How can you hate her Sup Forums?

How can you hate her Sup Forums?

That strawberry ruins her fashion.

Because I'm not an obnoxious waifucuck.

I don't hate her for what she did as a kid, but when she was older and immediately did the same thing again to Shoko, that's when she was irredeemable.

I'd fondle her beautiful tatas

I wanted to forgive her so badly, but after the scene with her beating up Shoko, I just couldn't. She's a selfish, unreasonable cunt.

She literally beats the shit out of a handicapped person.

I know she's a horrible person, but's she possibly the most attractive character I've seen in the last 5 years so I don't care.

ITT: people with terrible character comprehension

That sounds far worse than just saying that she beat the shit out of a deaf person.

Ueno is a fucking cunt. She only started to be better on the last fucking chapter.

You've got to be kidding me.

No matter what problem she had, what she did was out of order and complete unjustifiable even if she did have a crush on main guy

she got mad because the Ishida almost died because of Shouko how is that unreasonable?

That strawberry right there shows that she's just some cold person, that shirt was probably bought by her mom and since Ueno loves her mom she still wears the shirt even though the strawberry ruins her fashion.

I'm not even talking about that, I'm talking about when she first sees shoko as an adult and takes out her hearing aid again and tries to bully her to impress the main guy.

She gets jealous after Ishida tells her that he gave Shouko the pouch

>This character has done absolutely awful things for very superficial reasons
>YOU JUST DON'T HAVE CHARACTER COMPREHENSION

Name one positive characteristic about her besides her looks.

>Main character risks his life to save this girl he obviously likes
>Better go beat the shit out of her

If she actually cared about Ishida, she wouldn't take it out on Shoko.

How does that make her any less of a bitch?

this

Lets say you love someone but it turns out that this someone loves someone else, how would you react when the one you love almost dies because of this someone else's selfish actions? You would be pretty fucking mad, no?

I don't get why people find her so amazingly attractive when she is LITERALLY Reina with a different nose.

She looks much sexier than Reina.

I liked the part in the manga where she told the fat fuck to not touch her

She's not doing it out of some meaningless malice is what I'm saying.

A better looking nose, better looking eyes too.

Reina is literally a bigger uppity bitch than Ueno. Sluttier too.

It's okay to be mad but she got physical.

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>If she actually cared about Ishida, she wouldn't take it out on Shoko.

You really didn't understand jack shit about that scene, do you.

Ah, yeah that was really mean. I expected Ishida to get mad at her, but I dont understand why he didn't.
>If she actually cared about Ishida, she wouldn't take it out on Shoko.
I disagree, see

>and tries to bully her to impress the main guy.

Is that what you got from that scene? Really?

Ueno is sexier but Reina has fatter thighs.

You still have terrible comprehension.

They have entirely different appeals. Reina is a high class hime bimbo that turns women gay. Ueno is a tomboyish childhood friend who's dtf after a few drinks

So lovely.

Ok, then please explain how your waifu is an irredeemable bitch.

The way she cares for Ishida is self-centered and superficial. She knew Ishida wouldn't have wanted her to do that, and that Ishida loves Shoko more than her. If she truly cared about Ishida, she would respect his feelings.

Ueno is a good character but that doesn't make her likable.
She is a bitch and a bad person, there is no denying that.

>If she truly cared about Ishida
That's bullshit and shows you've never been infatuated with someone.
The "if you really cared about him, you'd respect his feelings" thing never happens. You can't let go of your passions just because you acknowledge them to be irrational.
>a bad person
She isn't irredeemable or fundamentally rotten like Kawai for example.
Ueno herself acknowledges (when speaking to Ishida) that her behavior is despicable.

>Based KyoAni is bringing about Ueno Renaissance
Is there anything these gods can't do

>Ueno herself acknowledges (when speaking to Ishida) that her behavior is despicable
Yes, Kawai was the fakest of the bunch but ueno despite having self-insight doesn't make her any less of a bitch or excuse her actions.

It's so cute when anons talk of things they never experienced or knew.

Kawai is pretty fake and stuff but hey atleast she made a shit ton of paper swans.

Actually it does. Kawai was a bitch who cared only about herself, Ueno genuinely cared for Ishida's wellbeing and thus got extremely frustrated when Shouko's nihilistic personality kept putting him in danger and making him feel miserable.

It makes the difference between redeemable and unforgivable.
Also, Ueno's actions weren't completely devoid of meaning or reason. She was right about Nishimiya being a faker even though her method was wrong.

She plays the villain. She is harsh. She brings the spice in this lame show. She tells Shouko to drop that lame "martyr poor me everyone is better without me" bullshit, only conceited people like this faggot shits on the only good character in this wankfest.

Ueno forever.

So you admit she was being irrational? I never denied that her emotions made sense, just that she was being self-centered and superficial. I get where she was coming from, but her doing shit like this happens a lot in the series.

If it was a one time fit of passion, I would say that it was understandable. But Ueno does some of the worst bullying in the series. She has no right to act so selfish when Ishida chose to risk his life for a girl who she herself bullied so badly.

Is she the one who essentially called one of her fat, manlet suitors "genetic trash"?

If she loves him so much why she didn't helped him when she needed her the most? Her "love" for Ishida is just an excuse to be a bully.

I understood what you meant from the start but that is in no way realistic. I dont want to use the word "cuck" but that really is some cuck mentality.
>you can fuck this guy because I really care about you and I respect your feeling

Maybe a better comparison is Shoukos mom. Are you saying her being mad at Ishida was unjustified because Shouko herself wasn't mad at Ishida for bullying her? Ofcourse not, anyone would get mad when someone you care about gets hurt.

They redeemed Kawai

Amen.

>If she truly cared about Ishida, she would respect his feelings.
t. western nu-male

ITT: anime only fags

Did you even read the manga? She tried helping Ishida everytime she could, in fact she was the most supportive and active character in the show towards him.
Sure sometimes it backfired (like at the bridge) but nobody tried to improve Ishida's life more than Ueno.

At least she's honest.
Girls who lie, tell you "you'll find someone" and keep you around are the worst.
Ueno is straightforward and blunt, that's good.

>brings "martyrdom is wrong" message
>continues to come to bitchboy in coma
Christian culture

Apparently she liked Ishida, even loved him. Apparently she would do anything for him.

Yet this girl let Ishida be relentlessly bullied and scapegoated, despite everyone having equal responsibility. She even joined in with it. When he left the school, she never went looking for him, even though he always lived/worked in the same place.

Are these the actions of someone who loves the other? Are these the acts of someone who would do anything to protect that person?

>anons defending a girl who assaulted a deaf person
I know she's hot and at least has her reasons, but damn guys.

>Shouko
>nihilistic
Are you common sense impaired?

Everyone in the manga have their own problems. I'd say Shouko overcame hers more than Ueno did, but also Ueno made her valuable, though harsh input in Shouko's progress.

One of the key point of the story is that young kids can and will be shitty.
It takes years of maturation and experience to look back on your past actions and see the wrong of your doing.

However when Ueno and Ishida met again she did feel sorry for joining the other sheeps and abandoning him, and tried to help and push him to move forward at every chance she had since then.

Ueno fags are in full force today.

When someone shows clear interest in another girl, and complete contempt for you, the best choice is to move on.

Yes, it was reasonable for a Shouko's mom to get mad at Ishida for bullying her daughter. But Ishida was still a kid. The difference between Ishida and Ueno is that Ishida actually grew up, realized what he did was wrong, and decided to actually make up for his mistakes.

Ueno is too hot to hate. All is forgiven because of how she looks. Just look at how fuckable she is.

>Yes, it was reasonable for a Shouko's mom to get mad at Ishida for bullying her daughter. But Ishida was still a kid. The difference between Ishida and Ueno is that Ishida actually grew up, realized what he did was wrong, and decided to actually make up for his mistakes.

Just like Ueno did, only her efforts focused on Ishida while Ishida's focused on Shouko.

Seems like she wanted to let it go, that's pretty reasonable thing for a selfish person to do, yet failed. She probably even recognized Ishida first time they've met after elementary, but pretended she did not.

The funny things is that I haven't watched the movie but nice try.

And yes, she was too afraid to help him back when the teacher put the blame him on him, too afraid to back him up when Kawai cried to play the victim, to afraid to offer him at least some comfort after he got beat up. Sure she was mad at everyone but also was too scared of getting bullied to do something about it

Sure she loves him but not enough to risk her own safety for him.

Why would you not hate her? She's a 2D girl who acts like a 3D girl in real life. Which makes her absolutely worthless.

I have the feeling that anime brought in a different reason for Ueno to bully Sahara: the jealosity of being friends with another person. And in fact it was probably the jealosity towards Shouko, whom Ueno helped a lot. From all the classmates Shouko communicated with Ueno the most, and suddenly switched her attention to Sahara.

Good luck finding that sort of willpower in an early middle schooler.

3D girls don't stay by your bedside when you're in a coma
3D girls don't have souls

I want to advocate Kawai since she was mentioned in the thread multiple times.

Kawai's case of being deaf to others' trouble is the most subtle from all those mentioned. Blinding yourself is easy. Going with the flow without seeling it is super easy. And, as manga shows, sometimes Kawai blinded herself deliberately. But why? Because she got too used to the sweet world of dreaming and imagining, and roleplaying. And, as she says in her chapter, if she wouldn't go this way, she would just want to die. In other words, she has shut herself from seeing her imperfectness because seeing it would hurt her too much. I suppose her family background has something to do with that, but anyway. Can user say that he has never been like Kawai? I guess no. And look, catching yourself on similar behavior is quite hard. It's subtle. It looks like you're doing nothing wrong. And, in fact, it can be therapeutic for someone who would hate and destroy themselves in other case. Like Shouko did.

As a 3D girl I can't agree to this, but as I've ended up on Sup Forums, I'm probably turning 2,5D anyway soon.

Ueno has no mom.

Nobody cares, go blog elsewhere.

Did I mention that I'm a male? lmao

she was born from demons

NOSE PORN

She has a bunch of little brothers tho. Scary.

We were conceited! Ueno forever!

Sure, but while everyone else had grown and was trying to change later on Kawai didn't.
She still fucked over Ishida in front of the entire class to bolster her image and act the victim.

Well, Kawai definitely deserves this kind of notion, I'd like to admit that "being aware but not interfering" isn't equal to "pretending it's not there", and that makes yet another neurotic disorder patient there. It's kinda ok for a children tho.

She isn't objectively a bad person. She's misguided but not beyond saving. Pretty much everyone in this story has issues, I don't get why people focus on Ueno so much when Kawai is a literal sociopath.

She didn't step up when Shouya got bullied himself, but they were kids and she felt bad about it. That's hardly unforgivable given the circumstances.
The other thing is that she still behaved like a bitch towards Shouko after they reunited. But how is that not understandable (not morally justifiable though) given her own point of view?

Indeed she is. Actually, her behavior shows hysterical temperament.

I suppose Mashiba can make her grow if he keeps being as soft in his critique as he was in his chapter. I still feel bad for her _exactly_ because she was the one who never really managed to face her weakness, except that little moment when she cries on Shouko's shoulder about how she would want to die.

And in the film she's basically shown as more stupid than deluded, yet kind when it comes for her to actually act. That lukewarm type of a person, y'know.

>boo hoo I wadda die
Not textbook nihilism, but Shouko is pretty dumb.

Is Thaifag still around? Just wanted to say thanks for that wild ride of ongoing.

You're currently acting as a nihilistic one, you know that?
Also, everyone is dumb in one way or another, and Shou

>suicidal thoughts = nihilism
You're just retarded.

...crap.
And Shouko has a long backstory of being called a nuisance and a divine punishment to her family. It's hard to oppose that in your mind.

I know she's a deeply flawed person but I can't help but like her still. There's something about her outside of her appearance.

On the other hand Shouko is nice and I feel bad for her, but I don't find her character as compelling as Ueno for some reason.

she beat the shit out of a deaf, suicidal, victim of abuse who she used to torment throughout elementary school.

Ueno a shit. A SHIT

Every child bullies other children. If you don't, you're simply too weak.

Get over it, idiot. That's how the world works.

It's an apple
I wonder if she died before she started bullying Shouko in elementary school or later.

How am I nihilistic?
Suicidal behavior makes no sense. Either you actually can't bear it and you kill yourself without involving others unlike what she did, or you strive to make your life less shitty.

She beat her for a reason.
Would it have been completely ok if Shouko hadn't been deaf?

Why did Shouko have hearing aids of she couldn't hear shit anyway?

The world is not black and white.

Maybe she didn't die. Maybe she just left the family and ran away or something. Maybe she had the same anger issues and broke the marriage down. Maybe she became mental.

I suppose it was rather early, cause Ueno seems to be used to being responsible for the younger siblings.

It's how the world used to work in the stone age.
We can remove those tendencies by punishing the kids that bully others

She's pretty terrible.

no, and Shouko being deaf therefore makes it either the same amount of awful or worse.

>All these faggots arguing over her personality

When you're as hot as she is, it doesn't matter how many kids you beat in your spare time

mango sucks, just watch the movie

you're right. We should beat up crime victims

She could hear shit. A bit of it.

I suppose Shouko would be a generic sweet girl if it wasn't for her impairment. It's all the difficulties and on the other side all the support she has received which made her into an unusual personality. The fact that she had to overcome a lot forced her growth.
Ueno, on the other way, developed rather diverce personality early. Which doesn't change the fact she's a thug.