Why not just let Mueller do his fucking job? If Trump is innocent, they won't find anything...

Why not just let Mueller do his fucking job? If Trump is innocent, they won't find anything. The only reason anyone would have an issue with the Mueller investigation is if they believe Trump did something illegal and Mueller will find it. Otherwise, everyone should just shut the fuck up and let the investigation go unhindered.

Even if you think Trump is 100% innocent, there's no justification for Trump involving himself in an investigation that he has a blatant conflict of interest in. Being the President is no excuse. Jeff Sessions, the attorney general, recused himself from the Russia investigation due to being a part of the Trump transition team. Similarly, Trump, as a the fucking candidate of the campaign in question, shouldn't be involved in a single decision related to the Russia investigation.

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>he thinks all prosecutions are fair and just representations of the law and not politically motivated and influenced at all.

You're sweet, kid. Stick around here and you'll be alright one day.

because the President legally can't obstruct justice
it's a waste of time

because it's an elaborate conspiracy by the obama admin/clinton camp/fb/doj/illuminati/reptilians and he a good boy dindu nuffin

>Libtards would never, ever, ever cheat!
Neck yourself, faggot.

He should get out while he can IMO

The issue is people think Mueller will dig up some white collar tax evasion crime from 30 years ago and get Trump on that.

They didnt form a special council to investigate a crime, they formed one to look for a crime. They're politically weaponizing the justice system and its illegal.

>Even if you think Trump is 100% innocent
No one thinks anyone is 100% innocent.
However, there was no collusion (and even if there was, it's not a crime).
Here in the US, we don't just start randomly investigating people we don't like, using an unlimited budget and Stalin tactics.

>t. trump's lawyers

We have been letting him do his job for over a fucking year. At some point this stops being an investigation and becomes a witch hunt. Its time to show the fucking cards either Mueller has something or he doesn't. Either way our patience is running thin

it's pretty obvious at this point that he's building an obstruction of justice case

and actual constitutionalist lawyers on CNN

Mueller is a criminal and belongs in prison.
He's investigating a person, looking for a crime.
In America, we investigate a crime, and look for the criminal.
Op hates America and the fair justice system we have.
Op supports an unconstitutional, illegal coup d'etat against the United States so he can get free Gibs.

there, there

Or so.e bullshit "lying to the fbi" charge like what they hit flyn with. That proved to me that they have no interest in justice and are just a political hit squad

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Are they even looking into the collusion theory? Or are they just looking for something questionable that they may point at?

I don't believe all prosecutions are fair. That's beyond the point. This is not the case where we legislate on the fairness of the justice system. If this is an unjustifiable witch hunt (which it is not), Trump still has no business being involved in any decision on it for the aforementioned reasons. In this instant he's to be treated exactly like any other citizen would who is under investigation.

If there is nothing there, nothing will come out of this investigation, period. Trying to discredit the investigation only makes it look as if you believe Trump is guilty.

Also, the President of the United States is the most privileged person in this country. The fact that you think the President is at a disadvantage in an investigation being run by people he directs being overseen by members of his own party is a testament to the delusional persecution complex of many Trump supporters.

>At some point
And what point would that be? The Russia special counsel hasn't been going on for very long.

Pretty much.
If he hasn't made a case for the collusion....then he's ineffective as the SC, and needs replaced.
If he can't manage his team, without the bias....he's ineffective and needs replaced.
If he's ignored massive crimes from others, and kept digging unsuccessfully into Trump....he's corrupt AND ineffective, and needs fired.

lmfao doesnt know the president can pardon any crime

Simply untrue. The fact that the President has the power to fire someone doesn't mean that he can't use that power to obstruct justice. In the same way, your boss has the power to fire you, but if he were to fire you because of your race or gender, he would be breaking the law. Obstruction of justice statutes were created in part to target officials acting corruptly. The idea that the President is exempt from them is a flat out misunderstanding of the law that no credible, non-shilling legal minds subscribe to. It's also something that would be up to the courts. It's certainly not something up to the guy who is under fucking investigation.

POTUS is the classification authority. He can #releasethememo anytime he wants. He can change the narrative with a single tweet. He owns the information space. Trump can tweet redpills on reverse targeting and FISA at a whim. What if Trump has ALL of (((their))) emails, pics, and social media?

>October Surprise

Because its fucking annoying like a damn mosquito. Sure, it will only take a drop of blood but the bastard keeps buzzing around annoying the piss out of you until you swat it.

>If there is nothing there, nothing will come out of this investigation, period

Again, you are essentially expecting people to put 100% faith into the belief that all prosecutions are fair and just, and not politically motivated or influenced at all.

I'm sorry you're so naive that you believe that. Prosecutors ROUTINELY overstep their boundary between politics and law. Political witch hunts have been successful tools for soft coups for literally millenia.

>saying something is untrue makes it untrue
youtu.be/Ovlo8hehqh8
you can be impeached by Congress for "obstruction of justice" but that shit would never fly in the courtroom.
the president isn't protected from bribery crimes, but he could absolutely stop an investigation and he would never see jail time.

In other words, you fear Trump is going to get caught breaking the law. I thought Republicans were the party of law and order. Isn't this the party that tried to have a President removed because he lied about getting a blowjob? Also, 30 years is quite optimistic. There are statutes of limitations on financial crimes. If Trump is gotten on anything it will be relatively recent.

>The idea that the President is exempt from them is a flat out misunderstanding of the law that no credible, non-shilling legal minds subscribe to. It's also something that would be up to the courts. It's certainly not something up to the guy who is under fucking investigation.

You're simply wrong. Presidents can be impeached, not charged. Dumbass.

The POTUS is the CEO of the US. Every employee is subject to his will.
He can fire muller tomorrow, and say he did it because the guys face looks like a mule's.
There is NOTHING illegal about it.

The point when they have the balls to admit they didn't find anything and fuck you in the ass while you bend over and take it raw you delusional faggot

>If this is an unjustifiable witch hunt (which it is not),

How is it not a witch hunt, moron? Everybody who isn't in complete denial can tell that the whole premise, that he was a Russian spy, was cooked up by his political enemies. The text messages also confirm this, he's been hounded by people who didn't want him to win, and a hell of a lot of people are not going to see any action taken against Trump as fair at this point. It doesn't matter if it's fair, public perception matters and the whole thing is tainted by the scandals surrounding it.

Alan Dershowitz, you mean the former lawyer / friend of the pedophile billionaire that Trump is good friends with and was accused of engaging in sexual misconduct with him himself? Sorry, but no.

>and a hell of a lot of people are not going to see any action taken against Trump as fair at this point.
If liberals think they'd be pissed if Trump fires muller.....
That's nothing compared to how 30+million Trump supporters will feel if Trump is charged with some bullshit charge.

Are you implying that Mueller has been impeded in any way? He still has yet to find any evidence of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign, and has only managed to nail Manafort on money laundering from years before and Flynn on perjury.

He's doing his job the best he can, which is to say he can't make Russian collusion evidence appear out of thin air.

>character attack
guess you gave up

Trump can end Muellers investigation when he wants to.
Mueller is one of the biggest criminals in DC and he could get jailed for decades.
There must be a reason why Trump did not start 20 investigations against Mueller.
Mueller works for Trump or Trump has a trump card in his hands.

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You’re completely incorrect.

We will see it as a coup. The only thing they could do is scrap the whole investigation and start over, and lock every aspect of it down, nobody fucking texting each other, clear understanding of where evidence is coming from, etc.

OP is a fucktard.

The "crime" for which Mueller is investigating Trump was fabricated by the Clinton political machine with the help and support of the Obama FBI and DOJ.

Of course he can find evidence of a crime if the "evidence" has been manufactured ahead of time. It doesn't mean the crime was actually committed.

>We will see it as a coup.
I'm not sure how we'd react....I hate to guess.
I can only assume it would get ugly, in a hurry.
I doubt we'd wear big pink pussy hats and read slam poems.....it would be more "profound" than that.

The investigation has two main functions:
Primary: Revenge. Republicans, and Trump in particular, campaigned against Hillary using the fact that she was under investigation. So now they're keeping Trump under investigation indefinitely as they look for an ill-defined endless number of things for the express purpose of making him look bad and to damage the election chances of him and his party.
Secondary: They hope that maybe if they throw enough time and money into this they can eventually find him having done something, to at least attempt impeachment, and if they can't find something, running along the investigation itself allows continual opportunities to trick Trump into doing or saying something that can be argued as "obstruction of justice" (even if only in the media and not in a legal arena).

Bonus: The investigation costs over $1,000,000 per month.

Whether or not a sitting President can be charged or not with a crime is up for a debate. Whether or not a President can be charged for crimes committed during office is not. The constitution says, unambiguously, that an impeached individual is still subject to criminal charges. Impeachment is not a legal process. It's a political one.

Again, the fact that the President has the power to do something doesn't mean he can't use his power to break the law, period. When you take this to the logical extreme and consider other powers the President has such as commander-in-chief of the military, it becomes very clear how ridiculous such a belief is.

please explain how he is obstructing justice you turbonigger.

found the retard reddit faggot

where is the law that says the POTUS can't obstruct any investigation he wants

if the president exercises constitutional authority, it is legal by definition.

>The constitution says, unambiguously, that an impeached individual is still subject to criminal charges
Um.....

>if the president exercises constitutional authority, it is legal by definition.
What if he pardons someone that was going to testify against him?
>Still legal
What if he orders an investigation shut down?
>Still legal
What if he.......(x)
>Still legal

It's actually pretty clear

The Russia investigation is not a witch hunt by any means. Russia meddled into the US election and Russia had inappropriate contacts with the Trump campaign. These are facts, regardless of Trump's personal guilt, so there is nothing unreasonable about the investigation. The only people denying the validity of the investigation are Trump allies of dubious moral character.

You are saying things based on premises you can't possibly validate considering no one knows the exact evidence held by Mueller and co. aside from a handful of people.

It's a waste of tax dollars on a crime , that by definition , never happened
And if it was a crime there is no evidence of collusion

>these are facts
>MUH FAKE NEWS TOLD ME SO

BAsed on what evidence?

How long does it take to investigate the Trump Jr. meeting and the existence of Russia Today? Did the FBI not know about RT before? Should someone tell them about Democracy Now?

neck yourself nufaggot, people like OP deserve to hang. normal faggots should be round up and shot, ur just kike pawns

>If Trump is innocent, they won't find anything.

It's because Trump is guilty as hell. He's been mobbed up for decades, engaged in money laundering, sex crimes, and obstructino of Justice is super obvious since he admited to it in an interview. Trump is fucked.

How does any of that relate to “muh Russia hacked the election”

Most investigations find random bullshit that doesn't have anything to do with their original purpose. Most of the time answering questions becomes the threat itself. May I remember yuou Nixon and Clinton got in trouble legally not because they did something but because there was a problem with how they answered questions about it.

Investigating someone is a threat. It should not be happening without probable cause. Further more th is shit just gene rates bullshit stories that last a week before they fall apart. And when they do the media is already on the next bullshit.

If Trump directed members of his cabinet to impede the investigation or fired Comey in order to do so then he obstructed justice.

What you guys seem to be unable to understand here is that motivations do matter. The President has the right to end an investigation for no reason, but that doesn't mean he has the right to end it for ANY reason. The President is not above the law, and doesn't get to use his powers to skirt legal accountability. It's kind of sad that anyone is even defending that.

A. Anyone can fake 'Russian meddling', and it's outright dishonest that the media frequently uses 'russian bots' while not acknowledging that ANYONE could pay to have Russian bots do something, for example, they could use them to promote something in order to be used to discredit it, like a media article or a memo.
B. People who have to be diplomats at some point talking to russians is not strange at all
C. If making deals with Russia begs investigation, what about Hillary? If it was her all along then it would strengthen the case that association with russia is being used to discredit Trump.

But if Trump is innocent why not make even more of a mockery of them than they are making of themselves?

the president can't obstruct justice DUMBASS

Oh, so you know exactly what they're investigating and all of the evidence they have?

cause both sides are wrapped up in conspiracy theories and social warfare while our economic situation stays in the same shitheap its been in since 08.

Again you still haven't answered my question. The Russian investigation by Mueller is still going on after a year and yet Trump has not obstructed it. Firing Comey is within his Constitutional authority. Read Article 2 retard. Protip, if you faggots think we are going to just idly stand by and allow you to usurp our nation, you are seriously mistaken.

>If Trump directed members of his cabinet
That's his job, idiot.

You're the moron for believing sources. Trump never tried to fire Mueller, never wanted to fire Sessions or anyone else the media claims.

>In this instant he's to be treated exactly like any other citizen would who is under investigation.
yeah looking forward to the no-knock warrants at Trump Tower
get a clue moran

Yeah obviously they don't have much. I can't wait to see your fucked up soyboy faggot face when they have to exonerate Trump LMAO

You're completely missing the point. I could defend a FAIR investigation, but this particular one is tainted, that is UNDENIABLE. The questionable origin of the dossier, the texts from people investigating him showing bias, combined with the strong public perception of a coup by PEOPLE WHO ARE PROOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVEEEEEEENNNNNNNN TO BE AGAINST HIM, POLITICALLY.

THE. INVESTIGATION. IS. TAINTED. FAGGOT.

cool feels bro

>let's let a Clinton crony "investigate" Trump on dubious charges, that'll look fair :^)

>obstruction of justice
How?

If there is no underlying crime then there is no "justice" to seek, therefore he can't be obstructing justice.

Example: if they launched an investigation to see if Trump is LITERALLY Hitler and he needs to be prosecuted for LITERALLY being the person known as Adolf Hitler who led Germany during WW2, would he be obstructing justice if he blocks them?

Clearly he isn't LITERALLY Hitler, so if that's what their premise was for investigating him, wouldn't it be fair for him to stop their bullshit?

These things need to be acknowledged:

A Billionaire globalist, among others of similar class, are active in campaigns against Trump.

Such people could easily fund Russian bots to be used as a discrediting tactic.

The fact that it has been going on doesn't mean he hasn't obstructed it. Obstruction doesn't requiring ending the investigation. In fact, obstruction only requires intent. Read the statute.

Again, the fact that the President has the authority to fire the Attorney General doesn't mean he can fire the attorney general in order to obstruct justice. All instances in which someone is prosecuted for corruption they are prosecuted for doing something they had the authority to do. It is the fact that they used that authority for corrupt means that made their actions illegal.

Mueller is part of the problem, his involvement in the Uranium One deal proves it. It's pretty obvious now that the justice department and the FBI were politicized under Obama, which is why you have these little political factions meeting in secret and talking about forming a resistance to take down the new president right after Trump was voted into office.

I thought you said it was all known facts. Now it's that there was collusion, we just have no idea what it entails?

>investigating a person, looking for a crime
And that really is fucked up. The general idea is that if a crime was committed there is a victim and/or evidence.

To decide that you're going to turn someone's life inside out hoping to find a crime to charge him with, that's really fucked up.

>implying the president can obstruct justice

>The President has the right to end an investigation for no reason, but that doesn't mean he has the right to end it for ANY reason.
we're dealing with a brainlet

>If Trump is innocent, they won't find anything.
>if
AHAHAHA he is guilty as fuck.Why do you think all of this shit is happening?

What is Mueller's job?
Investigating someone to see if he can find a crime?
That's not the American way.

Mueller has connections to Uranium One.
He's dirty.

>the president can pardon a serial killer or a terrorist or literally Hitler
>the President can't order his AG to stop an investigation into his own associates
this is preposterous from a criminal justice standpoint

You must have missed the recent reports on Dutch intelligence having access to security cameras used by Russian hackers who hacked into the DNC. There is direct evidence of Russian meddling.

>Why not just let Mueller do his fucking job?
How long will that take?
youtube.com/watch?v=WbfUjotYmUo
How long does it take? What is even the charge?

>The only reason anyone would have an issue with the Mueller investigation is if they believe Trump did something illegal and Mueller will find it
Mueller is not supposed to simply look for every little "illegal" thing Trump might have done in the past. How long does it take to figure out, that Trump was not involved in the hacking?

OH SHIT WERE THE DEMS COORDINATING WITH THE DUTCH

#DUTCHMEDDLING
#IMWITHHER

>reads only headlines
they spied on a Russian group during a different time period than when the DNC hack occurred

>Why not just let Mueller do his fucking job?
That’s what Trump’s been doing?

He should by all means sabotage that “investigation” though. Notice how the media has already changed the rhetoric from “investigation into collusion with Russia” to “investigation into obstruction of justice”.

Political witch hunt.

>continue to push the idea that Trump is a moron and became a billionaire based on luck and having everything given to him
>theorize that he has masterminded a conspiracy with Russia to take control of the US for which evidence hasn't been found after a year's of the worth of investigating by the world's leading law enforcement agency and after having been wiretapping during the campaign and transition

When will this sink in for the Dems?

>he thinks Trump is not corrupt

Clearly, you didn't read the article.

>he and his colleagues witness Russian hackers launching an attack on the Democratic Party in the United States.

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Wait, you're trying to say that a guy who isn't even investigating a named crime but rather told go dig up things and with unlimited resources to try and find something to pin on the president true or not, and who has questionable connections, and on top of it there's a possible deep state, should be trusted. No there's no reason to want to fire him, even though his current job is a witch hunt and and the claims baseless. Man you shills are ridiculous, sage.

1. His job came about because of political smears and teason.
2. He failed to prevent 9/11.

Because they'll try to burn him on procedurals that come from the investigation itself, and not anything the investigation actually produces.

For example, Michael Flynn.. His "crime" would never have happened if it wasn't for the investigation.

If there was no collusion, the investigation was a waste of time and money, and Flynn was burned for literally no good reason.

If there was no collusion, but they find some bullshit charge against Trump that comes from the investigation procedure, it's going to be civil war. Literally blood in the streets if they try to act on it or overthrow a democratically elected president.

>literally tabloid garbage
Nice source ahurrr durrrr

lib or rep

colluding with degenerate russians is pure faggotry

All these prosecutors VOTED for and donated money to Hilary Clintons campaign. All these fukkers HATE Trump and want him impeached. This is the most biased group of attorneys in the history of the world. All they got are process crimes for not telling the complete truth or tax crimes from 2005.

Fukkk Mueller!
Jail Mueller and drain the swamp!

MAGA x infinity!

ah, that's a different article. the one i read didn't make that claim

>colluding with degenerate russians
Absolutely.

So what happens if there was no collusion?

Just think that over... Try a thought experiment...

If any of this is based on the Steele Dossier, which is entirely a paid-for political smear fabrication, then this was a coup attempt. If no evidence of collusion is found, it was a coup attempt. People will need to be literally killed for it.

It'll probably be a shitshow where trump gets proven innocent of collusion but guilty of obstruction. Then House would have to go through impeachment vote