How is communism not fascism? Is there a practical difference?

How is communism not fascism? Is there a practical difference?
When hard lefties like antifa advocate communism, do they just mean communist theory?
I dun get it halp me

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At the time, the same coalition of irreconcilable enemies as today had already joined forces in the fight against the German Volk. The unnatural alliance of exploiting capitalism and misanthropic Bolshevism that today attempts to suffocate the world was the enemy to whom we sounded the battle cry on February 24, 1920, for the preservation of the nation. Just as today, the apparent contradiction of terms in the cooperation of extremist forces was only an expression of the unified will of a joint agitator and beneficiary. For a long time already, international Jewry has made use of both forms in the destruction of the freedom and social happiness of the nations.

When we met for the first time in Munich on February 24, 1920, we already had a clear idea of the tendencies and consequences of the strategy of both attackers. Capitalism and Bolshevism once divided our Volk internally and disarmed it, in order to exploit and destroy it in the end. In contrast to the lesson which history teaches us today, that was only a preliminary exercise. This vilest conspiracy and bloodiest tyranny of all times against the freedom of all people tries to rise up to strike down the thousands of years of development of civilization in Europe.

There is a tremendous difference between the Germany of 1920 and that of 1945. Back then, it was a nation completely paralyzed-today, it is a military Volk fighting with the utmost fanaticism. Back then, it had an antiquated, disintegrating social order-today, it has an unshakable Volksgemeinschaft which is in the process of building things up. Had the old Germany had only a fraction of the power of resistance of the present one, then it would never have collapsed. Had the Germany of today had only a fraction of the weaknesses of back then, it would have died long ago! It is because of this that February 24, 1920, will one day go down in history as one of the great turning points in the evolution of mankind. Nameless and unknown men- with myself at their head-turned to a nation in the process of disintegration, and proclaimed a program whose theses were not understood by countless others and whose tendencies were rejected by the verwhelming majority. Today, we know the following: without this program, a new socialist German Volk and state would never have happened. Without this creation of the National Socialist German state, neither a German Reich nor a German Volk would exist today! After all, the substance of states, that is, the people themselves, are not eternal; they are born, they grow, and they pass away, according to what they are worth.

- Adolf Hitler

February 24, 1945

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Read Marx the Google Bookchin.

What book is this quoting from Catalonia user?

>Looking for some sort of doctrine from the left

You better pack lunch user

hes probably AI

Practical difference:

- God
- food
- family
- tradition
- fatherland

Communism is just shared poverty, with the death of all that is holy

Fascism - all power is ultimately concentrated with one person
Communism - technically all power is spread across evenly to the working man.
Obviously communism never plays out that way, and just turns into bastard fascism like Stalin and Mao

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Short answer:
Communism is the abolishment of hierarchy ad tradition.

The point of fascism is to defend these to aspects. It is the ideology to combat communism.

fuc fact that is somethin an AI would say without ever knowing what it realy said...spoopy

With the exception of food, these still all seem like ideological differences.

I don't get why fascism is supposed to be inherently right wing. Nazis, being the prime example of fascism everyone uses, were socialists?
I look up a definition for fascism and get:
"centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"
This sounds like the communists?
The message I'm getting from this thread is that there is no functional difference lol

Communism is a means to totally abolish property, heirarchy, classes, everything. The means to this is anything but a classless egilitarian utopia, they use brute authoritarian force. This is why commies always say "no reel commanizm xd."

AI will understand literally everything better than humans, least of all the fact they are AI

70% of interactions you have online are with Ai

This is done to sway public opinion

So there aren't really communists, only theoretical communists


most, rather

The end result of a communist revolution will always be more totalitarian than a fascist revolution.

What anitfa and /leftypol/ fail to realize is that there system will never be an anarchy nor democratic. But yes they do want their magical utopia that has been attempted 40 times and failed to form that utopia 40 times.

Reminder that you need to pay money to visit the grave of Karl Marx and his mansion in Trier Germany.

nigga what

Thats because fascism economically speaking is center left to center right. The founder of facsism Giovanni Gentile realized to actually make Marx's ideas work, you would need a benevolent authoritarian system with a rigorous sense of brotherhood drilled into its people and leadership otherwise it would fail.

For the most part they are very similar (end result at least), but I'd argue that Nazism and Fascism are way better to live under than marxist socialism.

So is Antifa the new AIDs and Crack for whitey?

Majority of profiles on social media are actually Ai used by government/corporations to sway public opinion on the sites with regards to things like marketing trends and politics

Isn't fascism a leftist ideology then?
authoritarian = big govt. =/= right wing
In terms of left vs right, extreme right should be anarchy, where extreme left should be communism/fascism?

The original right wing is monarchy

Authoritarian =/= left. just usually

You faggots don't even know what fascism is, really.

It's a contentless word without deep meaning.

This means that the enemy decides what it means.

By definition, fascism means collectivism with family as the single smallest entity.

So stop calling everything fascism and start using it in a positive way.

Fascism is considered by political scholars to be "a third position" neither left nor right wing. If you want to force it to conform to the spectrum it would incorporate "leftist" economic policy in that many of the economies were not completely free market, and "conservative" social policy. It is not right to categorize fascism in these terms however because it's conception is fundamentally a reaction against both communism and Western liberal democracy.

ya got a source for that?
Either way, I don't believe it. Over 70% of what I see people say online is inane garbage with no relevance to politics or markets. How anyone could come up with that number makes no fucking sense

Yes, under todays definitions it is.

Leftwinged
>Authoritarian
>Collectivist
>keynesian / socialist economics

The Nazis, Facisists, Soviets, Chinese, and many third world shit hole countries today adopt these three main characteristics.

If there was a 'credible' source for what I'm saying there would be international outrage

>What is the practical difference
Communism as a definition is classless and stateless. Thats why most pinkos come to the conclusion that failed communist shithole du jour wasnt real communism. Theyre technically right, but thats because true, by the book communism isnt really possible when you factor in human nature.

Fascist are reasonable though. The collectivize to empower the state with stated goals. Communists collectivize and believe it'll reward them with individualism without a state, which never works. That's why all communist countries turn into Stalinist/Maoist shitholes with no real direction or purpose except "muh revolution". So I guess they're not so much the same...

It’s complicated. Fascists are hyperconservative socially but leftists with the economy, but only if you are part of the in group. According to a fascist if you are not part of the in group you aren’t entitled to the benefits of the socialist economy and are “removed from the premises”, however they decide to do that. At least that’s how I understand it

In terms of economic theory, Communism calls for the abolition of social/class hierarchy. Fascism calls for a corporate state which lives to serve the state/nation.

The real answer to your question is to read marx, and then read Gentile, Hitler, and Cordreanu. Also look up cultured thug on YouTube, he has great book reports on many of these.

Yeah you got it. People associate religion and fag bashing with right wing because they're stupid.

That's authoritarian and actually more left wing as it doesn't have a free market system.

It is, but without any sort of hope or happiness. Basically this:

So as far as modern political discussion goes, fascism is just a strawman? Not sure I understand.

This is my point. It seems that if you're making a spectrum where you can plot anarchism as a political ideology, any authoritarianism is necessarily extreme left. They both run contrary to the idea of minimal govt., which is sorta the key part of conservatism?

They are both socialist parasites that don't deserve the value we create. They should wallow in the dirt while the liberal minded bend nature to their whims. Let the parasites starve, they deserve nothing.

>How is communism not fascism?
It IS fascism. Communists will always lie to you about that, or they genuinely feel like the examples of authoritarian communism in the past are not "real" communism, which is a joke. "Real" Communism (stateless) is impossible in the modern age because there has to be some way of inforcing its principles and law, which is impossible without a state.

You can't be fucking serious, then lol

Liberals seeking to bend nature to their whim is what gives us trannys, inner cities full if niggers, and the false good of equality. Fascism conforms to nature.

Stop pulling crap from your stinking asshole. Nothing you said is fascism.

>centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader[s], severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
That is fascism. It's also very brutal and murderous to its citizens that dissent or don't go along obediently, and citizens have little to no rights. Practically, it's nearly identical to communism.

They're both nigger shit.

fascism and "hard-left" are scuh loose enough terms that it really depends how you understand them

Fascism is
>Authoritarian regime
yes, some hard left governments are fascist
>Nazis
hard left is not fascism
>Oppression of human rights
it really depends on the government , anything can be fascism then

Also, the left is internaly split, that's where the
>not real communism
meme comes from. It really depends how one understands the terms "left", "socialist", "marxian". For example, American communists would most likely classify Bolsheviks as fascists and not "true left", while the Bolsheviks would take them as liberals.

Strong christian monoculture upholding a minarchist constitutional democracy is truly the best desu

Communism VS Fascism
Communism
strong central bank owned by Jews (namely the Rothchilds)
Jews hold most white collar positions of privilege
everyone is equal (as slaves under Jewish hegemony)
Antisemitism is outlawed
authoritarian rule (with lots of purges)

Fascism
Barter System between nations no central bank
The best for the Job gets the Job (yes even Jews in many instances)
Everyone is equal under the state to flourish
Communism outlawed
authoritarian rule

Communism
Take private property (aka the means of production, or factories)
from the individuals that own them and give them to "the state"
(a small number of people in positions of privilege filled through nepotism)
turning the entire country into private property owned by them with the people still
working in factories they don't own and now will never have an opportunity
to own making less than they did before with a lower standard of living. Or
to make it simple basically a return to feudal serfdom only the lords will
now all be Jews instead of natives that basically consider the gentiles subhuman livestock

youtube.com/watch?v=vhrpLprYMmQ

One is for the people and one is to destroy the people so what do you think is the differnece?

hey now, that's reductionist. that aint
>real liberalism

Well for a start
They are spelt differently

Faschismus wird von Historikern als „gewissermaßen inhaltsleer“

"Was Faschismus ist oder sein soll, wurde vornehmlich von seinen Gegnern bestimmt"

"Einige Historiker wollen den Begriff auf Italien beschränken."

It's even in the wikipedia, you Amerilard.

FASCIST GERMANY WAS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THINGS THAT EVER EXISTED IN THIS WORLD PURE, AMAZING, AND SIMPLY BREATH TAKING ALL ABOUT LOVE AND PERFECTION YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANYTHING LIKE IT AGAIN BECAUSE HITLER WAS A GOD

>strawmaning this hard
>it's afraid

THE JEWS GREATEST CRIME WAS TAKING HITLER FROM US AND FOR THAT WE WILL BATH IN THEIR BLOOD

Communism is to the left economically while just as totalotarian socially. Nat Soc is center / center right totalitarian while communism is left wing totalitarianism.

Upon further analysis, I have come to the conclusion this is just something people have been arguing about for fucking ever because we're all arrogant, everyone has their own interpretations and we will never agree because fuck people and politics. It's like arguing about religion; politics is the opiate of the masses

>When it's 2018 and you equate fascism with oppression and racism and not what fascism actually is

This is why the left can't meme.

Fascism has many flaws but it does raise serious questions that need answered. Extreme individualism has turned into narcissism and overall societal sociopathy. Additionally, despite our best efforts in designing government, we still have an elite ruling class. I don't have all the answers and am not saying Fascism is the answer in any way, but we need to have long talks about the problems of our society.

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The fuck is this garbled shit?

It's not what fascism is, that's what.

>That's not real fascism!

kys lizard boy

Fascism looks after people better than communism
Which is the most ironic thing...

>Autistic google definition
>Probably never read any Fascist books

Its not a strawman there really has been 40 revolutions. I am afraid that someone like you would come after me and try to attack me because I am affluent-ish and don't buy into your bullshit. Therefore I am an enemy to the likes of you.

You're worried you'll be removed? Probably a faggot or jew.

>calling me a enemy
>referring only to (You)'d post
>ignores the fact of straw man
I'd personally like to meet you guys too see if you try this stuff in person or are smarter?

they are both completly different. Go read a book ffs

>google Bookchin like leftypol lemmings always say
>it's yet another anti-white rich leftist JEW

>implying I'm rich
>implying I'm a Jew
I am white though, so that was a good guess. 3/10

I was referring to Bookchin, not you.

you prob a lizard boy nigger