89 year old WWII vet: "Communism was the greatest time of my life. My parents were serfs, thanks to socialism I became a doctor. We had no unemployment, we had free healthcare and free education for all. The vast majority of people strongly supported the Communist leadership, and millions gave their lives to protect the system which brought the masses such enormous benefit."
15 year old dude on Sup Forums: "AKCHUALLY"
Stalin never gave me any free shit
Woman who grew up in Communist Hungary: "Life was awesome. There was no crime, people were communal, they cared about each other and looked out for one another. With people's basic needs provided for, individuals could pursue self-realization and self-actualization. The first time I saw real poverty and suffering was after the introduction of "democracy" in 1989."
15 year old dude on Sup Forums: "AKCHUALLY STFU BITCH, WATCH STYX AND SARGON COMMIE CUNT"
>some demented old brainwashed ex politburo member thinks communism is great
Stop the presses, I can find you a 90 year old who loves naziism too, and liberalism and conservatism
Old cunts are not automatically political geniuses dipshit
Nazis BTFO
Trusting communist propagandists, ever
>inb4u call me a nazi
Nobody hears about the Holodomor because Jews weren't the victims, but the culprits. :^)
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Sup Forums likes Stalin. He purged Jews.
and because it was real
who cares uuuuuuugggghhhhhh
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it's Bengal Famine
You don’t speak for all Sup Forums nigger
anti-capitalism at the time was mostly anti-semitism
only in the latest few years we seen (((them))) subvert the true left by pushing degenerate Trotskyism
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>86-year-old retired driver
>ex politburo member
In fact, it's ex Politburo members who dislike Communism, because it prevented them from making huge profits through corruption and crony connections. After the corrupt Soviet elite dismantled socialism (against the wishes of most Soviet people), those officials became the new oligarchs.
Holodomor never happened.
Thanks for posting this pic of Indians intentionally starved by the British imperial regime. It proves the moral bankruptcy of capitalists and imperialists.
well it wasn't that great for the ukrainians :)
>Driver to the vanguard class had a good time
woah
that second reply was a meme, whom ever made that picture has a low iq
Btw no food or rights either
Disgusting lie. The communist Revolution in both Germany and in Russia was jewish.
Actualy yeah, life in communism could be absolutly fucking awesome. If you were part of the elite or had contacts in the right places you were living like a fucking king.
Everything could be dealt with if you knew right people. And by everything i mean everything. Wanna some impossible to get goods? There is a dude that can get you some. Wanna some drugs? Got it. Wanna some hookers? Sure thing. Hit someone with your car while drunk driving? Everything can be fixed.
In a lot of ways communism less that actual socialism resembled feudal politics.
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>Stalinism is communism when we talk about the positive aspects
>But if you talk the blatant corruption, cronyism and destruction of political freedoms then it's not REAL communism
A certain group of people would disagree with your claim. They're called Ukrainians.
>People can't speak bad of communism if they die of starvation
ThinkingNog.jpeg
mass poverty and famine isn't something to gloat about ivan
Lmao can't even get a survey with a source hahahaha
>people long to the time when they were younger
ALMONDS STATUS: ACTIVATED
>some deranged old man "communism was great! free gibs!
>everyone else pic related
Bullshit infographic, I never met a single person who thinks that we were better off during communism
I know some poles that lived through communism. They don't have good things to say about it. The biggest grievance I can gather was the shitty healthcare. They were rural types, and I'm interested in other perspectives.
Source:
www.aryanwarrior1488.blogspot.com
www.stormfront.com
www.satanicesotericmage666.blogspot.com
www.reptillianannunakitruth.org
>Purges Jews
>Keeps Judea-Bolshevism
Well, famine wont get you if you are part of the politbiuro. Even during record breaking cold in Warsaw when people didn't get any heat for a week, court of the first secretary was driving around in their climatized black carrs surounded by cavior, champagne and hookers.
That's because you're not Ukrainian, otherwise you would post your real flag.
let say your poll is acutally real for the sake of the debate :)
you do realise that even if i conciede that ukriane is worst of economicly than now than before that doesn't = ukrainains want to live under communism.
i asume you know about the holodomor, i asume you know about what people that was used as cannon fodder in most of the soviet wars.
HAHAHAHAHA THIS LOSER CAN'T COME UP WITH A SOURCE SO HE SPERGS OUT
>N-no u nazi scum
Lovin Every Laugh Laddie
I was born in RSFSR during Soviet times, and can tell you with full confidence that Communism was shit, and am very glad to today be naturalized American.
Today, I can enjoy freedom of speech. I can play Beatles without worrying neighbors will call police. I can read Gulag Archepelago (and you should too) without fear of Gulag.
The first time I read Gulag Archepelago, it was samizdat copies from friends of friends, and hidden in my apartment because of my fear of it being seen.
not an argument.
what if communism only became unfashionable because stalin purged the heebs who he rightly recognized as a threat to himself and his people? what if the kike media that was so enthralled by commie russia turned against it out of ethnic malice toward the goyim and that is why we only ever hear about the crimes of the soviets now? what if the commies werent so terrible and were, after the kikes were purged, a government that repressented the values of the russian people?
pewglobal.org
Pew Research is one of the most respected polling agencies globally.
>Hol up
>Let me tell about your country.
ANSWER ME A FEW QUESTION!
What do you know about:
-Communism during the Kadár are
-The state of infrastructure in Hungary durings said are
-Working conditions during said area
Well, there were people who enjoy communism.
if you were a lazy bum for example ironically enough you had way easier time then. Sure, you needed to work but quality of your work had little to do with your payment. As long as you didn't screw up something major you could just fuck around and pretend that you are doing something and just wait for the paycheck. Given that goverment needed to give you employment no matter what they often hired three or four people to do job that could be done easilly by one person too.
And if you had a good head to buissnes and some major balls you could always make major cash in the black market. Sure, if you were caught you could get into a lot of trouble (if you didn't know right people) but everyone including cops were corrupt enough to let you go if you had something to pay with.
One thing that people forget about communism is that EVERYONE was corrupt and EVERYONE stole shit. From the lowest factory worker stealing nuts and bolts from the factory to the first secratery. Everyone was stealing shit becouse if you didn't stole you didn't had anything.
>kills everyone who isnt a communist
>look everyone who lived liked it!
Kay
haha you're ignoring me because you have no good reply :D pls never change :)
There was no "Holodomor". There was a famine, primarily caused by environmental factors (huge epidemic of rust destroyed most of the harvest).
Most Ukrainians outside of Lvov are extremely pro-Soviet and pro-Communist. That's why the CIA had to stage a coup in Ukraine - because through democratic methods, the current far-right pro-IMF regime could never come to power.
>Stalin dindu nuffin he a good goy need mo money fo dem five year plans
Funny, my grandfather said the exact same thing about Hitler.
I still waiting for my answers.
Fascism bad
Totalitarianism good
Begs the question, why?
>because I got told that during my brainwashing
>-Communism during the Kadár are
Absolutely revisionist, I am against it but it's not my business how Hungarians run their country.
>-The state of infrastructure in Hungary durings said are
Better than today.
>-Working conditions during said area
Better than today.
Fartsovshchiki made a killing, when they were not being killed for committing "jeans crime" for smuggling evil imperialist corruption like Levis.
Soviet jeans "Montana" were, of course, garbage not worth mentioning except for a joke.
Today, American communists probably don't know that in USSR, death was sometimes penalty for smuggling things like jeans, or arrest for wearing them.
If I wore t-shirt of George Washington in Moscow like today's communists wear Che Guevara, maybe I would not be alive.
If this was IRL I'd bet $100 that you're a Jew
interesting idea
it seems to me the ideal state of proto-human 150person hunter-gatherer tribe is communism, everyone equally invested in the group's overall survival, take as you need. give what you can, we're all family, human psychology can't live and produce day-to-day outside their Dunbar group, this is why we need libertarian capitalism, to harmoniously connect weave small tribal family groups into cohesive cities and provinces.
Pretty sure the Germans under nazi rule had it fuking great. Also Italy was top notch during Mussolinis time.
When Hitler came to power, Germany was already one of Europe's most developed countries. When he died, it was a bombed out hellscape.
When Stalin came to power, Russia was Europe's most backwards, impoverished countries. When he died, it was a global superpower competing with the US for global domination.
Big difference.
maybe you could have a point, but the way the soviet use the ukrainians as meatshields in wars proves otherwise.
so even if the holodomor was an acident, the way the soviet didn't lift a finger to help was beyond sickening
My parents lived under communism, it was bad hence why they fled. Stupid ruskies only brought poverty, misery and terror to Eastern Europe.
>this is why we need libertarian capitalism
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I seem to recall a fair number of old ethnic Germans describing the Reich in fond terms as well, and a fair number of Italians who still like their Duce (as it's not against the law, since he didn't participate in muh 6 million).
I guess we're so far removed from the old communist and fascist regimes that the only way to ascertain their true merits is to try them again.
>Europe's most developed countries
>1930 germany
>Europe's most backwards
>Russia during the Tsar
Stalin didn't done much more than put into practice plans already made by trotsky. Only plan that was his own was purging officers that he would need during WWII becouse a marmolade octopus that lived in his brain told him to.
There was some old German man who became a Mormon convert and later the church found out he was a WWII veteran and was a member of the Nazi party. He said that life under National Socialism was the greatest time in which he ever lived. He said a man went from being unable to find work to being able to earn a salary with which he could raise a family, eat Danish pork, drink French champagne and Italian wine, and see Deutsche Fabrik everywhere, the country was back on its feet. He said that Hitler promised the working man the world and he gave it to them.
Kind of brought a tear to my eye.
>it was a global superpower competing with the US for global domination
The Soviet Union was totally dependent upon enormous sums of foreign aid given to it by the US government. The Cold War was a charade, and the only reason the USSR didn't collapse decades before it did is because it was on life support the entire time.
Oh please Mr. America tell me more about my history.
Of course they helped. Stalin wanted Ukraine to become an economic powerhouse. Letting millions of people starve to death doesn't make any sense within that broader plan.
amazon.com
>They note that in February 1933 "the Politburo authorised the issue of over 800,000 tons of grain as seed to North Caucasus, Ukraine, the Lower-Volga Region, Urals and Kazakhstan; and a further 400,000 tons was issued before the end of the spring sowing. ... Between February and July no fewer than thirty-five Politburo decisions and Sovnarkom decrees - all secret or top-secret - authorised in total the issue of 320,000 tons of grain for food." This included 194,000 tons of food aid for Ukraine. A total of `nearly 2 million tons' was issued for seed, food and fodder.
>Davies and Wheatcroft provide detailed data on the state's seed, food and fodder loans and aid between February and July 1933 in their Tables 22, 23 and 24. They also show that "Considerable efforts were made to supply grain to hungry children."
>Russia during the Tsar
Yeah, russia under tzar was borderline fucking medieval. Sure, there were few nice cities but there was very little any sort of industry and farming didn't change much since times of mongol invasion (but then again they still fucking didn't).
>death was sometimes penalty for smuggling things like jeans, or arrest for wearing them.
This sounds like bullshit. I know people that smuggled in jeans to the USSR and sold them on the black market.
Wasn't it shit by today's standards, but ahead of the rest of the Eastern Bloc?
>who is Yuri
you know what to do, wise men
>plans already made by trotsky
Yes, such as exterminating all of the "bourgeoisie" farmers, inducing one of the greatest famines in the history of the planet?
>tfw your (((workers paradise))) demands the extermination of the Kulaks
Of course class warfare is true.
If you already own nothing, how can a government that takes from people hurt you?
Ancap is for the middle class and above and I fully admit that anyone with no interest in being middle class or above need not follow this ideology.
As someone who is part of the upper middle class I would have to kill the communists to protect my way of life.
For every one of these dudes you can find 2345235409723049872 corpses and starvation victims right fucking now, much less throughout history.
>Driver
Went and read the article this came from, these were all part of the pigs in the oligarchy that were considered better than the other animals.
>My father was a party boss: some babushka whore
>giving a shit about what braindead hohols think
Yea, easy to have few violent crimes in a white ethnostate
15 year old soyboy on /leftypol/: "AKCHUALLY"
Stalin turned Russia into a superpower, even if his methods were brutal.
Holodomor denier detected.
Remember lads: Only jews deny the Holodomor, because jewish Bolsheviks were responsible for it.
No human being in history has been held accountable for the intentional starvation of 12 million+ Ukrainians, even though in the 1980s the international communist parties the world over officially acknowledged that the Holodomor occurred.
Only jews deny the Holodomor.
>Yes, such as exterminating all of the "bourgeoisie" farmers, inducing one of the greatest famines in the history of the planet?
Yup. That was already lied out by trotsky. Ironicly enough stalin with his "communism in one country" instead of agressive expansion ideas of trotsky was prabobly less bloodthirsty of the two. Let that sink in for the moment.
>some old communist bastard
>praising communism
great victory of your ideology
Read Solzhenitsyn, and real state of Jews in USSR will become apparent.
Mind you, Jews were not treated well either. There is no human rights in USSR, because you are neither human nor right - applies just the same from dissident to young communists in komsomol.
Please, you believe this garbage?
For you in English
en.m.wikipedia.org
If you think this crime is bad, then consider that almost every Soviet citizen had buy from fartsovshchiki something eventually. If not luxury jeans, then something needed. Of course, to make small business providing people with needed and wanted things though, is crime. Komsomol meetings used to teach us not to, but what other choice is there?
(((Alt-Right))) Duginist naz-bol cuck detected.
Duginism is anti-White.
In America commie subversion was 70-100% jew too
>working within the system to effect change is bad
he also turned around degeneration sex feminism culture as i understand it and stopped persecution the church
ukranian are cia mccain gommie puppets like kurds so good riddance
countries that go full kike sometime have a nasty habit of becoming really anti semitic. it doesn't always manifest in the form of evil hitler shoah.
>not an argument
Not an argument
He has heard my prayers
HH
I don’t give a fuck what some old Georgian shitskin says
>evil hitler shoah
>believing the holohoax happened
Ridicule isn't an argument.
Came here to post this.
Dub's of 88 compel you!
>It worked great
>Until the whole fucking country dissolved
>It was under communism so it was better than today.
WRONG.
You don't like the Kadarian system but it's actually saved us from being yet an other soviet block country. Do you know why was certain people preferred communism. In the terms of work, work was mandatory, everybody got the same wages and refusal to work was punished with prison. But do you what a lack of competitiveness in the work place leads to if everybody gets the same payment (or shit tons of useless medals). Said people don't want to work at all, just laze around because "Hey I will get paid either way". I remember hearing tales about said workers, but I remember other kinds of tales about a few tons of materials just "vanishing" to thin air when the government wanted to built collectivist farms. That material is not vanished, the workers stole it to build their houses because "Hey, if the workers owns the means of production, this few bag of cement is mine as well". People were more traditionailist and had closer relations beacuse THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE.There were house where not even had dialer phones for God's sake.
And more factory=/=better working conditions.
I don't like unregulated capitalism, but I admit that it's determines way better the needs of common people than "government approved products" and it competitiveness between companies result in technological development (but they creating to much waste and to profit oriented t.b.h.).
There was no "Holocaust". There was a famine, primarily caused by environmental factors (huge epidemic of rust destroyed most of the harvest).
America and Russia both lied to their citizens about how terrible life was in that other country. They lied about how aggressive the other was. They lied about nearly fucking everything.
Turns it, both places had good times and bad times. Both places slaughtered people. Both places were decent on the whole.
ask someone who was dragged off to the gulags, oh yeah, you cant
>If you think this crime is bad, then consider that almost every Soviet citizen had buy from fartsovshchiki something eventually. If not luxury jeans, then something needed.
After Stalin the USSR degenerated into "technocratic" bureaucrat-run capitalism. The people controlling distribution of consumer goods (managers of the "depots", markets, etc) became the new de facto ruling class. It was they who launched the capitalist "reforms", which only brought them more power and wealth than before.
As a Hoxhaist, I don't feel the need to defend any actions of the Soviet Union after Stalin's death, because by the late '50s it became a for-profit enterprise run by criminals.
That was obviously because of the evil west and had nothing to do with the glorious totalitarian Soviet system. So many desperate West Berliners were trying to flee into our bloc we had to build a wall to keep them out.