So, why haven't you tried to leave the (((modern world))) already? Become financially and morally independent from the wreck of civilization you try to save so badly.
>buy a land on the countryside or wilderness >start agriculture, preferably permaculture (google it if you don't know what it is) >become self sufficient in food >build your own house (you can use tiny houses or trailer at the beginning to lower the costs) >find a wife and multiply >homeschool your children
this way you get free from the (((debt))) and contribute to create a new generation of bad goys ready to restore the order in the world.
Not possible. All land is either private property or government owned so no person is truly free to travel as they wish and live outside of society.
Levi Gonzalez
because no money also
Isaac Martinez
that's why I said you should purchase the land. 10 or 20 acres don't cost much. it's still under government rule to some extend, but lesser than cages in the cities so many people desperately want to live in.
Robert Gonzalez
buying a few acres and a trailer will cost you less than trying to live in an apartment. save money or join the military for a couple of years to increase your budget. no excuses, buddy!
Jayden King
Agricultural land in the uk runs at ~£10k/acre and thanks to our fucked up laws if you then try and build on it to live the government will come along and demolish the lot.
Land with permission or possible permission runs at ~£200,000/acre minimum.
Gavin Williams
if you think UK laws and prices are too overwhelming, you can always move to another country.
Joshua Watson
>why haven't you tried to leave the (((modern world))) already?
because that's where all of the jobs that pay money are located.
Thomas Barnes
Visas needed to move abroad generally require more than "I want to live in a wood by myself".
Face it m8 we live in a shit time where there is no 'new world' on this planet to explore and conquer and there isn't the technology, let alone available to plebs like us, to fuck off it and do it elsewhere.
We were born 500 years too early/late.
Jose Moore
>because that's where all of the jobs that pay money are located.
so the quality of life is measured by how much money you make? good goy
David Ross
you are still in EU so getting a residence card or even citizenship isn't that hard. really, read about it. if you need to work until you get the citizenship, then do it. end justfies the means, and you will be better off in the end.
Kayden Barnes
>Buy Land in Germany >Start to farm land >Get fined for doing it without a permit and an education in doing so >k.jpg >Cut down a tree >Get fined again because I didnt have a permit >wew.jpg >Build rough foundation of the house >Immidiatley get arrested for not paying GEZ >Get out of prison >Try to homeschool my children >Get arrested again for not putting my children in a school that is approved by the government
Germany lads
Jayden Reyes
>so the quality of life is measured by how much money you make? good goy
No, quality of life is measured by being able to eat food, at a bare minimum, and i'm too poor to own any land, so... yeah.
Julian Carter
get the permits or move to another country
Easton Turner
you can get 10 acres of good land in USA for like 4k$, it's not that much. also, become self sufficient, you will be able to feed yourself and your family after some time. (transition isn't sudden)
Luke Reed
All countries do this. Even America where it's generally easier will still come for your arse if you're no actively engaged enough in the system to pay taxes.
To do what you say today means becoming homeless, with no property other than what you can carry. That's literally the only way out of the system.
Angel Bennett
>you can get 10 acres of good land in USA for like 4k$
That's more than I have.
Julian Clark
>because that's where all of the jobs that pay money are located. I'm moving out of the city and starting a firewood buissness
Bentley Nelson
>That's more than I have. then save money. what's so hard about that? you can also enlist to increase your budget, duh
Isaiah Peterson
Then move to straya you cunt
Aaron Turner
>then save money. what's so hard about that?
Have to have a job to save money, user...
Dominic Gonzalez
Get a job user. Or invent something before they have a chance to steal it.
Dominic Scott
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Complete self sufficiency borders autism and it is counter productive. Foe example why do you need to farm wheat and similar products? With low mechanized means of production it will absorb a large part of your finite time, while you could buy them for the cost of few hundred dollars/euros per year. Semi independence is the most efficient. The rule is that you could still live in your house if electricity is broken down or cut down. Have the tools in hand to be able to live as if you were returned to 19th century.
Hunter Ward
>Get a job user. Or invent something before they have a chance to steal it.
It's hard to get a job when you are being gangstalked, dude.
And I've invented plenty of things, they keep stealing the idea, and keeping me too poor to afford a patent...
So, I'm not inventing anything else.
Ever.
Luke Cox
I did that. I like it.
Ethan Green
...
Liam Rivera
how long has it been since you started until you became self-sufficient?
Landon Powell
men dont run from their problems they fix them. if we became MGTOW soyboy faggots we'd be no better than dirty refugees running from trouble. (((they))) want us to give up
Blake Rodriguez
Get money, get land in Russia or Ukraine.They got a shit ton of land in the far east. That's where I might be heading if not the Ukrainian carpathians.
Jayden James
/comfy/
Evan Anderson
Well that's my fantasy and I recently firmly decided I will drop out of the rat race, no amount of shekels will convince to waste my life in a soul-crushing cubicle bitch job. All I want is a simple life with a qt wife and lots of kids amongst Nature, I dont need to go full Varg, becoming a farmer or rancher will do it
Bentley Hernandez
Cool. I'm going to get some chickens too. (Also thinking about goats)
Eli Johnson
Visas. You can't just rock up in Russia and buy land, though you could possibly with the right skills arrive on a tourist visa and "disappear".
Bentley Brooks
I still have to work. Not really trying to be self sufficient as much as escape city, build retirement place, and have the ability to be self sufficient if needed. I am 52 so...
Samuel Rodriguez
>though you could possibly with the right skills arrive on a tourist visa and "disappear".
This pretty much, I am very well aware but just as people go yank women hunting to get a bloody greencard I already hitched myself a Russo-Swede with citizentship so I'll get around it.
Thomas Wood
Goats have a job, brush clearing. Eventually i will plant blueberry bushes. Good cash crop for shitty soil.
William Moore
I'm just a couple of moon mission away from that, hopefully crypto takes me all the way to that goal
I'm talking power generation, food cultivation (to the practical level), biofuel production, own water source, passive income, rural family life kind of living
we are all going to make it, faggots
Lincoln Sanchez
No I meant literally travelling into Siberia with a tent and living the rest of your (very short) life defending your shack from bears and trying to never need a doctor again.
Tyler Mitchell
one day perhaps, you'll be free, fella. gl
Julian Moore
>Eventually i will plant blueberry bushes. Hey, that's a good idea. I've heard good things about sweet potatoes and purple potatoes. That's one thing I plan to start off with.
Luis James
I have no idea what do you mean in the first sentence, but gl anyway haha
rural kind of living is the best
Kevin Ross
I mean you only live once right? If a neanderthal can do it, so can YOU, I believe in YOU. Hangout with those Siberian Turks and Finns, you don't need a doctor senpai you need a shaman.
Jonathan Morris
This is a good goal to have now in order to escape the degeneracy and decay of modern cities, but it shouldn't be the end goal. It's not necessary to return to medievalism or ruralism...civilization itself is not bad in and of itself, we've just allowed it to become so.
The ultimate goal should be a functioning and moral civilization in which progressions in technology and science are integrated into the whole rather than allowed to disrupt the foundations.
Joseph Thompson
What the fuck is wrong with Europe? How did y'all allow this to happen? America is devoid of culture and community, but at least we fight against the nanny state.
Jaxon Robinson
I don't want to dig. Blueberry is pretty high, so no backaches and they earn about 10k an acre
Sebastian Adams
As other user pointed out, you got plenty of easy moving options available.
Anthony Bell
You left out at least one zero.
Grayson Ross
'moon mission' is a term used by crypto traders to denote some currency's stark rise in valuation where x10 or even higher jumps are not that uncommon see /biz/ to find out more
Mason Cooper
I don't think so. I've spent last couple of days looking at prices of land in different states, and you really often see good prices for such land.
Landon Gomez
I should add my goal isn't to live off the land like a frontiersman. I like air conditioning, running water, coffee, alcohol etc. I just like the feeling of freedom i have out here. Drink my beer, shoot my guns, ride my horses.... Nobody fucks with me.
Lincoln Ramirez
>find a wife and multiply >buy a land on the countryside or wilderness Where the fuck do you find wife that wants to live in the countryside you idiot?
Oh right you never leave your fucking room.
David Long
Around centerville in texas.
Luke Turner
Nearly every girl out here.
Lucas Lopez
I sold like half an acre a year ago for double that. Such deals might exist, but they are definitely the exception.
Asher Russell
My neighbors have 22 kids. All girls. All want to live out here
Ethan Collins
Clearly you're the one not leaving your room enough
Liam Ortiz
Centerville texas. And the hill country
Julian Martinez
Bull fucking shit.
In Poland the least married male group are farmers(as in - people who actually live in the countryside). They are also coincidentally the demographic group with the highest suicide rate. And this is Poland where distances are relatively small. It was so bad that they've even made shit tier reality show about finding wives to those guys to shine the light on it.
Ryan Torres
> leave modern world > still leech welfare > larp online as a faggot > excuse me, a pagan
Jacob Thompson
At least we have shit posting.
Jeremiah Kelly
Like my vidya too much, willing to put up with chinks immigration war and inflation for it tbqh familia not even joking. Also like the conveniences modern tech affords us. You pleb cunt poles dont have a choice really, poor as fuck and stuck in the 80's
Jason Evans
this is the ultimate red pill, also owning a gun while doing all this
Liam Rivera
Canada is 95% untamed wilderness, and if you apply for Russian citizenship you can get free land I believe.
yep that's why I wanted to do it in the USA (and manage to achieve my american dream) I hope I can get the visa if not, I guess maybe canada, france or russia would be the solution.
Brody Wright
>10 or 20 acres don't cost much.
Yeah maybe not in Poorland, but in the first world its expensive:
Foster kids. This isn't poland. This is rural texas.
Camden Collins
>So, why haven't you tried to leave the (((modern world))) already?
Why haven't you?
David Lopez
2500 dollars here
Robert Peterson
I'm about to. I want to have everything planned to avoid fucking something up
Landon Hughes
They took away our guns, you cant fight a government with sheep either.
Aiden Long
that's not 1.4 acre you retard
Austin Gomez
I had an uncle who did something somewhat similar. he moved from Calgary to a small down in British Columbia. He had a like 10 acres...built a giant garden and had about 2 dozen chickens and two beef cows. In the winter he would run the wood stove instead of paying for heat . His wife has a horse boarding so they were getting an income from that and when things got slow he would renovate houses for people. He passed away Xmas day but he had just bought about 50k in solar panels and batteries. Sometimes I would see him standing in his garden just staring at it. Made me want to have this kind of life. If you don't want to go full out you can always do something like this. He had internet and basic things we city folk have. But no rat race .
Andrew Nelson
Its so unfair man, I want to have some land for agriculture and animals. I want to have it next to my job and its nearly impossible. I was hoping to buy a house with like 0.5 acre at some point.
Jackson Diaz
Nice desu hmu.
Jack Green
because he gave up on me and none of this shit's worth doing without him
Anthony Wilson
5.62.40 5000m^2 1 acre = 4046m^
So maybe i was 0.1 or 0.2 off. Honest to god you must be such a fucking faggot falling over this shit.
I bet no one likes you specially if you act like a fucking autist.
Grayson Davis
I am 70 miles from houston. I paid 7500 an acre for absolute wilderness. Had to clear the land. Owner finance though. 10 acres 600 a month. Another 100 miles and price drastically cheaper.
Colton Roberts
kek
Ian Fisher
guess I fucked up trying to figure out why the fuck would there be two dots in 5.62.40, my bad. anyway, i'm sure you can find cheaper lol
Josiah Cox
fucking north americans and their land mass
Kevin Smith
>why haven't you tried to leave the (((modern world))) already? >Implying I haven't Land is cheap here, I built my own house with the help of family
Wyatt Campbell
Sorry about your grandpa leaf. Why do so many people pass away around xmas/yule time? I've known so many people who pass away in that two week span. (My grandpa almost passed away this past yule, we found out he has COPD the hard way)
Dylan Allen
I think Russia still offers it. They'll give you a couple of acres (In BFE Siberia) and a cash incentive. You're required to build on the land and make effective use of it (I.E. Agriculture) and you have 7 or so years to do this. If you can successfully meet these requirements for 7 years the Russian gov will leave you alone, grant you citizenship, and officially turn the land over to you.
Samuel Kelly
wtf do you do with 7 acres of land in siberia that makes a profit?
>inb4 gas exploration
Mason Young
Farm.
Jonathan Long
polytunnels full of veg
Christopher Rivera
My dad did that. Bought a dirt cheap piece of land in Texas for $10k. Bought a old trailer home for the same price. Now totally self sufficient.
Parker Hernandez
Nah you can do it in the country side. Its not actually that hard even.
Angel Sanchez
raise reindeer?
Brandon Perez
7 acres couldn't be enough for that. but agriculture is always good.
Jackson Bailey
how long did it take him to become self sufficient?
Isaac Morgan
Ah, escapism at its best.
Kevin Richardson
Hm about 5 years probably? Gradually replaced stuff keeping him "in the matrix." Now he has small farm/ranch, burner cellphone for internet, solar for electricity, and he and others in my family extend the house with hand tools and wood from the trees on the land.
Mason Evans
>Lives off of welfare, sales from Amazon, Itunes, and Youtube >Self-sufficient This may able to teenagers and 20 something know-nothings but everyone that has discovered who they are knows he is completely full of shit. Perhaps it is the side effect from being thrown in a cage so young for a nigger mistake. Sheltered. Mommy bought the land on which they can't even maintain a garden. Save the preaching, pseudo-Christian Monks.