. Different troops, different command structure. again, a cunning deception this one - a near truth, just not true enough.

28. I would love to see the source to back this one up. really? "the few jews" just the 90,000 in crimea that the Nazis document as having killed, or the 300,000 they document as being killed in JudenAktion in 1943 in the Ukraine?

29 no reason apart from their own reports to Hitler? Typed up in large type so he could read them without glasses? No reason? Sorry but that is either incredible ignorance or a barefaced lie.

30 also mentions of 2 million three, four five and seven, in lots of articles. Yep, the six million jews on russia that were subject to pogroms all that time had a hard time adn it was reported. So what? you think that they made up the number in 1885 (just happened to be the number of jews in russia than being prosecuted by the Tsars)

ah the good old days when people that collaborated with russia didn't get elected to the whitehouse.

and your reason for believing this is?

numbers? sources?

any shred of evidence or justification?

>tfw you realize you are just a troll and no one loves you

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Curious. Denier threads only consist of JIDF now.

why should i care what some failed physicist says?

why does every mention of the masturbation machine trace back to stormfront, pol and ED?

Not all the information comes from the soviets. there is a mass of documentation, blueprints and orders, correspondence with teh manufacturers of the crematoria and the gas pellets, etc. Masses of eyewitness evidence and testimony from former guards and civilians and prisoners. thousands of travel orders for the transport of millions of jews (and others) to the camps where they just disappear from the record, but which all accounts agree o what happened next...

also new archaeology, finding hundreds of mass graves, the ruins of the gas chambers the nazis blew up at Auschwitz and elsewhere

Census data shows a drop of about 5 .5 to 6.7 million jews in Europe and russia. A drop of 2.7 million jews in Poland - they did not emigrate, they did not escape to the east, they did not change names and become Aryans, they were herded into ghettos and they were taken to camps, and they never returned.

Deniers always fail to account for this and just throw up shitty memes like the one above.

and again the first thing that happens when someone calls the bullshit is that an idiot says it is JIDF

not jewish, not paid, just love to make deniers look as stupid as they really really are.

because they all spend so much time masturbating?

>getting paid to post by political groups

youre a fucking loser

You said that 11 was false. However, this doesn't really explain why. Is there an example of someone trustworthy inspecting death camps or photographic evidence before soviet tampering?

masturbation machines milking jews? lol, source?

sketches by adolf Hitler 1905

Oh I saw that thread, I encourage people on Sup Forums to lurk in /fit/ so we can become strong enough to defend our race.

severely underrated post

The masturbation machine comes from a fake holocaust survivor book written by a guy pretending to be Jewish. Deniers take that and pretend that this is an example of Jews lying about the holocaust.

I thought Anne Frank's diary was a bit dodgy too?

The diary itself is legit, it's just that some of the versions censor certain parts of it, mostly the lesbo stuff.

http:// (remove) www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/controversies/AnneFrank/ballpoint1080.html

http:// (remove) www.ihr.org/jhr/v03/v03p147_Faurisson.html

The authenticity of the diaries what proven several times in court.

*was

Shouldn't have protested in 1941 then. The Germans were pretty passive to NL until then.

Jews generally didnt pay taxes and used currency manipulation. Hitler gave them an ultimatum and wanted them out. Those that remained were sent to work camps.

Were they systematically killed? No.
Were they gassed? No.

Most Jews didnt even realize what happened until allied soldiers debriefed them.

>You said that 11 was false. However, this doesn't really explain why.


11 says "all the 'information' on gas chambers came from the Soviet Union.

I think I showed why this is utterly false. Also the soviet union no longer exists, adn we can now visit these sites and look at them in detail - the gas chambers adn the crematoria buildings although blown up by the nazis, are still there aas ruins. The eyewitness testimony, and testimony of the guards adn the documents that we have all corroborate their use (as do the plans form the Auschwitz buildings drawing office that they forgot to destroy)

mush documentation was destroyed, but not all.

I do not know about film or what the soviets did (I do know that the reconstructed gas chamber at Auschwitz I was botched - they did not re-open the wall at the right place and the original door is missing, but the reconstructed chimney is in the right place - the flues run underground, it is not "detached" from the crematorium as ignorant deniers often state)

>someone trustworthy inspecting death camps or photographic evidence before soviet tampering?

well we have testimony from the guards... and allied aerial surveillance, and we have some sonderkommando photos adn one roll of photos from an SS man. (deniers have claimed that the sonderkommando photos are from a train wreck, but they only have one doctored photo that they put up, they have no bothered to fake the others)

They put a buncha people in camps.
Jews. Fags. Commies. Criminals.
The Allies blockaded Germany.
Everybody starved.
Everybody got sick.
>no food
>no medicine
Everybody in the camps also starved and got sick.
Near the end of the war every soldier, civilian and prisoner sick with Typhus and starving to death.
So you got these giant piles of emaciated Typhus-riddled starved bodies.

lovely story, pity that isn't what happened and in no way addresses the mass of evidence for mass murder committed in 1941 to 1944.

pro tip look up "death rate from Typhus"

Interestingly enough, the western allied prisoners in Germany somehow managed to avoid the epidemics of typhus and starvation. Meanwhile the Jews were hit the hardest, to the point that at the end of the war, there were only few left.

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It's like the typhus and starvation only killed the people the Nazis wanted to kill anyway.

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>being this autistic

>french kike still trying to convince people Hitler was the evil boogeyman but failing miserably

Pathetic.

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the official plaque at asuschwtiz, the 'worst' camp lists no more than 1.5 million jews being killed. To say that somehow 7.7 million jews died when the 'most effective' camp even theoreticaly only killed 1.5 is just stupid. the mathematics of how many got killed where simply does not add up. If you want to know real evil take a look at stalins russia who addimitedly and is recognised as killing between 20 and 30 million of HIS OWN citizens. the modern world is fucking crazy to think that killing a few jews and others is the worst that has happened in the modern years. Stalin by far eclipses what hitler killed

The "mass murder" was an overall account of lives lost in WWII, not necessarily the camps. Also holocaust stories have differed wildly between survivors and are in no way consistent with census polling. Theres alsi a ton of revisionism which makes it harder to find the truth.

>Halal Burger trying to convince people Hitler loved jews and sent them all to holiday camps

bathetic

(an no that is not a spelling mistake, look it up you uneducated moron)

Given how much literature has been produced about the Holocaust, why is there so little independent third party corroboration of the survivors' testimony? Many non Jews were inmates in the camps and the International Red Cross had access to all the camps (including the ones "liberated" by the Soviets). the entire war. These are people who have no need to lie or embellish their accounts.

Oh it happened. To doubt it is to smear the memory of the strength and vision of our leader. Do you think true Aryans were incapable of killing that many? That they lacked vision? Organisation? The will? Be proud that happened and honour their sacrifice. Those who doubt are zionist sock puppets. Fucking kike lap dogs.

The hell is MBMC

Malaysian Buddhist Meditation Centre

>International Red Cross had access to all the camps

Wrong, IRC did not have access to the Aktion Reinhardt camps, and they visited Auschwitz-Birkenau only once and they weren't allowed to inspect the camp.

Those were Jews. Everyone loves to kill Jews.

even jews?

It's weird how you never hear stories from "survivors" who were in the camps for being gay, gypsy, nonwhite, antisocial etc. The only "survivors" who give their story are Jews. So weird since lots of people were put in the camps huh. Jews must be resistant to gas or something.

What the hell are you talking about, there are survivor accounts from all kinds of people. Obviously there are almost no survivor accounts from the extermination camps because almost everyone was killed, duh.

It was just an Austrian barbecue and Hitler signed up to bring the beverages. He brought some sparkling juice that he gassed himself, but since it was at a barbecue, they roasted the juice.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Höfle_Telegram

That’s obviously when Hitler went paleo and was doing a lot of lifting.

Why are all the "extermination camps" behind the iron curtain? Why were the camps all claimed to be "extermination camps" and one by one revealed to be merely concentration camps like we had for Japanese and Italians in America except for the ones that we had no access to?

Imagine being this mad over the Sudetenland still.

>Why were the camps all claimed to be "extermination camps" and one by one revealed to be merely concentration camps

Because when these camps were liberated, the soldiers saw scenes like from Dante's inferno. As for why the extermination camps were in Poland, well, that's were most of the Jews were.

The Nazis killed more than 100k people in my country.

>7.7 million

I never said that. I said between 5.1 and 6.7, is the historians take on it after gecades of careful research, although the median is actuall about 5.6 million.

so at Auschwitz they killed about 1.1 million jews. At Treblinka about 900,000. So we are up to 2 million in two camps. Belzec half a million. Sobibor a quarter of a million at least, Chelmno perhaps 300,000

so you have the best part of three point one million in five camps.

Add to that the mere 30,000 at Lublin or 20,000 at Sachsenhausen, and two dozen other camps like them from Yugoslavia to Latvia plus the labour camps and places like Belsen (50,000 jews) you get about a million more

and yes typhus and starvation played their role - hundreds of thousands of people were killed by them in Ghettos and camps. But why did they starve and why were they overcrowded and untreated for disease?

and then add the killings in the East, outside the camps - the mass shootings, the gas vans, the pogroms. We have figures from the Nazi archives claiming over 1.5 million jews killed, and that may not be a full total.

it adds up.

You believe that 30 million soviets died - why not a mere 5.5 million jews, or maybe 5.1? you obviously do not share the idiot ideas of those who say "where are the bodies" because you do not ask for them when labeling Stalin a mass murderer.

Given the rhetoric, the lifelong repeated blaming and threatening and hatred of the Jews that hitler and his cronies spewed, and the brainwashing of the hitler youth and the german people that went on (and they were pretty antisemitic before Hitler) why on earth would you think that they did not indulge in mass murder and maltreatment to death?

If the holoHOAX was for real, why so many lies about it?

Lies like the one that had Jew ashes/fat used to make soap? Turned out to be a lie. The one that had Jew skin used to make lampshades? The one that had giant electrical mats used to electrocute Jews? Both LIES. The one that said Bergen-Belsen had homicidal gas chambers? The one that had the shrunken Jew heads? Both LIES. The one that said steam chambers were used to kill Jews? The one that said electrified water vats were used at Belzec and one that said 4,000,000 Jews were killed at Auschwitz? Both LIES, since that number dropped to a little over one million, and that included non-Jews.

Then there's the LIES about Majdanek, which originally claimed around 600,000 dead Juden, but now the number has dropped to around 70K.

So if they LIED about Ausshitz and Majdanek, why and what else did the holoHOAX liars LIE about????

>holocaust stories have differed wildly between survivors and are in no way consistent with census polling.

actually they do not vary that much. And the census polling is consistent with a loss of about 6 million jews from europe, including 2.7 million from Poland who we know did not emigrate, did not escape, and did not survive the war.

this is 90% that was a targeted mass killing, there is no other possible explanation.

>does not difference between the camps. >does not know of the huge literature in every european language of people that survived the camps. Only knows english and only what is on the first page of google search.

>If the holoHOAX was for real, why so many lies about it?

there are no lies about it, it was all real in my mind.

when you have taken your meds and calmed down a bit please read which answers nearly all your copypasta questions.

the plaque at Auschwitz said 4 million PEOPLE died there, not 4 million jews. That was propaganda by the soviets. No historian has taken that figure seriously - it was well established to be be about a million jews and about a half million others, by the early 1950's, and no historian has really challenged that figure with any convincing argument since - and many have tried.

Majdanek - yes they claimed large figures. But the Soviets were never known for their grasp of truth - again it was russian propaganda against the Nazis (and to be honest, given the fact that the nazis had murdered millions of their people, who can blame them?)

but historians, through careful research, have come to a realistic figure.

you make this sound like a bad thing. You make it sound like historians should not do careful research and revise figures. Or that they were deliberately lying in the past but now telling the truth (or perhaps more lies, for some deranged reason?)

this is how history is researched and written.. it is like a detective - i this case a criminal investigation - you may think that some clue is correct until you get more and see that it is not right - or you may make a new discovery and find out that you have been wrong about the killer in the first place. In this case we are certain what the killer was, who did it and who got killed. we just are not sure to the exact last hundred how many victims were in each place, as the nazis did not bother to record their victims names.

2-300 thousand jews died due to disease mainly typhus and starvation due to allies bombing supply lines to camps.
No one was gassed in fake shower rooms.

Allies did not bomb the supply lines to the camps, in fact allies barely bombed anything in Poland at all.

that's like asking what happened during WW3
>it hasn't happened yet

well to be fair there is a lot of shit written about it by non historians.

most just speculation, and the normal exaggeration that time and PTSD and and normal elaboration of stories would account for.

some outright liars (some who have made a good living from it as well)

but none of it actually undermines the solid evidence.

it is like the stories people tell about 9/11. I know one guy who swears he was in a meeting in the south tower when the first plane went in to the North. he says he left the building and saw the second plane hit.

I know he was in Florida that day. he really did often go to the WTC for meetings, he had been there a week before, but he would swear he is telling the truth. he really believes it now. And it gets him laid sometimes.

then again there are people who will tell you there were no planes at all...

big events always produce speculation, fabulation and bullshit. Does not mean the towers did not collapse.

>2-300 thousand jews died
Really? where did you get this number from?

source (in b4 your arse)

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slow day

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It happened but not on this scale. There is evidence that Jews were rounded up and executed but 6 million is logistically impossible.

You know, I don't really expect Americans to know much about anything related to European history, but given the fact that we're talking about your own air force, you should know this stuff.

Beady eyes, ANGLO lies
Muffled Aryan women's cries
Aryan children, big and small
Bomber Harris kills them all
Left, right, right, left
ANGLO sows the seeds of death
Not a stone is left to stand
When ANGLO flies across the land
After starting World War One
The ANGLO's work was still not done
So joining with the Pole and Jew
He made a new one: World War Two
To sate his thirst for Aryan blood
That he wanted, that he got
Now Dresden is devoid of cheer
Hans have fear; the ANGLO is here

>Does not mean the towers did not collapse.

Wasn't the owner of the twin towers a Jew who got billions from insurance companies after the collapse?

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So I’m not the only one.. I’m relieved!

Was the Rwandian genocide also logistically impossible?

>mfw Hiromoot saved us from shitty infographics

dresden was justified get over it

>logistically impossible.
why?

big claim, no reason given. How many Dutch Jews were killed?