Jordan Peterson recently roasted all of you right wing nazis on this forum. His general point was this:

Jordan Peterson recently roasted all of you right wing nazis on this forum. His general point was this:

The left see the world as a battleground of different groups. There are winners and losers, and the winners oppress the loser. The left wants all the groups to be equal and the winners to not oppress the losers.

The right see the world the same way. They say that their white group is the best so they play this game and want to dominate all the other groups. White people are racially superior and are born with the genetic gift of being the dominant and winning race.

JBP says the following: The whole game is wrong. We should be only concerned with ourselves as individuals. The left and the right both have the wrong fundamentals and that is the belief in racial and group identity. We need to move from tribalism to individualism.

What is your argument against that?

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I'm an individual white man that makes the collective stronger.

sage

individualism is dying with the boomers

good riddance

>The left wants all the groups to be equal
You can't force people to be equal

>White people are racially superior and are born with the genetic gift of being the dominant and winning race
Exactly. Its only natural for the fittest to survive.

>We should be only concerned with ourselves as individuals
This ideology + socialism is causing white genocide.

Nonwhites don't have individualistic cultures

>the left wants all the groups to be equal and the winners to not oppress the losers
lmfao yeah nice try rabbi

Go improve yourself and stop talking to a group of people

The individualist will be torn apart by an organized collective

Now see this should be the ideal body, not the "thicc" aka obese peple we see everywhere. Fuck I miss the 90s.

>The whole game is wrong. We should be
Opinion fucking discarded. Reality doesn't give a shit about 'wrongness' or what 'we should be' doing

>The left wants all the groups to be equal
Wrong. So wrong. The Left isn't pro-equality. The Left is made up of a loose conglomeration of different agendas that are all at their heart supremacy organizations. They're shielded by their corps of college students and similarly naive or brainwashed individuals.

It isn't about equality. It's about power. It's about control. And eventually the leadership structure, upon gaining that power, would and will and is backstabbing one another and engaging in ideological warfare.

it's okay to eat fish because they have no feelings

It's kind of hard for whites not to be collectivistic when all other groups are. You can't just ignore that each group tends to have their own interests.

If we had a homogenous country, you'd be right. But that's not the case.

Pretty sure Peterson the type of nigga to google himself

even very recent history proves you wrong

Gee, I wonder who could be behind this post
>sage

> They say that their white group is the best so they play this game and want to dominate all the other groups.

But we don't, we are saying that we want to live with our own.

begone 90s kid

The lefty college activists do genuinely want equality of outcome between groups. They don't understand the level of tyrannical control they would have to laud over the population to achieve it, and how terrible that would make the world to live in. I basically agree with all of you on that

>be individualist
>everyone else forms groups and start advocating for their own groups
>die out
th-thanks Peterson at least I died with my room cleaned

MAAAXXX FUCCCKIING PAAAR !!

Individualism will wind up with white people dominating everything. So people will group up against us and accuse us of discrimination. Might as well get ahead of it.

The people you're talking about seem to be the useful idiots. The general naive idealists. Those who believe in a pure cause.

These groups have their strings pulled by very different individuals. The professors who spout the doctrine have an angle. The people who take the stage have an angle. They all have their own direction they want things to go, and the notion of equality is just there to feed off of the naivety to get them more power.

There's always a Stalin. There is ALWAYS a Stalin. At least one. Maybe several. At the end, one.

>The left wants all the groups to be equal and the winners to not oppress the losers.
The Left would still oppress losers.
We can still have tribalism AND individualism. A Nation of individuals that put their country first. Not hard, but it seems people only want to be all or nothing nowadays.

This. Of course one should be a strong individual, but that's not the game
that humanity is or ever has been playing. Group games have always been favored.

If that's what he said, I can agree with everything but the analysis of the left, they want the current losers to oppress the current winners; the average of the right wing ideologies, if anything, are the ones looking towards total equality of opportunity by finding a way to raise the losers up to being among the winners without spoiling them rotten. And then there's the oligarchs, fucking it all up because the infinite game is the only game worth playing, and boy do they not get it.

>Peterson is basically Sargoy

we've basically been individualistic for the past 50 years and mostly white people have risen to the top of every field.

So to clarify, is your point basically:

Lefties have started to notice that whites are achieving more and are attributing that success to racism rather than genetic gift.

Now you're saying that since people are starting to see how powerful the white man is we have to band together to keep our high place above other groups

>we are saying that we want to live with our own.
It's quite funny that white people wanting to be with their own, to be left alone, and not wanting to have to have support non-whites is considered a supremacist movement.

You're actually bringing up something I've realized. I had always been an outspoken big government advocate until I realized the issue.

Big government allows a nation to stagnate. Big government requires absolute power gained through a million steps. And it protects corrupt lower administrators. If decisions come down to local and state level officials, it's far easier to flush out the rotten eggs. It's easier to see people engaging in things if you have these massive networks of conspiracy rather than just having one person who can easily clean house should suspicions arise. The more complicated a conspiracy, the harder it is to conceal.

Letting things come down to small government means that big corporations or interests or subversive powers can't just play for one office to exercise supreme power and get their way. They have to play ten thousand smaller offices and officials and can far more easily get caught with their dick out.

Not necessarily "keep our place above other groups", but rather have a country or place overwhelmingly white, without all of the ethnic diversity and multiculturalism.

youtu.be/6T7pUEZfgdI?t=2970

49:28 when he starts talking about this

>Letting things come down to small government means that big corporations or interests or subversive powers can't just play for one office to exercise supreme power and get their way.
big government, not small government

Collective and collectivism are 2 different things. just like individual and individualist. You can have a collective of individualists or individual collectivists.

That picture is the hard truth.

>on this forum
Stopped reading there
SAGE YOUR EMU ASS

>We should be only concerned with ourselves as individuals.
>says what I should do, but not why, lel

>but the whole game is wrong
How?

>right wing nazi

well ain't that a fine assumption

not sure if bait or not, either way

sage

>cries on camera
>takes multiple anti depresssnts
>physically weak
>cross dresser
>tells men to act like men

Why is he such a faggot?

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Why are Stormfags and Commies so triggered by individualists who just want to be left alone?

That sounds about right. Honestly I don't care about being above other groups. But they aren't going to leave us alone. Their lives get better the closer they get to us. I want them out of our nations.

Because being left alone will mean you’re slaughtered by the herd in a generation or two. We have foresight, you don’t.

He's right.

The far left and far right worldviews are completely compatible: they just disagree over who should dominate whom.

Neither worldview is compatible with individualism / classical liberalism.

individualism is the real meme ideology at least communism or fascism can be achieved.

Why is Tribalism bad?

there is more variability withing groups then inbetween

Agreed. Thicc was a meme propagated by the jews to promote fat acceptance.

>JBP says the following: The whole game is wrong. We should be only concerned with ourselves as individuals.
Too bad people aren't wired to act that way, especially non-Europeans.

>The left and the right both have the wrong fundamentals and that is the belief in racial and group identity.
These things exist today, existed yesterday and will exist tomorrow. Better to live in reality and accept it.

>We need to move from tribalism to individualism.
Good luck with that.

Low test Norcuck

>What is your argument against that?
People will always form groups and groups will steamroll individuals.

Race has been shown time and time again to determine who you are as an individual. /Thread

Maybe Jordan thinks the world is like an 80's action movie; with enemies coming at you one at a time.

Its quite plausible to suggest that the nation state was the white persons ingroup. To simplify, we had not got rid of our tribe or suppressed our tribal nature; we had just grown them to be many millions strong and applied the tribal brain circuits to our nations. White people were obviously happy to be individuals within that group when they felt, even if not consciously thought, that their governments actually had their best interests at heart. I am not sure our governments ever did care about their peoples; even if they did, they very clearly no longer do.

Men have a higher variability of height than women but men are still taller

>he wants to be left alone to face the herd
Top kek, even dogs have this figured out and you don't.

Shit doesn't work that way, You can't just ignore the group dynamic. No man is an island.

He's right about that but a tightly knit community that shares the same culture and values is necessary for individualism to exist in the first place which means nation states are required.
A nation state only functions with a homogenous enough population and as such western Europe and North America are doomed to be hellholes.

>The right see the world the same way. They say that their white group is the best so they play this game and want to dominate all the other groups.
That's the kosher anti-White meme that Peterstein sells, that any White person who doesn't want to be a minority in their own country is a genocidal tyrant who wants to rule of non-Whites.

Which is exactly the same thing the Cultural Marxists say about Whites, by the way.

Jordan B. Peterson is anti-White. He is out for your soul.

REMINDER THAT KEK HAS SPOKEN AND PETERSON IS OUT TO GET YOUR SOUL

muh supremacism
the difference between me and the kike peterson is I don't want to dominate other groups, just deport
we've done individualism to the max, mindless hedonism is the result
why can kikes ethnically cleanse but we can't?

>JBP says the following: The whole game is wrong. We should be only concerned with ourselves as individuals
let me guess. he wants white people to do this first
cant he think two moves ahead on the chessboard
browns will never relinquish collective racial identity
peterson is the definition of an ivory tower nigger

>JBP says the following: The whole game is wrong. We should be only concerned with ourselves as individuals.
Then he will lose the game. He should take a break from studying jungian pseudoscience and study game theory instead

Whitey is so ebil and wascist that I can't wait to live in his countries!

Shh now. Do not speak of the JQ. Just pretend that you didn't think for yourself for a second and go clean your room.

>let me guess. he wants white people to do this first
Actually he has said he only aims to prevent us from doing it, while simultaneously being a Zionist.

See here:

Both his strawmen of the left and right and his individualism are fundamentally wrong. Hyper-Individualism is a lot dumber than any sort of tribalism however; it's essentially the end product of plebs LARPing as aristocrats.

This.
/thread

britain has not done "individualism to the max"
you have hate speech laws, and businesses cannot discriminate
also three to four months of every year are spent just paying taxes to the state

I completely agree, but it was always my point that all races should strive to better themselves. It's not about whether white people are better or not, it's that we should strive to make our civilization the best. And so should the sub Saharan African countries, middle eastern, North African, etcetera. For the civilizations to best improve themselves they should not completely overtake or be dependant on others.

I don't want niggers because they'll decrease my civilization instead of increasing their own. And this is not because niggers are inferior, but because they are simply incompatible with my civilization.

best baito by jewdan peterson

wasnt hitler a zioinist

Tipped my fedora for you, gentleman.

>wasnt hitler a zioinist
Nope, that's a lie concocted by the jews.

>and it's like no
>but it's like why?
>and the answer isn't obvious at all
>and it's like well of course it isn't obvious because if it were obvious then we wouldn't find ourselves in the place that we find ourselves today, which is a place that is not terribly dissimilar from hell
>and that's bad
>it's like oh

He admits that he lurks his subreddit.

He's forming a cult.

Because you are all passive cowards who think they live in a bubble

>individualism

This is a meme used to weaken whites. This is why lolbertarians are a joke.

You can be the most empowered, self sufficient, and successful motherfucker on earth. That's not gonna save you if a pack of niggers decide to engage in the most base level of violence against you.

If you're the only one being an "individual" while everyone around you is engaging in collectivism, planning and working as a group, you are going to lose. Whites are LITERALLY the only ones that fall for this Ayn Rand shit. Inb4 some redditor posts a pic the one based black man libertatian.

>we need to go against human nature of tribalism

and with JBP at the helm of this wonderful change in society?

Individuals die. Group is (ideally) eternal.

Ethno-nationalism doesn't include the necessity for one ethnicity ruling all.
White Dutchmen have the right to a homeland which they can and must defend.
By the same token, black Nigerians have the right to a homeland which they can and must defend.
So do Sudanese, the Birmese, the Andeans, etc.
However they choose to deal with that is their business, but that's where it starts.
Could also call it tribal nationhood.

Now what we're seeing in Europe is the deliberate replacement of the local ethnicities with those of Africa.
It is our duty to the tribe as Dutchmen, and Germans to the German tribe, etc, to defend that land by any means possible. Violence is the final step to be taken, and if we truly wish to protect our homeland must be avoided until we don't have the right to ignore it any longer.

The ethnic side done for now, let's look at what Peterson argues.
>individualism
I've noticed that he genuinely believes that if you give all humans the right tools, the equipment they need, they will all become divine individuals in the spirit best embodied by Christianity.
Perhaps we don't have the right tools, but we do have that religion.
Even back when everyone was a devout Christian following the principles of the Divine Individual, only a few succeeded.
Now there can be many causes for it, perhaps IQ for an obvious start.
If that's the limiting factor, that people can't rise above the collective as individuals due to insufficient mental capabilities, then the only right tool at our disposal is eugenics. Studies already indicate that IQ can't be nurtured to the degree we like to think, so it has to come from the natural angle.

That does raise a question.
Let's say everyone is a divine individual.
We're still a social creature, we'd still want our communities and a society.
Wouldn't this simply elevate the ability of the collective to a point where rising above it becomes impossible?

Thicc...is just for people who cannot get the ideal body either in themselves or their mate. Nobody really likes it...they just pretend to. Even so said pic is a bit too slim...but way better than any thing lardass.

>JBP at the helm
Wash your balls young bucko.

The solitary individual is nothing. You won't be left alone because you will never leave others alone, no matter how hard you try to distort your perception of reality to believe orherwise.

peterson has the mental capacity of a teenage boy if he finds this enlightening

>individualism plus socialism is causing white genocide
"We are all equal under God"
Even Jesus had a collectivist ideal to follow, and He's generally held as the benchmark for divine individuality.

>What is your argument against that?
Individualism leads to tribalism with similar individuals.

anyone who doesn't get this needs to spend an hour playing agar.io (or almost any multiplayer game)

individualism only works in majority white high trust societies.

A collective is only as strong as the individual members are, plus the degree of cooperation they can maintain.
Without the cooperation there's only chaos.
Why else would this humble board of peace that spends most of its time infighting and shitposting be a more effective propaganda machine than the entire US deep state?

Peterson may have just a moment ago come and declared he intend to "eradicate" any Whites who want to collectivize, because it will cause genocide no matter what, according to his jewish logic (same as in OP).

When will Sup Forums realize that Peterstein has declared war on them?

This is the best response. Movie g past tribalism doesn't work because Muslims are highly tribal...blacks...chinese...jews...

Tribes will defeat I individuals every time. Anyone who calls for whites to abandon their tri e while other tri as seek to destroy them is advocating white genocide...knowingly or not.

It was funny that in his talk with Ben Shapiro, Ben suddenly started advocating for group identity and that the concept of just getting through life as an individual is just ignorant of all human history when he was defending biological Judaism and their weariness of outsiders.

But white people wanting to live in majority white countries is still evil.

>let me check out your yarmulke

Those are irrelevant. We live in the most individualistic times in human history where everyone thinks he's a special snowflake ajnd tries to show it off by buying useless shit and where there is no such thing as a duty to your people and future generations

Jews are inherently suspicious of non Jewish intellectuals because they don’t share the genetic desire to curtail the goyim, even if their philosophy is Zionist. Thus they subconsciously seek to undermine them.

Thats only good, our society would return to normalcy and weed out all the scum if it was allowed to function under natural law. People advocating democracy, communism, freedom of religion, etc would be excludes from the libertarian society, since those ideas go against the individual rights the society exists to protect in the first place.

Fpbp

>pol' SO YOURE SAYING

What's the point of coming to this board?

Just watched One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest again last night.

McMurphy: Do you think it might be possible to turn the music down so maybe a couple of the boys could talk?

Nurse Ratched: That music is for everyone, Mr. McMurphy.