Dragon Ball Super

FRIEZA! FRIEZA! FRIEZA!

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Foreshadowing.

You know, 17 was already stronger than Goku when he was first introduced in the Cell Saga, why is him being able to be around god level after a decade later bad?

Frieza was able to rival gods after 4 months of training, and HE was weaker than 17.

That's a nice ass 17 has there.

Super doesn't make sense user. JUST TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF

how is that foreshadowing, it's just a parallel between freeza and frost

When will we see our bro Beerus kick some more ass?

we need more dragon ball rpgs

Funny how people bitched and called GT trash because of things like 17+17 being able to stand up to SS4. Now 17 fighting on par with SSB after training with poachers in DBS is being fiercely defended.

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>Android 17 + Android 17 (with a trenchcoat!)=SS4

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>The power-scaling in GT bothered me a lot
>Two Android 17's >= SS4 Goku

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>Two Android 17's > SS4

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>Extreme power discrepancies, like Super 17's existence and Base Kid Goku being stronger than SS4 Goku at times

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>Super 17 >= SS4 Goku

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>At least DBS is much more consistent in terms of power-scaling than GT
>Two Android 17's >= SS4 Goku

Because Freeza had the excuse of being the first one to randomly get stronger than everybody else off-screen. Any time after that, there is no more tolerance for it and rightly so.

Also, it at least somewhat made sense. He was a prodigy among prodigies and a complete genetic freak from the get-go. No training at all and he was the strongest guy in the universe outside of Beerus and Buu. 17 had a fixed level of strength that was installed into him by Gero. It logically makes no sense for him to get any stronger unless he did some Genos-type shit and upgraded.

Aside from that, all he's been doing is hitting poachers. That sucks dick as an explanation for how he got so strong, especially knowing what Goku went through for all those years.

It's just bad writing.

>not including the theme
Ningen
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Foreshadowing for Frost becoming evil and Freeza a good guy in the ToP arc

FREEZABROS!!! WHERE ARE YOU?!

>sped up
>shit quality

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Reporting

#17 and #18 are not cyborgs, they are closer to Captain America and Wolverine. Only their bombs are mechanical, all the rest is biological.

Those must be over 9000 poachers

>JUST TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF
Even watching paint dry would be fun if you did that.

>17 had a fixed level of strength that was installed into him by Gero
This is headcanon and Toriyama has stated that the Androids can train to get stronger just like anyone else.

>#17 and #18 are not cyborgs
That is literally and objectively false.

never actually noticed how the song criticize politicians/dictators/system, never got the analogy
with Freeza, thought it was just a song for him, pretty cool to be honest

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Is it perfect time?

I know people are going to defend this, so I'll say it right now: Don't.

Both Goku and 17 were holding back, sure. But there's still a problem here: There is no visible 'Gap' between the two. If they were both holding back yet were seemingly equal? Then that means 17 is still somehow stronger than a Goku who has:

Trained 7 years in otherworld
Absorbed the Power of SSG
Fought a GoD and lived to talk about it
Fought Golden Frieza, who was as strong as a form several times stronger than SSG
Trained for 3 years in the RoSaT
Got his ass handed to him by Hit
Received numerous zenkais over the Black Arc
Fought an insanely powerful Fusion that only got fucked up because Black and Zamasu weren't compatible. Had they been, then they would have been truly fucked through and through.
Became x10 stronger: proven by Goku overpowering Hit without the need of Kaioken x10. Hit wasn't holding back either, the dude was going all out like he promised he would. Fucker killed Goku, which is quite the feat.

All 17 has done is:
Range a fucking park for a decade or more.
Give some energy to the Genki Dama to destroy Majin Buu.

That's fucking it.
It's illogical and stupid as shit.
It's plot convenience and it's garbage. They could've at least fucking explained it.

Despite all of this, this dumb ass motherfucker is like:
"GONNA KILL MYSELF BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO INSTANTLY ONE-SHOT PEPE THE FROG, CYA GOKU, TELL MY SENPAI I SAID PEACE OUT."
Toei what the fuck are you doing???

Not hyped yet?

Or watching TFS

or most things on youtube, really.

I can't say how relieved I am that others in this thread are calling out Super for being the complete clusterfuck it is.

Every goddamn episode, some completely unnecessary inconsistency or character-derailing moment is thrown in for shits and giggles. It feels like Toei and/or Toriyama are TRYING to shit on their own series.

Power scaling is all over the damn place, you literally can't even make a solid guess on how strong half the cast is. Piccolo and Frieza get some of the most ridiculous boosts in the entire series. "But if Frieza did it, why can't anyone!?"

Goku becomes a completely unbearable cunt with no personality aside from annoying fight junkie, and suddenly, "muh original japanese goku, not meant to be a hero"

He's always been a flawed dipshit, but in the original manga, he showed plenty of examples of wanting to defend others. Flawed judgement/bad decisions=/=complete apathy

All I want to do is punch DBS Goku in the goddamn face, but he'd probably love that, too.

And that's just the tip of the goddamn iceberg.

>inb4 GT

It's shit, too. But I'll give it one thing, its characters didn't look like cardboard cutouts in every other shot.

>#17 and #18 are not cyborgs
>Only their bombs are mechanical
>all the rest is biological
please go back to neoseeker forums

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>>this redditspacing
You have to go back.

It's not foreshadowing if it only exists in the manga.

Meaning this was never in Toriyama's script...unless Toyo knows something Toriyama doesn't

Still funny.

>#17 and #18 are not cyborgs
user you know shit about enhanced humans.

FUIRZA KUN LETS HAV GUD FIGT

>its characters didn't look like cardboard cutouts in every other shot.

No, they instead looked like weird Hong Kong bootleg versions because of GT's horrid style.

>gold
>jobber
>Easily BTFO by UNRIVALED
Are Friezafags Gilcucks?

Are you gonna start autisticly post this in every thread?

17 in GT never said anything about continuing to train. As far as we could tell, he had the same strength as he did during the Cell Saga.

17 in Super got stronger, and he explained that he was training.

Not only did 17 continue to train in DBS, SSB Goku can control his strength because of SSB's perfect ki control

GT's 17 didn't say anything about training, and two of them were inexplicably stronger than SS4

Is Adam Jensen from the Deus Ex series a cyborg or a Android?

what the fug freezler I'm not ok with this

When they spice things up with another movie.

I agree with everything you just said. Lets just enjoy Super for what it is..........mediocre

>people thinks that they aren't cyborgs because they were improved "at cellular level"

So they think Cell wasn't an android because it was biological?

Quick, use the swastika stance!

question:
is the animation quality better in BDs?
I know they fixed up some shit in saiyan god arc but did they reanimate shit in other arcs too?

> Defending the worst Saga in the worst DB show

>Lets just enjoy Super for what it is
>mediocre
You wish.

www.strawpoll.me/11135073/r

>It's not foreshadowing if it only exists in the manga.
How your brain work?

>17 in GT never said anything about continuing to train. As far as we could tell, he had the same strength as he did during the Cell Saga.
>GT's 17 didn't say anything about training, and two of them were inexplicably stronger than SS4

Wrong, one of the 17 was modified by Dr Gero(the person who created him) and Dr. Myuu(another Genius creator). This 17 fused with the other one.


>17 in Super got stronger, and he explained that he was training.
Yeah by beating up regular humans, wow.

>SSB Goku can control his strength because of SSB's perfect ki control
Pic related also 17 was holding back aswell.

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Would you drink her fluids?

You called?

May blessings be upon you, fellow soldiers of Lord Frieza.

>worst DB show

See: >www.strawpoll.me/11135073/r

I'LL DON'T LET THAT HAPEN FREIZR HAVE MY FIST INSTEAD

>www.strawpoll.me/11135073/r
Liking GT is one thing, an opinion I can accept but not agree with, however thinking that it's better than Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z is another thing entirely.

Whenever these dudes get to kick ass too.

Pure!

>Cellfags still THIS salty

I'd drink her fucking sweat if I could hit that in return

>Defending
Nope, I just find it funny how people were shitting on GT because of shit writing regarding Super 17's powerup, while these same people damage control the shit out of DBS for doing the same probably even worse.

I still prefer DBS over GT.

A cute!

>responding to himself after no one replied
>cauliflafag

GIMME SOME OF THAT JUICE I NEED IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

If liking GT makes you a Pedro, what does liking Super make you?

Will the GoDs actually finally see some action? I've been waiting for this for quite a while myself, but they're just there, lingering in the background.

will TOEI give Frost a golden transformation or a silver one?

>ningen
>cute

>cellcucks
>gilfags this stupid
WEW LAD

UNRIVALED is the one with a limitless sword and Impossible stances.

A normal, functioning human being.

>insert wall of text about bad pacing, poorly written one dimensional characters, how there's no actual feeling of anything at stake, missed opportunities, inconsistencies, artificial romance, the fact it's hard to care about any of the characters we once loved because they're portrayed so badly
elaborate

Silver would be inferior, I'd rather diamond or platinum

>Will the GoDs actually finally see some action?

A faggot

fucking fujos man, you guys never cease to amaze me with your blatant refusal of straightness

a Jamal

GT Pros:
> Japanese OST

GT Cons:
>Keeping Goku a kid throughout the series
>First saga = poor attempt to mimic Dragon Ball's feeling of adventure
>Random minion "stronger than Majin Buu!"
>Pan in general
>Android 17 + Android 17 (with a trenchcoat!)=SS4
>SS4 isn't a natural progression from SS3. You can skip from SS1 to SS4 if you can control G.Oozaru
>SS4 Goku's magic pants. Also why is Goku ONLY an adult as SS4?
> SS4 Vegeta's Supet Mullet
>Becoming Golden Oozaru because of "blutz waves" is stupid
>Trunks was lame.
>Trunks was also hurt from a car crash
>Goten was a complete shit character
>So was Marron. Shit and useless.
>Bra, with her being the daughter of Vegeta and Saiyan heritage, never fought. Also shit character.
>Uub, the second coming of Goku, was shit
> Uub also jobbed after fusing with Buu
>No adult Gotenks, not like it matters because Trunks/Goten individually were ruined.
> Old Kai being able to pull out Goku's tail with tweezers came out of nowhere.
> Why didn't Old Kai mention this in the Buu Saga?
>Pan not becoming SS. But Goku Jr does.
>Piccolo was basically absent. Except when they killed him off.
>Same with Krillin
>Was Tien even in GT?
>Gohan's loss of Mystic wasn't explained
>Gohan supposedly continued training, but was completely useless
>Kid Goku's base form = SS3 Buu Saga Goku
>Despite that, Kid Goku cannot hold SS3 for a decent time
>Kid Goku beating Freeza & Cell at the same time, base form, with a stick
>SS4 Goku cannot beat Super 17, but Base Kid Goku can in one shot
>SS4 Goku cannot tank a ki blast from Omega, but Base Kid Goku can
>7 Shadow Dragons, basically only Goku fights
>GT stands for "Goku Time". Fuck everyone else.
>SS4 Vegeta was useless
>Vegeta in general was useless. Except for his body being used by a villain.
> Vegeta couldn't even beat un-fused Android 17
>Final villain was bland, lame, and had a boring personality and terrible design
>WELCOME TO THE GRAND TOUR

>The realization that as Dragon ball continued in series it got worse and worse
Fug.

That was like over 60 episodes ago, something new would help

1 more day before her popularity skyrockets

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>Torankusu
>ningen
Soon

No rebuttal huh? Top kek

BURACKU!!!!!!!!!!

Why is Deku such a ningen?

That doesn't even make sense user

Are you really just posting the same exact response from last thread, faggot?

See:

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do saiyans even sweat? They can breathe in space and they have never been shown sweating in the entire series unlike human scum

>Are you really just posting the same exact response from last thread, faggot?
You mean exactly like you? Yeah.

See

By training he didn't mean beat up poachers. He probably did the same thing everyone else does when training by themselves. And since his body has been enhanced his potential might be far above everyone else's.

they have gotten so lazy that her body almost looks like a stick figure with hair drawn on

Her torso is way too slim

I'm hoping they do since I've been waiting too. Surely they'd know people would want to see them smash shit, especially after all their reveals, so it's a matter of time.

To-Torankusu...

>that puny pathetic aura compared to Vegeta's

Caulifla will be Namek SSJ Goku level lol

kek

>add in the fact that villains like Cell and Frieza were only there for comical relief/Goku bashing purposes.
>Nappa barked like a fucking God before Vegeta killed him again, acting all smug before inevitably jobbing to fucking unfused 17
>17 actually being a villain who would willingly submit to Gero's and Myu's wiles
>Baby being a poor man's Frieza
>Gohan and Goten being literally worse than jobbers
>Trunks being a whiny bitch
>Pan's autistic screeching
>Bulma looking like Hillary Clinton, Chichi and Videl looking like old grandmothers
>Gohan being a massive faggot