Trump wants to nationalize 5G network

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The main points: The documents say America needs a centralized nationwide 5G network within three years. There'll be a fierce debate inside the Trump administration — and an outcry from the industry — over the next 6-8 months over how such a network is built and paid for.

Two options laid out by the documents:

The U.S. government pays for and builds the single network — which would be an unprecedented nationalization of a historically private infrastructure.
An alternative plan where wireless providers build their own 5G networks that compete with one another — though the document says the downside is it could take longer and cost more. It argues that one of the “pros” of that plan is that it would cause “less commercial disruption” to the wireless industry than the government building a network.
Between the lines: A source familiar with the documents' drafting says Option 2 is really no option at all: a single centralized network is what's required to protect America against China and other bad actors.

The source said the internal White House debate will be over whether the U.S. government owns and builds the network or whether the carriers bind together in a consortium to build the network, an idea that would require them to put aside their business models to serve the country's greater good.

Why it matters: Option 1 would lead to federal control of a part of the economy that today is largely controlled by private wireless providers. In the memo, the Trump administration likens it to "the 21st century equivalent of the Eisenhower National Highway System" and says it would create a “new paradigm” for the wireless industry by the end of Trump's current term.

But, but, but: The proposal to nationalize a 5G network also only covers one part of the airwaves; there’d be other spaces where private companies could build.
The PowerPoint presentation says that the U.S. has to build superfast 5G wireless technology quickly because “China has achieved a dominant position in the manufacture and operation of network infrastructure,” and “China is the dominant malicious actor in the Information Domain.” To illustrate the current state of U.S. wireless networks, the PowerPoint uses a picture of a medieval walled city, compared to a future represented by a photo of lower Manhattan.

The best way to do this, the memo argues, is for the government to build a network itself. It would then rent access to carriers like AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile. (A source familiar with the document's drafting told Axios this is an "old" draft and a newer version is neutral about whether the U.S. government should build and own it.)

This is a big deal folks. Here is a counter argument of blowback
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Great.

That would be a fantastic idea desu. Shane about all the spring but corps give it to the give anyways

>Sup Forums used to be small government conservatives

>Sup Forums supports nationalizing a whole sector of the economy like Socialist Venezuela did

kek

Read between the lines. You do not want the kikes in control of this network. This puts it on the same playing field as the highways. Into the public's hands. As it stands right now. 2 Jews control the whole fucking thing

However you want to defend a socialist takeover of private industry, comrade.

>ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

I am literally self harming because of this.

More like Nazi Germany did Shlomo. Get ready to have your jew ass tossed into our nationalized ovens.

I love him.

Government needs to stay the fuck out of this otherwise it's going to be a complete shitshow

Proposal: All 5G equipment and components from the silicon up must be made 100% in the United States.

The national security concern is chip-level Chinese backdoors, presumably.

Critical infrastructure can, in the end, only be done properly by a central authority. Either a free-market monopoly, or the state.
In the free market, it never starts as a monopoly, however it is prone to naturally become one, or it becomes a cartel and is then functionally a monopoly.
Once it reaches that state it is regulated, which removes all incentive for significant upgrades and maintenance.
When instead it is the state providing the framework and any company is free to pay for access, there is now significant incentive to upgrade, as failure to do so will create the incentive for the free market to find better options.

Starting with a level playing field however is key. This solution removes all market entry cost and the MVNs can now have direct access.

I'm not sure I get it. Why does it matter if American phones take 100 more milliseconds to start a youtube video than if they were in a major China city?

One national network would be more functional than multiple competing networks because all of the spectrum would be available for one network - no AT&T block, Verizon block, etc.

This is an unironic natural monopoly at the tower-to-user level - backend could be competitive still.

Proposal: Documents required to access the network
>Everyone must upgrade to a 5g sim
>Upgrading requires government-issued ID
>Foreigners must prove legal status
Not here legally? Tough shit, no phone service for you.

>mark of the beast

Watching the christcucks scream about this would be worth it.

didnt' I read on here that 5G was harmful or something or was that bullshit

>government cutting out the middleman when spying on everything you do online
>desirable in any way
fuck off

Government has your dick picks regardless, Sven. That battle was lost decades ago.

Great idea. Mobile networks are essentially just as important as roads and such these days. Let Trumps government do it the right way and properly and not some telecom kikes who will cut corners to reduce cost and fuck the consumer over every chance they get.

>wanting to make it even easier for them
whiter than you, mohammed

its more about thelarge scale projects that can happen. not indovidual dl speeds

>Nationalized 5G network
>Privatized landline network

It could work

5G will be a big deal, too

No

Doesn't even matter at this point. They track everything you do so why bother having the middlemen

In the end the networks would demand government subsidy anyways, add in middlemen, each layer skimming off the top, to the bare minimum required just to get the subsidy and not a single tower more.
Then they would cry that they need more money for reasons. And the end result would be a shitty network cobbled together in a way that results in begging for more gibs in a few years.
>Trump wants to lower your cell phone bills
>Trump wants to make your communications more secure
>When a company gets hacked and all your information is stolen, if you get lucky some kike lawyer absconds with a few hundred million and you get a statement credit of $2
>If the government fucks up on that level, people actually get fired and you can hold people accountable at the polls

Yes

No, and you're an idiot who shouldn't be able to vote

I would genuinely be a better american voter than you

absolutely beautiful. if only he would start nationalizing other things...

I live across the street from a cell phone tower disguised as a flag pole. For the past month or so, unmarked trucks, pulling unmarked trailers have been doing work on the little maintenance room attached to it.

Upgrades? Data collection?

...nonwhite reproduction?

National ID required for phone
National ID required to vote
National ID required for banking
National ID required to work
Seems like a perfectly fine arrangement.
Most nations are like this.

I'd support this.

checked and kek’d

contractors.
t. AT&T Central Office Tech

It's not a private industry it's an ethnic Jewish industry.

And what happens, do you think?
Hate speech laws, no anonymity; places like Sup Forums cease to exist. More spying on everything you do online.

You're a fucking retard. I cannot overstate it.

How do morons like you even manage to breathe?

Hmm.

Might be to ensure the First Net system for emergency responders is reliable.

Everything is already spied on and anyone with any serious level of access already knows who you are. There is no such thing as actual anonymity on the internet.
>Building a system with the mentality that you will lose control of it
>Building a system with the intent that you will use it to keep control

Gee, tough fucking choice there. Oh no, look at me, I'm a nazi and I'm for law and order and being surrounded by others who share that desire and we all want to physically remove all the pieces of shit that cause the problems!
If you are speaking the truth and the system punishes you for it, then you are not speaking it loud enough. The truth is natural law, pure and simple. And you know if you're doing it right because everything goes to shit in a hurry when it's done wrong.

lil bump skrtt

sounds like real fucking progress

Trump should nationalize the NYC Subway

State worshiping snowniggers are the dumbest peasantry that has ever existed in the history of man.

Bump, this thread has actual content. Keep it from being buried in slide threads!

Trump should nationalize niggers and then sell them to African slave traders.
This would meet the technical definition of reparations.

>A massive proportion of the thread speaks arabic or various MENA languages, they have a massive proportion of MENA flag posters and self-proclaimed diaspora. Don't be naive.
You know who's white and trained to speak MENA languages?

I and most of the country will support this, but we have to take a long view on that. Order of operations, user. As long as we stay on the path of righteousness and truth, we'll get there inevitably. Trust the forces of the universe.

>I WAN DA GOBERMENT TO HAB NETWORK EBERYWHERE
>I LIKE DA BIG GOBMENT TO SPY ON ME, MAKE ME FEEL SAFE
>TRUMP SAY IT GOOD SO IT MUST BE GOOD

Liberal doublethink in progress.

>LIBERALS DISLIKE IT SO I HAVE TO DO THE OPPOSITE

You are so unbelievably retarded, it hurts

Nationalize?
HELL FUCKING NO
If this shit is true, I'm done with Trump, that is completely UNACCEPTABLE

It goes both ways dipshit, had Obama suggested this trump voters would have lost it

>drrr can't think for myself
>too stupid to live

>Obama suggested this
Wait, you mean there's a difference between a CIA agent suggesting such a thing and a person we actually trust to be transparent? Holy fucking context, batman.

If we were to privatize the 5G network why can't we just send instructions to them to block china and the bad actors?

@158368367
>a person we actually trust to be transparent
Here’s your (you)

Good

If China gets to install their shit in our country any more than they already have, they'll own us for the next houndred years. 5G is so groundbreaking from 4G that it's ridiculous.

Fuck China. Fuck communism chinks.

Nationalizing industry is objectively superior to free market.

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If it Obama said it would had protected us from china the trump fans would had ate it up.

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>le CTR!!!

>no net neutrality
>makes communism out of the newest network
you'll have Rocketman's Best Korean Intranet in no time. ffs. this man makes no sense. in time for 5G it will be all his fake news and fake jews and nobody else's. cant fucken nationalise healthcare like he said though
>the government will pay
>i will release my taxes
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

As long as he becomes emperor

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It seems to me that the internet should be like roads. It seems that so much in the way of costs go to billing, quality of service, things like that.

Roads are public. If they were private, it would be an incredible pain in the ass. And roads work pretty good. Internet is similar to roads, there is far more money spent on the internet with the private model then there would be with the public model. Spend the money, build it, make it great, make it free, all good.

Something like K-12 public schooling is shit, we can do away with that if we want to save money.

It all depends on the thing. I happen to think that if the gov was giving away free internet, more people can get better quality cheaper.

Roads are fine. On the other hand, public schools are shit. When you have a shitton of government union workers, you have a problem there. I don't see that problem with the internet, whether its 5g or fiber optic. The costs are the equipment, not liberal babysitters.

Astute

Trump already seems to be taking the approach that there are some things we should be building in the US, and is throwing up tariffs in order to make it viable for US production. See: solar panels.

Could do the same with 5g networks - us production of the 5g technology.

standard, govt, free education is not a bad thing in principle. the issue is that it can be used for good or bad. there is a movement that gets plenty of press (suspiciously) trying to make you think that classroom education and book-learning itself is THE PROBLEM. niggers love this because they're stupid and want to just chimp out all day instead of learning, but it's not good for whites. for whites, having the standardized education was a boon and it led to our greatest prosperity. the problem with our schools is that they are managed by jews and unions who are there to make a living not to educate. there should be a bare minimum of staff, all you need is a room, some desks, books, and a board to write on. school and education is cheap to provide in America when you strip away all of the other bullshit. We also need to dramatically increase the standards - if you can learn Algebra in high school you can learn Latin. You can learn real history. You can study real fundamental concepts. Why are 18 year old men going through school and having no idea how an electric circuit works? Education is a good thing, but our schools are not offering education they are offering something else. There is room for the socialization aspect of American schools and it is important - we learn how to interact with different types of people and this helps us as we become adults School is not just about doing schoolwork, we're not Asian bugs. But school is about teaching the kids, not funding "programs" or providing good jobs to the teachers. We need discipline in schools and less equality. People should be able to move around, move to different tracks. You don't want to learn about the Roman Empire? Ok, you can go to woodworking class instead and learn only basic history. That's good for everyone involved.

The problem is that the Chinks install surveillance backdoors into all of the hardware. No critical US infrastructure should be built with foreign switching hardware and software. It's idiotic.

>In the end the networks would demand government subsidy anyways, add in middlemen, each layer skimming off the top, to the bare minimum required just to get the subsidy and not a single tower more.
>Then they would cry that they need more money for reasons. And the end result would be a shitty network cobbled together in a way that results in begging for more gibs in a few years.


That's the way it works now. It's not great. Free blazing fast internet paid for by the government sounds fine by me. It would be cheaper. Those middlemen drive up the costs. And the process of itemizing every single person and billing them is costly. If it was free, there wouldn't be any billing costs.

The government pays for so much now, and they aren't paying for the right things, or paying for the right things in the right ways.

Government can provide services. Government does pay peoples bills in many cases, and those markets are all fucked up because of government.

Which would be better?
A) Government gives everyone food stamps used at the supermarket where they can buy glyphosate laden wheat which is poison. And at every stage of the process there is a middleman who gets their cut. The food is bad, makes you sick, and is very expensive.

B) Government contracts with wheat farmers, other farmers, to grow wheat and other food without any glyphosate. Everyone gets a certain amount of that food, but they have to go to the farm to pick up their free food. That's the cheapest way to get food to as many people as possible and it's not laden with poisons.

don't use Chink hardware?

We dropped a tariff on Chink solar panels. It seems that Trump gets it when he wants to have the US actually making some stuff.

It's 2018, and public schools are leftist babysitting these days.

In the old days, there was no easy way to access the information. You got the learning books from the schools. Now there is internet and computers, you can get the learning stuff from there.

I'm all for this. It would be better for the government to own such a thing so 5G communications would have to adhere to freedom of speech and kikes can't say "muh private business" to silence dissidents.

yes, having those fine folks at Jewgle spy on you is so much better, user.

Trump should nationalize the search engine.

that's true for adults but 5 year olds aren't going to teach themselves to read and play piano. school needs to be simplified, that is all.

Google is part of the IC so it's the government either way, you fucking idiot.

I feel your pain

No it's not... If Google were a government corporation they wouldn't have been able to seize the Daily Stormer without getting a lawsuit.

Retarded.
In 20 years or less it will be outdated, and we'll have to shell out more tax money to upgrade this shit.

and Northrop Grumman is part of the DoD...

The same could be said for almost any other infrastructure project so I'm not sure what your point is.

>all meme flags are hidden leafs

Life is complicated.

Thats a horrible idea
>govermont running anything efficiently (outside military)
>next swamp president will use it to hijack everyones phones for propaganda
Instead enforce antitrust laws and break up telecom companies

>5 year olds aren't going to teach themselves to read

FALSE. I was reading before I was in school.

At some point, we need to recognize that we, as a large group of people, just don't need to work. It's largely busywork. The schoolteacher takes her kid to day care.

Ok, so the 5 year old doesn't read, maybe they'll learn to read when they're 10. And who learns to play piano better - the one with the piano, or the one without the piano who goes to school.

It's babysitting. Babysitters are needed when we make people go to work doing busywork. The internet can contain "learn to read" websites and "learn to play piano" websites, and if we're giving everyone free internet, there is no additional costs there.

Free blazing fast internet for me or free babysitter for your kid? I'll take free internet for me.

There should be laws against shadow banning. Yeah, go ahead and type on the internet, but no one sees it. Hey, that steals my time. I would've done something else. I would've typed on a site that didn't shadow ban me. It's stealing my time.

we need free speech on the internet basically

>GlowNiggerNetwork

>>Sup Forums used to be small government conservatives
Literally why would you ever?

never give up freedom for security.
internet is the internet
nothing should be controlled but the government.

no there shouldn't, there should be laws against regulating private fucking property.
if you don't like it BUILD YOUR OWN.

I said the same about my countries internet project as soon as if began and I was right, because the smart people that understand technology know that NOTHING LASTS FOR 20 YEARS IN TECH.

google is a private entity _controlled_ by CIA.
you have to be really, really stupid, and live under a really really big rock not to know that.