How in the Hell did the Red Army Defeated The Germans with these Cheap Guns?

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WORST
MACHINE
GUN
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quantity > quality

Cheap guns used by men who's lives were worthless to the Soviets.
Hoards of them. And American support.

>machine gun

You mean machine pistol

yo the ppsh is a sick lead hose m8

Nun uh according to Call of Duty WWII YOURE ARE THE WRONGZ

>WORST
>MACHINE
>GUN
>EVER

Yes, the PPhS was so terrible that German troops routinely stole them off dead Russian troops.

>PPsh
>Armor piercing ammunition
>Cheap

You dont get that kind of stuff nowadays...

THey had like 10 times the people germany had as well as the allies on their side

you did not read any books johnnie??
NOT THE RED ARMY WON THE WAR, YOUR JEWS WON THE WAR you dumb. And you paid it with your blood.

to be fair, the germans were so desperate for guns they stole every gun off dead troops, hell there were thousands of 1911s in german service

Out of necessity most of the time.

an they copied it from finnland.

That rate of fire on that gun was absolutely incredible.

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Because they got ammo to feed it, unlike German guns who needed a truck to ride 4000 km of muddy road.

zerg rush

They just threw wave after wave of their men at the Germans until German forces ran out of supplies to kill more of them with, basically. The Soviet strategy in WWII wasn't exactly impressive.

Gun Jesus said the tolerances were so bad you needed to find specific drums that worked with your gun and keep them together. Retarded soviets and their horrible machining.

>I learned history from call of duty the thread

except the PPSH was easily one of the best CQC weapons ever invented with a high rate of fire and controllable recoil.

Heck, they were still in use in Chechnya btfo'ing vatniks in the 90's.

Even the crapiest gun needs only to shoot one bullet once and that bullet hit a vital point, kill the best trained soldier in the world, now multiply that by millions. The germans were basically zergrushed.

>i learned history from mohammed

gtfo retarded bong

Zerg rush

A gun that works, works
Most of the shooting was still done with rifles anyway.

In the end it game down to Germany getting crushed on the strategic level thanks to the allies' efforts, and towards the end of the war the Soviets were getting smarter on the operational level, and if you own both of those you ultimately make the tactical level meaningless

god there were so many holdout fortresses that German commanders thought they could slaughter hundreds of thousands of reds at, but in the end the Soviets just went around

Growing up in Russia you are taught that sacrifice for you people is the greatest thing person can do. There are entire museums dedicated to specific wars (dating back to like 1400s).

Crazy patriotism, combined with resurrected military tradition after the communist jew attempted to destroy it all had Germans raped to the key of 5 million.

Do you honestly believe this?

German soldiers were so incapable, so bad at war that they lost to a bunch of hungry skeletons running at them?

The reason you have Russian blood in you is because Russian ran at your soldiers till they drowned them in bodies?

In truth, small arms are not really important in WWII. Probably 60% of casualties were caused by artillery, and 30% by air attack. The last 10% can be divided among small arms, mines, grenades, small diameter mortars (large bores are arty), tanks, etc.

You don't win wars with small-arms. Essentially lightly equipped infantry is there to guard tanks, artiller, and planes, who are all the real killers. In war less than 2% of casualties are caused by small-arms fire

> And American support.
America didnt support shit
it did but just a little and it did not even help

the gun is developed in Finnland, later copied by ruskies. Legendary reliable. Like the T-34, simply and sure.

It can not be compared with Tiger, and with german weapons generally.

Actually they only copied the 71 rnd drum magazine.

You counting tank killers as artillery?

You read too much comics Pierre.

at the end of the day they just needed something that works, combat in WW2 was more about artillery
and while german artillery was of higher quality, it couldn't compare at all to intelligent pre-planned fires and sheer volume of pieces that the soviets had

>small arms having any kind on influence on the outcome of a war

The PPSH was fucking great

Germans would often pick them up off of dead bodies so they didn't have to use their shitty MP40's

>land war in Asia
>also, one other classic blunder

The ppsh 41 is better than the mp40 though and required a artisans to fully finish it thats why the started creating the pps42 and 43s ect.
the mp40 was all stamped and a lot simpler to create and was also quite excellent at what it did.

You mongoloids would still be using frozen dead horses to transport all your shit if it wasn't for our trucks

>America didnt support shit
Kek
>The United States delivered to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941 to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil), 4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,911 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. Provided ordnance goods (ammunition, artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives) amounted to 53 percent of total domestic production.

when you have more men than your enemy has ammo

You sayin planes win Wars? Look up Bewegungskrieg

yes my son. Therefore we lost the war. Because uncle Abraham paid for 30 mil. shoes for ruski army. And many more things.

Le Soviet deep battle is just a meme. They defeated the mightiest war machine in the world by just zerg rushing peasants lel

I want you to listen to me and listen carefully. You should rethink the path you've chosen. There is nothing amusing and entertaining about what you're doing. I'm not saying that anything here is serious and that you should be, but simply that you think you're being funny or having fun, but you're boring, obvious and nobody is laughing. If you're going to attempt to make troll posts or slide threads you're going to need to learn the basis of triggering people. Step 1 is that your premise cannot be so blatantly idiotic that anyone with a basic level of knowledge about the topic can see it and immediately detect your stupidity. Step 2 is that when you're giving your token egging-on/baiting responses to avoid being a 1 post by this ID thread, you can't just go full retard right away. Honestly, this thread is a shitty attempt at being shit which isn't annoying or funny or edgy, it's just highly embarrassing. I feel embarrassed for you OP, its like watching a terrible comedian get up on the open mic night and they're trying really hard to be like their idols and failing miserably because they don't even have the most basic concept of what "funny" is and how to be it.

>hurr a zergrush meme
>durr me iz into kheestory n sheet
>Holocaust is a lie am right guiz?

I would hardly call a 1/3 k/d spread well thought out strategy

You can keep blaming the jews all you want (just like Germany did for the last war) but Germany's fate was sealed as soon as Barbarossa began

Well explicitly military casualties are more or less the same. BUT when you add a civilian casualties and add soviet POW's that were killed in concentration camps than you go with ridiculous K|D that every nazy fanboys loves to scream about.

PPSH was literally called "Daddy" by the Russians (papashka). The USSR was fucking gay

may be. you would not bet your balls for what you are saying for sure. But we stay friends Pierre.

>Well explicitly military casualties are more or less the same.
but that just isn't true.

Word in russian does not have any lewd connotations.
Must be hard to live in the culture where every second word is gay keyword...

Biggest issue with Russian army was not that they were incompetent ... their leadership simply was after Stalin had cleansed their ranks. Those human wave attacks were mostly the idea of the new stout communist officers after all. The Russian soldier was not exactly to blame for this...

all my guns have female names you fucking fag, go reminisce about the fun times your gay grandpa had with his "daddy"

Ivan, we know it. How many of your ruskies fellows has grandpa Stalin killed before the war?

This is closest to correct answer. The Germans defeated themselves by making poor decisions and stretching their supply lines thousands of kilometers, then it snowed. Small arms had little to do with it, numbers on home turf fighting an exhausted, stretched out and under supplied adversary is a better answer.

The Red Army had "anti-retreat detachments". They shoot their own retreating soldiers.

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>with german weapons generally

Yes, because it actually worked. German weapons were advanced but more complicated and thus prone to breaking down.

I own P1 (post war P38) and M57 (Yugo Tokarev clone), Walther is nicer and more refined, more precise, but there are a lot of small hooks and other shit, while TT has few big, simple parts. I imagine that it would break down much sooner with poor maintainence.

Hitler said they destroyed 34k soviet tanks in 1941. 34 fucking thousands tanks, thats 93 tanks per day.

>WORST MACHINE GUN EVER
Hold my beer

Small arms counted at Stalingrad, if the germans had just sat outside and bombed the place to dust...

We get it. You're not gay. Everybody is convinced.

Do you realize that the Tiger battalions had a higher operational percentage than the T-34s? The T-34 was notoriously unreliable and of poor build quality. Here's an order from Uncle Stalin himself in the summer of '42:

>‘Our armored forces and their units frequently suffer greater losses through mechanical breakdowns than they do in battle. For example, at Stalingrad Front in six days twelve of our tank brigades lost 326 out of their 400 tanks. Of those about 260 owed to mechanical problems. Many of the tanks were abandoned on the battlefield. Similar instances can be observed on other fronts. Since such a high incidence of mechanical defects is implausible, the Supreme Headquarters sees in it covert sabotage and wrecking by certain elements in the tank crews who try to exploit small mechanical troubles to avoid battle.’

you can not conquer russkies without thousands of miles. Poor decision was only- we can make it out in few months. And not calculate with the jew gold in New York.

Thats the point. You can make sten in bike shop. This is guerilla gun.

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>STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR THE GERMANS LOSING
>THE RED ARMY WAS POORLY EQUIPPED! ONE SOLDIER CARRY THE RIFLE AND THE OTHER THE AMMUNITION! KOMMUNISM EQUAL SHARING

True, some versions only had 47 parts, and it cost 15 shillings to make (less than a pound). Jammed a lot though, bit of a drawback.

Germanics are weaker than Slavs and Balts. Easy as that.

Spray and pray + commissar

the high speed low drag guys love their stamped guns

a soldier is only as good as the people that lead them.

The Germans never reached Asiatic Russia - the entire Eastern Front was in Europe.

You're retarded, all of the wartime weapons were cheap.
Also the only problem with PPSH was the fact that not every drum mag fitted perfectly into a gun, this was fixed with box magazines and PPS.

>the mightiest war machine
germany was just a meme, and memes aside it was only a matter of time we lost ww2 and i don't mean just the ruskies and just the manpower

you are right, but: Tigers were very few (mostly only by SS-Panzerdivisonen) and russkies have had THOUSANDS of T.34 Tigers were complicated and needed still serviceing.

It is somehow like Messerschmitt Me-262 jet and B-17: Amount wins.

Mr.Burns

>the breda 30 was widely viewed as a poorly designed weapon
>low rate of fire
>low magazine capacity
>used an underpowered and unreliable cartridges
>highly prone to stoppages
>only one barrel could be zeroed
>magazine was loaded using fragile 20-round stripper clips
>in north africa the weapon's full-auto mode was nearly unusable
>desert sand and dust caused the weapon to jam continuously
>more comparable to a semi-automatic rifle

Italy would like a word with you.

>the breda 30 was still considered the deadliest weapon of the standard Italian infantryman's arsenal

Or maybe they wouldn't.

they certainly couldn't starve the germans out

Lol you think thats alot? How many people were in the armies? How much material got destroyed? A million trucks isnt much for WW2 BAAKAAA!

>And American support
Instant kek.

The guns were worth more than the soldiers that carried them.
Atleast this how the USSR doctrine was.

ask your grandfather how that american made food tastes or how that finnish food he stole during the winter war tastes.

T-60, T-70, and the SU-76 made up the majority of AFV’s in 1941-42 and even in 1943-45 the T-34 comprised roughly half of the Soviet frontline AFV force. In summer 1941 there were less than a thousand T-34’s in the total strength of 22,000 tanks.

Also, pic related. shit tonk and wait till you see my follow up pic

with the 3 largest companies in the world at the time, standard oil, general motors, and american steel, with a never surrender mentality and an uninterrupted supply line of mass made garbage it was easy for the russians to fodder themselves for the greater good.

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Those trucks and locomotives were everything to Russia. Without the ability to move their men and materiel around they would have lost. The German's were constantly plagued by their lack of motorization.

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there were billions of russian

>Cheap guns
that's exactly the point

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Kek, and checked.

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Don't forget

>for the greater good.

you are right Stanislav. German soldiers against russkies is weak shit.
But since Napoleon, we know- not the Soldier counts- but the Headquarter.

Therefore you loss polska in ww2. Your Headquarter was a big shit and escaped to Romania.

so what?
actually i don't know why all of you always mention Winter war, SU won it and take a lot of territory which still is our