if alt-right are neo-nazis, why not just call them neo-nazis?
i've been following this from the start and i'm pretty sure it's more accurate to say alt-right is a quiet political alliance between classic liberals, civic nationalistic, ethnic (white) nationalists, and right leaning libertarians who are pushed together in support of anti-cultural marxist policies and immigration for the sake of diversity rather then pragmatic reasons
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>if alt-right are neo-nazis, why not just call them neo-nazis?
because alt-right means
[x] right of center political philosophy
[x] Not the main right wing party of your country
so basically for Americans it means
[x] right of center political philsophy
[x] Not NeoConservativism (GOPe)
So Libertarianism, PaleoConservatism, Civic Nationalism, Ethnic Nationalism, Monarchism, Anarcho-Capitalism, Theocracy, are all "Alt-Right"
But why the conflation of an Umbrella Term like "Alt-right" with a Specific ideology like Ethnic-Nationalism?
Well because before Trump the GOPe is feigned opposition to the Democrats. And it helps out both Republicans and Democrats to say that anyone that isn't a rank and file Israel loving Republican is a Nazi. Before Trump illegal immigration was never going to be brought up. So shaming people away from deviating from GOPe orthodoxy is very useful to the GOP. and since the GOP is a bunch of spineless fake lip-service pieces of shit that are part of the "fuck the peasants" uniparty, They'll keep voting (R) and wondering why society keeps drifting left.
Fortunately by lumping everyone under the same term it forces solidarity and crossover of ideas between the groups. Ethnic nationalism will pervade all those groups who were previously indifferent/unaware of it.
Not only that but since "Alt-Right" is the groupings of a bunch of vastly different political ideologies, there will never be cohesion and dedication to the cause. You have this mass of people that are pissed at the GOP and Democrats, but they have no shared philosophical foundation of which to feel confident in their remedies on how to move forward.
>I'm MAD!
>Things SUCK!
Okay but what do we do to fix things?
>Everyone instantly starts in-fighting because you have there are a hodgepodge of ideologies that have conflicting core beliefs
Yes, I would hope that this is true.
EthNat is the most legitimate form of government and the one that addresses the realities of the world in terms of the nature of power structures.
The reason why Communism and Libertarianism doesn't work is that they are completely based on the idea of "This is how people SHOULD act" versus "This is how people act, so let's build accordingly"
they are unified against cultural marxist policies and immigration. Modern neo-nazi/white nationalists don't speak about socialist policies as much, however. so pro-capiatlistic economics i suppose is also part of the coalition.
>they are unified against cultural marxist policies and immigration
Yes they are and that is useful in the short term.
But it isn't enough to be against something as a movement. You have to be FOR something.
Look at all the college commies. They are FOR something and that is why they are so devoted. (what they are FOR is of course horseshit but still)
Only by a shared unified vision of what you want the future to be like will you get people who are willing to do the crazy shit that intimidates your staunch opponents and simultaneously provides a goal that inspires devotion.
Alt right are just conservatives, who woke up one day along their journey and said to themselves
>Wait a minute, I don't hate white people and I don't want to die.
Doing this and saying this is a revolutionary act, in a white genocide nation like America. So we are alone, rebels to the last.
We laugh at leftists eating eat other when a Feminist v Islam v Nigs v Fags
And we have it too when you have speakers that the media labels as "Alt-right bigots" are weak-kneed radical centrists promoted as our """"leaders""""" and the EthNats see that they are kiked and dislike them.
I can only hope that since EthNat is based on the Truth of the world and how people naturally organize that these Alt-Light speakers work as "Bridges" to get people to at least learn that they have been lied to. Once they find out they have been lied to, the thirst for truth begins out of a subconscious revenge against those that fed them delusions. And although the purple pilled faggots like Peterson, Sargon, Milo, etc rail against racial consciousness. Truth is truth and the pull of truth will get them marching ever closer to Ethnic Nationalism.
The knowledge builds on itself and one discovery leads to the next. And the predictive capabilities of the EthNat mindset of macro-geopolitical affairs are too hard to ignore.
Once you get a normalfaggot to recognize Jewish last names, it's all over for them.
Once you get a normalfaggot to hear "A liquor store was robbed today" on the news and they think "I bet it was a black guy" and then the picture comes up and sure enough it is a black guy, it is all over for them.
How am I a nazi if I'm a spic?
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Who?
>the predictive capabilities of the EthNat mindset of macro-geopolitical affairs are too hard to ignore.
Sup Forums is always right
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. They're white, they can get it. It just takes time.
>if alt-right
who?
>if alt-right are neo-nazis, why not just call them neo-nazis?
>i've been following this from the start and i'm pretty sure it's more accurate to say alt-right is a quiet political alliance between classic liberals, civic nationalistic, ethnic (white) nationalists, and right leaning libertarians who are pushed together in support of anti-cultural marxist policies and immigration for the sake of diversity rather then pragmatic reasons
yeah, that's about right. we also tend to be anti-egalitarian ans have been pushed away from libertinism/individualism from being exposed to the realities of d&c and displays of degeneracy. other than that, your right on.
>why not call them nazis
several things, but hbd especially means that the marxist is incapable of having a discussion with us, their ideology only has intellectual access to liberal democratic spectrum. Sargon made this point quite accurately.
>that these Alt-Light speakers work as "Bridges" to get people to at least learn that they have been lied to
I prefer to think of them as training wheels on a bike. Babby's first redpill, but you can't stay on the tricycle forever. Eventually you need to take the wheels off and balance yourself to move ahead. Of course, when you do, you'll probably fall flat on your face at first. At which point you either put the training wheels back on like Sargoy and Peterstein, or you leave them off and try until you can ride that fucking bike.
Augusto Pinochet, he is a hero to anyone on the right, a right wing legend from Chile. Learn your own proud history latin man.
Hitler went on the same journey we did, quite literally. That's why Sup Forums uses him as its spokesman. He's the first true Sup Forumsack
This is completely fucking true. A bullshit media term of convenience has led to cross-pollination of ideas and now, within only half a year i've gone from civic nationalism towards ethnic nationalism. Without all of this shit being lumped in together in the pursuit of the 'Other' I doubt i'd have ideologically altered my position in such a short period of time.
Tio pero yo no soy de chile.
“Alt-right” was created by young assholes who didn’t want to be leftists yet didn’t think “conservative” was hip or accurate. It also had minority identities in the mix. Their biggest crime was mocking Queen Hillary. The left couldn’t stand the thought of anyone but them being seen as the youth and minority group as they picked a very vibrant 70 year old woman to lead them via corruption of their primary process. They set out to demonize the “alt-right” and any tangential memes. Easy for them to do since the MSM is in their pocket. Once racists heard that the “alt-right” was the new racist party in town, they latched on. Then the Media dutifully noted “see, we told you”. The demonized groups though were fairly immune to being demonized and soon “alt-right” came to mean “anyone who posts on Sup Forums or is to the right of Hillary”. As defined by Cuckfeed and and other clickbait obsessed “journalists”.
alt right is a reference to the internet presence alt.right usenet. who knows if there are any connection between our two communities but thats the etymology of the term.
Pero tu eres latino. Yo no soy latino, pero yo amo a Pinochet. Everyone on the right should have an appreciation for Pinochet, the man , the legend. Trump basically ran on a Pinochet platform with promises like "lock her up" and "no more Muslims allowed"
He ran on some radical alt-right promises, too bad he kept none of them
All alt right means is anyone who is right leaning and non establishment. Same with the alt left. Everything else is a figment of your imagination.
chcked and kekd
FOR TRUTH, FOR VALOR, FOR FREEDOM
If they are any race they can get it.
I have no problem with blacks or any race having their own ethnic state and working for their people's betterment.
They just need to get out of our country. And I have no problem with "The United States of America" becoming "The United Ethnic States of America". People have the right to self-determination of peoples.
But the reality is, is that non-whites do not want to fend for themselves and be in charge of their own destiny. They just want to leech. Thus why blacks and non-whites for Democrats. It is always
>wait until all the ground work is done and systems are established and workings
>AYY LET ME IN BRUH!
And there are those that do not like the Draconian solutions of Ethnic Nationalism. I understand that.
What needs to happen is social change. Fuck political change. It is social change that needs to happen. Politics is down stream from society. If you get society right, then politics will reflect it.
If whites would not hire non-whites, not buy from non-whites, not sell to non-whites, not live among non-whites and not work for non-whites; then the Ethnic State would exist as the non-whites could not leech off of white society. They couldn't get a foothold.
But now I suddenly remember that due to Affirmative Action, you aren't allowed to have a business of any size that is purely white.
So the movement must buy private land and have a self sufficient community which is prosperous, fulfilling, well governed, and peaceful. This would attract whites from around the world. And hopefully change the local/state government to ensure that the white community is protected.
Little bit stream of consciousness writing here and I'm sure there are some things people can pick at. But I'm just spitballing ideas and thoughts I guess.
they want you to associate yourself with the alt right and proclaim how you are alt right since the alt right is just a strawman created to throw every rightwinger, conservative, critique of the (((establishment))), republican, racists, nazis and all the other opposition (((they))) face into one bag, and discredit them all based on a few negative examples they likely fake themselves
everyone associating with the alt right thus is either a shill or usefull idiot.
barely anyone would say they are a neo nazi, so they just come a long with the term alt right which people proudly claim to be which they then say are actually just neonazis
Fortunately the left/center suffers from the same problem. You’d be surprised how much anarchists, liberals, shitskins and commies argue behind closed doors
I get what you mean, but while politics is downstream from society, society is currently in the stranglehold of politics. Try and create a white nationalist enclave and see how fast you get WACO'd. First we need to spread our ideas to all who will listen.
And why not call the democrats 'jackasses' and republicans '500# elephant in the room'. #learnmore
I won't proclaim I'm "alt right" but I will look for other people who are considered "alt right". It's a way for the silent majority to communicate amongst each other while denying the labels the MSM trusts upon us
>why not just call them neo-nazis?
why would we call ourselves the derogatory name our enemies gave us? 'nazi' is a term coined by a dirty jew.
the faggots on the left don't call themselves 'libtard' either, although this term a very accurate one
>digits
Checked. I think you are manifestly wrong if you think that society begets politics. It is definitely two ways. A small subsect of metropolitan society affects politics, and politics has a massive impact on society through legislation and imposition of globalist values on a mostly apathetic people.
e.g. a tiny minority of women in the 1970s pushed for legislation that would end up destroying the family unit, including substantial changes to the tax code. The government implemented this and its effects have lasted to this day.
I'm not personally in favour of a segregated state on race lines, but i'm not afraid to cooperate with those that do. People on this board need to learn from history. A combination of bumfuck anarchists, communists, syndicalists and socialists achieved a lot in the early 20th century, and we can learn from their methods. They fought each other a lot, but they ultimately came together when it counted to influence society around them.
dude, polite Nazis who only express their view points in .jpg images and memes, without having to get their hands dirty actually doing anything that means anything.
Yes you are right.
The 2016 primary nearly destroyed the Democrat party and they are hanging on by a thread.
But their weakness shouldn't be a solace when we look at our own weakness.
The moral absolutism of being confident of being right and your fight is just can not be understated when you are trying to enact change. You have a foundational bedrock that will strengthen the members of the movement to endure the assured slings and arrows that come with trying to enact change.
>Try and create a white nationalist enclave and see how fast you get WACO'd.
Why did the WACO people get fucked anyway?
I don't see why white people putting up funds to buy a large piece of land, moving their and being self-sufficient would cause a crack down.
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>But their weakness shouldn't be a solace when we look at our own weakness.
We are currently enduring what the ancient Greeks called 'stasis', a period of civil strife where ideological forces are embattled but unable to gain an edge over each other. Both left and right are weak across the West. The left has lost its moral legitimacy and suggestions that it won the social values battle in the 1970s-1990s look hopelessly outdated. At the same time, social conservatism has been seriously kneecapped and economic values that encompass capitalism and the free market have fallen apart since the 2008 recession.
Meme War jokes and shit aside, we are all standing on a precipice. The next half a century will be dictated by what happens over the next two or three years. Whichever political beliefs gain ascendancy in the wake of the Collapse will end up becoming a new power we've yet to see in at least three or four decades.
The "alt-right" is an MSM psyop which was enacted to conflate trump supporters with nazis.
>I think you are manifestly wrong if you think that society begets politics. It is definitely two ways. A small subsect of metropolitan society affects politics, and politics has a massive impact on society through legislation and imposition of globalist values on a mostly apathetic people.
You are right. It is indeed a two way street.
But I would say that society is stronger than politics. All the military spending in the world wasn't going to turn Iraq into a democracy. And if white people viewed race-mixing as abhorrently as they view anti-sentimism or racism or rape or murder, then no amount of words on paper could make them debase themselves on a grand scale.
Maybe I am just wowed by the civil disobedience of the Indian independence movement against British rule. But maybe that is naive to think that is viable when comfort is still an option. India faced huge famines and things were definitely not comfy. And maybe my respect for Indian civil disobedience as the primary factor that ended British rule is remnants from blue-pilled education to make me admire a non-western society.
So I don't know.
TL;DR - Yeah okay, Politics definitely needs to be considered. Not just solely society. But I feel social change has more "bang for your buck" than political change.
>Nice digits Adolf.
Your solutions are not final ones I am afraid. We had charters neighborhoods up to the 50's, legally keeping a neighborhood white, forever.
The forever cucked ((((federal government))) came in and cancelled all charters on race, basically raping white neighborhoods and shoving unwanted blacks into them, causing destruction and decay
I would submit respectfully that the civil disobedience campaign (which we study here in the UK) was not grassroots or society based, but a movement created by a political elite and a tool by which a group of colonial beneficiaries seized control. Gandhi was a British educated lawyer who had made his bones in South Africa, and it was his coalition with other leading British educated Indian political figures that led to the movement being successful. It was not a bottom up revolt against British rule, derived from popular consent, it was, as most rebellions are throughout history against occupying powers, a bunch of elites trying to take control from other elites.
Just look at Roman history. Boudicca, a Romanised elite. Civilis. Gildo etc. What unites them is that they were not deriving their power from society, they derived it from political power and influence, and used that to compete in order to achieve an objective.
I'm just talking shit here, I know you think both are important. I'm just trying to stress that there is only so much grassroots changes can do when people are inherently sheep. Do you think the Soviet Union would have come into being without a brutal tyrannical leadership seizing control and imposing their beliefs on people? No. That might be what it takes, unfortunately.
We can change society, but it has to reach a tipping point. Until right wing values become even relatively socially acceptable, women will not follow them, and without women the movement has fuck all. I don't give two fucks about working with whichever group I need to do in order to get some measurable success for the right, be they nationalists or full on stormfags. At the same time, some of the more retarded aesthetic choices of some of these groups make social influence impossible. It is primarily through retaking the vacuum in politics that measurable influence can flow.
>when people are inherently sheep
William Luther Pierce has a good rant about "The Lemmings"
Revolutions are a spectator sport
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Nazis are german, I'm not german, you woudn't call the imperialist Japanese soldiers Nazi's they were National Socialists of Japan, so if American's do the same, barring the retards the happily parade the Swatzika as if it belonged to them, you of course need your own symbol to differetiate and create your own identity.
Like the American National Socialist Party?
aka The American Nazi Party?
I always that it was ill-named, at the very least the party the George Lincoln Rockwell was a part of I think was a good party, but it was quickly made very murky by controlled opposition who set up the retard white power Nazi's we have today, killing all public support it might have had.
>I always that it was ill-named, at the very least the party the George Lincoln Rockwell was a part of I think was a good party
Yep
I think GLR at the time was just trying to break the stigma of the word "Nazi"
But yeah after he was killed by kikes the party just was subverted and turned to dog shit.
Really REALLY sad.
The alt-right doesn't exist you kike faggot
You are very stupid
THE alt-right does not exist.
But if you read my post and you'll see that Alt-right exists as a categorical term, an umbrella term.
it is not a singular noun but an adjective to merely say "an alternative to the major party of that side of the political spectrum"
>if alt-right are neo-nazis, why not just call them neo-nazis?
Because the alt-right are not neo-nazis is why. Remember that anyone who is not a part of the state approved political parties is considered as enemies of the state, and must be demonized into viable threats to the sheeple.
Remember the Tea Party, and how they were made out to be racists, and rubes by both parties? Remember how those elected into the Tea Party caucus were treated as being retarded neophytes that did not understand how things work in the DC hierarchy?
While I did not vote in Trump, he is getting the same treatment, and the only thing I can say good about him is that his being elected shows how much disdain the supposed public servants have against real people.
Also this user has it pretty much right >GOP is a bunch of spineless fake lip-service pieces of shit that are part of the "fuck the peasants" uniparty, They'll keep voting (R) and wondering why society keeps drifting left.
Exactly!
I say vote Constitution Party 2018, and put in some real patriots. Everyone worries about getting a third party president in, when in reality that office is useless for change. We need to totally flush the Congressional toilet out by getting rid of the two corporate parties out. They have had enough time ruining this nation.
>"Durr why can't we just dehumanize our opponents and call them nazis?"
The alt right doesn't fucking exist you retard. The Clinton campaign came up with the term so they could demonize any opposition by saying "Alt-Right!" about literally fucking everything.
Because the alt-right aren't neo-Nazis, the left just wants them to be neo-Nazis so badly they construct an elaborate delusion and refuse to interact with anyone or anything that doesn't support their imaginary world.
the altright are so retarded that it would actually cause brand damage to neonazis to be associated with them
No, Richard Spencer came up with the term a decade ago.
because they aren't nazis, they are neocucks
Richard Spencer is also a fucking faggot. Anyone who identifies with him is retarded.
I don't deny that he's a faggot, but he bootybothers the media and keeps the alt-right in the news cycle, so overall it's a net positive.