Did the dark ages really exist or is just a meme?

Did the dark ages really exist or is just a meme?

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Dark ages are dubbed so for two reasons.
1. not a great deal of writings out of this area
2. Christianity was in a lull/standstill and re birthed with Charlemagne

both go hand in hand in a lot of ways

Dark ages was 8 years of Obama

meme
They are considered dark if you consider only Greco-Roman ways "civilized" - pic related explains it well

My [spoiler]art history professor[/spoiler] told us the Dark Ages were a wonderful period for women where they shared in the responsibilities of cities and were actually treated like equals.

The Renaissance by contrast was the real Dark Age where women had few rights and only men were the ones going out accomplishing things.

Made me audibly say "huh".

Existed

almost all inventions in the middle ages were already made by greeks and romans

Utter meme.

Your art history professor sounds like a dumb whore

not really, while the dark ages were happening in Europe the Islamic and Asian empires were flourishing and building up knowledge by preserving ancient roman and Greek writings and teachings, which would then be used by the Europeans to kick off the renaissance.

So what is the proper term then?
Medieval?

>women have more power
>progress stagnates
Sounds about right.

It's possibly Jew-related so it's Sup Forums-tier.

>art history professor sounds like a dumb whore
My art history teacher once said to the class that Shakespeare wasn't an anti-semite

>women being treated as equals at large before the 1980's
Your art history professor is a dumb cunt.

No, with the fall of western Rome came the Renaissance.

Sounds like your history professor and his history professor should get together and go bowling

There was no "dark" age. Even Jewish historians don't use this retarded term. Middle Ages.

>picture of Newton

lol

>not really, while the dark ages were happening in Europe the Islamic and Asian empires were flourishing and building up knowledge by preserving ancient roman and Greek writings and teachings, which would then be used by the Europeans to kick off the renaissance.

Islam only got those writings because they were attacking and taking over parts of the Roman Empire which were preserving and studying them. The Hellenic great works were translated into Arabic by Christian Syriacs.

>Islamic and Asian empires were flourishing and building up knowledge by preserving ancient roman and Greek writings and teachings
I didn't know Byzantium was in Asia

the life expectancy being awful is literally because of infant mortality. if you discount that it wasn't so bad. on average people had a lot more free time and holidays/festivals compared to now.

knights were actually violent sociopaths though chivalry is just basically rules of war

>So what is the proper term then?
>Medieval?

The "Dark Ages" are now called the Early Middle Ages. There were formerly called the "Dark Ages" because there is less written content about the time that has survived. There was still writing going on at the time though. Like from Venerable Bede or in the court of Charlemagne.

the "dark ages" was the Byzantine Empire, which was a Christian empire that lasted for 12 centuries (one of the longest lasting in human history) and it managed to survive that long because it was explicitly anti-Jewish. That is also why the Jews write it off as "the dark ages".

meme, the middle age was aight

They did exist, but they weren't like the popculture image of le evil christian priests burning innocent women and scientists.

>rules of chivalry
>can't just plain rape her
>if she has a guy with her and you kill him it's now fine to rape her
there's a meme where peasant women were treated better because of their equal share in the labour. that's pure speculation though.

yeah that's true, but if the writings had remained in places like Byzantium, which was later sacked by fellow Christians in the 4th crusade, they may have been lost to history.

>I didn't know Byzantium was in Asia

Byzantium was simply called the Roman Imperium, and it encompassed the Balkans, Anatolia, the Levant, Northern Africa and parts of Italy.

Fpbp

lol

Fuck off. Cunts like you always show up wanting to redirect a potentially comfy thread. Not enough BLACKED and sexbot threads for you?

I can say that the dark age did exist after the library of alexandrea burnt down. As The smarter poster on this forum, I can say with absolute certainty that the death of ney nrutrality will invoke a second fark age.

>meme, the middle age was aight

The "Dark Ages" are now called the Early Middle Ages. The rest of the Middles Ages following the "Dark Ages" are the High Middle Ages and the Late Middle Ages. The entire period of the Middle Ages is around 1000 years long.

>his user is commie who visits pol
My condolences

Nah I was baiting earlier and forgot to take the memeflag off

its called the dark ages because noone wrote down what the fuck was happening.
its "dark" to historians.
so yes they existed.
are they like what people say? How the fuck can anyone know?

hmmmmm

kikes made those "dark ages" up so they could sprinkle a few dozen of shoas and pogroms into european history to make whites pay more

>its "dark" to historians.
>so yes they existed.

That term is outdated and made up by old-timey people with way too much of a hard-on for Egypt and Classical Hellas.

simpleton

My brain says no but my tinfoil says yes
For a time with not alot being recorded every expulsion of Jews is noted

its literally a meme
historians now call it the early middle ages because "dark ages" was stupid since we actually do have plenty of history of that time now

Proof?

Also, how did writings during this era disappear despite surviving strong for 12 centuries?

Nigga, if its dark, you cant see it. Everyone knows that seeing is believing, so if you can see it, they didnt exist.

Unemployment goes from 11% to 4.9%. Stock market went from 6,500 to 20,000. USA car manufactures go from bankrupt to alive. Banks survive and people don't lose their life savings all under Obama after he took large steps to get things going in the right direction and conservatives don't want to give any credit. Trump literally does nothing and everything continues going in the same direction that Obama steered it in and conservatives go ape shit that Trump is somehow the cause.

He's spending 1.5 trillion dollars. Are we getting education with that money? We getting healthcare? Nah, CEOs are getting their 4th Yacht.

Why are conservatives such pawns? PAWNS PAWNS PAWNS.

*so if you cant see it

The idea of an dark age is quite nonsensical according to day scientists. The major problem is that we have about 200 years were little history was recorded in most of Western Europe after the fall of West Rome. It would also demonstrate that due to the fall of Rome and the barbaric invasions, Europe as a whole (mostly West Rome, East Rome lived on well), todays Italy, France, Spain and England lost all fundation of governance ad had to rebuild or start from scratch. While they were doing this they didn´t have much time recording history.
We do have history but it´s pretty fragmented, but still a good read

>tl:dr
No, it´s a history collecting thing.

Not as dark as they are depicted in (((media))) (muh no teeth peasant shitting in the street while a violent knight who never showers comes to racket a peasant of his wheat), but still a setback of millenia compared to the roman empire.

It's a myth entirely. Propagated by the humanists of the "enlightenment" who didn't actually achieve anything, but wanted to make themselves look great by denigrating everyone who came before.
>be early medieval Europe
>warmest since the minoans
>food is plentiful
>3 day working week
>Grow grapes in Scotland
>no more imperial taxes
>universities are getting founded
>slavery has ended
>inventions like water wheels, wind mills, blast furnaces, and cranes make productivity the highest it's been since the Phoenicians
>Get called "dark"

They wrote on vellum, which is expensive, and so re-used it.

>Dark ages are dubbed
fucking dropped

The dark ages existed but it mainly affected the western roman empire. Byzantium, on the other hand, flourished.

meme

The Dark Ages are here and now.

Who cares if they happened. Being able to travel on horseback wearing your shiny armor through an open country slaughtering bandits and thieves and taking women for your own with no one to answer to sounds pretty cozy to me.

It's really a meme.

>Did the dark ages really exist or is just a meme?

The dark ages definitely existed. Civilisation went into a drastic decline after the fall of the Western Empire.

mostly a meme. Very warm climate so great for growing food, life expectancy was longer, european nations ethnogenesis occured in this time too. Carolingian renaissance and the birth of a form of proto humanism happened as well. So basically its enlightenment era propaganda that makes it get called dark

>mostly a meme. Very warm climate so great for growing food, life expectancy was longer, european nations ethnogenesis occured in this time too.

This is false, the climate became colder during the dark ages. in general the quality of life for people drastically declined as the archeological record shows.

Any weapons fags here? Cold Steel makes some good quality historical interpretations for cheap
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For example it was 1,000 years before pottery of a quality commonplace during the Roman era was produced again

meme as fuck

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
Da da da. People used to make wine in sweden and england. They also used to live longer as the records show.... So I dont know where you are getting your data from

QoL has nothing to do with pottery, ultimately fancy pottery requires lots of specialisation of labour, which wasnt possible under the dark ages. This wasnt because everything was terrible, but because communities became more local and global trade decreased.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

yes thats not what i would define as the Dark ages.

by about 1000 AD recovery had started.

>QoL has nothing to do with pottery,

It has everything to do with consumer goods of which pottery was a major one

It started much much earlier, as it evident by the creation of complex states with efficient tax collection and standing armies or navies

QoL has nothing to do with consumer goods, but instead Life Expectancy. Better QoL means longer lives

>It started much much earlier, as it evident by the creation of complex states with efficient tax collection and standing armies or navies

Name a complex state that existed in western europe in 600 AD

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy
Writing was in full swing in scandinavia in the 700s as well

>QoL has nothing to do with consumer goods, but instead Life Expectancy. Better QoL means longer lives

Quality of life includes access to goods.

I am not using a medical term.

well thats what historians use so you might wanna get a different definition

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francia

what bullshit. by any measure France was far less wealthy and sophisticated than during the Roman era

>well thats what historians use so you might wanna get a different definition

no they fucking dont. doctors use your definition not historians.

no historians do. Because hgih life expectancy means
low stress
surplus of food
peace

of course because rome was a literal empire and francia was a germanic kingdom, however things werent shit and society was complex

>no historians do.

no they fucking dont. historians do not define quality of life as meaning only life expectancy.

doctors do.

wikiped
Quality of life (QOL) is the general well-being of individuals and societies, outlining negative and positive features of life. It observes life satisfaction, including everything from physical health, family, education, employment, wealth, religious beliefs, finance and the environment.

Nothing about access to consumer goods or trade

>of course because rome was a literal empire and francia was a germanic kingdom, however things werent shit and society was complex

things were totally shit. literacy declined drastically, cities collapsed, aqueducts and sewage systems fell out of use, imports of things like olive oil ceased, population declined and forests took over former farmland.

>Quality of life (QOL) is the general well-being of individuals and societies,

which includes access to consumer good among other things, fuckhead.

Dark Ages are a meme by retards that don't know about the Byzantium empire.

>Dark Ages are a meme by retards that don't know about the Byzantium empire.

I do know. im talking about Western Europe, mongboy.

However literacy increased again by 800, the collapse of cities meant diseases were scarcer
The sewage systems fell out of use because people moved to the country again, population increased again a couple of centuries after
> imports of things like olive oil ceased
Oh shit its game over
It doesnt say that on the article. It says >everything from physical health, family, education, employment, wealth, religious beliefs, finance and the environment.
Nothing about trade or consumer goods

you are talking alot of shit. Example.
>imports of things like olive oil ceased

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesis

>However literacy increased again by 800, the collapse of cities meant diseases were scarcer

Right yeah, im sure access to books and libraries was widespread.

what you mean is the occasional monk was taught to read.

>It doesnt say that on the article. It says >everything from physical health, family, education, employment, wealth, religious beliefs, finance and the environment.
>Nothing about trade or consumer goods

Trust me retard boy, historians and archeologists regard access to and quality of consumer goods as a very important measure.

not to mention agriculture became far more efficient with the invention of the horse shoe, three field system, heavy plow and water mill. And more food = happier and longer lives

I do history, and they dont

>you are talking alot of shit. Example.
>>imports of things like olive oil ceased

They did. Problem with the statement?

>not to mention agriculture became far more efficient with the invention of the horse shoe, three field system, heavy plow and water mill

you're suggesting crop rotation was invented shortly after the fall of the Western Empire?

alot less plagues as well.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-field_system
You fucking tell me

Olive Oil production was centered on the Levant which came under Muslim control. Ergo this is not a European problem.

BUT THE CONSUMER GOODS XDDDD

pls mods, redirect this thread for the love of god the mighty kek

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-field_system
>You fucking tell me

The three-field system is a regime of crop rotation that was used in MEDIEAVAL AND EARLY-MODERN EUROPE

You dumb fuck. do you not understand that medieval period was centuries after the Dark Ages?

>Olive Oil production was centered on the Levant which came under Muslim control. Ergo this is not a European problem.

No it wasnt, it was centred on North Africa and Spain as well as places like Syria.

Imports from everywhere ceased.

It existed prior to the death of Charlemagne in 814
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_rotation#Two-field_system

>Olive Oil production was centered on the Levant which came under Muslim control. Ergo this is not a European problem.

by the way the Muslims didnt come along until fairly late in the Dark Ages. You really are an uneducated moron.

>by the way the Muslims didnt come along until fairly late in the Dark Ages. You really are an uneducated moron.

Nigga when do you think the dark ages started and ended?

>It existed prior to the death of Charlemagne in 814
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_rotation#Two-field_system

yes, that already existed from 6,000 AD numbnuts.