Jordan Peterson recently roasted all of you right wing nazis on this forum. His general point was this:
The left see the world as a battleground of different groups. There are winners and losers, and the winners oppress the loser. The left wants all the groups to be equal and the winners to not oppress the losers.
The right see the world the same way. They say that their white group is the best so they play this game and want to dominate all the other groups. White people are racially superior and are born with the genetic gift of being the dominant and winning race.
JBP says the following: The whole game is wrong. We should be only concerned with ourselves as individuals. The left and the right both have the wrong fundamentals and that is the belief in racial and group identity. We need to move from tribalism to individualism.
I'm an individual white man that makes the collective stronger.
Oliver Gomez
sage
Jace Nguyen
individualism is dying with the boomers
good riddance
Ryan Torres
>The left wants all the groups to be equal You can't force people to be equal
>White people are racially superior and are born with the genetic gift of being the dominant and winning race Exactly. Its only natural for the fittest to survive.
>We should be only concerned with ourselves as individuals This ideology + socialism is causing white genocide.
Henry Moore
Nonwhites don't have individualistic cultures
Alexander Kelly
>the left wants all the groups to be equal and the winners to not oppress the losers lmfao yeah nice try rabbi
Michael Moore
Go improve yourself and stop talking to a group of people
Dominic Richardson
The individualist will be torn apart by an organized collective
Chase Flores
Now see this should be the ideal body, not the "thicc" aka obese peple we see everywhere. Fuck I miss the 90s.
Owen Scott
>The whole game is wrong. We should be Opinion fucking discarded. Reality doesn't give a shit about 'wrongness' or what 'we should be' doing
Nicholas Barnes
>The left wants all the groups to be equal Wrong. So wrong. The Left isn't pro-equality. The Left is made up of a loose conglomeration of different agendas that are all at their heart supremacy organizations. They're shielded by their corps of college students and similarly naive or brainwashed individuals.
It isn't about equality. It's about power. It's about control. And eventually the leadership structure, upon gaining that power, would and will and is backstabbing one another and engaging in ideological warfare.
James Wright
it's okay to eat fish because they have no feelings
Jordan Morris
It's kind of hard for whites not to be collectivistic when all other groups are. You can't just ignore that each group tends to have their own interests.
If we had a homogenous country, you'd be right. But that's not the case.
Julian Robinson
Pretty sure Peterson the type of nigga to google himself
Nathan Cooper
even very recent history proves you wrong
John Torres
Gee, I wonder who could be behind this post >sage
Bentley Edwards
> They say that their white group is the best so they play this game and want to dominate all the other groups.
But we don't, we are saying that we want to live with our own.
Nathaniel Reed
begone 90s kid
Jace Gonzalez
The lefty college activists do genuinely want equality of outcome between groups. They don't understand the level of tyrannical control they would have to laud over the population to achieve it, and how terrible that would make the world to live in. I basically agree with all of you on that
Ayden Turner
>be individualist >everyone else forms groups and start advocating for their own groups >die out th-thanks Peterson at least I died with my room cleaned
Brayden Rodriguez
MAAAXXX FUCCCKIING PAAAR !!
Robert Campbell
Individualism will wind up with white people dominating everything. So people will group up against us and accuse us of discrimination. Might as well get ahead of it.
Jose Lewis
The people you're talking about seem to be the useful idiots. The general naive idealists. Those who believe in a pure cause.
These groups have their strings pulled by very different individuals. The professors who spout the doctrine have an angle. The people who take the stage have an angle. They all have their own direction they want things to go, and the notion of equality is just there to feed off of the naivety to get them more power.
There's always a Stalin. There is ALWAYS a Stalin. At least one. Maybe several. At the end, one.
Lincoln Scott
>The left wants all the groups to be equal and the winners to not oppress the losers. The Left would still oppress losers. We can still have tribalism AND individualism. A Nation of individuals that put their country first. Not hard, but it seems people only want to be all or nothing nowadays.
Bentley Jackson
This. Of course one should be a strong individual, but that's not the game that humanity is or ever has been playing. Group games have always been favored.
Aaron Reyes
If that's what he said, I can agree with everything but the analysis of the left, they want the current losers to oppress the current winners; the average of the right wing ideologies, if anything, are the ones looking towards total equality of opportunity by finding a way to raise the losers up to being among the winners without spoiling them rotten. And then there's the oligarchs, fucking it all up because the infinite game is the only game worth playing, and boy do they not get it.
Zachary Jenkins
>Peterson is basically Sargoy
Benjamin Davis
we've basically been individualistic for the past 50 years and mostly white people have risen to the top of every field.
So to clarify, is your point basically:
Lefties have started to notice that whites are achieving more and are attributing that success to racism rather than genetic gift.
Now you're saying that since people are starting to see how powerful the white man is we have to band together to keep our high place above other groups
Jacob Long
>we are saying that we want to live with our own. It's quite funny that white people wanting to be with their own, to be left alone, and not wanting to have to have support non-whites is considered a supremacist movement.
Angel Kelly
You're actually bringing up something I've realized. I had always been an outspoken big government advocate until I realized the issue.
Big government allows a nation to stagnate. Big government requires absolute power gained through a million steps. And it protects corrupt lower administrators. If decisions come down to local and state level officials, it's far easier to flush out the rotten eggs. It's easier to see people engaging in things if you have these massive networks of conspiracy rather than just having one person who can easily clean house should suspicions arise. The more complicated a conspiracy, the harder it is to conceal.
Letting things come down to small government means that big corporations or interests or subversive powers can't just play for one office to exercise supreme power and get their way. They have to play ten thousand smaller offices and officials and can far more easily get caught with their dick out.
Justin Sanders
Not necessarily "keep our place above other groups", but rather have a country or place overwhelmingly white, without all of the ethnic diversity and multiculturalism.
>Letting things come down to small government means that big corporations or interests or subversive powers can't just play for one office to exercise supreme power and get their way. big government, not small government
Ayden Ortiz
Collective and collectivism are 2 different things. just like individual and individualist. You can have a collective of individualists or individual collectivists.
Xavier Thompson
That picture is the hard truth.
Colton Rodriguez
>on this forum Stopped reading there SAGE YOUR EMU ASS
Ian Reyes
>We should be only concerned with ourselves as individuals. >says what I should do, but not why, lel
>but the whole game is wrong How?
Parker Bennett
>right wing nazi
well ain't that a fine assumption
not sure if bait or not, either way
sage
Xavier Wilson
>cries on camera >takes multiple anti depresssnts >physically weak >cross dresser >tells men to act like men
Why is he such a faggot?
Luke Ramirez
...
Blake Kelly
Why are Stormfags and Commies so triggered by individualists who just want to be left alone?
Joseph Kelly
That sounds about right. Honestly I don't care about being above other groups. But they aren't going to leave us alone. Their lives get better the closer they get to us. I want them out of our nations.
Caleb Ramirez
Because being left alone will mean you’re slaughtered by the herd in a generation or two. We have foresight, you don’t.
Mason Diaz
He's right.
The far left and far right worldviews are completely compatible: they just disagree over who should dominate whom.
Neither worldview is compatible with individualism / classical liberalism.
Logan Cook
individualism is the real meme ideology at least communism or fascism can be achieved.
Luis Taylor
Why is Tribalism bad?
Leo Kelly
there is more variability withing groups then inbetween
Jaxon Anderson
Agreed. Thicc was a meme propagated by the jews to promote fat acceptance.
Jack Flores
>JBP says the following: The whole game is wrong. We should be only concerned with ourselves as individuals. Too bad people aren't wired to act that way, especially non-Europeans.
>The left and the right both have the wrong fundamentals and that is the belief in racial and group identity. These things exist today, existed yesterday and will exist tomorrow. Better to live in reality and accept it.
>We need to move from tribalism to individualism. Good luck with that.
Brody Cooper
Low test Norcuck
Jordan Morgan
>What is your argument against that? People will always form groups and groups will steamroll individuals.
Jason Flores
Race has been shown time and time again to determine who you are as an individual. /Thread
Joshua Lopez
Maybe Jordan thinks the world is like an 80's action movie; with enemies coming at you one at a time.
Its quite plausible to suggest that the nation state was the white persons ingroup. To simplify, we had not got rid of our tribe or suppressed our tribal nature; we had just grown them to be many millions strong and applied the tribal brain circuits to our nations. White people were obviously happy to be individuals within that group when they felt, even if not consciously thought, that their governments actually had their best interests at heart. I am not sure our governments ever did care about their peoples; even if they did, they very clearly no longer do.
Colton Mitchell
Men have a higher variability of height than women but men are still taller
Carson Fisher
>he wants to be left alone to face the herd Top kek, even dogs have this figured out and you don't.
Adam Bailey
Shit doesn't work that way, You can't just ignore the group dynamic. No man is an island.
Ian Myers
He's right about that but a tightly knit community that shares the same culture and values is necessary for individualism to exist in the first place which means nation states are required. A nation state only functions with a homogenous enough population and as such western Europe and North America are doomed to be hellholes.
Dylan Torres
>The right see the world the same way. They say that their white group is the best so they play this game and want to dominate all the other groups. That's the kosher anti-White meme that Peterstein sells, that any White person who doesn't want to be a minority in their own country is a genocidal tyrant who wants to rule of non-Whites.
Which is exactly the same thing the Cultural Marxists say about Whites, by the way.
Jordan B. Peterson is anti-White. He is out for your soul.
Sebastian Perry
REMINDER THAT KEK HAS SPOKEN AND PETERSON IS OUT TO GET YOUR SOUL
Noah Garcia
muh supremacism the difference between me and the kike peterson is I don't want to dominate other groups, just deport we've done individualism to the max, mindless hedonism is the result why can kikes ethnically cleanse but we can't?
John Gutierrez
>JBP says the following: The whole game is wrong. We should be only concerned with ourselves as individuals let me guess. he wants white people to do this first cant he think two moves ahead on the chessboard browns will never relinquish collective racial identity peterson is the definition of an ivory tower nigger
Oliver Richardson
>JBP says the following: The whole game is wrong. We should be only concerned with ourselves as individuals. Then he will lose the game. He should take a break from studying jungian pseudoscience and study game theory instead
Jose Sanchez
Whitey is so ebil and wascist that I can't wait to live in his countries!
Aiden Morgan
Shh now. Do not speak of the JQ. Just pretend that you didn't think for yourself for a second and go clean your room.
Sebastian Cox
>let me guess. he wants white people to do this first Actually he has said he only aims to prevent us from doing it, while simultaneously being a Zionist.
See here:
Landon Barnes
Both his strawmen of the left and right and his individualism are fundamentally wrong. Hyper-Individualism is a lot dumber than any sort of tribalism however; it's essentially the end product of plebs LARPing as aristocrats.
Jeremiah Phillips
This. /thread
Camden Russell
britain has not done "individualism to the max" you have hate speech laws, and businesses cannot discriminate also three to four months of every year are spent just paying taxes to the state
Michael Roberts
I completely agree, but it was always my point that all races should strive to better themselves. It's not about whether white people are better or not, it's that we should strive to make our civilization the best. And so should the sub Saharan African countries, middle eastern, North African, etcetera. For the civilizations to best improve themselves they should not completely overtake or be dependant on others.
I don't want niggers because they'll decrease my civilization instead of increasing their own. And this is not because niggers are inferior, but because they are simply incompatible with my civilization.
Jason Parker
best baito by jewdan peterson
Brody Ross
wasnt hitler a zioinist
Andrew Martin
Tipped my fedora for you, gentleman.
Andrew Carter
>wasnt hitler a zioinist Nope, that's a lie concocted by the jews.
Grayson Gutierrez
>and it's like no >but it's like why? >and the answer isn't obvious at all >and it's like well of course it isn't obvious because if it were obvious then we wouldn't find ourselves in the place that we find ourselves today, which is a place that is not terribly dissimilar from hell >and that's bad >it's like oh
Juan Hernandez
He admits that he lurks his subreddit.
He's forming a cult.
Grayson Reed
Because you are all passive cowards who think they live in a bubble
Zachary Flores
>individualism
This is a meme used to weaken whites. This is why lolbertarians are a joke.
You can be the most empowered, self sufficient, and successful motherfucker on earth. That's not gonna save you if a pack of niggers decide to engage in the most base level of violence against you.
If you're the only one being an "individual" while everyone around you is engaging in collectivism, planning and working as a group, you are going to lose. Whites are LITERALLY the only ones that fall for this Ayn Rand shit. Inb4 some redditor posts a pic the one based black man libertatian.
Josiah Rivera
>we need to go against human nature of tribalism
and with JBP at the helm of this wonderful change in society?
Xavier Robinson
Individuals die. Group is (ideally) eternal.
Camden Reyes
Ethno-nationalism doesn't include the necessity for one ethnicity ruling all. White Dutchmen have the right to a homeland which they can and must defend. By the same token, black Nigerians have the right to a homeland which they can and must defend. So do Sudanese, the Birmese, the Andeans, etc. However they choose to deal with that is their business, but that's where it starts. Could also call it tribal nationhood.
Now what we're seeing in Europe is the deliberate replacement of the local ethnicities with those of Africa. It is our duty to the tribe as Dutchmen, and Germans to the German tribe, etc, to defend that land by any means possible. Violence is the final step to be taken, and if we truly wish to protect our homeland must be avoided until we don't have the right to ignore it any longer.
The ethnic side done for now, let's look at what Peterson argues. >individualism I've noticed that he genuinely believes that if you give all humans the right tools, the equipment they need, they will all become divine individuals in the spirit best embodied by Christianity. Perhaps we don't have the right tools, but we do have that religion. Even back when everyone was a devout Christian following the principles of the Divine Individual, only a few succeeded. Now there can be many causes for it, perhaps IQ for an obvious start. If that's the limiting factor, that people can't rise above the collective as individuals due to insufficient mental capabilities, then the only right tool at our disposal is eugenics. Studies already indicate that IQ can't be nurtured to the degree we like to think, so it has to come from the natural angle.
That does raise a question. Let's say everyone is a divine individual. We're still a social creature, we'd still want our communities and a society. Wouldn't this simply elevate the ability of the collective to a point where rising above it becomes impossible?
James Smith
Thicc...is just for people who cannot get the ideal body either in themselves or their mate. Nobody really likes it...they just pretend to. Even so said pic is a bit too slim...but way better than any thing lardass.
Michael Sanchez
>JBP at the helm Wash your balls young bucko.
Cameron Powell
The solitary individual is nothing. You won't be left alone because you will never leave others alone, no matter how hard you try to distort your perception of reality to believe orherwise.
Samuel Ramirez
peterson has the mental capacity of a teenage boy if he finds this enlightening
Evan Jones
>individualism plus socialism is causing white genocide "We are all equal under God" Even Jesus had a collectivist ideal to follow, and He's generally held as the benchmark for divine individuality.
Jackson Miller
>What is your argument against that? Individualism leads to tribalism with similar individuals.
Lincoln Nguyen
anyone who doesn't get this needs to spend an hour playing agar.io (or almost any multiplayer game)
Carson Harris
individualism only works in majority white high trust societies.
Dylan Fisher
A collective is only as strong as the individual members are, plus the degree of cooperation they can maintain. Without the cooperation there's only chaos. Why else would this humble board of peace that spends most of its time infighting and shitposting be a more effective propaganda machine than the entire US deep state?
Jacob Anderson
Peterson may have just a moment ago come and declared he intend to "eradicate" any Whites who want to collectivize, because it will cause genocide no matter what, according to his jewish logic (same as in OP).
When will Sup Forums realize that Peterstein has declared war on them?
Jaxon Brown
This is the best response. Movie g past tribalism doesn't work because Muslims are highly tribal...blacks...chinese...jews...
Tribes will defeat I individuals every time. Anyone who calls for whites to abandon their tri e while other tri as seek to destroy them is advocating white genocide...knowingly or not.
Wyatt Jenkins
It was funny that in his talk with Ben Shapiro, Ben suddenly started advocating for group identity and that the concept of just getting through life as an individual is just ignorant of all human history when he was defending biological Judaism and their weariness of outsiders.
But white people wanting to live in majority white countries is still evil.
Isaac Rogers
>let me check out your yarmulke
Owen Baker
Those are irrelevant. We live in the most individualistic times in human history where everyone thinks he's a special snowflake ajnd tries to show it off by buying useless shit and where there is no such thing as a duty to your people and future generations
Carter Peterson
Jews are inherently suspicious of non Jewish intellectuals because they don’t share the genetic desire to curtail the goyim, even if their philosophy is Zionist. Thus they subconsciously seek to undermine them.
Thomas Carter
Thats only good, our society would return to normalcy and weed out all the scum if it was allowed to function under natural law. People advocating democracy, communism, freedom of religion, etc would be excludes from the libertarian society, since those ideas go against the individual rights the society exists to protect in the first place.
Dylan Perry
Fpbp
Carson Moore
>pol' SO YOURE SAYING
What's the point of coming to this board?
David Brooks
Just watched One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest again last night.
McMurphy: Do you think it might be possible to turn the music down so maybe a couple of the boys could talk?
Nurse Ratched: That music is for everyone, Mr. McMurphy.