“Since the Soviet Union crumbled, people have been trying to say communism is the same as Nazism...They want communism to be considered genocide and [some countries] criminalized denying it. And then, if communism is genocide, and there were Jewish communists, then Jews committed genocide. This is their way of undermining the Shoa and their participation in it,” Zuroff explained.
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> (unproven) : A Polish peasant kills a Jew to steal his gold
Oy vey! Shoah! Genocide! Polish death camps! Whole Polish nation is complicit! Pay 100 bln dollar of reparaptions in property!
> (proven) : 37% of communist functionaries in the stalinist Poland's Ministry of Public Security are Jews, they execute and oppress hundreds of thousands of Poles
What's your problem, goy? Communism is not as bad as nazism! Stop being antisemitic!
> only we are allowed to cry about genocide goyim
communists saved Poles from being exterminated by Nazis, and from pre-war fascist regime
These two things don't need to exclude each other. Soviets destroyed nazis on the territory of Poland but they installed their own system that was genocidal as well : of course not in such a big scale like nazi occupation, but still... Why should Jews be given abolition for killing tens of thousands of innocent Poles whose only "guilt" was that the soviet regime considered them as enemy? They were killing really valuable people such as Witold Pilecki who alerted the world about the Holocaust, not nazi collaborants. We still could sue some Jews living in Israel for crimes against humanity because some of those who were killing people here are still alive.
Jesus Christ man I was trolling
I agree
though calling communist government in Poland "genocidal" is too much
word "genocide" is used too lightly today
>agreeing to ally with Germany, trade with them and have your secret police agency meet up, carve up Europe together and establish horrible oppressive regimes
>it's fine because one of them beat the other later
It was murderous with a touch of rape on the side. USSR was definitely genocidal though especially during the 30s purges when they targeted specific nationalities.
This. It is worth of reminding that soviets acted just like nazis during Purge. They were killing people only on the basis of their nationality. This way they killed more than 100.000 people only because of their Polish roots/surnames
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How is it better than what nazis did? The same shit...
this is a means of getting out of paying poland what it owes (germany, eu) right?
you even had NKVD-SS conferences
but irregardless Soviets never really destroyed some ethnic group or planned to do so
they did persecute minorities like Poles and Caucasians and Tatars (last two got what they asked for)
Nazis were just horrible on another level though
Poland no! Master is angry with you. Do not make the master angry!
The Polish government should cut the B.S. and air this video on national tv.
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>mk shmuly
found my new dj name
>This. It is worth of reminding that soviets acted just like nazis during Purge.
Not 'just like"....way worse.
OY VEEEYYY
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>> (proven) : 37% of communist functionaries in the stalinist Poland's Ministry of Public Security are Jews, they execute and oppress hundreds of thousands of Poles
SHUUUSH GOY!
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murderous yes, and Polish Operation was a mini-genocide
but that wasn't their policy and core of ideology, that's my point
it's important to draw a line, even though commies should be condemned too (and sent to the dustbin of history)
show me source for that quote
I don't claim that nazism and communism are the same. That's what these Jews from Knesset lie about. I only say that crimes committed by Jews in Poland shouldn't be justified only because nazism was more genocidal. It is some kind of absurd.
>show me source for that quote
There is a lot of documents proving Jewish rules over Poland during stalinism. Legal documents. We have hundreds of thousands of them in our archives, but you can find interesting things even on CIA site.
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I'm pretty depressed and irritable because of this. People will forget about it I hope but it must really suck for the veterans that they lived to see free Poland only to see the entire nation accused of something. And I don't even like the bill for the same reasons I don't like others that are about "wrong opinions" but I feel like it revealed the poor knowledge about history not just in Israel but everywhere. Of course many Israeli politicians also supported Poland on this in 2016 and now they pretend they knew nothing about it. Isn't it the election year for them?
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Help us Finkelstein.
That article gave me aids. The fucking audacity of these filthy kikes.....only they can suffer. Only their pain matters. They are a blight on the planet.
That's because of this:
We want to nationalize property worth 250 bln dollar to avoid giving it to Jews. Jews want some of it, or maybe even most.
GSNT, Europa .. also some others
I believe you could make a point about motivation
Jewish communists weren't motivated by some Jewish nationalism or religion, but purely by communism
tho I personally feel that despite the fact Polish collaboration did occur, pinning the blame on Polish people is incredibly ridiculous and I have no idea what are they trying to accomplish here
Russians did far more shit to Jews before WW1, yet I don't see them mention that
if anything compared to how they fared in the rest of Europe, Jews had it great in Poland
Jews are fucking insane. How we can denial holocaust. We finance and secure this
fucking Auschwitz bullshit. Every year thousands jewish kids visit camp museum.
They want a war with us. They will get one.
Murderous With a Touch of Rape sounds like a name for a color you paint your torture basement with
>Jewish communists weren't motivated by some Jewish nationalism or religion, but purely by communism
They were often motivated by Jewish nationalism and their hatred for catholic people, including Poles. They used communism only as a tool to increase their power over goyim.
The Polish government was the most pro-Zionist government in the world prior to the German invasion.
I mean Solzhenitsyn quote
Solzhenitsyn wasn't anti-Semitic and he never claimed communism is Jewish
he just pointed out many Jews participated, but he never pretended that majority of Bolsheviks in Russia weren't ethnic Russians
NKVD did Babi Yar. Those corpses were not Jews, they were Ukrainians.
Poland in years 1945-1968 was exceptional. Percent of Jews in Poland was around 1% but they were overrepresented in structures of power even up to 70% in some cases.
>Not 'just like"....way worse.
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>The Polish government was the most pro-Zionist government
they had a lot of jews so ofcourse they were
don't know about Poland (didn't read much on communism there), but in Russia they persecuted organized Judaism as much as they persecuted Christianity
communists hate organized religion, mostly
In 1934, Poland was home to 40,000 of Betar's 70,000 members.[8] Routine Betar activities in Warsaw included military drilling, instruction in Hebrew, and encouragement to learn English. Militia groups organized by Betar Poland helped to defend against attacks by the anti-Semitic ONR.[9] The interwar Polish government helped Betar with military training.[10] Some members admired the Polish nationalist camp and imitated some of its aspects.[11]
they are trying to guilt trip and shame you for being nationalistic. They are against Poles taking their own side and doing what is best for Poles. They are trying to manipulate and force Poland to accept mass invasion of non-whites into their country.
Tell the jews to fuck off. Seize the wealth of those campaigning for this, arrest activists and execute the traitors enabling the propaganda
lol, no
They were trained and supplied by the Polish government.
>Communist class based genocide is not as bad as racial Nazi genocide
>Communists kill many more people
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True. There's a different quote that is a little more convincing but people from countries far away from the former USSR misunderstand it thinking he meant "Jews were behind Bolsheviks" while he really meant "Bolsheviks didn't believe in the notion of nations".
But that quote is also pretty fake its only source was some guy from stromfront or something who said that Solzhenitsyn did an interview with him.
Here's a real one.
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>execute the traitors enabling the propaganda
They seem pretty good doing it on their own.
there's no such thing as ''class based genocide''
it just doesn't exist under legal definition of genocide
criminal actions sure, but not a genocide
genocide is not a synonym for mass crimes
you are an apologist for jewish supremacy and the dispossession of whites. None of your arguments should be taken in good faith. Apparently the evils committed by the communists and jews don't matter, what an absurd and evil notion. Kill yourself
>implying Jewishness is only based on religion
What exactly has Communism got to do with your Roman Catholic leaders for 200 years where not a single one was non-Catholic?
Jesus was a Jew, Saint Peter was a Jew and Catholicism is a Jewish religion. Communists didn't had a single Catholic, since they banned religion from politics, you couldn't be a politician if you were religious. Judaism is a religion. Zionism of Catholic religion claims Jews are a race to enable Israel as land of Jewish people(race).
Apart from assimilated Jews there were two main groups: left wing and right wing. The right wing Jews were huge fans of Polish marshal Piłsudski and modeled their military organizations after his. Polish government was even training them I think but I don't know if they were arming them too. Those groups were later fighting against the British in Palestine. During the Ghetto Uprising they hoisted the flag of their organization next to the Polish one and fought harder than the left wing organizations which is why they almost died to a man.
>a holakaust distortion problem
no, chayim. the entire world has a "hollycost distortion problem"
I'm gonna enjoy this shitstorm. I hope we will pass the bill and Israel will accuse us of denying holocaust. We need to send their diplomats off and suspend relations with their terrorist state.
>there's no such thing as ''class based genocide''
that's not true, partially because class is often a proxxy for ethnic groups. Which is the case of the Kulaks and other examples
if anything he argued that both Russians and Jews owe apologies to each other for their actions
retarded stormshits try to make him into some Nazi sympathizer
>you are an apologist for jewish supremacy
no
>and the dispossession of whites
no
>Apparently the evils committed by the communists and jews don't matter
there are Jewish crimes, and communist crimes
these two are not the same things
it's not
but communist Jews persecuted organized Judaism as much as they persecuted Christianity
what part of ''communists hate organized religion'' do you not get?
they blew up synagogues and shot rabbis just like how they blew up churches and shot priests
or mosques
or imams
whether their Jewish origin has some impact on that, I personally believe it does, but to say they were some Jewish supremacists is absolute bullshit
>Talmudic Reasoning Intensifies
>Genocide is intentional action to destroy a people (usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group) in whole or in part.
Jewish commissars and their goy goons slaughtered the Russian nobility and bourgeois wherever they found them. Also they slaughtered many minority groups like the Cossacks and Chechens and shipped them to Siberia. Sure not all died, but neither did all Jews
>We need to send their diplomats off and suspend relations with their terrorist state
No we don't. We keep on keepin on until they realize we're not budging. Ending the neocolonial era is not about isolation, it's about fighting for what's ours.
>britbong education
I am glad that the shit hits the fan. The world needs a serious discussion about Jewish complicity in soviet crimes and more research on Jewish collaboration with nazis that was condition sine qua non of the Holocaust. Death camps were mostly Jewish-German: Jews were main victim in them, but also Jews operated the machine of Holocaust by working as kapo and in the sonderkommando groups. The process was enforced by soviet POWs (so called Trawniki men - mostly Ukrainians) and of course Germans/Austrians. Jews were transported to death camps from hundreds of ghettos organized by Germans after 1939: these ghettos were managed and ruled by insitutionalized collaborants from Jewish Councils (Judenraete). The Jewish ghetto police was their tool to keep Jews in order, and the same Jewish police was used to push all these Jews into trains going to death camps. That's the historical truth. If we turn history into fairy tale, the future doesn't have any sense either.
>doesn't even know his own degenerate history of supporting Zionists
Give me proof of communist Jews destroying synagogues and shooting rabbis
That's BS. The Polish government was very weary and critical of the Jewish diaspora in Poland.
After Piłsudski's death the new generation of Sanacja leaders was allowed more nationalistic leaders to come forth but the law that allowed certain universities to have special benches for the Jews can't be equaled with actual anti-jewish policies like the Nuremberg laws. Piłsudski was still linked with certain Jewish activists especially those who were conservative like Zeev Jabotinsky.
Polish leaders were Roman Catholic, still are today. Nazis didn't collaborate with Soviets in genocide.
>there are Jewish crimes, and communist crimes
they are not that seperate, when the NKVD is overwhelmingly jewish the action of NKVD is that of an ethnic group. You deny the influence of jews within the movements and downplay the severity of the atrocities. You are an apologist for jewish supremacy
Is that why they were giving them military training and weapons?
Nazis and Communists were adherents to the same Socialist religion. This isn't "muh horse shoe theory." They're different denominations of the same fucked up religion. Like Protestants and Catholics or Sunnis and Shias, they're essentially the same thing that went to war over what amount to ecclesiastical differences that were basically an excuse to go to war.
>b-but Israel is BASED! They kill Arabs!!
about time we can get back to hating zionism
They kind of did though. Gestapo took a lot of ideas from NKVD and USSR sent some prisoners to Germany as a "gift".
Yes, I'm not interested in delusions of british retards.
> Over 300 British professors signed an anti-ghetto bench manifesto.
Why are British such jewish bitches?
>there is a poster in polish
>it's the goverment
>Polish leaders were Roman Catholic, still are today. Nazis didn't collaborate with Soviets in genocide.
I don't understand what you mean by mentioning these things. Second sentence is not true. Nazis and soviets tightly cooperated in annihilating Polish intellectual and political elite in years 1939-1941. Gestapo and NKWD were exchanging informations. That's why Germans found the mass grave in Katyn so easily because they knew about this genocide from soviets themselves from times of their Ribbentrop-Molotov alliance.
I'm an ashkenazi Jew and even I agree with this...
>muh shitty historical analogy
Found the Burger
Nonsense, Poland had Jewish streets, Jewish schools and so on. Hitler just had to walk into that street and everybody was Jewish there.
>picture related Zionist school in Braslav
Typie into YouTube Yavne school and you will find they now have them in Netherlands and elsewhere, like this video:
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It's interesting to see moderate conservative political commentators in Poland to change their opinions on Israel (by their own admission).
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So you're calling us "Jewish bitches" when your own goverment was actively training and funding Zionist paramilitaries to take over British Palestine...
Do you not realise how retarded you sound?
>but the law that allowed certain universities to have special benches for the Jews can't be equaled with actual anti-jewish policies like the Nuremberg laws.
So? It shows we weren't exactly good goys like Brits.
addition: Contrast how rigged you thinking on jewish power and influence is with white privilege theory. A theory that is extremely loose and fluid in it definitions and applications, yet which marxists refuse to apply to jews (or say is valid for them). The double standard you apply is quite distinct, and with a common theme running through it
> Jews were transported to death camps from hundreds of ghettos organized by Germans after 1939
I doubt it. The camps were "restored" after the war in the late 40's. We should debunk this hoax and help our brethren to shake off the guilt yoke. If we don't unite agains our common enemy then next generations will not forgive us.
Yeah Poland was pretty Jewish. Interestingly not a lot of Jews in the Polish elite as far as minorities are concerned there were far more Polish-Germans.
As for Jews Artur Rubinstein deserves a special mention for his bit during the openin session of the United Nations. Something that seems very telling in present situation.
HEY YOU !!! POLISH BOY!!!! COME OVER HERE!!! WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY !?!?!?!?!?!?
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That deserves an oy vey.
Because they aided immigration of polish jews to Palestine, you retard. I wouldn't expect Rothshild flunkie to understand such nuances.
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>training and funding Zionist paramilitaries to take over British Palestine...
"Fine with me as long as they leave Poland" was a popular Polish sentiment.
ja pierdole, no co za kanalie.
ok so say it's true that the majority of high officials were jewish during a genocide, why does it matter?
i thought you guys didn't want to be guilted for slavery and colonialism but suddenly you'll guilt jews? you're like niggers
Pacz na to...
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NOSZ KUWRA!!!
Kapo always gets excused in the movies. It's been ages since I saw The Pianist but I think in that one they're basically happy they may actually help their fellow Jews by keeping order.
IT WAS AN OFFICIAL POLISH GOVERNMENT POSTER FROM 1919 IDIOT
To the right winger Zionists who wanted to leave Poland to build a Jewish homeland - win win situation.
>Nonsense
WHAT NONSENSE?
>Poland had Jewish streets, Jewish schools and so on.
SO WHAT you fucktard? That doesn't invalidate what I said???
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Mam nadzieje, ze przestaniemy uznawac to zbrodnicze panstwo na arenie miedzynarodowej.
The fact that 100% of management in Auschwitz were Germans means nothing either, i guess, because it was a genocide committed by aliens from the outer space called "nazis" who arrived on Earth from the Nazi-Planet
But weren't polish death camps mostly staffed and run by Germans?
I mean, the majority of folks that died in those places were mostly polish citizens.
screencap this, 20 years from now, western press will blame Poles for communism Stalin Holodomor etc
>polish death camps
gtfo troll
Polish state had nothing to do with those camps and how they operated other than the fact that their conquered territory was used for this purpose but this is politics. Anti-polonism is easy as our lobby has nothing against their own.
Why would they want to do this? The West is pretty communist itself ;)
go fck urself
It's kinda ironic, the very same logic Jews go on to blame poles for the holocaust can be levied at Jews who participated in Communist genocides.
there were no death camps in the first place
it is an industry that allows these leeches to suck money from Germany and other countries.
you misunderstand me
by polish death camps I meant that they were situated in poland, not actually nationally polish