Why does this guy complain so much if he's part of the problem?

Why does this guy complain so much if he's part of the problem?

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He's a grumpy perfectionist who can't accept that the world will always be stubbornly mediocre.

Because it's easier to blame someone else. Even if he is/was talented, Miyazaki prefers to complain about the anime culture.

Deciding to quit the industry when you think it is doing badly is a bad decision and participate in making it worse (still understandable as he is now pretty old), but when he was active, he wasn't part of the problem he so many times talked about. Not that he is perfect, though.

I just wish Sup Forums would leave this gentleman alone.

>leave a man that has nothing to improve the industry he so needlessly badmouthed alone
Unless he's here. We're very much leaving him alone.

He's old. Hell people complain about how much better anime was before the Light Novel wave, and before that they complained about how much better it was before the Moe Boom. Miyazaki's been working since before tv anime was big, and toei was exclusively a film studio. If anything I'm surprised he wasn't complaining earlier.

he actually makes/made good shit while we have nothing but garbage now

But Toei is one of the biggest cancers in the industry.

His self esteem blown out of proportion and he feels like he has made the anime a thing and other people ruined it so he can now complain about having made it in the first place.

Perhaps he is important, but nowhere near THAT important.

He's just an angry old man, its not his fault that every single thing he says gets reported on the news worldwide.

>good shit
Name one.

Maybe now, but in the early 60s they were the big shot animation studio.

Western animation was much more advanced back then

We're not discussing western animation right now though? I don't think anyone who knows their history would say otherwise.

You're the one that called the 60s impressive despite their utter lack of shading and extreme sameface, or half of their shows not even being in color. Compared to Disney they're an absolute joke.

>Why does this guy complain so much if he's part of the problem?

It's the same reason why all of his movies have the whole environmentalism/"save the Earth" schtick going on when Miyazaki himself is a chain smoker: he is a massive hypocrite.

Smoking does little harm to the environment, though.

I'm sorry, I didn't know I had to specify I was discussing anime on Sup Forums.

We're discussing the state of the animation industry. Or moreso one individuals hypocritical pov on it. The 1960s wasn't impressive and Toei has never been impressive. If you're going to make statements so wrong be ready for people to correct them. You're just putting things in separate boxes so you can compliment them both. It's extremely weak.

Why does OP complain so much if he is part of the problem?

I was merely expressing an opinion, if you want to move the goal posts so that everything I say has to have such a broad reach, then you're just going to be arguing with yourself lad.

>it was just an opinion
Fine. Be that weak.

It's a paradox where you recognize that the industry is flooded but as an artist you can't just withdraw from it. He's written some interesting stuff on it. Also he doesn't complain so much, that persona is largely invented.

If you think Miyazaki himself is part of the "problem", you are fundamentally misunderstanding his arguments.
Anyway, the main difference between Miyazaki and nearly every other mainstream anime production is that the former has nearly unlimited budget and thus complete artistic freedom while the latter is driven almost entirely by commercial motivation. Anime studios produce "shit" because that shit is what is the most lucrative.

Ghibli is equally commercially motivated.

Miyazaki movies are just shallow propaganda and a waste of budget. The amount of budget put in is more than 99% of all animated works and yet he's complaining about things other studios can't help but do. Please tell me how he's not part of the problem.

Firstly what do you think his problem is, and can you provide actual quotations to back that up?

Hardly.
Anything Miyzaki tacks his name on to is guaranteed to a commercial success. The entire Ghibli funding strategies operate differently from conventional anime funding strategies which rely heavily on marketing/toy deals and whatever.

Miyazaki's problem with anime is mostly due to how much derivative and unoriginal garbage there is, like all of the battle harem academy shits and idolmaster/lovelive/clones and whatever. This results in a general devaluation of anime, as a shitty medium due to its association with shitty shows, rather than as a unique medium from live-action/CGI and with its own unique merits. It also results in an almost self-perpetuating cycle as many young individuals in the anime industry are drawn into the industry because they like the "shitty" shows and thus continue to produce them.

>he's complaining about things other studios can't help but do
You're right about this. I think a lot of Miyazaki's criticism is unjustified.

I already explained why he's part of the problem. You have to explain to me why you think he isn't part of the problem despite the arguments I've just listed suggesting he very much is.

>Miyazaki's problem with anime is mostly due to how much derivative and unoriginal garbage there
So all of his movies included. Okay. So he's just a hyopcrite.

What is "the problem" though?

Thinking that Miyazaki's works are on the same level as derivative garbage as much of mainstream anime is quite the controversial opinion. I'm not going to bother trying to convince you otherwise, but as Miyazaki's work are widely critically acclaimed, you should realize you are disagreeing with many individuals well-versed in cinematic tradition and history and be exceptionally hesitant to make such an opinion.

He complains because he knows he fucked up.

>>you should realize you are disagreeing with many individuals well-versed in cinematic tradition and history and be exceptionally hesitant to make such an opinion.
>you should realize you are disagreeing with many individuals well-versed in liberal propaganda and be exceptionally hesitant to make such an opinion.

Artists and experts in a nutshell.

Fuck off back to Sup Forums please.

things I dislike

>well-versed in cinematic
Give me a break. I've counted only one Your Name review from a 'critic' that was actually on point and dared to speak negative about the movie.

Because he made the Jungle Book into an anime and nobody got it.

This might be a surprise to you, but not all of cinema is produced to push political or ideological messages, regardless of how socially subversive such notions may be as a result of liberal propaganda, nor should such be any measure of cinematic merit. Much of Nazi Germany's cinema is praised for my modern critics despite political differences. But keep doing you. You're so smart for having such an intellectual and countercultural opinion!

He isn't he doesn't create animation for otaku freaks like most of the industry.

I'm almost beginning to think you've never seen a single of this self-proclaimed pedophile's movies. Or are you making a jab at that he doesn't animate himself but has underpaid people do it for him yet still complains? Something like that?

>Miyazaki's problem with anime is mostly due to how much derivative and unoriginal garbage there is
What is Miyazaki's problem with anime? What is his criticism?

I always see people saying "Miyazaki thinks anime is shit" "Miyazaki hates moeshit" "Miyazaki hates otaku" but he has never said any of that. All just memes perpetuated by ignorant parrots.

>hates otaku yet is best friends with anno
This always confused me

Anno loves classic animation and mechanical engineering as much as he does, not hard to get.

>"Miyazaki hates otaku" but he has never said any of that.

Well he KINDA did.
youtube.com/watch?v=QRMHrlxJRxc

He's basically saying that yeah, the Zero is a really cool plane, but you shouldn't obsess and be otaku over something that killed a fuckton of people and is basically the symbol of the old empire. There's a reason the Zero never shows up in The Wind Rises despite it being about its creator.

>There's a reason the Zero never shows up in The Wind Rises despite it being about its creator.
It's in the last scene.

No, those aren't the A6M Zero. Those were A5M Claudes, Horikoshi's favorite of his designs and the predecessor to the Zero.

>friends
It's called coworker. You idiot

Follow the argument carefully. He isn't saying he hates otaku at any point. He says he doesn't like Zero fanatics because they fetishize it and are obsessed. Then says that they are otaku. Then he says otaku don't learn anything.

He isn't talking about otaku generally when he is stating who he dislikes, he is talking about people who love the Zero. He says otaku never learn anything specifically there though.

I don't even think hes being particularly hypocritical there either. It's the same kind of thing Sup Forums posters do when they differentiate themselves from "the western fanbase" who all like garbage and don't understand anime. Hating the group you are part of and thinking you are exceptional is commonplace.

>He isn't saying he hates otaku at any point.

I think he's saying he hates specifically Zero Otaku.

So his argument is that he doesn't think certain people can enjoy certain things because they're too obsessed over a a political message. And it having nothing to do with his movies being boring?

The only problem is otakus. They have shit taste and anime studios constantly cater to them.

The dream sequence with Caproni at the very end of the movie has some A6Ms in it.

Not him but it's less that they can't enjoy it, but it says something about you if you do beyond marvelling its design.

I just think him dismissing any criticism of his movie by calling people otaku is sad. Maybe he should make good movies instead.

Well this was before the movie came out that he said it.

he needs to retire , get a place in murrica and teach karate.

I think he hates military otaku that glorify weapons and violence to a certain extent in general. I remember seeing him saying how he thought handgun otaku were the worst before.

Because he's an old man so he can do whatever he wants.

So he's talking about things that never happened? Even worse.

Well the man is a pacifist irl so that's not surprising.

Why do you make Miyazaki threads everday?

>So he's talking about things that never happened?
>never happened

There's a lot of otaku of imperial japan who weren't alive to see what it was like living under it. Not just as a non-japanese, but even for the japanese themselves it was a pretty shitty life.

>who weren't alive to see what it was like living under it
This is coming from the guy that glorified Japan's aid in WW2? What a hypocrite.

Maybe he enjoys watching people debate passionately about how/why Miyazaki hates anime when he hasn't said anything of the sort.

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No I'm just speaking for myself in that these people exist and they're who Miyazaki is commenting on. I've found that a lot of Japanese who weren't alive to see the empire have a rather twisted romanticism of it. One of the few I know that explicitly paints them as bad is Tomino, as Zeon is designed after Imperial Japan (the Federation is post-war 1960s Japan)

Hey man. I'm not the one that made a literal ww2 propaganda animated feature that ran nation wide in japan's cinemas.

Neither is Miyazaki despite your interpretation.

Except it's not propoganda. The film if anything tries too hard to disconnect Jiro from the people he was working for, essentially saying "he was just a pure man that loved building and designing airplanes, but those horrible people took his designs and turned them into weapons!" Like Jiro even says in the movie, "the weight distribution is an easy fix, just don't incorporate the guns and ammunition on it". Then him and his friend laugh, knowing they won't be allowed to do that.

>no you
Old man don't you think it's time to stop curing people's insomnia?

It's not propoganda, it's reverse-propoganda. Literally the whole movie is JIRO'S A GUD BOY, HE DINDU NUFFIN! HE WAS GOIN TO PLANE SCHOOL AND ATTENDED SHRINE EVERY DAY, HE DIDN'T WANT TO GET MIXED UP IN ALL THAT.

It's saying that creators should have no responsibility for what they created.

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>It's not propoganda, it's reverse-propoganda.
Are all people that watch Miyazaki's children movies this retarded?

Nobody said "no you" and disagreeing with your interpretation of a films message isn't saying "no you" by any stretch. I suppose you don't actually have any valid points to make though so have to resort to this shitpost.

It's pretty obvious what the point is. By the fact that the film tries to distance Jiro from the responsibility for what the weapons were used for the implication is that it doesn't want to tarnish his reputation by being associated with something bad namely the Japanese Imperialist government.

>not a new IP

Why would it be a new IP?

>It's pretty obvious what the point
Good thing we aren't arguing what the point of his shallow childrens movie was. Because I don't think any adult has problems with that part at all. But making it seem like I do is just lame.

It is funny watching you trying to make people mad in all theses threads by throwing about "childrens" everytime.

It's funny you think I'm trying to get people mad when his movies are literally for children.

Nobody has argued with that. It is just amusing that you try provoke people by using "children" as if it was a term to denigrate something.

>Nobody has argued with that.
Then why are you making a problem about it? You're just trying to argue about my way of presenting things instead of the actual argument itself. I'm not retarded enough to fall for your shitty provocations. It's also funny how you try to dismiss someone's arguments by claiming they've been said before. I'm sure they have. It's not an argument though old man.

every single of his movies ? why are moefags so buttblasted at him ?

I haven't made any problem about it. I was just pointing out that it is amusing that you are obsessed enough to come to these threads repeatedly to try to provoke people by using "childrens" as an insult.

Can you tell me why they're good without writing a mal-tier review or calling people names?

Can you tell me why they're bad without writing a mal-tier review or calling people names?

>I'm not making a problem about it
You are evident by your posts.
>I just think
more ad hominem. How lame. Still waiting on your argument.

I'm not the one making the claim, you are.

good writing, animation and direction. Why are moefag so assblasted ?

>without writing a mal-tier review or calling people names

>moefags brainlets are STILL assblastes to this day ghibli doesn't pander to their shit taste

What argument? I'm not making an argument. Just a statement that I think your behaviour is amusing. Watching you attempt to provoke people using the term "childrens" is amusing. The only person that seems to have a problem here is you with me pointing out that you are amusing to me.

>not a new IP

>more ad hominem
Still waiting on your argument

>>without writing a mal-tier review or calling people names

You really are amusing. Literally unable to not reply to a post so will actually write anything even if it is irrelevant for fear of losing an argument that isn't even happening.

>more ad hominem
Still waiting on your argument

You shouldn't use words you don't understand user.

Literally just google it they are canonically good films with tens of thousands of words professionally written in praise of them

>60s impressive despite their utter lack of shading and extreme sameface

Is this fucking Otaking? Jesus christ.

>professionally written

Do people really know what eceleb you're talking about? That's like saying that just because I can see the benefits of a society that isn't capitalistic means I'm a commie. Stop watching ecelebs and stop bringing up their names. This isn't Sup Forums.