Holocaust deniers btfo

This is how ridiculos holocaust deniers sound (0.25-1:00)
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Wake up, cucks

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>anecdotal evidence
great thread schlomo

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_H._Glynn

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Nice non argument, trumpfag

>Literally proving me right
Try harder, faggot

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actually the only place the fake version shows up is on denier sites...

I'm just dumping for the newfags, I could care less what you think.

>Try harder, faggot
Why the homophobia?

which one of yous did this?
youtu.be/CpBgy9woV4A?t=67

Because homosexuality is frowned upon in the religion of buddhism, leaf

Got me. I still don't believe 6 million were systematically executed or that gas chambers were used though.

Oi vey Chaim! We know jews have suffered and the goyim owe you shekels forever.

>deniers

Present actual proof of the gassing of millions of jews then.

Not saying that, I just think the claim that it never happened is ridiculous, soyboy

No u

you forgot to include the others that don't say 6 million....as usual
also you forgot to mention that the third article (sept 12 1891) discussing the jewish population of russia says that there are estimates from 4 to 10 milllion, but that a particular pamphlet published the year before estimating 6 million is "probably... most nearly correct."

so what? this shows that the holocaust is fake because sixty years before someone made an estimate of russian jewish numbers? the same number is then used in the next 3 pieces you cite - that sounds reasonable, that was the number of jews in russia and they are articles about russian jews.

again so what?

same for the Oct 20 1904 article and the 1905 , 06, 1910, and 1911 articles.

the 1914 article s say there are about 12 million jews in the world, half of whom are in the war zones of europe - that sounds a bout right

so what? it is six million - and? what significance has this?

same for the 1918 article.

1919 - a report that there were three million jews in Poland (true) and the same in Ukraine (true) which happens to add up to six - wow that is a mathematical oddity right? who knew that three plus three is six? It is all a jewish plot! obviously in 1919 the New York times was plotting the holocaust by using weird fake jewish mathematics!

the 1919 article and those from 1920 are the same story, appeal for help for the central europen jews - who happen to number about 6 million. What did you expect they would do, change the number to suit the weird fantasies of holocaust deniers a hundred years later? (Oy Vey Moshie, you can't say six million again, because in thirty years time that is how many Hitler will kill,and if a hundred years time a neckbeard in New Jersey will think this headline is suspicious" "Really Eli? Who is this Hitler guy? Have you been playing with the time machine again? I told you not to tell anyone about that, it is part of the great Jewish plot to take over the world"

>Not saying that, I just think the claim that it never happened is ridiculous, soyboy

having been there in person, the claim that is was some form of mass mechanised industrial killing machine is also kind of ridiculous.

for instance, those boys there don't seem to be breaking much of a sweat, but you'd have to be literally shoveling coal and bodies 24/7 as fast as possible to get rid of that many bodies.

there are gross anomalies in 'the narrative' - e.g. the lack of the hundreds of tons per day required to incinerate that many bodies. the amount of time it'd take to do.

'holocaust denier' debunking websites claim they were able to cremate people at insane rates by half cremating them - which kind of begs the question, why bother.

there were also much cheaper / easier ways for them to purposefully kill people if need be; e.g. make the gas chamber much, much bigger / blow exhaust from the heating (ovens) into the accommodation blocks during the night. mince the bodies and turn it into animal feed / plow it into the fields.

there is definitely something fishy about the version of events continually put out on the tv; e.g. the entire of the second world war narrative now seems to largely focus on the suffering of the jews, as opposed to anything else whatsoever.

listening to mein kampf (an audio book version of it) is a good idea if you're remotely interested / curious as it paints a rather different version of events / wishes to the version put forward on the tv.

hitler was basically annoyed about germans being expected to bill for the first world war (over a duke being shot), land being borrowed from germany and the influx of marxism.

jews didn't really feature very highly on that list at all.

Six million were not systematically executed. They were rounded up into ghettos, starved, and shipped to slave labour camps. they were shot by the million in the east, from Estonia to the Crimes - the Nazis reported on monthly totals of those killed in Judenaktion, in large type print so Hitler could read it without his glasses. they were killed by brutality, starvation adn overwork, by disease and torture.

but about 2.5 million were killed in deliberate extermination with gas and exhaust fumes. We have the travel orders, the plans for the crematoria adn gas chambers, the gas chambers themselves were demolished but the ruins test positive for cyanaide, the amount of crematoria ovens is eight times higher at Auschwitz for the population ofthe camp than in any other camp - enough to burn a million and half bodies in a year (although they only burneda million in two years)

we have the documents, and the weyewitness testimony, the archaeology, the mass graves, the numbers that the nazis claimed they killed.

it really did happen.

But why do you doubt the gas chambers?

why would anyone still believe such obvious nonsense?

read Raul Hilberg's 1250 page book "the destruction of the european jews"

or come up with an account of what happened to the 3 million Polish Jews (97% died in the war)

what happened to the 900,000 people sent to Treblinka 2,a camp with no accommodation?

what happened to the million sent to auschwitz who were not entered into the labour camp as slaves?

given the fact of the facilities they built for mass murder and body disposal, during wartime, which would have no other use, and the vast amount of eyewitness testimony and documentary evidence, what plausible idea do you have that would contradict that ?

>the lack of the hundreds of tons per day required to incinerate that many bodies.

we do not know that there was a lack of fuel. We have a partial record of fuel deliveries, but that is only partial - we have no idea how much the total delivered was. We also have conflicting accounts of how much fuel the burning took.

we do have letters from the manufacturer saying how many bodies they could burn a day though...
see pic

>the amount of time it'd take to do.

read this paper. Given the technology of the time you could burn a body to bones in 25 minutes - at which time it takes up much less room in the oven, and another body can go it on top. The bones of victim 1 carry on being burned - after 25 minutes in goes victim 3. by the time victim 4 goes in (1 hr 15 mins) the bones of 1 are fine ash, the bones of 2 are reduced to the last few large lumps and three is just bare bones (a mass the size of a football in volume)

with larger ovens capable of taking two or three bodies a time, it is easy to see how these figures of over 4,000 bodies a day in 52 muffles (ovens) can be achieved.

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Jews flooded the USA prior to WW II. Jews have always been highly mobile international merchants.

>Raul Hilberg's 1250 page book "the destruction of the european jews"
is it the one where it's claimed that jews were gassed 30/m^2?

>pretend to be holocaust denier
>post lousy photoshop that will sooner or later be discovered.
>"see guys, they try to deceive us into denying the holocaust! Too bad we're smarter then that huh goys? Nice try nazis!"
>All other evidence suddenly doesn't matter anymore.

Would be the same kind of trickery if holocaust deniers would bring out pic related. But they didn't.

Also holocaust deniers don't deny the existence of the crematoria. So why would they photoshop that?

>there were also much cheaper / easier ways for them to purposefully kill people if need be; e.g. make the gas chamber much, much bigger / blow exhaust from the heating (ovens) into the accommodation blocks during the night.

They built 4 chambers that could take over a thousand people at once. with crematoria in the next room. Killing people in the accommodation blocks would mean having to take the bodies some distance to cremate them (not easy or cheap) also they would need to be undressed (unless you waste their clothes) easier to tell people that they are going for a shower...

if you look at the method used it was highly efficient, and not expensive. Zyklon B was cheap and efficient.

they also used exhaust fumes in some places - much as you suggest.


>mince the bodies and turn it into animal feed / plow it into the fields.

this requires equipment, and transport. animal feed is not just minced, it is dried - so you need complex machinery and heating plant and fuel for those machines, and maintenance for them.

just burning them is fast, hygienic and simple.

How do you do, John, fellow white Irish-Anglo Catholic. It sure must be an honor to side against your own race for the tribe.

>listening to mein kampf (an audio book version of it) is a good idea if you're remotely interested / curious as it paints a rather different version of events / wishes to the version put forward on the tv.
>hitler was basically annoyed about germans being expected to bill for the first world war (over a duke being shot), land being borrowed from germany and the influx of marxism.
>jews didn't really feature very highly on that list at all.


...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.

mosaisk.com/auschwitz/Adolf-Hitler-about-the-Jews.php

>Jews flooded the USA prior to WW II. Jews have always been highly mobile international merchants.
Large-scale Jewish immigration to the United States ended in 1924. (with the very strict anti-immigration laws that went into effect at that time).

You mention eyewitness testimony. Yet there is little if any independent third party corroboration of the survivors' accounts despite the fact that many camp inmates weren't Jewish.

>the vast amount of eyewitness testimony and documentary evidence
Such as?

répond tarlouze

>...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew
Trotzki
Lenin
Yagoda
Ilya Ehrenburg
85% of the first generation of NKVD
Bela Kun
Kurt Eisner and 18 of the 20 revolutionaries trying to create a communist republic in Bavaria
The entire Frankfurt School
All essential Marxist theorists and thinkers except Engels
>not to mention

Holocaust, believe it or not, is a real word.
It is greek word for sacrificial burning.
Sounds familiar?
Now for (((what reason))), were six gorillions sacrificed, by their brethren who were aware of the camps?

not catholic

Nor do I side with any race against another.

i side with the truth - the jews of europe were specifically targeted for extermination. used as slave labour if they were able, murdered if not.

about 5.1 minmum to 6.3 maximum jews in europe and eastern russia died

that is the truth.

you don't have to side with anyone, to tell the truth

also patton was a cunt.

It's not the fact that they use the word holocaust, it's the fact that they use the number six million in conjunction with it numerous times before the war even started.

Yes that photo is the original as well, published by the US army. there is a version without the emaciated man, published by the New york times a few days later - they edited him out because they thought his condition was too shocking to print. these days deniers claim the NYT version is original and the man was photoshopped in, but they are wrong.

so your caption is incorrect - that is not a fake

>not using wheels
all fake

>is it the one where it's claimed that jews were gassed 30/m^2?

I don't think so, but it is a big book, I do not recall every detail - would you have the quotation to hand that shows he claimed that? I
I doubt it . Hilberg was pretty careful with his calculations.

We have the numbers from Treblinka that claim 300 a time in the 25m ^2 chamber - but that is only 12 per square meter, which is a crush, although if you think about the size of the fairly small people that made up the majority of the population then. and a third were children and babies of course.

except that they did not come in millions from Poland or hungary - and they are recorded as being there when the germans invaded. and they are recorded as transported by the germans tot eh camps.

so no, your idea is not in any way near the truth or even plausible

try again.

If you don't think that looks like the dude is cut out and pasted on that photo, you should check yourself.

And it would still not matter because it doesn't disprove the whole denier story just because there are a few rotten apples that try to create fake facts.

How much do they pay you?

What's wrong with denying the holocaust when Jews & Blacks use the holocaustas as a White guilt trip.

there was over 25 tons of documentary evidence at the nuremberg trials from the nazi archives. Not all of it has even been read through now. And more was found.

hundreds of thousands of nazis were deposed. there are also survivors. Of course you could ask Oskar Groening, who has been saying that he saw the trains come in, he saw the selection of the slave labourers, he saw the women and children go to the gas chambers, and he counted the money they took from their clothes and suitcases. he says that anyone who denies this happened is sick in the head.

or you could look at the Auschwitz buildings office files - with the blueprints, the work orders the building reports the inventory, the plans for more crematoria and the improved ovens, the letters from the oven manufacturers about the best way to load multiple bodies and the capacity for use.

Someone literally posted a video about the original.
Get gassed kike.

interestingly, this is an argument i have heard from a jew at a ?UN? conference where he is basically asking each representative, "syria, where are your jews? egypt, where are your jews. jordan, where are your jews?"

this is the same idea applied to the holocaust. that because they can't directly find six million jews, and are expecting them all to be there, that germany must have systematically executed six million jews.

i have also seen the same mistake being made with evidence supposed proving the number of jews executed - a card showing the number of jews in each country, produced by the third reich. the description of the card is that it showed the number of jews executed in each country.

this is blatantly incorrect as it also listed, 300,000 for england. as far as i'm aware, germany never actually invaded the uk. so how they managed to secretly, and very quitely, execute 300,000 jews in the uk is beyond me.

the number also happens to precisely match the number of jews present during the census.

>conflicting accounts, fuel.

a lot.

it's not like an opinion or something manufacturers can easily change, it's inherently fixed by the nature of what's being burnt.

>with crematoria in the next room

i've been in them.

>accommodation blocks, distance

build the crematorium in the basement, add a chute to the building that goes direct to the oven. turn the oven on, gas everyone with monoxide / co2, pull clothes off / push down chute.

>Zyklon B was cheap and efficient.

nah, it's not. by comparison with fuel gas is extremely difficult / complicated to make. you can monoxide yourself accidentally.

>this requires equipment, and transport. animal feed is not just minced, it is dried

shredding and drying tissue is inherently much cheaper / more efficient than burning it.

hence why it's done so often with animals.

Your point is?

I don't remember if that's the one but some twat said that, I think it was him
it's definitely in this one that he said the genocide was " a consensus-mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy "
fucking lol

hollarcrab drainers are just getting theryre snibsnabs

they keep whining about fake genocides
or maybe you believe all these ones happened too?

the world was widely used in the jewish community.

in the way that english people would refer to a mess as being "a shambles"

You do know what that wrord means? - a slaughterhouse.

so when your mother says "your room is a shambles" she does not literally mean it is covered in blood and cow parts.

similarly a holocaust was used to mean any destructive force.

And yes their bretheren were aware of the camps and tried desperately to get the allies to do something about them - and funny enough, Churchill refused. (yes that churchill, the jewish puppet who declared war on germany because the joos said so adn who did everything they said. Oh yes and roosevelt, the Joo puppet who was made to got to war by Joos, he refused to help as well)

and when they said "our people are being murdered, en masse, by gas, or maybe electrocution or it could be exhaust fumes or it might be steam, we are not sure" no one listened. And when the truth was discovered, and it turned out to be gas, and exhaust fumes what happened - idiots on pol say "look they lied they said it was steam or electrocution"

so fuck off with your stupid conspiracy theory.

there were six million jews at risk and yes they used the term before it became associated only with the mass murder in 39-45. big fucking deal.

what do you mean?

you have a thing on rails - it does not need wheels

you drag the bodies with hooks so as not to touch them - don't need wheels

>so fuck off with your stupid conspiracy theory.
says the guy who believes in a genocide without evidence

I can't fucking imagine how delusional someone must be to deny it happened when it affected millions of people, there are hundreds of thousands of eyewitnesses both Jewish and gentile, audio footage of Himmler and passages from the diaries of Goebbels talking about it, tonnes of photographic and physical evidence and the disappearance of almost the entire Jewish population of Eastern Europe. You may as well posit that the whole of World War Two was fake.

Unlike most people I'm glad the Holocaust was fake and if it wasn't we wouldn't have all these funny Jews. They should really take that as a compliment.

How much evidence do you need? Do you question the Holodomor and the Armenian genocide the same way, or do you just question the Jewish genocide because you dislike Jews? Name a single genocide in history more well documented than the Holocaust.

It seems whenever the jews wanted the sympathy of the goyim their go to method was writing articles about six million jews caught up in a holocaust.

The Holocaust never happened.

>I can't fucking imagine how delusional someone must be to deny it happened when it affected millions of people, there are hundreds of thousands of eyewitnesses both Jewish and gentile, audio footage of Himmler and passages from the diaries of Goebbels talking about it, tonnes of photographic and physical evidence and the disappearance of almost the entire Jewish population of Eastern Europe. You may as well posit that the whole of World War Two was fake.

It's all a load of rubbish.

lmao idk if you're a fucking moron or a shill but your understanding of the actual evidence presented is laughable
>How much evidence do you need?
anything would do tbqh
I've been searching for years and haven't found anything though

Why are they holding the body with prongs instead of just picking it up? Is it because the victim died of typhus?

Hilberg was one of the first to suggest (much to the fury of most jews) that the final solution was only gradually arrived at - that it was not the grand plan from 1933 or before, but emerged from the circumstances (oops we have jews in huge numbers in ghettos, what do we do now, because we have no where to send them to? Hmmn, how about work camps? Ok what bout the millions of old, and children and the sick and the frail and the women we don't need... and they are starving and getting diseases because we have half a million in one small ghetto in Warsaw.

ah. Well if they are going to die anyway... and after all we hate them and want them to die...

and the far flung bureaucracy was from a clerk in say France who just did his job, getting jews rounded up and shipped to the big town, and then from there another clerk typed the order to ship to Paris, then from there another sent them off to some place called auschwitz where they were to be re settled or something, not my problem, the only problem is what to do with these buggers we have in the camp and cannot feed...

and the mind reading was that of all organisations run by bullies - the top man says "I don't like jews much" and to impress him the next one down (who is also a bully) says "we should punish jews, or lock them up" and the next (a bully) says " put them all in ghettos" and the next says "beat that man to death for looking at me" and the top mans says "Oh well so what it was just a jew, carry on" and so on it goes, until beating is seen as a good thing to please the boss, and shooting is better, and then, hey I can really impress the boss by coming up with a way to kill lots of them...

which is exactly how it seemed to develop - bosses making oral suggestions to underlings who scrambled to come up with ever better ways to kill jews quickly.

Hitler did not design gas chambers and open air body burnings - those were suggestions from junior officers hoping to get promotion.

>audio footage of Himmler

has anyone ever seen the physical record with that speech on it?

you mean islam, mohammed

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_(sacrifice)

Apart from the evidence for the six million missing, the targeted nature of the round up of jews and their transport to camps and to extermination facilities, the existence of the gas chambers on the ground, in ruins, and all the documentary evidence for them in use, and the various "final Solution" documents.

what lack of evidence?

>mind
>oral
weak

>the amount of crematoria ovens is eight times higher at Auschwitz for the population ofthe camp than in any other camp - enough to burn a million and half bodies in a year
Source for Auschwitz being able to burn over FOUR THOUSAND (4,000) bodies a DAY? Even at 1 hour per body with no time allotted to move the bodies around that that would require 167 ovens

>By the early spring of 1943, four huge crematoria became fully operational at Auschwitz II (Birkenau). They housed eight gas chambers and forty-six ovens that could dispose of some 4,400 corpses per day.
>pbs.org/auschwitz/40-45/killing/
>implying each oven had enough time to burn 95 bodies every day

This shit is a fucking joke. There's no possible way to make the numbers add up.

Oh so it's a morgue now, I thought it was just a shower or a delousing chamber? You deniers are so certain that it wasn't a gas chamber, what it was though you don't seem to know.

>How much evidence do you need?

i don't deny that the concentration camps existed and that they did end up basically working / starving people to death. and that mass graves exist.

however the narrative put forward, the six / several million people systematically executed is also odd.

a few million bodies would be a good start on actually proving that. there is a big difference between tens of thousands of bodies and millions.

the narrative is that hitler basically started ww2 just because he didn't like jews very much and wanted to exterminate them all. the reality is very different, even if the end result was mass graves, containing tens of thousands of people.

there is also complete radio silence on what triggered the change from deportation of primarily marxists to what is referred to as the holocaust. the triggering was the third reich discovering that the zionist federation was conspiring to cripple germany. what did they get for that? a piece of paper from the uk saying essentially "yeah... israel should be recognised as a state, provided it doesn't inconvenience the locals". there is zero questioning what so ever over the jews that made that decision, that essentially sold out or gambled with the lives of the jews living in germany at the time. had they not done that, things would likely have turned out very differently.

>Name a single genocide in history more well documented than the Holocaust.

the world wars themselves.

almost the entire focus is based purely on the holocaust, somewhat disregarding the quantity of the populations that died fighting in those wars. for effectively, not a whole lot.

WE WUZ ANNE FRANK N SHEEIT

yes that is the shot shown in the NYT - not the original photo, which is shown in the picture I posted

>it's not like an opinion or something manufacturers can easily change, it's inherently fixed by the nature of what's being burnt.

so what, in your opinion, is that amount?

Look at the Kurt Prufer document, in 1942 Auschwitz has the ability to burn 80,000 corpses per month and this was an insufficient number.

>Apart from the evidence for the six million missing,
lol no
>the targeted nature of the round up of jews
that actually happened
>and their transport to camps
that too
>and to extermination facilities,
false
>the existence of the gas chambers on the ground,
lmao with wooden doors?
>in ruins, and all the documentary evidence for them in use,
are you just saying that because you think it exists or are you trying to confidence trick me?
>and the various "final Solution" documents.
which referred to "Judenevakuierung"

>i've been in them.
no you have not

the Krema 2-5 were demolished.

you have not been in them

There were 9.5 million Jews in Europe before the war, after the war there was less than 3.5 million, I wonder what happened?

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Did the holocaust happen? Yes or no.

lol is that real?
>Oh so it's a morgue now,
it always was
>I thought it was just a shower or a delousing chamber?
you thought wrong
>You deniers are so certain that it wasn't a gas chamber, what it was though you don't seem to know.
you didn't pay attention, did you? what a dumb cunt you are

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>build the crematorium in the basement, add a chute to the building that goes direct to the oven. turn the oven on, gas everyone with monoxide / co2, pull clothes off / push down chute.

wow.

you think that is better than build the gas chamber beside the crematorium and get people to take their own clothes off before killing them. ?

Ok you method would work, but is it so much better? does the other method make no sense at all? also, to make it plausible you have to have all these people in beds - that are soiled when they die and let out their bowels so you have to clean it up for the next lot... and destroy the bedlinen and the clothes that are soiled.

no I think the Nazi method is simpler and better.

I hope your mother died / will die in front of you slowly.

Only one of those answers can get you sent to jail in several nations, so what do you think?

A bit late to the party mate, that argument has been debunked several times in this thread already. Still it's hilarious that they've doubled down on the whole newspaper argument even though it's one of the most retarded arguments for Holocaust denial and it doesn't even directly relate to the Holocaust.

proof

In Poland you can now go to jail for saying that there were Polish death camps, I suppose that means that Polish death camps really did exist?

>also patton was a cunt
but user, you're just a soft pussy

and yes they did use exhaust fumes in some places (actually the majority of those gassed were killed by exhaust fumes) But the pesticide works and they had it by the crate load. ... and the structures test positive for cyanide


>hence why it's done so often with animals.
no it is done to make food for other animals, not because it is cheaper to do. you can make money from selling the food.

also, all your argument shows is that there are alternatives - not even necessarily better alternatives. they didn't do it the way you have dreamed up, so what?

if they did do it that way i bet some fool would be saying "what a crock, why didn't they just gas them and cremate them, much less messy, needs no complex machines, and you get good fertiliser ash from it - cheaper and easier, not this weird animal food lie"

>Trotzki
murdered by reds
>Lenin
not a jew
>Yagoda
arrested and killed by reds
>Ilya Ehrenburg
never said anything about raping german women, that is a hoax quote
>85% of the first generation of NKVD
source please
>Bela Kun
what evils did he do?
>Kurt Eisner and 18 of the 20 revolutionaries trying to create a communist republic in Bavaria
how are they worse than Hitler and his revolutionaries who tried to overthrow the democratically elected govt in Bavaria?
>The entire Frankfurt School
said nothing about feminism, transgender or against white people

>hitler was basically annoyed about germans being expected to bill for the first world war (over a duke being shot), land being borrowed from germany and the influx of marxism
And he blamed Jews for all that, how can you claim they didn't feature highly? I don't think you've read the book.

>It's up to the holocaust deniers to prove that the holocaust didn't happen.

oh boy

Reynouard has
sansconcessiontv.org/phdnm/video-pourquoi-les-allemands-ont-dynamite-les-crematoires-dauschwitz/
fake numbers
>debunked
lol
it was "debunked by showing that kikes didn't only whine about imaginary 6 million jews, they also whine about imaginary 5 and 7 million jews
idk about you but to me that's irrefutable evidence that kikes are trustworthy

those are german corpses, not kikes

>and yes they did use exhaust fumes in some places
They claim diesel fumes were used but I find that hard to believe because running a diesel engine rich enough to get CO gas also produces that black sooty smoke that will cake onto surfaces and is anything but discrete.

>no evidence

define what you would accept as evidence, first.

>saves a hilarious image made by a moron who thinks HCN gas is inherently volatile

why are deniers so stupid, hmm?

>shilling an image that has been debunked

you're making this easy for me today.