Can we talk about this movement for a second? it's plausible this started due to our current political climate...

can we talk about this movement for a second? it's plausible this started due to our current political climate, but we need another one. this movement is way too reactionary and beta. why don't we start something that is actually proactive and revolves around the idea 'we will not bow down to women and will die our feet than live on our knees' rather than some movement about running away from any responsibility?

as in, we are seeking women who fit our standards (standards that have more to do with values than beauty) and we will not bow down to anything else

MGTOW is about not bowing to women and living on your feet. I dont see any other responsibility that a man has.

but it is though. because it's all reactionary to how women have become.

You need to elaborate.

>can we talk about this movement for a second?

we talk about it all the time, its a good thing to dio, but to each their own, the reasons for it are sound, and all the arguments against it are shaming men to "man up" and "be manly" and sacrifice themselves to a society that hates them.

Autists on the internet that can't get a gf and wank off to porn all day don't constitute a movement.

It's called getting pic related invented

Pretty much. This guy implies that men should either die on their feet or live on their knees. He is mad because mgtow tells men to live on their feet. He starts muttering something about responsibilities and thats it.

Id say someone just attempted mass murder/enslavement. I cant kill them for it in this society. How do I destroy this society? Oh yea. I keep going MGTOW.

>He starts muttering something about responsibilities


thats what they all do, no shortage of people willing to tell you how to live your life

They actually do if there's an ideology behind...

He's a brainlet that thinks reacting to something = bowing to it

leave him and his 8 brain cells alond

Men are leaders in the family. It's up to you to lead your wife and children to a good life user. To lead you have to live a good life yourself. No woman, or any other person for that matter, is going to respect the leadership of a lowlife who won't get it together. Let yourself go through life as a piece of shit, and you'll get nothing but shitty results. Lead your life and those in your life to betterment and good things will follow.

the entire concept is around how women have become insufferable. men should have always been going their own way to begin with, that is my argument, not "we are NOW going our own way."

women will gravitate towards men if you are strong in your convictions.

>Cries that no one takes up made up responsibilities anymore
>Men should have always been going their own way

Try again with your backtracking failed mass murderer/enslaver.

pic related is the definition of MGTOW on the website.
Its 100% about personal sovereignty and doesn't mention women at all.

MGTOWs are mostly divorced older men

Woman must not become entitled to male attention. The minute we allow as much, we've already lost the battle of the sexes.

Women are the gatekeepers of human reproduction. That alone already gives them an incredible leverage over the male psyche. If we allow sperm-spilling forms of sexual gratification to substitute for that, than we shall have nothing. Nothing but our wife's son to be legally and financially responsible for.

Sometimes, rising to the level of a leader entails rejecting mandatory submission.

That's what MGTOW really is.

Including submission to leadership position. ill be the judge of my position not you.

Hating all women is bluepill
Hating only white roasties is the redpill

MGTOW is about improving yourself more than anything else. Extremely bitter faggots made it into only hating women.