Was Medieval Europe really that bad?

SJWs act like it was the shittiest, most backward and most impoverished place in the world and this disproves white superiority. They also claim that Muslims dragged Europe out of the Dark Ages. Is this really true?

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>he doesn't know about the majority of western history
brinlerts git owt

yes this is true. the dark ages started after barbaric white people invaded and mixed with the arabo-mediterranean peoples that inhabitated southern europe.

the babarican whites that "conquered" europe destroyed the pre-invasion arts and were generally null to learning from the smarter peoples that lived there simply because they were brown, had curly hair, and didnt believe in christ like they did

it wasn't until arabs came to conquer their former homeland that did the white "europeans" learned from them. the barbaic whites pushed them back but not before stealing their sciences.

they tore down statues of slave holders
and spread sexually transmitted diseases
so not much has changed

Interesting.

Islam rules! It brought Europe out of the Dark Ages!

stop samefriending your thread. you got btfo; #dealwithit

Sounds true....

that's because it is true

Right...

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>Muslims dragged Europe out of the Dark Ages

Kek, europeans dragged themselves out of it by rediscovering ancient treaties, philosophies and great authors of the european(read:roman and greek) antiquity.

Behold the crimes of the JEW!

haha u r le jew XDDDX

this is a half truth. ancient greeks and romans were more related to muslim arabs than you are because your ancestors were raped by abominable snowmen

Islam has stolen much knowledge from the greeks when they invaded alexandria in egypt.
nearly everthing scientific in quran is stolen.

Who are you talking to you fucking Amerimutt, the Jew mixed you into oblivion then mutilated your dick to brand you as he does his cattle.

It was literally the same as during Roman times except without the centralized military authority of the empire. The Catholic Church filled the role to a degree but they didn't have the reach of the legions. It wasn't too unlike the civil wars of Roman times. Conquering warlords fighting one another over the right to claim the title of Rome.

No it wasn't. Pic related explains a lot.

Short answer? No. Long answer?
gatestoneinstitute.org/2757/golden-age-of-islam

Islam created the dark ages. Dirty goat fuckers. They love the claim all sorts of bullshit


"It is the purpose of the present study to examine the causes of this, or, more precisely, to examine a highly controversial thesis about it which appeared in the early years of the twentieth century. This was the thesis of Henri Pirenne, a Belgian historian whose specialism was the early medieval period. Pirenne maintained that the real destroyers of classical civilization were the Muslims. It was the Arab Invasions, he said, which broke the unity of the Mediterranean world and turned the Middle Sea – previously one of the world’s most important trading highways – into a battleground. It was only after the appearance of Islam, claimed Pirenne, that the cities of the West, which depended upon the Mediterranean trade for their survival, began to die. With them went the entire infrastructure of classical culture. Pirenne found that from the mid-seventh century onwards a host of luxury products, which had hitherto been common in Gaul, Italy and Spain, disappeared, and that with them went the prosperity upon which classical culture depended. Towns shrank and society became more rural."

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Modern Appalachia is heaven compared to peasant conditions and SJWS find anything that isnt upper middle class as backwards.

The middle ages were the best days Europe has seen, the dark ages in particular were times of great political, military and architectural progress.
Don't believe the post-modernist view of the middle ages, they know that the origin of western values come from this period of time so (((they))) want to portray it as a brutal and ignorant aged, but it wasn't like that.

They're probably wrong in the sense that prior to modernity life pretty much sucked insanely hard for most people no matter whether in Europe, India or China. There's a reason why population skyrocketed after the industrial revolution - children who otherwise would've died of disease or famine now survived to adulthood. I think seeing 4 out of your 5-6 kids die young was pretty crap, family. Not to mention lack of proper hygiene, dental care, medicine etc.

Not as bad as pop historians (e.g. John Green) claim it was, but not a great place either by most modern standards. It depended a lot on the region and era. Italy in the 1350s was much, much, much worse than France in the 1200s.

If you know nothing abput a topic the answer is to read books, not do a contextless one-line survey of the opinions of uncredentialled online strangers. But all of our most important legal ideas came out of the decentralized middle ages and the fact that we never put together a strong centralized totalitarian leader like the Chinese had. See the movies Becket and A Man For All Seasons.

Here's an interesting take

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Middle ages Europe was the first time in history that Nations began to coexist peacefully. During the Roman Empire you were a citizen or a Barbarian, the middle ages saw the birth of the modern European powers into a world where Slavs, Goths, Scandinavians and Hungarians transformed themselves from pagan rapists into Christian Nations.

The Arab world contributed nothing to that transformation. Surprisingly enough they're still fueled by the same scripture that saw them explode out of the Saudi peninsula and destroy better civilizations than theirs to glorify a pedophile false prophet.

Well, one thing that medieval Europe DIDN'T have was hygiene. That's why a shitty, easily preventable disease was able to wipe out 2/3rds of Europe's population.

um WAT

You are wrong in some things, first of all, there wasnt so many deaths because of hygiene, but because of wars and birth deaths. In fact, people in the middle ages inherited the roman tradition of bathing. The whole thing of people dying from no hygiene concern was born in the victorian and industrial revolution era, where poverty skyrocketed and people filled factories outskirts with literal piles of shit.

>high infant mortality
>the Catholic Church
>very dirty conditions
>5'2 manlets are the average height
I've heard Middle Age Scandinavia was quite clean compared to the rest of Europe though
>peasants having better wages than lots of people today
>loli brides
Would rate a solid 6 or 7/10. Could be better. Should also note that every major figure associated with the "Islamic Golden Age" was deemed a heretic, blasphemer, and/or an apostate of Islam

>Saudi peninsula
Aussie Education at work.

That is a misconception created by hollywood about the middle ages wich is wrong. The middle ages people inherited the roman traditions to bathe and had a semi cult to cleaness

The Black Death is the testament to Europe's backwardness at the time, smashing any pretensions of white superiority. A disease that never killed a few thousands each time in Asia reaches Europe, and then suddenly MILLIONS die.

No, the renaissance didnt have hygiene, precisely because they were deathly afraid of catching diseases from bathing.
In the actual middle ages people regularly bathed and groomed themselves.
As a side note, the black death was imported into europe and had nothing to do with fucking hygiene.

As the name of the picture says mate.

Name someone who did hygiene better.

>North America
Learned everything it knows about hygiene from Europeans
>South America
As above, but they didn't learn as much
>Middle East
Literally living in the Ruins of Colonies built by Europeans which themselves were established because prior to the establishment of those colonies Arabs had been living in the ruins of the Eastern Roman Empire
>Asia
With the exception of Japan, most would find middle ages Europe to be on par with their standard of living
>Japan
A colony of a European Colony
>Australia
Truly the exception that proves the rule, a Colony that is the truest inheritor of not only the British Empire, but really all European endevour past and future. To say these people are the most clean, industrious and godly people on earth is simultaneously absolutely true to also a tremendous understatement.

>They also claim that Muslims dragged Europe out of the Dark Ages. Is this really true?
I don't know about back then but now a days Muslims are dragging Europe into the Dark Ages.

nope, millions died around whole eurasia

considering the Arab world now constitutes everything from all of north Africa, central Asia though Constantinople and France, Germany and Belgium, if we keep saying Arabian peninsula its going to cause confusion.

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That is the same thing as when the conquistadores went to america, where common viruses killed the native population, its part of nature, there were also some accounts of common disease in europe infect and kill in asia too.

Also if you actually believe that the middle ages was a backwards age you are whether a complete ignorant or a kike

>The middle ages were the best days Europe has seen

You must have some bizarre spiritual metric considering the short lifespan, absence of medical care worth mentioning for most people etc.

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Inbreeding?

Yeah but women don't act disgusted when they see my dick. I have a buddy who is uncut (grew up overseas) and he says more than once women have balked at his worm dick, and even more refuse to suck it.

I'm sure thats only in America, but hey...that's where we live. I don't give a damn about the reasoning behind it, I'm just glad women don't see my dick and ask what's wrong with it

I agree with you guys, it's stupid and pointless and we shouldn't do it, but until women aren't grossed out by a natural worm-dick, I'll stick with my knob as is, thanks.

Hi Achmed. I see in your bullshit, you conveniently ignored Zoroastrian Persia. Again.

The plague is transmitted by flea from rodents. Only in truly filthy living conditions such a disease could be so deadly.

The plague's devastation affected Europe the most.

Heh, women hold all the cards, don't they? They torment us even at birth.

I admit that the health care in the middle ages was worst than in future times, but it was much better than we imagine, don't believe how the movies portray this age, because it's in all cases false.

About the short lifespan, it was mostly because of the amount of wars, there were cases of people living till their 70s or people dying with 40ish

>Mutilating oneself to impress women
Next you'll be cutting it off and calling yourself Chelsea.

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Heres a good video on the dark ages by PragerU

As I remember, before hunger there were some really shitty years (for farming) so many people were starving so people had low immunity and it was one of the reasons why so many died

cheers, will watch

so i guess it proves that Poland used to be most advanced nation

It's not so much the lifespan but infant and childhood mortality. If you could live till you're 16 you'd live to be old basically save a very bad plague or war.

Mate, they were still throwing shit into the streets in Victorian era London and bathing once a year.

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Those women can just get fucked then can't they? Who cares what a few slags think.

No point hating yourself, but I would implore you not to do it to your kids if you have any.

The starvation came after, due to the plague killing the peasants that worked the land in the first place. The laborer shortage increased the workload on the survivors of the plague, kickstarting the era of peasant revolts. All in all, it took 200 years until it could be said that Europe had recovered.

>Is this really true?
Not in the way they like to claim. No one's really clear on what happened with the fall of Rome in the West. It's probably more accurate to say that the imperial power dissolved, and the sub-imperial units were not strong enough for one to achieve imperial status. With the breakdown of the trade networks, insularity was encouraged. This was further driven by the Arabs closing off the Mediterranean to Christianity. Arab fleets stopped seaborne trade in the south, severing ancient trade links and reducing Europe to an agricultural and militaristic economy. North Africa was gradually detached in a political, commercial, and economic sense from the Mediterranean sphere it had been part of since the Punic Wars. The Islamic blockade of Western Europe began to end with the decline of Islamic naval power in the twelfth century, around the time of the Crusades and the re-establishment of trade routes, and the Shi'ite Fatimid dynasty in Egypt's decision to improve relationships with non-Muslims. The Arabs were for centuries an imperial power - they took over the administration of the territories they conquered and absorbed elements of their laws and science. Life under the Arabs was never purely Arabian or Islamic, and there were always plenty of non-Arabs and non-Muslims.

There was no great humanitarian push by the Muslims to uplift Europe. Generally, you should take SJW opinions on anything to do with Europe and Islam with a grain of salt, especially the Crusades. The Crusades were nothing like as destructive as the Mongol and Turkish invasions.

Europe was just about as backwater as anywhere else at that time (excluding SSA, Oceania, North America - they were even more barbaric) . Arabia may have had A FEW scientific advances more than Europeans did but it wasn't anything that revolutionary. Thank god there were some monks who were able to preserve our understandings and philosophies of Ancient Rome/Greece/Persia/Egypt/Middle East however.

Now, that being said, there is a theory that the sort of pre-eugenics Europeans committed (the killing their most violent criminals, something that pretty much no other culture did at the time) near the end of the Dark Ages is what started grinding the gears of the market, which snowballed into the greatest period of invention, innovation and scientific breakthrough that the world has ever seen. While the Arabians may have (again, MAY have, as the exact details are fuzzy) had a slight technological edge in the Dark Ages, they were thoroughly BTFO the second that the Renaissance began.

>Jew infested Poland left untouched

Not even the plague itself wants to have any common business with kikes, you literally can't make this shit up.

>Was Medieval Europe really that bad?
It really wasn't, unless you were a woman.

"Dark Ages" was a meme some Italian wanker came up with. He said there was light under the Roman empire, and with the Italy at the center of the Renaissance there was light again, and the part in between was a "dark age".

What? if you were 16 you would have 1/2 to 3/4 of live ahead, hell, they where cases of kings and nobles reaching 70 years, we can really just assume the peasants lifespan, but they didn't live a life that short, it's just ridiculous

Poland was mostly spared from the plague (still lost 25% of its population) due to several factors
>Isolation
Poland was away from the busy trade routes of Europe, which made quarantining the borders much easier
>Sparse population
Poland was particularly rural, even for medieval standards, which means that there weren't any big cities or great concentrations of people on the country, limiting the spread of the disease
>No merchant class
They're the ones that brought the plague to Europe in the first place, and Poland's lack of them meant that there wasn't many chances for the disease to spread.

This is the best explanation

lmao the absolute state of burgers