What's wrong with communism, exactly?

What's wrong with communism, exactly?

its utopian in nature

it will never happen because true end state communism is literally impossible

communist states (by itself a contradiction) have never moved past the point of state capitalism, much less into true socialsm and the literal fantasy land of communism

its a really really really bad idea that was very much a product of its time. its a bad answer to questions that have already answered in much better ways

It's against human nature.

Nothing wrong with it, just requires a period of starvation to fortify your people, a thousand years of oppressive rule and a billion sacrifices to the workers party. Just no one has gotten through the prerequisites year. China has come the closest.

The goal and the means to achieve it point in completely opposite directions, so they will never meet.

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We're not ants.

Great theory, wrong species.

It's suitable for ants perhaps.

It requires a complete breakdown of the social order to implement it's dumbass ideas.

>full of Jews, faggots, trannies, other shit tier people
>stupid attachment to ideology for no good reason especially for those nazbol fags (oh I am not a nazi I am actually a gommie)
>does not work
>can just be a socialist with minimal state intervention into economy

complete and utter bullshit, its only utopian if you try to go full commie, adding a little communism here and there works perfectly fine and every country on earth does it moreorless.

even the usa, the heartland of capitalism, have taxes, workers rights, welfare and democracy.

full capitalism is equally utopian as full communism.

>even the usa, the heartland of capitalism, have taxes, workers rights, welfare and democracy.
That is not communism you dumb fucking nigger that is government

socialism is just communism light.

"a little communism"

"a little breakdown of societal rules is good for society"

No, retard.

Everything. Nature isn't equal.

Have some fascism.

you have no idea what you're talking about

Kinda I would say communism is a retard (Jewish) socialism

well, they are certainly anti-capitalist ideas that were spearheaded by communism or the threat of communism. austria only got that shit because the emperor feared a commie revolution.

complete and utter bullshit, its only utopian if you try to go full commie, adding a little communism here and there works perfectly fine and every country on earth does it moreorless.

even the usa, the heartland of capitalism, have taxes, workers rights, welfare and democracy.

full capitalism is equally utopian as full communism.

Nope.

Nothing, if you don't mind being poor, being starved to death and getting told how evil dem capitalists are while state sec watches your every move for signs of dissent.

>"a little breakdown of societal rules is good for society"
how is it a breakdown of societal rules if society applies rules to the handling of capital?

It requires involuntary transfers of wealth and force.

It’s an ideology that fundamentally is for the benefit of the weak.

>Nothing, if you don't mind being poor, being starved to death and getting told how evil dem communists are while state sec watches your every move for signs of dissent.

It's autistic, though in theory it is nice and sounds very utopian etc, in practice it is shit because it doesn't take into account the reality of human nature.

Under communism who gets the beach houses?

You can visit Venezuela and NK to find out, this board is for political discussion not for obvious shilling.

It could work but only if the whole world was white and with less then 1 bilion ppl.

Communism is the world government for every country outside of Greater Israel. It's literally the establishment of Judaism upon the nations so that all of the world can come to Zion (Greater Israel) Isaiah 60 lists all the benefits Israel will receive from the world including "the riches of the nations".

no state has much incentive to redistribute goods and wealth properly, and even if they did it would still probably be an inefficient mess because it's run by humans.

and even if they did all of this in the properly prescribed manner, citizens don't have any reason to excel and make something of themselves outside of defending the ideology from outsiders. "they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work" was a common joke in the late soviet union.

compounded with this, most current supporters of the ideology are degenerates who just don't want to work masquerading as social "democrats". it will never work without unshakable social cohesion.

Party members. Everyone is equal except for the party who is just a little more equal than the rest.

I hate that picture with every fiber of my being

It's a robbery scheme. Inevitably it will bankrupt the nation that implements it then the jewish banking cartel move in and buy up everything dirt cheap.

Where is the lie? The people have natural need to help the poor and needy for whom they feel sorry for and this is represented as welfare and socialism in government. Communism is just bunch of retards sperging about economic policy around this idea of helping the poor, but the entire ideology is based on nothing other than pure bullshit.
>le capitalist conspiracy
>le opioid for the masses
>well, they are certainly anti-capitalist ideas
>rights, taxes, democracy somehow anti capitalist rather than just the government
hurr

I don’t think there are enough for all of them.

Even whites would not work without being paid. Under theoretical communism, you get the same thing at the end no matter if you work or not.

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NatSoc is better

came here to post this and the number is closer to 1 million

It's a breakdown of hierarchical and class rules. It necessitates people define themselves as a cog in a larger machine, and move further and further away from family and individualism.

In fact, family can create class divisions. You can't be trusted to teach your own child. Unlike the right, it's not because they don't trust you to do the best job in educating your child. They are afraid you could educate your child too well, separating them from everyone else, leading to separate classes.

To say that you should even have a wife is classist in fact, because it puts men and women in separate classes. They should be able to work all the same jobs at the same hours, provided they aren't pregnant or otherwise sick.

And Communism doesn't even need or want money included in it's ideology, so you pretending it's about taxation is fucking retarded. It's about class warfare, cultural and societal change, and sitting around in your underwear all day doing nothing. They'd rather everyone be equal in mediocrity than risk anyone being successful and competent and separating themselves from the group.

Nazi's were socialist. They didn't require a complete breakdown of everything it means to be in a strong society. In fact, they promoted all of those things over the complete chaos of Communism.

in socialist times our lakes had lots of public owned spaces around them, after privatization now they are almost perfectly walled off by rich people mansions.

Communism doesn't need to help the poor to be Communism. They could kill the poor and still be Communist. But you are right, they pretend they want to help the poor, because the poor is a class they can set against non-poor classes, which could help lead to revolution. Communism is about class and societal hierarchies, not just the poor or taxation.

>being a sodomite
Hell is for ever!

how you educate the children has nothing to do with communism,

communism is saying: the land and everything in it is owned by the whole of the people and not just by a few guys. thats the core of communism.

the core of capitalism is that capital rules supreme and humans have no value other than the capital they own. clearly you can see how this is majorly fucked up.

>le only commie-capitalist spectrum
this is why these discussions are fucking retarded

>posting that image
gulag for you

Class has everything to do with Communism and anything that sets any individual apart can potentially create class division. Economics has nothing to do with communism. People can choose to divvy up capital in any way they wish. Doesn't make them not capitalist just because they attempt to acquire it as a collective rather than individuals.

well, if you put it that way you are right, but its a very extremist implementation of communist ideas you have in mind.

my point is that you dont have to go full commie in the same way that even americans do not go full capitalist.

i also criticise that people fail to see the communist ideas that got put into effect and which they dont want to miss.

as i said earlier said: rights, democracy free vote, every vote counts the same, taxes, government, welfare... these are definitely not capitalist ideas.

This is a really weird set of elaborate strawmen

You may have noticed but every thing you list there as non-capitalist ideals are being actively eroded and lobbied against. Every single one. Even the free vote with every vote counting the same is being slowly dismantled as a concept with the advent of corporate personhood and money-is-speech mentality

Fascism is widely vilified and rejected as a failed political system that inevitably leads to genocide because "muh hitler" and "muh nazis".

And yet people always seem to go back to communism, despite the fact that communist systems have killed far more people than fascist ones, because "LOL you're so ignorant you shitlord it stopped being TRUE communism when everything started going badly!"

What's wrong with fascism exactly? Does it just not promise enough gibs?

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only can work in little and isolated comunites (i.e. a island in middle of nowhere and farming community) where every knows each other and everybody is willing to do their part and work like everybody else
ironically junkies, neets, snowflakes, feminists and artfags are btfo by default
pic semirelated: acorn community is a example of a little community where every contributes and lazyfags are expelled
also why i never seen a post about acorn community in pol? they literally say fuck you monsanto

Sounds good on paper, horrible in theory.

As long as humans are morons who follow their nature like animals aka the average Sup Forumstard due to no self awareness neither capitalism nor communism will ever succeed