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National Socialist here:

>List the best arguments against Libertarians aside from race realism.
>Also arguments pro collectivist and against individualism.

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>be lolbertarian
>see nation with great wealth and culture
>think that African subhumans will magically become like them if they were just given a chance
>oh wow, think of the children
It's the same kind of mental illness that's seen on the left, just with a different packaging and slightly better economic policies.

There are white nationalist libertarians like me out there. Basic assumption:
Violation of the Nap and big/socialist government is bad. You have to have high iq to vote for smaller government. Non-whites have lower iqs and will therefore be more likely to vote for socialism and violate the nap.

I think that if you let people do what they want it will result in chaos.
Given the choice, people will racemix like crazy.
People will forget their culture and become degenerate.
People will not care about their people, race and country.
You need a racial identity to bind the people I think.

Mostly Libertarian guy here: -

The main argument is that you need some form of authoritative force behind a society to keep it from being taken over (that is if you don't have privately-automated protection installed). That means you need something like an army to protect a society. Full blown individualism will still delve back into some form of collectivism in some form or the other.

Conservatives and Cultural Marxist proponents forget that the culture is a result of our biological tendencies. The more freedom in a society, the more likely the society will overall turn to degeneracy as the average individual doesn't have a clearly defined moral compass.

And as for private property rights, there needs to be some solution or authoritative regulation when it comes to something that affects the wide society like Anthropogenic Climate change (yes it is a real thing, stop trying to argue against it) or the Tragedy of the commons other than just muh privatization.

You cannot be a nationalist and a libertarian. To be a nationalist implies that there must be some degree of control of the economy and borders for the preservation and wellbeing of your people. This is antithetical to libertarianism. Similarly, nationalism begets collectivism.

This.

Somewhat libertarian here.
Collectivism should be a switch installed in every powerful nation for when shit hits the fan.
When this isn't the case individual rights and freedom should be more important.
Argue with me.

>You cannot be a nationalist and a libertarian.
>Not taking the paleolibertarian pill

Communists and nat socs all get helicopter rides. Also the libertarian strawman you masterbate over is really just a liberal.

Enjoy the ride.

I agree. If everything is working swimmingly then why enforce control unnecessarily?
If you have Merkel's Germany happening you need another Hitler to fix it.

Bullshit. Libertarians of all stripes do see themselves as moral equals to other species, once you take the race realism pill it becomes trivial to have a libertarian perspective towards ones own kin while wishing to remain separate from the animals (who can never be libertarian themselves).

you cant be a nationalist and a capitalist you fucking globalist retard

A libertarian state would devolve into shittiness.
Freedom requires peace.

>If you have Merkel's Germany happening you need another Hitler to fix it.
just assuming you are talking about the millions of shitskins here: you dont need hitler to fix that. in fact you dont even need to change the law. if you would apply the german law as it is, 98% of shitskins would be required to leave the country. they also wouldnt have been allowed to enter in the first place. she violated the exact wording of the constitution with her retarded decisions.

you can be a libertarian and a white nationalist, there are plenty of us. give up the natonial socialism bullshit, it didn't work then and it will never work. take the redpill and realize that hitler wasn't even a white nationalist. he allied with japan and middle eastern countries (who he thought were superior Aryans) against white countries, in particular the slavic people who he thought were subhuman scum. he was a moron

>You can't be for generally free markets and individual liberties for your citizens while wanting to keep out kikes and shitskins
I don't buy into your false dichotomy, Achmed.

>You cannot be a nationalist and a libertarian

umm wrong, sweaty.

people forget that if there wasn't for societal punishment (both governmental and social branding) not only would most people do evil things, they wouldn't even think of killing a guy to take all his stuff and rape his kids as evil

Empathy for one's poeple.

Ah, you got me. I'm brown skinned. Anyway, i agree with the preservation of all races.
Libertarians are for liberty of the people.
One white nationalist will not accomplish anything and thus for nationalism to be successful you need collectivism.
Bottom line:
>Libetarianism allows for Nationalist individuals but cannot sustain a predominantly nationalist population since everyone is encouraged to do what they want.

Just sliding in to tell everybody here that white nationalism is Amerimutt bullshit, and you're only a real nationalist if you're an ethno-nationalist

I agree with nationalism for every race and for each race of people to have their own homeland.

bong speaks the truth, I don't care that you aren't a nigger, that doesn't make you my kin, it just makes you a human, and most humans can go fuck themselves

Yeah, thats why full blown individualism can't be the best option for a society unless all other needs are automated and cared for.

This video explains it pretty well: -
youtube.com/watch?v=yyuHncK0_90&t=101s

fascism is good
socialism is bad

socialism ruins the free market concept, free market is needed for a countrys economy to grow and for the country to succeed

what is your solution exactly? central planning? which has never worked. if you have a country of mainly one race that has a few basic institutions that people can rely you have nationalism.

white nationalism is just a part of ethno-nationalism britbong, your post makes no sense a white nationalist would obviously have no problem with other races having their own homelands.

Firstly have similar laws to the Nuremberg laws in place. People of English descent in my case are encouraged to have lots of children and this is supported by the government. Non-English people are only allowed to have one child and may not have children or marry English people.
In the long term, it will fix the proportion of ethnicities in England.

This policy could be applied in multiple nations where nessasary too AHEM SWEDEN.

Socialist that's where its wrong

Fucking hell you really bring the
>American education
Meme into full force
White nationalism cannot and will not work. A 20% irish 20% German 20% Anglo 20% Slav 20% Med and I have nothing in common. It is overglorified right wing multiculturalism. Barely any better than civic cuckoldry.

It worked in cleaning up the mess after the Weimar Republic failed. It actually worked.

Ew, Socialism.

this desu

(in case you don't realize, he wants nations to be defined by a more granular ethnicity than "white.")

fuck off with your purity bullshit, it's just about being white. good luck finding something who is 100% of any white ethnicity

Why do so many right wingers try an equate nat soc to socialism ?

Noticed it increasingly in british right wing groups.

watched it when it came out 56%bro, common sense should be enough tho

Zionism is national socialism. For Israeli's

I support ethnic collectivism and individual freedom. We are Europeans and not Chinese cockroaches.

Your race is a discrace if you see the slags party in London. Actually white people smell the most. Besides that race is a social construct of passive aggressiveness by microdicks.

I'm a disgusting brown eyed mutt - the post

Just like ((((communism)))) has really fixed China problems cleaned the mess and it works....

>I don't care that you aren't a nigger, that doesn't make you my kin
fuck I wish more retards around here could comprehend this

XDD nice ID

My only issue with the individual freedom issue is degeneracy will happen.

>Mostly Libertarian guy

Well you suck at it, LARPer.

>I'm a nazi
>please tell me how I can keep justifying this delusion to myself rather than discussing

Such is Sup Forums

Clearly National Socialism has problems, despotism for instance, and secondary to that a lack of checks and balances.

Thirdly, the despotic dictator micromanaging the economy.


INB4 lies about the so-called economic miracle of illegally rebuilding Germany's military industry from scratch overnight.

Microsoft word exists longer than the third reich and they still havn‘t managed to make a useable formula editor. Not sure if it‘s the jew‘s fault though.

>Not even white

i don't care if i'm a mutt, you are going to waste your time trying to achieve a pure 100 percent British state which is impossible and in the mean time you'll just let more third worlders into your country. i might be a mutt but oh is it my country that is being cucked into oblivion and letting a bunch of sandniggers rape our kids?

I'd rather have minor degeneracy than be a robot. A good counter to degeneracy is to have a news channel that only gives logical news and is devoid of emotion/feelings.

Are you mentally retarded?
Tell me more about how Hitler was a communist.

>blaming insectoid backwardness on communism
He doesn't even know about the insectoid.

Fucking this.

Whole "alt right" strategy reeks of false flag diversionary tactics.

Well, Britain is 80% white. America is quite literally 56%. And you are letting in third worlders. It's just that your autism seems to not be able to process the fact that just because those aren't illegals, doesn't mean that it's somehow alright.

>a*ngloids
>white
Nah

Were you watching the news?

DACA was repealed, now remove 1.8 million illegals from that figure.

Get the picture yet? We're bailing water and you're hoping it sinks.

nu-america is le 56%
the midwest is still 90+% and trying to hold back the encroachment of israel's mutt mill

you are the one whose autism forces them to adhere to unobtainable standards of purity that diverts focus from the real problem which is the third worlder scum. this is the future of your country, it doesn't matter if it's 80 percent now, your whites have much lower birthrates than the migrants. and i don't want immigrants period, i don't care if they are legal or illegal. you are the one who is playing into the globalist's hand, you are either a shill who is using a divide and conquer strategy or you are the victim of such a strategy.

Muslims mind their place, here. We kill the fuck out of them if they don't. Despite three left

>MUH DRONES
>MUH RACIST COPS
>MUH INCARCERATION RATE
>MUH 2ND AMENDMENT

You need a revolution, kek.

who are you quoting ?

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Guess the Founding Fathers weren't nationalists...

Yeah actually the Nazi Party was called the German Worker's Party (DAP) when Hitler joined it. Oh guess what, my country is run by the Worker's Party (PT) we must be a far right......... Spoilers: only if right of Stalin

Kiss me I'm 16.5% Irish - the post
twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/957462746060206080?s=17
It's almost as if that doesn't matter because the immigrant hordes are going to be voting for the democrats anyway.
I'm playing into the globalists' hands by wanting ethnic purity, and it's so ridiculous to strive for it because full purity is unachievable. So we might as well stop striving for perfection, because that's unachievable. Let's settle for mediocrity.


Holy hell, amerimutts are such scum

If you consider your spic infested south to not be overrun with third worlders because mexicans are somehow more "civilised" than mussies, then you are outright delusional.

Collectivism will never work if you have niggers and Kikes. (Hitler is proof of this)
The former is a resource sink and the later is a rat possessor of endless greed.
Both Libertarianism and Nazism aim for the same goal.

Late 1930s Germany was fine. Hitler should have been content with his land grabs and Poland should have traded the corridor for Slovakia.

you're a moron, your country is being raped and you want to argue and disavow people who are a quarter German, even though some of your ancestry undoubtedly came from Germany unless you are 100 percent descending from the original Britons

it is ridiculous to have such absurd purity standards when there are so many more pressing concerns.

enjoy watching your country burn while you mumble to yourself "muh 100% yorkshire phenotype".

You're like that 5 year old that shuts his ears and yells "la la la la I can't hear you" when someome is talking.

My ancestors 800 years ago may have been Germanic, but I'm very much settled in the British Isles.
This means my culture is British. My values are British. My allegiance is to the British. I don't have anything in common with Italians.

You and your infested country are a mix of everything in Europe. You have no ethnic identity. White is not an identity. It's as the Serb earlier in the thread said, being white just makes you a human. But it doesn't make you my brother.

Your country is destined to fail regardless of how much you try to fight DACA.

Even if Dicky Spencer implements his autistic duginist wet dream, you will have no identity and fail just like you did in the past, when america was majority white.

We will fight back. Don't you have a spic problem?

That is why they invented white ethno-nationalism.

White isn't an ethnicity. It therefore cannot be considered ethno-nationalism.

You wouldn't be caught dead as an Asian preaching pan-Asianism. The Japs especially had the right idea.

What exactly is stopping a race realist form of libertarianism?
That's exactly what the American founders wanted for America.

Every country in the west has lost some of their identity. We have always had a national identity, our's lasted far longer than yours which has been dead since the 40's.

This is the perfect time for whites as a whole to take back their countries and you are wasting your energy on this bullshit. Was it the Germans who groomed and raped 4000 girls? Was it the Dutch who were behind those bombings? No it was the Muslims. You miss the point entirely.

Your country is already dead, it's only a matter of time before you can see it. We still have a chance.

>individiual liberties
have fun with infighting and parties in your people
>free markets
have fun with bad allocation of resources, commodity production and degeneracy

White solidarity can only happen where there is another race that threatens it. For most of our history, there was no solidarity among whites.

nignogs have the pan african movements. You sound anti-white. kys
Ethnicities are subdivisions of races. There is no "Asian race" but there is a white race.

I should also state that the Alt-Right thinks that American is a valid white ethnicity. By their logic, they really are ethno-nationalists.

Just because Germans didnt rape girls doesn't mean that I will let a horde of Germans live in the UK. How is this so difficult to get through your thick skull?

I am always bombarded with responses like "focus on the REAL issues today"

A civic nationalist will tell you to first focus on illegal immigrants. A normie conservative will tell you to first focus on obamacare. A neocon will tell you to first focus on the middle eastern conflict.

I have a set of beliefs that are all achievable without having to completely disregard one for another. Nothing fallacious about that.

i agree and now there is an external threat, the poz will only be defeated if the west is united, but these eurofags would rather fight over small differences than face the overwhelming threat to all white people

>National Socialist
>Individualist

Choose one, faggot. Either you identify yourself with a nation and do everything for it to flourish and benefit, or you are for yourself and only marginally better than other parasite on the nation.

Muh global warming, I mean global cooling, I mean climate change....

Libertarian? You'd trade your liberty for a few sheckels given the chance. And I doubt you understand that liberty lost is liberty we can never regain... You aren't even a libertarian. Not that I think being one is a good thing, but shit, you don't even know what you're talking about

>there is no Asian race
Listen, Edwin Pajeetson, the African movements alive because they have no culture outside of them being slaves n shiiet. Both white and asian cultures are diverse and separate.

The culture of an anglo is different from the culture of a slav.
Similarly, the culture of a chineseman is diffetent to that of a japaneseman.
Yet there is no culture in africa. They are void of it, which is why they unite under a banner of blackness. Same goes for American alt righters. They have no common traits with their fellow whites besides their race. They have no culture besides muh freedumbs and they will end up in the same state as the niggers.

They are not remotely achievable, you are completely absurd. I don't care if you want your British identity, that is fine but you are fighting over petty bullshit while the barbarians are at the gates. Like I said, enjoy watching your country become a caliphate.

>You cannot be a nationalist and a libertarian.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

libertarian here just want you guys to know that freedom exists is an absolute just like anything else. freedom is not simply an adjective to describe a feeling its an idea that people should have regardless of their ability. take a look at the modern world. what wrong with america for example. not enough freedom to eat tide pods. the government should be gone from our lives. people have been living with a government for thousands of years and it was all a mistake because they didn't know of the wonders the free market can do. theres no need instill discipline and virtue it doesnt get passed down by teaching it gets instilled by the laws of nature. nature determines who is the most moral. so fuck you socialist retards.

mfw when people compare nationalism to German Racial Darwinism

It's not remotely achievable to have Britain be as British as possible? Well aren't you a defeatist.

And before you strawman me any further, I know that you can't have a country be 100% of any ethnicity. As I've already explained, you can't be perfect, but you should strive for it instead of settling for mediocrity like you are.

ik read my other post
True Americans are European hybrids and they have their own culture revolving around "muh FREEDOM".

also
How dare you call a Saxon keyboard warrior a street shitter.

Lol ur dumb

It's not mediocrity, it's a realistic strategy. You can strive for your perfection once the west is cleared of the sub-human scum. You focus on the most pressing threats first.

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uh... ultimately your cultural and national identity dont matter do they sweet heart? Birds of a feather flock together thats why the workers of the world will unite. dont bother sitting and wondering why nations exist throughout human history and if its because humanity is at is still evolving past a tribal phase and therefore need the nation and cultural identity to survive to the next evolution of human society cause that's wrong. and it doesn't matter.

Read what I wrote before, you can clear out muslims without having the UK infested with Germans. Why does this appear to be impossible for you?

kys
you are not welcome here on Sup Forums

Let's feed him shit arguments