BASED economist DESTROYS alt-right on immigration

BASED economist DESTROYS alt-right on immigration

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I love how they always obfuscate illegal immigration with all immigration. One of the most kike-ish things in the world to do.

>(((Alt-right)))

>immigration is good economically

>Now bring in uneducated subhuman illegal aliens and refugees from their shitholes and give them free gibs

Not buying it

>(((alt-right)))

As compared to overstayed legal immigration?
Go do some research and figure out which one contributes the greater extent to the current number of illegal immigrants.

>A few shekels today are more important than the entire history and genetic lineage of your folk into the infinite future.

Really jogs my noggin.

>leftists now are all about treating humans as interchangeable machines and debt slaves to preserve the lavish lifestyle of rich CEOs and oligarchs

Pure pottery.

> Overstayed illegal immigration
> Not a form of illegal immigration
You gotta kill yourself, there's just no way to turn this retardation around.

lol fuck this guy, and faggots like him who think twitter threads are proper forms of discourse and not a degeneration of human communication

1. They pay for the retirements of the native-born.

>our native population isn't having enough kids so let's invite outsiders to pay for our old people's retirement instead of encouraging our natives to have more kids... which kicks the can down the road and exacerbates the problem even more in a generation

2. They are highly entrepreneurial.

>instead of encouraging our native population to build businesses let's instead invite outsiders to profit from our existing somewhat stable society while robbing natives of that opportunity

3. They help keep America the center of the world economy.

>let's rob the best talent from foreign countries so that they are forever unable to build up their own societies while also making it harder for our native populations to get those same job positions outsiders would take - such as Indians in the tech industry

3/Immigrants also help save declining towns, counties, and states. Immigration is the best hope for the Midwest and Northeast.

>let's give free money to "refugees" and send them into small towns where they won't be noticed, the free government money will boost the local economy and no one will be the wiser

4/Finally, Americans just LIKE immigrants.

That was before the welfare state. Before the welfare state, when immigrants came they were forced to succeed or they went back home! Now they leech and have kids and bring their family here to leech too.

So how about you make it legal to cross your southern border?

>Someone inside US wants job done
>Someone outside US will do job
>Comes to US to do job
Skill level and relative demand changes the magnitude of the gains from immigration but there are almost always gains

Besides, you're probably an EN so you couldn't just oppose low skilled immigrants

I would gladly shoulder the economic burden of expelling our illegal slave population. Ah, but these people could never understand that because they're all members of the tribe.

Economists tend to be narrow minded and ignore the rest of factors that aren't immediately tied to economic indicators
t. Has fairly good background in econ

staying majority white more beneficial to me than the bankers having more people they can crush with predatory loans

nigger what the fuck

Well at that point you're just protecting your genetic lineage for the sake of protecting your genetic lineage. Whats the point if everyone else is left worse off?

are you retarded?

Also, if it were possible, I would vote to dump 1,000,000 Somalians onto their cities like San Francisco. That would be super great for their local economy and way of life, right? This guy seems convinced it could only be a good thing.

But it's proving to be false in Europe as most of the rapeugees have no prior education or training to do even the simplest of jobs that would need to be filled to prop up the economy.
They are just leaching money resources from state welfare programs because the cannot work any jobs that would bring value to the economy
Apparently that economist didn't take current world events into account and is still playing on the theoretical numbers games they used to trick eurocucks into letting in those shitskins that are destroying their economies

>More
Replying to @Noahpinion
You missed the argument that mass migration is dismantling America’s traditional European heritage.

>Peter Zhang

What a strange world

And... he's a Jew what a surprise. archive.is/4uZLp

...what do you think overstayed legal immigration becomes? baka

population of japan 127 million
population of America 329 million
Nigeria shit hole 195 million
Facts. They seem fine where they are.

>(((Bloomberg)))

>who cares if we fuck up everyone's lives and turn the country into a shithole, we made the numbers go higher!
read pic related then kill yourself for being a retard

What gave it away?
The fact he's an economist was a dead giveaway to me ,honestly find an western economist that isn't a jew

>which kicks the can down the road and exacerbates the problem even more in a generation
Immigrants are younger and long term GDP growth is predicted by median age of a country, it'd help fund pensions

>instead of encouraging our native population to build businesses let's instead invite outsiders to profit from our existing somewhat stable society while robbing natives of that opportunity
While also losing out on all the businesses that would've been created by immigrants and all the customers they'd serve and workers they'll employee and also shouldering the cost of the incentives for natives.

>let's rob the best talent from foreign countries so that they are forever unable to build up their own societies
If there's a demand for doctors in the third world less doctors would be leaving the third world. Also remittances.

>let's give free money to "refugees" and send them into small towns where they won't be noticed
This already happens with the natives in the Midwest, you'd just be boosting the working population this way.

There is nothing "based" about towing the globalist party line. It is pure cowardice and conformity.

You are a faggot.

His arguments are that more people working stimulates the economy. He is correct. Nobody can deny this, nor would they try.

What he ignores is the cost of having an non-assimilable group growing in number and power within a nation's borders. When that group also has a high propensity for violent crime the cost not only outweighs the benefit, it is shocking and alarming.

Once again, you are a faggot.

>>Someone inside US wants job done
>>Someone outside US will do job
>>Comes to US to do job

You can't name a job what an US citizen won't do. It's only matter of the wage. You don't import workers to get job done, you import cheap workers to get job done for cheap. With half a brain you can guess why is it bad for your own economy and labor force, im not going into it.

Stop pretending

These assholes literally believe that gibs help the economy by putting more money into it thereby creating employment for producers of goods and the service industry. It's called money velocity and it goes up when lots of people are living hand to mouth and down when people are parking money away in savings accounts. It's makes wealth hand over fist for people who are major stake holders in decently sized (((corporations))) though...

Blocked within minutes for saying immigration =/= illegal immigration, what a pussy that he can't take a simple outside opinion like that.

That's a bubble, and it's popping as we speak in Europe

>But it's proving to be false in Europe as most of the rapeugees
>All immigrants are war refugees

>no prior education or training to do even the simplest of jobs that would need to be filled to prop up the economy.
Nope. What lack of education exists is concentrated among women who are forced both financially and by the governments of Europe to attend school.

>They are just leaching money resources from state welfare programs because the cannot work any jobs that would bring value to the economy
Well this only started happening three years ago so its probably way too soon to say

Jews don't like it when their manipulative propaganda can be disputed with facts

>oy vey it brings the GDP up goyim so it's good
>>>>>civic life goes to shit here because all people are innately racist to the point where not even race mixing can stop people from making up an us and them, and also there because brain drain

>labor surplus good
>low wages good
>labor shortage bad
>competition for labor bad
>higher wages bad

Don't start a dialogue and try and convince those who disagree with you that you're right and why you're right, just fuckin block em. That'll show him!

DER ONLY ONE FOLK DAT BE HUMAN FOLK!!

He was clearly referring to the situation in Germany you neoliberal brainlet, Aus stats need not apply.

Numbers which are highly correlated to both objective and subjective measures of happiness

what exactly is your argument

You do realize social workers tell them lie on their immigration applications about their education?

(((Economist)))
It's about race, not money you fucking kike.

*yawns*
*sips tea*
*braaaaps*

How own statistics don't even agree with him. Literally a fourth of the men have NEVER worked. Their school education is also third world and often neglibel even for the about 80% males who did attend school. At best they have the very basics in their own language. This is a far shot from what modern education in Western countries looks like. He's pretty much full of shit.

That's why they stick to the "everything that doesn't conform to our jewish propaganda is racist and therefor irrelevant"

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Then...at the very least, we have our lineage, whereas you have nothing.

That genetic lineage alone carries the very tradition of humanitarianism, forward-thought and technological innovation. The white race alone is keeping the entire human species (and it’s retarded subspecies cousins) alive. Replace it with less human populations and you’ll get a global Brazil ruled by the few families smart enough to keep their high-IQ genes pure (read: Jesuits, kikes, certain asiatics). Race is everything. Not to mention, that ruling class currently and has historically never had an interest in humanity’s economic or spiritual well-being. If the kikes win, humanity will live and die and be swept away by the winds of time on Earth.

Not to mention every economic explanation in support of immigration and illegal immigration does several things wrong. First of all they conflate illegal immigration with immigration. Second, they ignore cultural differences. social incompatibility and integration time. Third, they consider sub-humans to be equally competent, intelligent and hireable as natives instantly upon entry. Fourth, they completely ignore factors such as immediate and future quality of life and social trust. Points two, three and four fall under the umbrella of Capitalist (((neoconservative/neoliberal))) exploitation.

And the most damning of all, the fifth point- considering high GDP and (((debt-based wealth creation))) to be more desirable than all of the aforementioned factors. This alone flies in the face of the values that modern liberals pretend to stand for- that money is not everything, and that raising the quality of life for all humans and reducing inequality supersedes accumulation of wealth. Ironically, mixed economy fascist ethnostates (obviously with considerations for ethnic super-minorities, honorary-[X group]s and extensive tourism) for all ethnic groups would in fact accomplish that long-desired advancement.

I’m also going to lynch you on DOTR.

>a hungarian btfos an aussie
wow. I actually love this thread.

read the book before you post here again retard

>It's only matter of the wage. You don't import workers to get job done
Well thats just bad luck for the American worker. He should've stayed in school longer, picked up some more skills or he can just accept a lower wage. What he CAN'T do is get the government to stop private businesses from employing people willing to do what he wont'.

>With half a brain you can guess why is it bad for your own economy and labor force
It's bad for workers without a high school diploma sure but everyone else is better off. If labour costs drop prices of goods drops as well and thus costs of living.

>3 years
>its too soon to say
By gosh, you're right, we should let another couple million in while we "wait and see". Meanwhile ignore those 3rd generation turks in Berlin of whom the majority are still on Welfare or the Danish report that states more than 80% of all welfare recipients have a foreign background.

>burger education

>GDP per capita
I see you're already trying to weasel trough. GDP is not the same as GDP per capita, and importing foreigners that are a net drain on the economy decrease the GDP per capita.

The question is, for whom. The only way refugees and mudslimes contribute in most Western countries is through gibs. They produce artificial demand for goods which they buy through gibs. Said gibs does not come out of thin air but is government money being redistributed. Instead of going to schools, roads, infrastructure it's given to mudslimes and other trash and then spend to buy various things they want. Which means you could get the same goddamn outcome if you gave the money directly to the corporations in the form of subsidies. Except you'd import no crimals and other issues. It's absolutely retarded and a short term artificial increase of the GDP (not per capita mind you) that effectively burns the place to the ground in the long run.

>illegal immigration as compared to overstayed legal immigration?
also known as: illegal immigration. the absolute state of the liberal brain.

>And the most damning of all, the fifth point- considering high GDP and (((debt-based wealth creation))) to be more desirable than all of the aforementioned factors. This alone flies in the face of the values that modern liberals pretend to stand for- that money is not everything, and that raising the quality of life for all humans and reducing inequality supersedes accumulation of wealth. Ironically, mixed economy fascist ethnostates (obviously with considerations for ethnic super-minorities, honorary-[X group]s and extensive tourism) for all ethnic groups would in fact accomplish that long-desired advancement.

(Cont.) I’m going to comment on my previous point on GDP. This one point rushes boiling blood to my cheeks and makes me clench my fists with the purest form of fury. Economists and the brainwashed humanitarians that worship them are among the lowest forms of living organism. There would be no greater pleasure in seeing them dangling by the necks from the bridges and crosswalks that belong to the people of the nations they’ve betrayed and sold out. And to see children running up to their corpses to steal and sell their watches, wallets and shoes. The future will be beautiful.

>Trusting an economist ever.

This.
/thread

Sorry wrong one

So are there any stats you'd accept regarding education of refugees?

Whenever someone says BASED it’s a shill thread. These arguments are sophomoric and laughable. I don’t fucking care about how much money is going to line the pockets of shitheels...we, the 99%, don’t want to live in neighborhoods that don’t reflect our sensibilities. Period.

>It's bad for workers without a high school diploma sure but everyone else is better off. If labour costs drop prices of goods drops as well and thus costs of living.
Factually untrue. From the get go you are happily ignoring things such as crime rates and other societal issues who arise from this which affect most people to try and make your case. You're also ignoring that the people who profit from this are a surprisingly small group. Mostly people who do not interact with wider society and reap the benefits such as lower production costs which are offset by higher demand and NOT passed on to the end consumers. It also affects more than just the working class. With things such as H1B Visas it's rapidly spreading across the entire spectrum of society. Scooping off the outliers from countries such as India while happily ignoring regression towards the mean which kicks in in the next generation. People who are heavily government subsidized, allow for tax cuts etc making them far cheaper to employ from the get go compared to a local. A local who even if they wanted to can't lower their wages below a certain point as they have bills and debts to pay including those they amassed during their education.

In conclusion, you're a dishonest piece of shit.

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Why bother protecting genetic lineage if it means materially everyone's worse off?

>Literally a fourth of the men have NEVER worked
It says paid work. If you're working on the family farm herding sheep you wouldn't be counted.

>Their school education is also third world and often neglibel even for the about 80% males who did attend school
The stats don't say that

I have a comfortable life and can afford to spend less of my time working doing the things I'd rather be doing

That's nice. Again, we'll have heritage, and your offspring will be rootless.

What about the other part of user's post that they'll find work? Even the fuggin commissioner of immigration warned back in June that in five years 75% of these motherfuckers won't have jobs and knowing Merkel's gov he was putting an optimistic spin on those numbers. Also I'm 100% those stats are misleading, Syria's tertiary degrees are highly suspect which require re-certification in most western countries and I'm just smirking at those Eritrean and Afghani numbers. Other user was right, the social workers are messing about.

>Why bother protecting genetic lineage if it means materially everyone's worse off?

It's like paying extra for an apartment with a nice view.

Why don't you go back to fucking Sudan

This dudes argument isnt even worth arguing with.
Theres no debate to be had.
A welfare state and mass immigration is unsustainable. These fags want to pull a rabbit out of a hat and tell you the basic laws of sustainability somehow dont apply to these magic brown people. So they wheel out everything from their bag of tricks to pull the wool over your eyes and hypnotise you into submission, like a pig being fed to the slaughter.

Competing workers being added to an already over-competitive middle class harms said workers. Period.

Literally no amount of jewey studies can convince me otherwise. Its like pissing down my back and telling me its raining.

Immigration is "good economically" because immigrants lower the price of labor, by bloating the labor supply, while raising the price of goods and services, by consuming without producing, and that's how they raise GDP. That kind of GDP growth only benefits transnational elites, not the people of the nation.
Of course, I for one value racial homogeneity and the high trust, high quality society it allows over a few arguable GDP points.

>That genetic lineage alone carries the very tradition of humanitarianism, forward-thought and technological innovation
A good chunk of what Sup Forums will claim under white innovation is pretty often just Jewish innovation. Try to explain any science, ideology or philosophy without Jewish contribution and you'll only tell half the story.

>Replace it with less human populations and you’ll get a global Brazil ruled by the few families smart enough to keep their high-IQ genes pure
Such huge inequitably is normally only a product of government corruption which depends primarily on a countries public institutions than it does race. Even white first world countries like Spain with all the economic and diplomatic advantages can still be more corrupt than countries like Botswana.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

>First of all they conflate illegal immigration with immigration
Its difficult to measure the economic impact of illegals but if you want an idea just look at the impact of low skilled immigrants in general.

>social incompatibility and integration time
This is something that economists tend to measure, pic related

>they consider sub-humans to be equally competent, intelligent and hireable as natives instantly upon entry
Immigrants from non-white countries tend to be less competent than the average native this is true however they do not need to be more or equally competent to have positive economic impacts. There are plenty of jobs available for low skilled workers at low wages.

> Fourth, they completely ignore factors such as immediate and future quality of life and social trust
Quality of life is addressed by economics by social trust is really a sociological question. I admit there can be problems with cohesion in multicultural societies but I'm not sure whatever strife exists comes even close to outweighing proven economic benefits.

youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

>the left uses them as slaves
we know

The typical "no one will do it" jobs don't require longer education or skill and people don't accept lower wage because they are living fine on the leftist created social welfare (which doesn't exists or offers a lot less in the "shithole" countries where illegal immigrants come from)

Actually government CAN stop businesses from employing cheap and illegal workers. That's the whole point.... it's called minimal wage, deportation, cutting back on welfare and raising taxes on import products

And the kraut bro answered your second point

>There are plenty of jobs available for low skilled workers at low wages.

not for long

>1. They pay for the retirements of the native-born.
That's bullshit because whites are the only race that are net-taxpayers, and immigrants as a class are overwhelmingly tax-takers rather than -payers.
>They are highly entrepreneurial.
Because they get special tax exemptions and low to no interest loans for the mere fact that they're nonwhite immigrants, and there's a lot of fraud that goes with these programs.
>They help keep America the center of the world economy.
I'd rather have an autarkic, isolationist white ethnostate with a modest economy than the bullshit we have now.
>3/Immigrants also help save declining towns, counties, and states.
They utterly destroy these towns, erase the native population and their customs, create spikes in violent crime where little to none existed.
>4/Finally, Americans just LIKE immigrants.
Not when they actually have a say in immigration issues.

>immigration is good for you goyim, trust me

These fucking kikes are engaging in class warfare. They are actively hurting you. Realize this, they are actively killing off your livelihood. You might as well return the favor

>Why bother protecting genetic lineage if it means materially everyone's worse off?
I would happily make everyone else materially worse off to protect my genetic lineage. My preference is to promote my genetic DNA over other peoples happiness. Is this preference so unthinkable that you had to ask this question?

>Corruption_Perceptions_Index
>Perception_Index
>Perception
>Spain with all the economic and diplomatic advantages can still be more corrupt than countries like Botswana.
It's not a measure of corruption, it's public perception of corruption.

You keep doing this in every post you make. Why do you constantly have to misrepresent data and why do you believe this will ultimately help your argument as opposed to imploding it?

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I'm a liberal and money is very important to me. People trash GDP but its very much tied to everything you've mentioned. Pretty much any standard you set for what defines happiness or quality of life will inevitably be highly correlated to a countries GDP per capita .

>By gosh, you're right, we should let another couple million in while we "wait and see"
Well you can try model how long it will take for refugee's to start net positive contribution but it's only rough

>Meanwhile ignore those 3rd generation turks in Berlin of whom the majority are still on Welfare or the Danish report that states more than 80% of all welfare recipients have a foreign background.
Source on the first one? Also Denmark has a lot of recent immigrants, you don't measure fiscal impacts over the space of a few years.

>A good chunk of what Sup Forums will claim under white innovation is pretty often just Jewish innovation. Try to explain any science, ideology or philosophy without Jewish contribution and you'll only tell half the story
Most of your post is horseshit, but I'll pick this one.

The modern world does not have much Jewish innovation outside of highly theoretical fields with limited practical application (String Theory). The computer and its microprocessor, internal combustion engine, almost every modern day convenience like air conditioning, pretty much every mathematical and scientific law was named for Europeans, not Chazars. Read about the modern evolutionary synthesis (our understanding of biology), all the pioneers are White and some of them are Christian. Whites dominate in engineering, both real-world and computer science. There's another field that is missing alleged Jewish pioneers. Some Jews are brilliant, but they are also the most dedicated self-promoters.

were the car, vaccines, steam engine, lightbulb, toothpaste, TV or about every other most revolutionary technology developed by your precious kikes? The most practical invention by the kikes were probably the jeans and it is the story of jewish invention that is pretty much plagiarising gentiles without crediting them. Even Einstein plagiarised many and is only the epitome of intelligence because he was promoted by his tribesmen. This is also how people like Freud or Adorno came to prominence.

>problems with cohesion in multicultural societies but I'm not sure whatever strife exists comes even close to outweighing proven economic benefits
The eventual problems of multicultural societies is that they stop existing. I would pay a lot of GDP/economic benefits to ensure this doesn't occur.

you fucking brainlet GDP/capita will decrease because of immigration only GDP will increase, and even if it would it wouldn't make up for the fact that you have to live near violent dumbfucks

>Quality of life is addressed by economics by social trust is really a sociological question. I admit there can be problems with cohesion in multicultural societies but I'm not sure whatever strife exists comes even close to outweighing proven economic benefits.
As Sweden no doubt realizes. Turning Malmo into a shitskin warzone was a small price to pay to give feminist CEOs a raise for cutting cost.

>I'm a liberal and money is very important to me.
Then your opinions and judgements are meaningless to me as your values are invested entirely into subjective and transient concepts rather than reality.
>Pretty much any standard you set for what defines happiness or quality of life will inevitably be highly correlated to a countries GDP per capita
You're also autistic, another reason your views are unworthy of consideration.

not to mention how the complete loss of self respect is more than outweighed by vulgar and linguistically and morally degenerative rap "music"

> From the get go you are happily ignoring things such as crime rates and other societal issues
Maybe because I was talking about costs of living

>Mostly people who do not interact with wider society and reap the benefits such as lower production costs which are offset by higher demand and NOT passed on to the end consumers
You said this responding to a post with a source showing everyone who had at least finished high school have seen an increase in their real wages as a result of immigration. No demand does not offset lowered production costs because immigration also increases specialisation.

>With things such as H1B Visas it's rapidly spreading across the entire spectrum of society
Source, you won't find one but at least try give me some study showing lowered employment among high skilled workers as a result of immigration.

>Even the fuggin commissioner of immigration warned back in June that in five years 75% of these motherfuckers won't have jobs
Over which time period? He was correct if he were to say the first few years of arrival.

>Also I'm 100% those stats are misleading, Syria's tertiary degrees are highly suspect which require re-certification in most western countries
I don't think any better info exists really, so I'm not sure what else I can do.

>but there are almost always gains
Who gets most — if not all — of these gains?

Neoliberals are worse than commies. I'd rather you helicopter them.

>Well you can try model how long it will take for refugee's to start net positive contribution but it's only rough
As opposed to using actual data from the likes of the Danish government that has been collecting it since the 90's but I guess that's not as good as your "models", right?

> Also Denmark has a lot of recent immigrants
They were a net loss before the "refugee crisis" began, and they continue to be a net loss afterwards. And that's not even accounting for increased crime that in turns increases police and court costs.

>muh GDP is the same as GDP per capita
3rd world immigration does not increase the GDP per capita but decreases it. 3rd world immigrants are a net loss everywhere in Europe.

You're either an elaborate troll or a dishonest, either way you're a faggot.

The time period I said, five years from now Germany's government still expects a 75% unemployment rate from the Syrian and co refugees.

>cheap labor is good for the economy

color me surprised.

inmigration is normally good because it drives the consumption up. Everybody have the same basic needs.

The thing is when the immigration comes from countries with incompatible cultures. Or when they become an endless drain of gibs.

>people don't accept lower wage because they are living fine on the leftist created social welfare
Agreed, the welfare system shouldn't have cliffs.

>That's the whole point.... it's called minimal wage, deportation, cutting back on welfare and raising taxes on import products
Well they can but they definitely shouldn't. You only get the job if you're the best for the job.

Longer than you might think user. UBI and automation are reddit memes we won't be kicking up our feet anytime soon.

I'd mainly want to know why you'd think that. Most people tend to value some form of happiness above everything but if you'd be willing to sacrifice that for the increasing the proportion of white people in your country then I can't convince you.

>"The 2012 CPI takes into account 13 different surveys and assessments from 12 different institutions.[5] The 13 surveys/assessments are either business people opinion surveys or performance assessments from a group of analysts.[2] Early CPIs used public opinion surveys.[6] "

Just read a bit more

>Just read a bit more
Typical leftist response when called out for peddling bullshit as facts. How far up your own ass are you?

I didn't say whites weren't important innovators just that Sup Forums will tend to claim Jewish discoveries as being European

Like which ones

>because of immigration only GDP will increase
>What is specialisation

Claims of increased crime in Sweden are exaggerated

>UBI and automation are reddit memes we won't be kicking up our feet anytime soon.

That's how I know you're clueless and your opinion shouldn't be taken seriously.
Automation is already solving the issues like aging population and it will only pick up speed. Low skilled native workers will become a problem not to mention low skilled third worlders with a chip on their shoulder. Anyone advocating immigration in it's current form is either a charlatan or has another agenda that he's not comfortable with sharing publicly.

economics.mit.edu/files/12536