Christian Denominations

Hey fags,

I grew up in VT surrounded by mindless liberal atheist Bernie supporters, and I finally snapped out of it in my senior year. Now I'm a junior in college, and I want to start going to church.

That being said, I don't really know shit about who preaches what, or what goes on in church (yeah I know I'm retarded) but I feel like I should do it. So if you could give me some good sources about denominations and beliefs and all that or just tell me what's good, I'd appreciate that.

Also I'll let you know that I hate fundamentalism, don't want any of that bullshit. Also no shit where theyre trying to convert you into some cult. I just like the Bible and I want to be a good Christian and learn more about the history and what to do.

thanks guys

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>I want to start going to church.
Why? You some kind of nigger loving traitor?
>no shit where theyre trying to convert you into some cult
So, you don't want to be a Christian? make up your mind.
>I just like the Bible
How? It's shit.
>I want to be a good Christian
Just live like Rabbi Yeshua, be a worthless vagabond.

nihilism is the only true religion, fuck this gay earth

Prohint: Christianity is nihilism. It teaches that nothing matters. Your actions don't matter, your choices don't matter(or more on aren't choices at all and are just what God made you to do). Nothing in life matters except asking Jesus to forgive you for existing. Ain't that a great way to live, an idea to build moral philosophy on?

I'd say the same thing if my country was being destroyed by a bunch of fucking muzzies. Maybe if you weren't a nihilist tard you'd defend your country

begome gadolig :DDDDDD

>wanting to be a jew slave

If any of you guys are familiar with Jordan Peterson, I really like what he has to say about religion, so basically my question is where can I go where they talk about shit like that aside from being alone in my room

Do your country a favor sven, go out with a bang. Take as many mudslimes with you as you can. Do the right thing

>marching soldiers
Why would I want to fight for a country that spits in my face as soon as I wake up? Americans are unevolved and too feeble-minded to even realize it.

Just read the Bible my man, don't worry about denominations for now. Some college Bible groups can have good debates and discussions, or find a decent local Christian bookstore and ask them about some local groups.

>It teaches that nothing matters

Your life matters. You were brought forth by God in order to experience the world in a manner no other living being can, and no other living being (humans included) ever will. Your life is unique in the sense that no one in the past, or future, will ever experience your life.

>your choices don't matter(or more on aren't choices at all and are just what God made you to do)

God bestowed upon you free-will so that you may choose to use your consciousness for living faithfully to Him, or sin if you desire. Your own decisions are what lead you towards living a good life, or a sinful one. And no, making you choose between heaven and hell isn't HE'S MAKING YOU DO GOOD BECAUSE OR ELSE YOU GO TO HELL. Those who sin are not damned to eternal flame, it's those who do not come forth to Him, understand their sins, and repent that are condemned.

>Nothing in life matters except asking Jesus to forgive you for existing

Asking forgiveness is understanding that being human isn't an experience of perfection, it is one of improvement and enlightenment. Yes, ones who are dedicated to Faith do seek forgiveness from Him, but not for just any reason. Wrongful sins that tear at your heart hurt Him as well because he is part of your spirit. Healing spiritually (confessing and communion) helps you alleviate you in the way that knowing other people also suffer your pain, and also wish to be helped in the way you would seek to.

As long as it is a conservative congregation, you'll be well served. Beware the nu-male baptist, quaker outfits. They have names like "new life church of God", or "Crosslife". These types are poseurs who twist the scriptures to further their feeling. Have a preference for catholic or protestant?

Also if you walk in and there is a drum set or a guitar, just turn around and leave.

>I grew up in VT
Burlington? If so I'm sorry.

How about Catholicism?

Yeah of course I want it to be conservative. As for Catholic vs protestant, I guess I don't know enough to care. however, I know the Catholic church hasn't gotten somewhat corrupt and also I think the current Pope is a NWO fag

The Southern Baptist Church
Hellfire and brimstone preachers are the only way to go

kek an hour south of Burlington. From what I know Catholicism seems to be the most in line with my beliefs, and also my dad grew up Catholic (communion and all that). He strayed from all religion but his sister stayed with it. I've never actually talked to her in depth about it cause the rest of my family thinks I'm retarded for wanting to go anywhere near the church. brainless liberals

There is only one Christian church, the Catholic Church. Anything else is a false religion.

Some Lutheran congregations are great. Make sure if you go to a Lutheran church it is LCMS. Some offer old school services that are fucking amazing. like this youtube.com/watch?v=MiTHGXtmE9U

Just go to a mass and see how it feels. Sometimes you have to listen to yourself. You could also talk to a priest.

I agree, but so few Catholic churches follow pre-Vatican 2 dogma. They exist, but are exceedingly rare these days.

>picking a church communion
For fucks sake
LEARN AND RESEARCH
The fullness of faith is in orthodoxy, so you must determine who is correct between eastern orthodoxy and catholicism.
You do not turn towards heresy or truth based on what you WANT but what is right. You submit before God and pray that he guides you fully.
Learn and don’t be slack or intellectually dishonest.
I suggest reading Two Paths by Michael Whelton.
Christ himself established his Church.

Move up here to the NE Kingdom

Whatever crisis we may face today cannot negate Catholic doctrine.

This is a very good, concise explanation of the history and the facts that support the Catholic faith. It's about a half-hour read, I guess. Less than 10,000 words.

>catholic.com/tract/pillar-of-fire-pillar-of-truth

I'm an atheist. I am also a Fascist. This is because I know the truth, pic related.

>you must determine who is correct between eastern orthodoxy and catholicism
>You do not turn towards heresy or truth based on what you WANT but what is right

Notice the contradiction here? Obviously I'm looking for the truth, I just don't know where to start looking

>your choices don't matter
check out this plebestant

>it's those who do not come forth to Him, understand their sins, and repent that are condemned.
Feels bad man.
I would consider myself christian, and i have in interest in apologetics, but i cannot for the life of me stop masturbating. Every time i know "Its God or this" and every time i do it anyways. After i do it i say to myself "next time" but the escape never comes. Its starting ot become hard to approach God because of this shit. Why would he want to bother with a man who wanks off to pic related?

There's a lot wrong with me, my lifes been one hell of a ride mentally, but this vice of lust will destroy me, please help me user. What do?

I am greek orthodox. Its lit. You should go to divine liturgy

Independent, fundamental, soul-winning, king James only, baptist

Yes user, I'm sure the Cosmic Kike who's consciousness supposedly spans the entirety of space and time cares so much that you fap.

Fuck religion and their greedy collection plate. Put your money into guns, not mythology.

What makes the truth 'true' to you? Church councils? Theological debates? Feeling? A vision? I feel drawn to Catholicism for those reasons but also grew up as a Catholic. It just has a feeling that draws me to God and a feeling that I'm doing Good in His name. That and all the debates/canon makes sense.

We all struggle brother. There are groups that can help but just try to do as much good in other areas as you battle your sins/vices.

Also watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=kFtI_mVOXbQ

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He does.
Think about this: every time i get into this bad habit of mine, i start to readmy bible less, pray to God less, think about sex far more (almost to the point of encroaching on everything and ruining my day constantly) and then i start to question if i was ever really saved in the first place.
It makes my life a nightmare, but i can't stop, the fantasy is too attractive: i'm addicted.

The gun that the tyrannical state fears is the bread and blood of christ. No religion has posed such a threat to evil as has Christianity. Of course there will always be false prophets and teachers, charismatics, looking to make a profit off the faith. The coin in their hand is all they shall recieve in this life, and they shall have nothing in the next.

It seems that struggle is how God thinckens our skin agains evil? Temperance is tested, temptation are presented (but nothing we cannot overcome if we choose), etc.

I'll try to resist as best i can and dedicate more time to reflection and observance so i can avoid my many vices.

You mentioned groups, what would that be? Where can i find them? I know of biblical study groups but i don't want to present such sensitive matters as porn addiction, because perversion should not be presented to the church.

So the KJV is correct or is it corrupted? I own the KJV

It's correct.

You're not alone in your struggle. A little encouragement never hurt: youtu.be/D59lzKLuZ8Y
But let me ask instead of making assumptions... are you some kind of furry?

>are you some kind of furry?
unfortunately, i am.

Fellow Conservative VT user here: there is corruption all across the state... Everything is corrupt, plus there is almost no horizontal communication between agencies. The only way to shave VT is to somehow bring in a corporation that hires about 1000 people. Can't get people to raise families if they can't get a real job.

I am in a sexual sense.
None of that "community" shit.

Well you're not wrong.

Go the route I did and become a trad cat. Latin Mass and all that. If the Latin Mass is too much for you look for an Anglican rite parish in your area, or at the very least a Conservative Novus Ordo. That's the most common modern Mass btw

That's why I left. Couldn't get out fast enough. Half the people are liberal atheist socialists, and the other half are rednecks. The rich laugh at the rednecks but I've come more and more to identify with them. They actually love the country.

Read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. It's not perfect but it's pretty good to start with

Have you watched Jonathan Pageau?

LCMS churches are super comfy.

(((Novus Ordo)))

Do good as well. As far as groups I've only heard of them in passing. plebbit/infinity chan might have them on their christian areas. A priest might know since I believe this is a very very common problem at seminaries/monasteries and they have groups to stay strong against that problem. You could always ask at confession? It is a very very very common problem so don't feel horrible, guilt shows you that you have the right mindset in mind.

This and also "The Screwtape Letters".
"The Screwtape Letters" have a very good insight into how the powers that be try to mislead us and divert us away from God and toward the world, such that we lose focus of the important stuff.

youtube.com/watch?v=D3MWVMKKY3A

Hi user. Here's my take in 3 steps:

Faith: archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/119277518/#119286689
Christianity: archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/120132023/#120132023
Meaning: archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/111469379/#111478135

Just browsing FA is one thing. Partaking in any sort of interaction with other furries is a complete detriment to the mind; I was there and would browse the hidden board a lot. I recently decided to quit a few days ago. But you say you don't interact with them, so that's a moot point.
Try to find the pattern of situations where you feel the urge and avoid those situations, like if you go the bathroom, don't take your phone. Stay strong, leafbro.

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>reddit Christianity
imagine the most libcuck pseudo-christian spiritualist-atheist you can think of, and that's 90% of the subreddit. God forsake place, a hive of scum and villainy.

>8-ch
Funnily that's where i started learning more about the faith i passively partook in and started gaining faith in my faith.

From what i understand confessionals are not exactly a place where you ca just sit down and confess.

You can't be fucking serious with this? I can tell from the titles only that these are complete shit.

Don't spend your life living a lie. Get off your knees and be a man. Fuck god, fuck conservatives and fuck Trump.

See guys. this is what I'm trying to avoid

>"The Screwtape Letters"
Great book. I was really blown away when I read this part:

>"One of our great allies at present is the Church itself. Do not misunderstand me. I do not mean the Church as we see her spread out through all time and space and rooted in eternity, terrible as an army with banners. That, I confess, is a spectacle which makes our boldest tempters uneasy. But fortunately it is quite invisible to these humans. All your patient sees is the half-finished, sham Gothic erection on the new building estate. When he goes inside, he sees the local grocer with rather an oily expression on his face bustling up to offer him one shiny little book containing a liturgy which neither of them understands, and one shabby little book containing corrupt texts of a number of religious lyrics, mostly bad, and in very small print. When he gets to his pew and looks round him he sees just that selection of his neighbours whom he has hitherto avoided. You want to lean pretty heavily on those neighbours. Make his mind flit to and fro between an expression like ‘the body of Christ’ and the actual faces in the next pew.
1/2

>Work hard, then, on the disappointment or anticlimax which is certainly coming to the patient during his first few weeks as a churchman. The Enemy allows this disappointment to occur on the threshold of every human endeavour. It occurs when the boy who has been enchanted in the nursery by Stories from the Odyssey buckles down to really learning Greek. It occurs when lovers have got married and begin the real task of learning to live together. In every department of life it marks the transition from dreaming aspiration to laborious doing. The Enemy takes this risk because He has a curious fantasy of making all these disgusting little human vermin into what He calls His ‘free’ lovers and servants—’sons’ is the word He uses, with His inveterate love of degrading the whole spiritual world by unnatural liaisons with the two-legged animals. Desiring their freedom, He therefore refuses to carry them, by their mere affections and habits, to any of the goals which He sets before them: He leaves them to ‘do it on their own’. And there lies our opportunity. But also, remember there lies our danger. If once they get through this initial dryness successfully, they become much less dependent on emotion and therefore much harder to tempt

Most of Chittenden county is fake Vermont. The country folk will help you out if your in trouble and actually know how to, fix stuff and grow food. For some reason... Burlington is the epicenter of change. Once it swings back, our ideas will take hold. Less than 10 years till VT is a gheto... Planting the seeds now. People will support conservative view points if you don't label them first as conservative ideas.

Go to pocketcollege.com for the real deal. You'll learn about the bible and its influence on western civilization. Stay away from mainstream weako denominations. The stuff on pocketcollege.com will help you understand how to be a real man in this world.

Yeah, plebbit is probably a bad place. I remember reading something there years ago and thought it was more likely a priest would post there instead here, or at least openly. Just trying to think since I've seen more active churches in atheist countries than in my town/area.

Awesome ! So you celebrate the assumption of Mary into heaven and believe the Septuagint and all the Apocrypha are the word of God and you keep all the Saints days. Awesome!

I'm from Washington county. desu at this point retiring up in the NE kingdom with pickup truck and a .22 doesn't sound bad. It's a beautiful state and I love it. But if it's gonna keep getting overrun with fleeing libs from the rest of New England and the country, I'm moving to the south man

Your country is not the government that is destroying your people. Your country, is the men and women, your volk. They need you Swede user. We need you. Your race needs you.
We were born in the most important time of history - the time in which we decide the fate of our race

Do Catholicism or Orthodox Christianity.

Protestantism is fake Satanic garbage that hosts homosexual marriages.

>assumption of Mary into heaven
>Septuagint
I don't know what these are.
>all the Apocrypha are the word of God
The Apocrypha is not of God.
>you keep all the Saints days
I don't keep any of these.

Make sure you follow the KJV translators notes and read other versions of the bible .

Here read it from the translators mouths.

Translators’ Preface to the 1611 King James Version: “For as it is a fault of incredulity, to doubt of those things that are evident: so to determine of such things as the Spirit of God hath left (even in the judgment of the judicious) questionable, can be no less than presumption. Therefore as S. Augustine saith, that variety of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: [S. Aug. 2. de doctr. Christian. cap. 14.] so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is no so clear, must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded.”

In their preface to the 1611 King James Bible, the translators also praise St. Augustine and St. Jerome, even though Augustine and Jerome were Catholic saints whose views would be condemned as non-Christian by KJV-Onlyists in our day. In fact they defer to Catholic Saints opinions over 100 times!

You're making this more complicated than it has to be.

Just go.. pick one and go!

If you like it, go again. If you don't, pick another. Do this until you find one you look forward to going back to.

Protips:

Big churches do more stuff, can help you with that problem you've got, you won't have as much time on your hands..

Small churches feel more like family, more inviting.

Bring cash for the collection plate. It's supposed to 10% of your income, for the church to help people with.

All Bibles are "corrupt", none is better or worse than another. You'll need whichever is used at the church you like.

Be clean, be nice, be yourself.

Well that's interesting

God can use even the unsaved to do his will. I don't know what these Augustine or Jerome guys believed, but if it wasn't salvation by faith alone, they're in hell.

The Assumption of Mary is when God took Mary into Heaven.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary

The Apocrapha is 100% of God according to the translators of the KJV of the bible!

Translators’ Preface to the 1611 KJV: “But, when the fulness of time drew near, that the Sun of righteousness, the Son of God should come into the world, whom God ordained to be a reconciliation through faith in his blood, not of the Jew only, but also of the Greek, yea, of all them that were scattered abroad; then lo, it pleased the Lord to stir up the spirit of a Greek Prince (Greek for descent and language) even of Ptolemy Philadelph King of Egypt, to procure the translating of the Book of God out of Hebrew into Greek. This is the translation of the Seventy Interpreters, commonly so called, which prepared the way for our Saviour among the Gentiles by written preaching, as Saint John Baptist did among the Jews by vocal… The translation of the Seventy dissenteth from the Original in many places, neither doth it come near it, for perspicuity, gravity, majesty; yet which of the Apostles did condemn it? Condemn it? Nay, they used it, (as it is apparent, and as Saint Jerome and most learned men do confess) which they would not have done, nor by their example of using it, so grace and commend it to the Church, if it had been unworthy of the appellation and name of the word of God.”
library.osu.edu/innovation-projects/omeka/exhibits/show/the-king-james-bible/sections/item/72

And you must keep the Saints days. The Catholic Saints days.

The 1611 KJV had a list of Holy Days to be observed throughout the year, including

– Christmas (“The Nativitie of Our Lord”) and Easter
– The Purification of the Blessed Virgin
– The Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin
– All Saints’ Day
– other Saints’ Days

10% of your weekly income, if you go weekly.. you get it.

just remember OP, Catholicism and Orthodoxy actually follow the teachings of Christ.

Contrary to what Protestants may tell you, homosexuality and sodomy is wrong. Period.

Yeah people have the bastardized "perfect" version of the KJV of the Bible in which the translators defer to the Catholic Saints.

The one with the Septuigent..

The REAL 1611 KJV had marginal cross-references to the Deuterocanonical books:

– Daniel 8:25 – the note in the margin reads, “2 Macc. 6:9,” a cross-reference to a book of 2 Maccabees

– Matthew 6:7 – the note in the margin reads, “Ecclus. 7:16,” a cross-reference to a book of Ecclesiasticus

– Matthew 23:37 – the note in the margin reads, “Wisd. 2:15,16,” a cross-reference to a book of Wisdom

– Matthew 27:43 – the note in the margin reads, “4 Esd. 1:30,” a cross-reference to a book of 4 Esdra

– Luke 14:13 – the note in the margin reads, “Tob. 4:7,” a cross-reference to a book of Tobit

– John 10:22 – the note in the margin reads, “1 Macc. 4:59,” a cross-reference to a book of 1 Maccabees

– Hebrews 11:35 – the note in the margin reads, “2 Macc. 7:7,” a cross-reference to a book of 2 Maccabees

The 1611 KJV contained the Deuterocanonicals. Interesting that King James himself thought it important enough to spend the time and resources to have it translated and printed in a protestant bible.

The 1611 KJV had a calendar for each month of the year, which included:

A list of designated Saint Days!

A list of designated fast days!

A schedule of Scripture readings for morning and evening prayer which included passages from Judith, Wisdom & Ecclesiasticus). You know, those “uninspired,” “unauthoritative,” “unscriptural” books?

Make sure Prodestants to keep Holy the Saints days and the Purification and Acension of Our Mother Mary.!

Your perfect KJV is infallible. So make sure you do it!

This is Murrica, you can buy salvation of the dollar menu at the drive thru. Click your heel close your eyes and say I believe three times, and just in case donate to your favourite kicked dog or aids baby charity. Do this and you get a posh seat in paradise foreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever. Plus J.C. floats down on a cloud and dispenses neverending torture on all those other assholes. The best part is there is no real effort required and you can stop worrying about death or even weather this planet will be habitable for our grandchildren. Let go and let God. If you don't believe me just ask Paul. As a matter of fact you should probably just ignore everything not written by Paul, trust me, you will sleep a lot easier if you do, and thats what you are really after anyways, isn't it? I noticed that truth was not even one of your considerations. That is probably for the best. The truth demands that some of us are going to have to be better men than we believe we can be on our own. Who needs to think about that kind of shit when juice and crackers will wipe the slate clean, amaright?

Well I cant do it. All I have to say is fuck you "good Christians". I'm not waiting for Jesus. If we don't start building the Kingdom now, then there wont be one. The enemy has built an idol whose purpose is to devour the earth and it is well along on its task. Churchianity is castrated. If you want advice on denominations go ask somebodys mom. If you would like to learn to be a man like no other generation of men has had to before then come help me build the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Lord knows I cant do it by myself and the stakes couldn't be higher. Neither could the rewards.

How i got to where i am (approximately):
>first was an attraction to the idea of transformation
>then came DA (bad) where i gained that furry affinity
>the rest is a blur
>soon started choosing games 'n shit simply because it had furry characters, started making furry characters etc. Thankfully no fursona or any of that shit.
>somehow Sup Forums
>furfag tubers
>discovered /trash/ (the abyss is gazing back)
I want off this ride.

>Just browsing FA is one thing.
Still a bad idea i would argue, the mere presence of that shit turns me on like a motherfucker. Some of it is so aesthetic though that i couldn't help but save it.
>Partaking in any sort of interaction with other furries is a complete detriment to the mind
I think its more the idea of dedicating ones identity to what they are rather that who they are/outght to be. Its the same thing that makes an ok guy turn into a trannie megafaggot: when you focus your energy/time/self on becoming this one thing, you flandarize the human out of you and what's left is a husk centered around something that simply doesn't matter, thats worldly. I pity those who have fallen for the "furry community", God had the mercy to spare me that fate.

It is definitely true that spending time around those who focus on furriness is a detriment, because they will expose you to detrimental ideas, all wraped in a haze of porn and "yiffs."

However, you and i are both furfags (i assume) yet our talk isn't a detriment. Because we talk of escape, while the other prisoners talk of the grub.
I have browsed there a few times and every time i go there i return to that degenerate default in me. I'm avoiding it when i can but to say that it does not call to me like a siren would be a lie, for it does.

>you don't interact with them
not with the ones who do things like pic related anyways. And i know none irl.

>pattern
It really is my brain mostly, and my imagination.

It truly is astonishing.
Do you think it was divine inspiration?

>tf on martin luther
kek, perfet reaction image

I think we're actually on the same page. At the same time, I do want to learn more about Christianity. I'm not waiting for Jesus. I don't really care that much about the afterlife either; I think Heaven and hell exist in this world, and you can choose to walk towards either one. I want to walk towards Heaven. I want to be a good man, have a family, protect them and my country.

>Also no shit where theyre trying to convert you into some cult. I just like the Bible and I want to be a good Christian and learn more about the history and what to do.

No can do. Abrahamism is an enormous cult. A good Christian is a bad person. Try Buddhism, Taoism, Stoicism.

Be careful user. There is more to existence than merely what you can perceive.

what do people think of Mormonism?
is it against the Bible in any way?

I let myself get talked into going to a mormon church tomorrow, i need to know what i'm getting into

Well of course. What are you talking about though? The afterlife? When I said I didn't care about it I meant that there's no real way to know what's gonna happen once my time is done on Earth, so I'm not gonna stress about it. I'll do my best to live righteously and whatever happens happens

Might want to dig around on these youtube pages

Vaticanccatholic.com
youtube.com/user/mhfm1/videos?disable_polymer=1

15 Decades
youtube.com/user/hiimgerome/videos?disable_polymer=1

Ora Et Labora
youtube.com/channel/UCftUCsu9dHPjP0yUbP4C-LQ

Catholics believe that you must be saved, baptized, stay ina state of grace through sacraments to gain salvation.

Prodestants believe you just have to believe that jesus saved you and you are saved. You can do whatever you like afterwards, good bad or indifferent.

Make sure you think about that part alot.

Watch some debates on it.
mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/justification-debate-bro-peter-dimond-catholic-vs-keith-thompson-calvinist-reformed-protestant/

I'm sure some of the protestants can lead you to some debates as well.. Or just search youtube for Sole Fida, Faith Alone debate.

God Bless

Umm yeah. Unless you want the brothership you find in the Mormon church stay away.
You'd be hardpressed to find a more heretical sect.
Just do a simple youtube search on the subject.

it's even more Satanic than Protestantism. Also, Joseph Smith, the creator of Mormonism, took it up the ass

any specifics i should ask them about?
maybe if i'm a dickhead to them, they won't send me messages or call me afterwards

Mormonism is anything but christian.
Take notes, you'll have a lot of apologetics to do, and prepare to hear a near-constant stream of lies.

They try to ease you into it like any cult, here is what they won't tell you:
youtube.com/watch?v=n3BqLZ8UoZk

>Arian doctrine
>A cult with thought leaders and super-shit apologetics
>christian in name only
Truly the worlds worst fuck-up.

I'm currently working on something just like that. Its involves real life get-togeathers to discuss Philosophy and self improvement. We will start with the assumption that Christ is the Truth, the Way and the Life. Everything else is subsequent to that claim. Everything and I mean everything, else is subject to scrutiny. It will require personal initive to get started, especially when there is no group extant locally. We will be bound by honor and integrity to act upon our understandings of the world but we wont have to do it alone and we will be such better men then we ever could have been alone. If this sort of thing interests you, I would love to talk about it and I could surely use the help.

by live righteously do you mean for God's sake or to get spiritual brownie points?

Sounds really interesting actually

Vatican II isn’t really so terrible, but it seems like no one bothered to read it when they actually implemented it. Can def see the apparel of ultra traditional groups though.

Sorry mate I have to drive to work. Hopefully another Traditional Catholic can help you out from here.

I'd say stay far away from the Mormons. You are asking for trouble.

I think spiritual brownie points are just the side effect of living righteously. So no, not solely doing the right thing just so I can get into Heaven.

So for God's sake I suppose, whatever that means. For my spiritual sake, my family, etc

>Prodestants believe you just have to believe that jesus saved you and you are saved. You can do whatever you like afterwards, good bad or indifferent.
not exactly true.
See, it is true that once you've accepted christ you are justified by faith alone, but then after that you should by nature start doing works of the spirit, because that shows you and i that you have been saved, then the cycle of santification and justification produces a positive feed-back loop that makes you improve as a person.

Rememeber that you are not perfect, and will never be perfect, but you will improve as a person once you let christ into your heart.

Not all protestants believe in the "say sorry and you're forgiven" doctrine, because saying it doesn't mean shit, especially if its on your death-bed.

He is not amused, user. Apologize.

I did some serious research into my faith a few years ago and nearly fell away from Catholicism, but I found what I was looking for at the bottom of the glass. It all just fits. God bless, hope you find what I found.