I am tired of seeing all the dystheist bullshit in anime...

I am tired of seeing all the dystheist bullshit in anime, tired of seeing inquisitive churches portrayed as the villains.

OHH THE HERETICS AND PAGANS ARE ACTUALLY THE GOOD GUYS

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But that's the truth.

The church in Spice and Wolf isn't flat out evil, but they are generally portrayed as overbearing and controlling. All the female members of the church were shown as upstanding, good people who held true to their faith, though the men were usually the sub-villain of the book they appear in.

In fantasy anime there's nothing that obliges it to be the "truth".

Shinto = Pagan.

Any big organisation is ripe to be poised as the bad guy, governments included.

Better pay a visit to your local priest's bedroom.

The church in Matoi was pretty decent, they just hunted ghosts and shit.

Actually the church in a lot of series with vampires/etc. tends to be a good presence, if militant.

>The church in the middle ages didn't need reform and wasn't corrupt
Nigga what

>Wanting anime to portray christians positively when it comes from an island that rooted out and executed christians
Nigga what

I was talking about churches in anime, not in real life.

Even if they might borrow some of the stylistic themes.

Japan's national religion, shinto, is basically pagan. Why are you surprised that they portray other religions negatively? Just look at how the world's biggest Protestant Christian nation, the United States, constantly shits on Catholics.

>pagans shit on them
>Catholics shit on them
Which is why I'm so tired of this one sided narrative in fantasy anime.

They are an established evil or are you an murrican who can't do without Russians as the antagonist?

Anime is not dystheist. It doesn't hate all religion, only organized religion. You can complain that anime often depicts inquisitive churches and oppressive religious orders, but you shouldn't confuse that as hating all forms of spirituality. It only hates a specific subset. Organized religion is pretty much a cult that grew too big.

>Catholics shit on them

No, I'm saying that Protestants shit on them.

The Catholic Church is the largest religious sect on earth. People always take shots at those who are in the limelight. No religious sect is a bigger or easier target than Catholics, especially since Catholics won't suicide bomb you for talking trash about them.

>Anime is not dystheist. It doesn't hate all religion, only organized religion.

I disagree. First, "anime" doesn't hate or like anything, it's a genre. Second, anime overwhelmingly portray shinto shrines positively and non-japanese churches negatively. There is a pretty obvious nationalist element at work here.

You have to wait until churches are all dead. Then they can be idealized as saviors in dystopic lands.

The global media in general is dominated by non catholics. The US (protestant), UK (protestant), China (atheist), Russia (orthodox), Japan (shinto)...none of them have any reason to pull punches when it comes to Catholics.

Japan doesn't even respect its own religion, you can't expect them to respect others.

Where is the glorious Polish empire when you need it.

You forgot ISIS (islam)

wat anime is this, i love shit like this

That furry one from this season.

ISIS isn't a media outlet, user.

well, that's historically accurate, the inquisition was no joke, also the church being "good" only works when the protagonist or at least one of the main cast is part of it, and even then a corrupt church member will appear somehow

Zero Kara Hajimeru Mahou No Sho, ep. 01

This, you also have to take into account that most anime is aimed at teenagers and teenagers love the whole "oppose the establishment" setting.

>churches in anime should be something they have never been in real life

user...

fuck that then, I couldn't watch when I saw it was furry shit. wish they just had him as normal dude or something

>pagans should never be able to cast real spells because that didn't happen in real life
Your logic sucks for fantasy.

wrong

No, I am right.

not an argument

I already gave you one, so fuck you.

Go back to >>>/reddit/ you blue-pilled cuck
Reminder that Christianity is Jew-shit and that the Jews ruined Ancient Rome with it

Nobody implied it had to be Christianity specifically, retard. In fact it almost never is actual Christianity in anime.

It doesn't matter. If it's an Abrahamic religion it's Jew-shit.

>blue-pilled cuck
Nah, you fuck off back to Sup Forums.

Same thing with Abrahamic religions, they almost never appear in anime.

Name 1 instance in history where the people labeled as "heretics" or "pagans" were actually in the wrong

ISIS has practically no influence on global media, at least in terms of producing fiction tv shows. However, if you said the UAE/Qatar, which do have a strong influence on global sports media (through BeIn Sports, PSG, and Manchester City) you would be correct.

>it's a genre
It's more like a sub-medium if you want to play semantics.

>Abrahamic religions, they almost never appear in anime.

Not directly, of course. But anime is full of churches that are clearly abrahamic, specifically catholic, in all but name.

That is irrelevant, you dumbasses are still thinking only in real life terms. This was about original religions in anime.
Inspired doesn't mean it has to equal.

Mystery of the Druids?

The Aztec empire? I am not a fan at all of Catholicism or of the genocide of the native Americans by Euro imperialism, but human sacrifice is objectively not good.

40k did it right. Maybe anime will do it too one day.

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>Christianity = Judaism

Kill yourself atheist nigger.

It's literally Judaism 2: Electric Boogaloo you dipshit trump-voting redneck degenerate asshat retard peepeehead

Wew, someone is upset.
I used to be upset by religion depictions in anime as well but I got used to it after a while. At least now any slightly positive portrayal is a welcome surprise.

What's the reason for in the anima and manga, sisters and nuns(especially the young and pretty one)
often to have more positive portrait and are show to be understanding and kind than the priest or brothers(the male in general) the male are often show to be vary bad and negative？

Try again in English you subhuman.

I just watched Rage of Bahamut Genesis, and the demons were evil while the angels were good.

every crusade

Fourth Crusade.

Nothing in particular comes to mind. I guess everyone just wants the attractive nun to also be kind and caring.

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Why does this trigger christtards so much? It;s just because it looks cool you dumb niggers. Fuck, you're like those people who get upset anytime someone pokes fun at their religion. Lighten up and don't take everything so damn seriously, if there really is an omnipotent god I don;t think he or she cares if some mortals make fun of other mortals about it.

>I am tired of seeing all the dystheist bullshit in anime, tired of seeing inquisitive churches portrayed as the villains.
It's the same reason why the police is corrupt in Gotham.

If the almighty Church isn't corrupt and actually doing its job helping people, then there is nothing for heroes to do. And if the Churchhad superpowered members to boot, or even a god worth a damn, then there would be no bad guys.

We've had this same fucking thread hundreds of times and we always give you the same answer. Why do you keep making it? Why does it even bother you? It's just fiction.

Of course, the sequel has the humans being the oppressors of both demons and angels, at least at first.

Not all the police in Gotham is corrupt. Commissioner Gordon's a good guy.

>We've had this same fucking thread hundreds of times and we always give you the same answer. Why do you keep making it? Why does it even bother you? It's just fiction.
It's because religious people, deep down, know there is no difference between their own holy texts and complete fiction. So sometimes they get angry at other fiction that are technically a direct competitor to their faith.

>has the humans being the oppressors of both demons and angels
Good. Fuck G*d and Satan. Humanity Uber Alles.

>Not all the police in Gotham is corrupt. Commissioner Gordon's a good guy.
That's like saying "not all costumed maniacs in Gotham are evil, Batman is a good guy"

Batman's a crazed vigilante who serves his own moral code. How can we trust him with protecting the city?

It's not really a religious bias. One of the easiest way to make an antagonist threatening is to grant them "authority" - and historically, in many settings, a dominant religion proves to be one of the more prevalent authority figures.

Kings, emperors, archbishops, CEOs, even teachign staff... The villain is whomever happens to wield the rod in the setting chosen, not religion itself.

>church are the bad guys
>meanwhile NotMuslim are good multicultural people

I can get behind bad guy church, but at least do the same to the other religions.

The Templars and the excommunicated Fourth Crusaders.

what are you saying? Soviets can't be the antagonists. They aren't even human.

Japan barely knows what Islam is. They're much more familiar with Christianity.

> Soviets can't be the antagonists
Are you forgetting FMP?

And you see a bunch of monks in hentai raping shrine maidens. It's nothing, only because Catholic church's elements look cool.

Can't think of many examples of this in anime at all, especially not with multicultural instead of homogeneous Muslims. Which were you thinking of?

the bible was fake and Jesus was a fictional character
also no anime has ever portrayed the true atrocities towards human civilization that religious groups (both the vatican and the skittles) have caused
now run on back to Sup Forums like a good little Christian boy

Don't diss skittles, they're tasty.

Depends on your conception of "good". Looked at within a Darwinian framework "inquisitive" religions are clearly a successful force in our own history and will probably continue to be so considering they out-breed atheists 3:1. Moralistic views of truth/good are pleb tier.

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Humanism is for children.
Reddit Revisionism

Jap higher up are scared of letting Christianity spread, they know their atheist and shinto garbage would easily be destroyed by the onslaught of new believers.

There are 'muslims' in E7 but they aren't really depicted as such (they're a fringe religious group that is blamed for violence across the globe and are regularly attacked)
They are also the only organized religion (Church) in the series. The two major players are more neutral than bad, and the Church itself has a number of practices which are discredited by the most important of the two (a superhuman monk)

But they are multicultural. The woman of the two is white with blue eyes (I think), the monk is either brown or tanned (not likely), and a young girl that plays a major role in one episode is black. There's a scattering of background characters too. And, as mentioned, plenty of dissent within the religion itself. They are depicted as 'correct', though, at some fundamental level.
A great depiction of a religion, really.

But Japan had eight Christian Prime Ministers despite the Christian population in Japan lower than 1%.

Weren't those guys more buddhist/shinto?

Well, muslims in Japan are monitored by the Japanese government.

>They are depicted as 'correct', though, at some fundamental level
Is it really a religion when it's a method of communicating with the lifeforms you share your planet with?

Theologically, yes, but they were clearly supposed to be Muslims in terms of analogy and popular depiction. Islam just didn't fit the image they were looking for.
The Vodarac did much more than that, much of which Norb (who could actually communicate) criticized. Namely, trying to fuse a priest to a drive in order to awaken Sakura (which killed at least a few dozen in the process over only a few decades), and locking Sakura away from all human contact when she was actually born to live among humans.

Sakuya*

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Interesting that you didn't say I was wrong.

I implied it. Work on your reading comprehension.

>Seized power over the countries by the means of intimidation
>Accumulates large amounts of wealth, demands more for providing support
>Through calling out to supernatural forces can justify any kind of action including wars against a specific target.
>Eliminates wrongthink, imposes a retarded set of rules for people to follow.
And just look at all the bullshit that happens then orthodox religious invade "pagan" countries. Not to mention the bloodshed that spraws then church desides to have an internal conflict.

If not for the burning of the Alexandria library and dark ages caused by overwhelming control from religious groups,not only humanity would have advanced much faster, but the many ancient records/art could've been saved

Why did they lock up Sakuya, again? I do remember the fusing and that Norb was basically the only success though I seem to remember Dewey fusing himself with a Compac too.

So who's the best religious character in anime?

Drifters' Jesus

Its because christianity in general is viewed pretty mysteriously by people in Japan as its one of the more "exotic " religions (given they kinda genocided most of the native christian population and had it driven underground). If you look at other series, especially samurai shows, buddhist and shinto priests are sometimes shown as corrupt as well but because its a more decentralized faith its not as damming. Because catholicism is wholly centralized, if something occurs in the church its damming to the whole. The bigger reason however for the church being viewed the way it is is because it really isn't viewed as christian in any way, just as "the big holy church". The big bad/corrupt syndicate who has the trappings of a good guy/organization is an old trope and the church is such a staple in medieval fiction that it just fills the desired role. If you look at it from a Japanese perspective, most "evil churches" in anime aren't even christian in any way, they're just really big, white, extravagant palaces with lots of "cool" crosses with devotion to X God/Goddess(s) of the setting. Clerics aren't even shown as bad most of the time in anime, in fact they are mostly viewed as benifical. Samurai Champloo even talks about the catholic martyrs in Japan, which desu I've never really seen in much historical anime and Kids on the Slope has some pretty good potrayal of Catholics in Japan.

Theres also Maria Watches Over Us which is slightly more accurate, if your into NotYuri

What is it that gives you such faith in the religion you've decided to follow? From an outsider's perspective, all the major religions seem about as plausible as each other on a literal level.

Yeah, Japan is actually pretty soft on Christianity, especially compared to the West. Japan is soft on religion in general. They're mostly atheists, but not edgy fedora atheists, like we have over here.

The "church is corrupt" twist is just a play on the old Dragon Quest games, where the church was where the hero would go for healing, so he could go back to fighting evil demons.

But atheists (namely the communists of the USSR, eugenicists, etc.) have murdered more people in the last century (60+ million under Stalin alone, etc. etc.) than religious groups of any kind have throughout human history.

>Where is the glorious Polish empire when you need it.

Same place as all the other Catholic empires.

Catholicism was a mistake.

>From an outsider's perspective, all the major religions seem about as plausible as each other on a literal level.
Even from an atheist perspective, Mormonism and Scientology are objectively less plausible. You can think all religions are bullshit, but there's different levels of bullshit.

They knew she was a Coralian, but they completely misinterpreted her purpose. I think they called her their princess and thought they had to keep her safe in order to preserve their relationship with the Coralians. I suppose that's not wrong.
Dewey fused himself somehow, probably during his time in prison.

b-but all atheists are commie dogs and closet murders/socialists
and catholic priests totally dont like touching little alter boys
gurrr