A lot of you aren't redpilled on the Meat and Dairy Question. We on average eat way to much meat and dairy. It's been increasing ever since. We lost connection with how it's produced, we just go to the supermarket and buy whatever is cheap or tasty. There are three big reasons to start eating less meat:
>1) HEALTH: There have been many studies done on mortality and (processed)meat and dairy, consumption and there is a positive association between lower mortality of cardiovascular diseases, cancer and diabetes by people who eat a lot of meat and dairy in comparison with those who eat less or none. Still not convinced that meat and dairy is bad for your health? Watch this documentary for further redpills: WHAT THE HEALTH youtu.be/hJAKWQ6dDpQ >2) ENVIRONMENT: The livestock sector may be the largest source of water pollution (due to animal wastes, fertilizers, pesticides), and it contributes to emergence of antibiotic resistance. It accounts for over 8% of global human water use. It is by far the biggest cause of land use, as it accounts for nearly 40% of the global land surface. It is a significant driver of biodiversity loss, as it causes deforestation, ocean dead zones, land degradation, pollution, and overfishing. Still not convinced that animal agriculture is one of the biggest environmental threat? Watch this documentary for further redpills: COWSPIRACY dailymotion.com/video/x2zuhks >3) ETHICS: Animals are sentient beings, they feel pain and suffering. Putting them into death camps, taking away there children and killing them is unethical. Animals are not property or a commodity. They have a will to live. Still not convinced that eating meat isn't morally justifiable? Watch this documentary for further redpills: EARTHLINGS youtu.be/BrlBSuuy50Y
So bad for health and environment + unethical. Do you eat meat and dairy Sup Forums? If yes how much and will you try to eat less?
Argument for animal moral value: P1 - Humans are of moral value. P2 - There is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to deem ourselves valueless. C - Therefore without establishing the absence of such trait in animals, we contradict ourselves by deeming animals valueless. Argument for veganism from animal moral value: P1 - Animals are of moral value. P2 - There is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to consider anything short of non-exploitation to be an adequate expression of respect for human moral value. C - Therefore without establishing the absence of such a trait in animals, we contradict ourselves by considering anything short of non-exploitation (veganism) to be an adequate expression of respect for animal moral value.
Aiden Mitchell
I’ve stop drinking daily but I will always consumed meat because I don’t give a shit about animals or the environment lol
Fuck off soyboy cunt!
Blake White
>I don’t give a shit about animals or the environment lol Edgy, you also don't care about immigration and politics?
Caleb Carter
/thread no bump
Owen Kelly
Animal products aren't recommended for human consumption. They cause health problems of all kinds and they are cruel.
Easton Evans
unironically did 21 days on grapes after reading brandt and the essene gospel of peace. that was probably the horniest three weeks of my life. my loads were so fucking big it was incredible, elimination became a lot better too. haven't touched the fruititarian meme since tho. there is definitely something special about fruit.
Gabriel Gray
What the health is based on notoriously bad research done by the NIH at a time when they were trying to push a narrative funded by the grain/sugar industry. Also, most of those studies are epidemiological association studies, which hold about as much statistical power as saying “Jim eats meat and he’s always sick, so eating meat must make you sick” Meat doesn’t make you sick, eating meat is healthy, farming crops causes just as much harm to the environment as farming meat and isn’t any more ethical when you consider that plants have specific hormonal reactions to being harmed and can be said to possess intelligence through the mycorrhizal network. Tl;dr fuck off, veganism isn’t supported by any hard science as being beneficial to the average person.
Plant based diet here, read The China Study. Realize that there is truth hidden on both sides of the propaganda or else the goyim would realize what to do.
Owen Taylor
umad?
Austin Martin
>estrogen doesn't survive stomach acid Why are there estrogen pills then? This is the dumbest thing I've read all month
Chase Miller
Oh so thats the reason that Asians are so masculine? Asians eat very little meat and dont drink milk Sage kys faggot
Parker Rogers
reminder that meat makes you a manlet
Brandon Cox
Wrong
Thomas Sanchez
1. don't eat like a fucking hippopotamus 2. go the fuck out side 3. ??? 4. profit
Dylan Turner
pills are designed to pass through all the way to the intestines, where they are absorbed estrogens in liquids with no protective capsule cannot make it to the lower intestines to be absorbed properly further more most people use injections, because even the pills arent that effective, and you may be thinking of HRT, which you need to educate yourself about, brainlet
Samuel Davis
>What the health is based on notoriously bad research done by the NIH No >they were trying to push a narrative funded by the grain/sugar industry. Source? Fucking retarded, WTH was recommending whole food plant based diets. >Meat doesn’t make you sick, eating meat is healthy No it isn't, it's essentially self harm. > farming crops causes just as much harm to the environment as farming meat You're retarded, animals need crops to survive and grow thus cutting animal products from your diet you have a smaller environmental impact. >isn’t any more ethical when you consider that plants have specific hormonal reactions to being harmed and can be said to possess intelligence through the mycorrhizal network. Yes it is, plants aren't sentient, have no brain, have no central nervous system and vegans cause less plants to "suffer". Veganism is more moral than meat eaters. >veganism isn’t supported by any hard science as being beneficial to the average person. It is and you're just an ignorant person to scared to give up his bad habit.
Ethan James
In milk it's also fat soluble. So skim milk is fine. Additionally the increased risk of cancer from it is ~ 7 in 100,000
Joseph Taylor
thats fucking retarded
Daniel Hughes
You also don't care about your health, or water shortages do you. pic related is 100% plant based meal.
Grayson Gonzalez
Emotion based sperging is the (((meat))) industry at work.
Want to cure cancer? Diabetes? Hypertension? How about heart disease? The list goes on and on
Nathaniel Moore
went vegan for 3 months. felt like shit. started bruising.
went paleo, feel amazing!
Bentley Wilson
Sup Forums is a bunch of man children who thinks its someone elses fault that they weigh 500lb >b-b-b-ut if the jew didnt pack food full of estrogen and corn syrup I could eat 5000 calories a day and look like a model
Jonathan Cruz
I'm going to eat everything the Jew tells me not to eat. Just returned from the store and bought a bunch of cheeses, some full fat milk, some juicy steaks, eggs, salmon, a whole chicken amongst other things
Gonna tuck into that chicken right now for lunch
Mmmmmmmmm fuck kikes
Grayson Collins
Plants based for 2 years, was a sickly bubble boy, now I'm making huge gains at the gym. Haven't been sick one time, NOT ONCE
Matthew Roberts
Not remotely, retard.
Owen Baker
>citing what the health as a credible source of information... This is either bait or you're just retarded. I guessing retarded. What the health has been disproven numerous times as nothing more than vegan propaganda.
Evan Richardson
>ENVIRONMENT >ETHICS
Top lel. What sissy cuckolds Eurofags are.
Jack Reyes
>he doesn't know (((who))) runs the meat industries you are like a little baby. Pic related is 100% plant based - no soy. Made from eggplants, apples, onions etc. Very fucking good especially with some refried beans.
Christopher Martinez
>trying so hard to be meat
Just eat meat, you metro-sexual hipster.
Jack Cox
What a bunch of cool, hip kids these shills are
Ryder Morgan
fuck off nigger I'm trying to save you and your family heartache from eating meat laced with cancer.
Jace Peterson
>Vegan >Less Estrogen
Holy fuck this is hilarious. Vegans are the original soybois. Do you really think that soy doesn't have massive amounts of estrogen in it?
Adam Phillips
Do all vegans have this "save the world" complex? Fuck off. That's why everyone hates you self righteous pricks.
Joshua Jones
(((who))) do you think runs the plant industries dipshit?
I know one thing is for sure, we've been eating meat for centuries with no issues until now. With plants I'd have to eat plates and plates of veg shit to hit the calories I need
Caleb Nguyen
>We evolved to eat meat. Eat less meat >We evolved with two genders Have more genders >We evolved to have sex with the opposite gender Have sex with your own gender >We evolved into different sub-species/races to survive better in different climates There's only one race,the human race.
Are these things connected?
Brody Rivera
This argument is weak. Especailly if you're a non-cognitivist or error theorist.
It's structurally weak, since it's a combined appeal to ignorance, and a fallacy of composition.
Where'd you find this middle school level bullshit "argument"?
Connor Gray
I believe phytoestrogen is the term you are looking for,
and the chemical differences to estrogen are similar to a grain of sand or a beach
Joshua Foster
Seems this Jewish trick has actively worked on lesser men. Shame that you faggots don't understand theres a difference between hunting and eating.
it's not that hard to go out and hunt yourself a deer, that's 1 month of food if you know how to prepare and use everything
Isaac Bennett
Vegans are in denial of the most fundamental truths of reality and nature.
Dylan Rodriguez
>le 100% plant based food straight from the ground
John Foster
hahahhhahaahahah fucking hell The Plant Industry! We ate a lot less meat in in 1950. In fact the average European in 1600 ate barely any. We as cavemen only ate meat very occasionally and unreliably.
Logan Bailey
>copyright information and a personal website instead of fucking sources at the bottom Into the trash it goes
Liam Brooks
You're talking about hunting which is fundamentally different than going to the market and buying antibiotic laced carcass
Levi Hughes
I eat tons of meat and my BMI is like 20 or some shit. I'm in far better shape than the average Amerifat and I'm in my 30s. You veganfags are all tubby piles of shit from what I've seen IRL.
> trying to save you from cancer > proceeds to ingest fake sausage full of chemicals in a futile attempt to resemble meat ok
Cameron Nguyen
and you think these vegetarian alternatives to meat are 100% organic just because it says so on the label? that's processed industrial slop filled with the same shit as everything else
stop buying processed food all together you want to live healthy? hunt wild game, grow veggies and fruits, raise chickens, cows and pigs, learn to fish, etc.
Jose Fisher
>humans are of moral value toplol stopped reading there.
Julian Jenkins
3. You could argue that plants are sentient beings too, that modern agricultural practices hurt plants. Thus killing plants is unethical. 2. You know what else hurt the environment, these would be agricultural practices such as deforestation to make way for new crops and the constant planting of crops that resulted to the soil losing much of it's value. 1. It maybe unhealthy if not controlled, but there nutrients and vitamins such as B12, Creatine, Carnitine, and Carnosine. Besides, Veganism is bad for mental health, listen to Michael Savage, a PHD on nutritional ethnomedicine. youtube.com/watch?v=CbcjlEiFP-8 Other than that, eating meat made early humans smart which seperated us from the rest of the primates. npr.org/2010/08/02/128849908/food-for-thought-meat-based-diet-made-us-smarter
Christian Evans
please stop posting you're really embarrassing us mutts There are plenty of in shape vegans. The problem is that a lot of them substitute bread or soy for meat which is the exact opposite of what you should be doing. Yeah I'm not eating soy. Thats been made clear. >want to live healthy I know plant based people are generally seen as delusional but so is this. Americans growing / hunting their own food is just about nonexistent.
Aaron Jenkins
But I approve of both. Your arguments are invalid. I eat meat daily, avoid Milk due to its over produced nature and the fact I don't have a cow out back to get fresh stuff from. Meat is good for the white body to grow and become stronger, especially sweet meats like liver and kidney. Eating sweet meat gives you so many nutrients you can skip most vegetables out of necessity and just focus on Fibre. Gtfo you pansy ass kike.
Gabriel Cooper
Nah. You're an idiot when it comes to human health and how to optimize same.
Humans need a little bit of meat. White people evolved to eat dairy.
Basically, eat what your ancestors ate. Not your agricultural ancestors. Your hunter/gatherer ancestors.
As for animals being sentient. Yeah, until they can start talking, performing math calculations with ease, or anything that requires real intelligence, I'm eating them. Killing and eating herd animals and fish is what helped humans become civilized. There is nothing wrong with letting an animal have a humane existence, then killing them humanely for their meat. The way domesticated animals are treated is nasty and that is one thing that must be changed.
Andrew Fisher
>What the fuck did I just see?
Kayden Price
Enjoy your grass faggot. I'm gonna have a nice steak with my girlfriend tonight.
Josiah Gutierrez
We all know this. Carnie cucks are clueless. Lol.
Oliver Russell
Learn 2 nutrition you dumb ass. Lol.
Austin Torres
>It accounts for over 8% of global human water use
Incorrect.
Animal Agriculture is responsible for 20%-33% of all fresh water consumption in the world.
Water to grow the crops livestock eat is 56% of the US annual water supply.
5% of water consumed in the US is by private homes.
2,500 gallons of water are needed to produce 1 pound of beef.
Almost 900 gallons of water are needed for 1lb. of cheese.
Jordan Foster
>Humans need a little bit of meat. For what? Vitamins exist. You think killing animals to eat made us civilized? I would argue the opposite.
Grayson Jenkins
BUT MUH MEATTTTT
Grayson Gonzalez
>Americans growing / hunting their own food is just about nonexistent yeah because you idiots have a need to gather up in and around the concrete new where you can only find 3rd sector jobs, you have no access to clean water and everything is priced so high you literally need to choose if you want a nice place to sleep or a nice meal
meanwhile you mock the "fly over states" for being backwards and dull, so boring you want to shoot yourself some might say all those open fields wasted away because being self sufficient and growing/catching/hunting everything yourself is too hard :( I mean for fucks sake you can literally just specialise in raising chickens and make millions off selling the eggs then going 2 miles down and buying meat from the guy that hunts deer or the guy that grows crops
Liam Hernandez
This is the only correct answer, always do the opposite of what kikes say
Connor Torres
Are you not allowed to hunt in toothpaste land? Noguns?
Parker Gray
Oy vey it's an animal Shoah!
Ryan Cox
>humans need meat false
>white people evolved to eat dairy fallacious. It's still unhealthy as a regularly consumed food item.
>eat what ancestors ate fallacious since we should eat what makes us the healthiest- and our ancestors ate what they could get their hands on. And your shitty idea is built on a naive view of what human ancestors ate- they weren't chomping down on game, fish, and meat every day- they ate mostly plants, nuts, seeds, and starches. Even modern hunter gatherer societies with modern weapons eat meat at a frequency of 2 servings per two weeks- serving size is 2 1/2 oz. and the rest is plants.
>animal sentience Children and severely retarded people can't do some of those things- your view suggests we should eat them or kill them for their meat.
Nice try bozo. You should've studied harder in school.
Eli Anderson
This.
Same here. Leave the main cities and everyone is so much better at raising and feeding families. Every other garage on my street has a moose or deer strung up in their respective seasons.
Evan Richardson
Lmao you're an arab rape baby don't lecture me on American politics
Henry Morris
post your freezer
Colton Morris
>Eat children and severely retarded people Exactly
Ryan Ortiz
enjoy niggers spitting in your latte and sjw's rubbing their menstrual blood on your burger patty i'll be drinking freshly squeezed orange juice picked straight from my garden and eating some salt cured meat from a deer I hunted 6 months ago
Jason Wilson
Real men eat meat. that's just the way it is
Mason Nelson
>Yes, eat less protein and healthy fats >Surely that'll make you manlier
Gabriel Nguyen
And there it is leafs are actually Moose Murderers . But but but Mooselopes eat vegan diets so therefore moose is vegan meat.
Carter Evans
Sitting behind a computer shitposting isn't paleo. You're IQ has reached primitive aboriginal levels No it hasn't been disproven retard, show me where it has been disproven and I'll show you how stupid you are. There are many people immigrating because of environmental reasons also being consistent in morality is something that makes a person civilized and respectable. Most people that get called soyboys are not vegan you tard. Kek, you want to ruin the world instead? I thought we wanted to improve western civ and distance ourselves from degeneracy. Meat and dairy is degenerative. Our diet has been mostly plant based through our evolution, your argument is invalid. Retard
Logan Diaz
Real Men = Hyper-carnivore
Gabriel Allen
And you have to dress it up so it looks like meat Fucking weakling
Bentley Scott
>your view suggests we should eat retards and children ever heard of cannibalism dimwit? it's unnatural to eat your own which is why even animals don't commit cannibalism
Asher Adams
>Americans growing / hunting their own food is just about nonexistent
Yeah, if you live in the inner city. You've already mentioned that it's different in the Midwest US and I agree. I live in the Midwest and nearly every rural person at least has their own large garden and many (the vast majority of the population) do hunt their own meat--especially deer and wild turkey. Many also own chicken coops.
Owen Richardson
false. many do.
study harder, bozo.
Jack Hall
or perhaps kikes are telling you not to do make you do exacly the opposite
Easton Jones
let's take a look >soy >soy >soy >beans >beans >soy >beans
nice
Hudson Foster
all of these arguments are absurdly fallacious.
Can we finally put to rest these retarded memes? 1) "estrogen" in soy is anything like realy estrogen. Protip, its not. Read an actual doctor's analysis. The soy estrogen associated is statistical nonsense. 2) Vegans need b12. TRUE. THIS IS 100% true. But just because you HAD to get b12 from occasional meat, doesnt mean that gorging yourself on it is healthy. 3) It's pretty obvious the sugar/corn/meat guys push the "soy is effeminine" meme. Where do you think the "meat is manly" meme came from? It's advertisers selling decomposing flesh to morons. 4) the statistics in general show that veganism/vegetarian based diet people live longer, die from less disease, have healthier blood, less sickness etc. Yes there are random one-off studies where a certain sub population of vegans or vegetarians was unhealthy, but it's fallacious to say that ALL vegans are unhealthy as a result, just like its fallacious to say that all meat eaters are healthy just because they die more on avg.
The point is, you need to actually view the nutrition and food science and put the memes away, you morons. How many of you can even cook?
Dominic Baker
What you mean, please elaborate. >Cherrypicking studies You know that the meat and dairy industry also fund and have been caught creating misleading studies, also just pointing out who funds a study is not enough to dismiss the study. You need to point out what they did wrong in the study or how they're misleading, but you know this right? Like? This proves nothing, there are tons of people that eat meat and dairy that are deficient in all those things and more. I can also post a bunch of studies claiming the same thing. It all depends if you eat varied enough and healthy. Stop spreading FUD shill. Then why do we have human rights? You think it's okay to shoot somebody randomly?
Caleb Williams
>may do yes, just like people. when there is no alternative food source and in the animals case when there's overpopulation or when they kill the children of other males by eating them.
no animal relies on cannibalism as their primary food source. there are of course insects which do, but certain insects can also change their sex but that doesn't mean humans can too
Carson Ross
>4) the statistics in general show that veganism/vegetarian based diet people live longer, die from less disease, have healthier blood, less sickness etc. Yes there are random one-off studies where a certain sub population of vegans or vegetarians was unhealthy,
Then why are so many of you overweight? I've never met a healthy looking vegan IRL. I've met a handful of fit vegetarians but never vegans. They were all fat and one was actually obese.
Liam Robinson
Health, bullshit. Environment, bullshit. Ethics, bullshit. A bunch of study's, financed by vegans, for vegans, only believed by vegans. Fuck off.
Gavin Harris
What should I be drinking instead of milk?
Jackson Cruz
>submits anecdotal evidence of a very small sample of people >concludes all members of the population resemble small sample
Maybe your sample is biased? The one common thread between all the vegans you've encountered is that you've encountered them, so idk, maybe all the vegans you know are fat pieces of shit because.... you're a piece of shit and associate with retards?
At the very least it is clear you dont understand statistics. I doubt your associates do either.
Sad. Really
Liam Gonzalez
Do people really not understand the concept of pets? That's why you're not supposed to name your farm animals, otherwise you'll get attached. What is this bullshit?
Lincoln Evans
>You could argue that plants are sentient beings too, that modern agricultural practices hurt plants. Thus killing plants is unethical. No you can't, stop this plant have feelings meme. Plants don't have a central nervous system and a brain to process feelings. >You know what else hurt the environment, these would be agricultural practices such as deforestation to make way for new crops and the constant planting of crops that resulted to the soil losing much of it's value. Yes and why do we need so much crops? Because we need tons of animal feed, if we all went vegan most deforestation would stop. >B12, Creatine, Carnitine, and Carnosine. We only need to make sure we get our B12, the rest you mentioned our body can make enough of on its own. >veganism is bad for mental health Blatant lie >meat made us smarter There is no definitive proof on that.
Parker Wood
uhh water?
Milk is absolutely unnecessary to your diet. Look up the china study. Humans are naturally lactose intolerant after weaning as we strop producing the gut stuff needed to digest it.
If, however, you've been raised on milk from a young age (cereal and nesquick) you build up a tolerance to it. Ultimately tho, it's the dairy lobby trying to sell you cow tittie fluid. Just like they tried to convince everyone a "Balanced Breakfast" included eggs, bacon, and orange juice.
Nathaniel Fisher
>the diet humans had practiced for 300.000 years is a "retarded" diet >The diet practiced by a few people only since about 100 years ago is the "real deal"
Don't be a stupid fuck and go Keto. Or at least consume less than 100g of carbs per day.
Jeremiah Jenkins
i wouldn't eat dogs because that's not our culture but i'm fine with chinks eating dogs
Ryan Gray
The problem isn't too much meat, its too little vegetables. The average person consumes too much sugar and starch. Many vegans are overweight and unhealthy as well because they have a sugar heavy diet.
