Kado

Why did they kill him and what was up with all the blullshit reasoning?

He was a dangerous information junkie, he needed to get NTR'd out of our universe.

how is the one they replaced him with better? What good about losing all the technology? is having a 16 year old raised in isolation commit a murder a good parenting move?

The series realized natural development was the way to go instead of rapid bursts to satisfy some retard's information fix.
The technology was crap in the series, it didn't even bother to show a single negative consequence.

>The series realized natural development was the way to go instead of rapid bursts to satisfy some retard's information fix.
There is a middle ground. also I don't believe people somehow become worthy of technology, it just is. your great-grandfather is no less worthy of the internet than you.
>The technology was crap in the series, it didn't even bother to show a single negative consequence.
would have been easy to show someone accidentally burn away their life in a time dilation or companies forcing people to work crazy hours because they don't need sleep(electricity is not where the human needs end). someone falling into endless sleep because another version of them kept staying up all the time.
>time
is has not been long seen technology was added but I would have liked to see some African village get a lights out because the zookeeper thinks "natural" is the way to go, maybe someones pacemaker stopping because they chose to power it with a wam

>literally everyone forgot about this show just 1 (ONE) day after
Sad!

>is has not been long seen technology was added but I would have liked to see some African village get a lights out because the zookeeper thinks "natural" is the way to go, maybe someones pacemaker stopping because they chose to power it with a wam
That small scene with the two brothers was super cute and heart warming too.

>Saudi Arabia has less money to fund terrorism with because rip Big Oil
>Don't have to deal with horrible power plant's impacts on workers and environment anymore. Free to instead use Wam and invest fully into Green Energy
>Developing countries around the world can now skip horribad stages of energy/industry
>Electricity
>God damn Electricity though look how happy they are
>Thanks Shindo thanks Tsukai
>All those Environmental activists happy about a future with drastically less pollution
>Literal impoverished children in Africa probably used Wam to improve their lives and the lives of other around them, and now they're fucked again.

Rest in peace.

It still sucks that they spent the entire series endearing this character to the audience only to put him through such a cruel and unusual death, and didn't even try to work with him to find an alternative solution.
We're right, you're wrong, so instead of trying to find a middle ground, we're just going to kill you. Even if Shindo's original plan had worked, he still would have been trapped in the isolator for eternity, which isn't a much better fate.

I can't believe you guys managed to sit through all that CGI. You're like tasmanian devils of anime consumers: you can digest any fucking rotten piece of shit.

>and didn't even try to work with him to find an alternative solution

In the case you didn't realize it Shindo is evil. He forced his daughter and his best friend in isolation for 16 years for his selfish desires

This series was absolute trash, one of the worst anime I've ever watched, it ended up being literally worse than Eromanga Sensei.

The sooner people forget about it the better

The definition of wasted potential.
Meh, the CGi was one of the redeeming qualities. The animation was consistently top-notch.

>All those Environmental activists happy about a future with drastically less pollution

To be fair, free infinte energy also means adding more and more energy to a limited system. A drastic increase in energy consumption would heat up the planet, because most energy is lost as heat with our current technology.
I don't think environmental activists are too happy about that.

The author was right. I didn't expect this ending, even with the time fuckery being shown. I'm really upset still.

>the CGi was one of the redeeming qualities

Fucking disgusting. Yea it was "well done" CGI, and the stills looked fine, but any movement immediately looked like a PS1 cutscene. Get some god damned taste you insufferable plebeian.

except
>ONE guy misuses the Nanomis-hein on purpose or accidentally
>the earth and/or mankind is annihilated in an instant

Shhhhhh you can't stop people from wanking to the barebones "sci-fi".

How the fuck did we go from potential AOTS to the worst anime of the season?

But where is the correlation between knowing they were up to something and being prepared for it?

That could literally happen now with nukes.

Except not every asshole can make a nuke if they think really hard about it.

Is it that easy to make a nuke with Wam though?

This used to be my AOTS before this disgusting final episode, now Tsuki Ga Kirei is my AOTS while Kado can go fuck itself.

I hope Toei fucking burns to the ground

They don't address that during the show, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say 'anisotropic' as if that explains anything.

>Everything goes fine
>Yellowstone erupts or the meteors hit or Trump Trumps Trump
>The earth and/or mankind of annihilated in an instant

Toei Animation are truly the scum of the anime industry. If ruining classic series with QUALITY wasn't enough, they also ruin their potentially good anime. Jesus Christ fuck them, fuck those pieces of shit.

Why do Japs keep fucking up this concept again and again?

First, it was Gate and now it was this. All I want is a show where a political drama about a government/society realistically reacts to cool fantasy/sci-fi elements introduced to it, but Japs keep derailing it with drama and conservatism for the sake of conservatism.

The heating problem is literally one of the few drackbacks explicitly indicated in the show.

How much of the trainwreck was Toei and how much was Nozaki?
From a technical and artistic standpoint, Kado was stellar from start to finish. The direction, animation, and soundtrack were brilliant. The writing, on the other hand, was where it fell flat.
So tell me, who was in the wrong here?
The guy who wrote this crap? Or the studio who did their best to polish a turd?

The animation wasn't that good, though. Better than Berserk, sure.

>the natives are fucking retarded and need to bow down to the whims of a literally pure lily white saviour to solve all their problems for them
>it's okay if many, even most, of the natives die because the natives will be preserved in some form in the end
>uncritically accepting the rule of this lily white saviour will grant the native civilizations 'uplift'
>if you don't believe in this you're a conservative

does every kid/terrorist/idiot/mental case in the world have their personal nuke collection that they can just fire away at will?
do missile defense systems not exist anywhere?
is the nanomis-hein undoubtedly of larger destructive capability than any human weapon in existence?

not according to this retard, apparently

I am talking about the "this is the right way because it is the way of our people and it always has been" logic that served as the special snowflake's logic to justify ruining uplifting for all of humanity instead of trying to negotiate a way in which we could keep the awesome tech and also not die, when she and the protag were both supposed to be amazing negotiators.

The fact that the villain ended up a bland character that had to have a secret, completely absurd agenda, that required the deaths of thousands of millions, and thus made negotiating useless is precisely a sign of the closemindedness of the author.

i prefer to think he got infected by the earthlings and their informations, he even exhibits emotions in the end like jealously, anger and fear

Kado was an allegory for the current crisis Japan is undergoing as it faces increased foreign cultural influence and declining birthrates.
The anisotropic represents the siren call of information from different dimensions (representing current Japan's addiction to 2D media). Japan needs to fight against being absorbed completely by the anisotropic otherwise it will lose itsself.
zaShunina represents the evil of non-breeding, not homosexuality per se, but the temptation to be a non-productive, non-child producing individual who does little to contribute to the preservation of Japanese culture and society for the future.
The anisotropic temptation was overcome by the worthy act of procreation which allows the Japanese people to continue as a nation.
In a nutshell - BE PRODUCTIVE. MAKE BABIES.

>invest fully into Green Energy
Why would you invest in something you already have?
again middle ground. If it does not fall into common peoples hands than you will just have rotten status quo extending itself into forever

If they could draw energy out of 40D how hard to send them back really?

so what are the chances that 1 guy kidnapped bunch of kids from a hospital and then started his own fucked up empire in a time bubble, he was the only one there with all the power

I assumed they could visit him in isolation. after all did not they hide in a cube like that?
>cruel
The last nail was when they would not even let him near shindo's body for goodbye. it ends on "yeah I guess he was not such a bad guy after all. we still fucked him up good, brah"

that can't be good for the girls mental health. also they skipped it over but it makes no sense. Its like saying breeding a human with a monkey would produce a super human, that is some forbidden research. The made a kid for the kid just to be a tool for their goal and somehow they controlled that super kid for 16 years and somehow she inherently had all the skills and knowledge

Its one of the cases where gay ending would have been the best ending

Finished it and what a waste of potential. Just too many plot points kill it, not even counting how it ended.

>Anisotropic beings spell out that humanity is the only thing that makes the universe interesting
>Anisotropic beings focus on earth and one decides to come before life on earth begins

This series would have been better if the Anisotropics would have just been an alien species 1000+ years ahead of us than the '40D creators of the universe but still wuv my hasubando' nonsense.

Aerosoltopics like novel data. The universe produces novel data because of its boundary conditions, humans produce a lot as sapients exploring those boundaries, but won't create new information forever because those boundaries make it finite. Hypercuck disapproves and plans to preserve humans so they can make him endless bread and books by removing everything differentiating them from the other beings he was already bored of since forever, and he's hunted down and obliterated by sheer radiance of het for being fundamentally dumb. The ephemerality theme is so unsubtle that a character is named after it on screen.

Because they don't want to play it straight, they are always looking for the next twist and it just does not play. I cant get fired up about them gunning down some romans or impressing them, that works when 1 person go into the past, does not work when he has the whole society behind him.
>political drama about a government
most of the time they can't write that for shit, instead they go for basic stuff and exaggerate its importance. They also like playing it safe, never dealing with implications, instead just having info dumbs about organizational structure

>From a technical and artistic standpoint, Kado was stellar from start to finish.
it was ok. it had its style, even if everyone having pharaoh eyelashes got old

Tsukai is cute. CUTE

kind of a side note but why did not they solve mental illness? I mean it would be insulting and there is a question of what constitutes mental health but is it any more insulting that just waving away sleep and energy crisis ?

That would have been an interesting conflict to explore in the series. Much better than the shitty conflict we got actually got, where the antagonist had some retarded plan that might kill off all humans at best and the protagonists wanted to eliminate all his technology because it is just not supposed to exist.

if we go by this show and this analysis how do I impregnate the anisotropic ?
> non-productive, non-child producing individual who does little to contribute to the preservation of Japanese culture and society for the future.
except our hero got his best friend to raise his kid for him. This does not speak of productivity or strong family ethic. They had very utilitarian use for the kid and then it fucked off. while the best find was raising this kid he never got to have kids of his own and is already past his prime

This, also maybe stick with 2 gifts. wam to draw people in and sansa to make them sumptuous of mental alteration. untill the end we did not see anything suspicious that would create suspense. We also did not see a lot of none human behavior, Anisotropic avatar just acted like a guided doll until the very end, it had wisdom to be considered of everyone/plan for reactions/get help/etc yet could not deal with muh feels

>Hypercuck disapproves and plans to preserve humans so they can make him endless bread and books by removing everything differentiating them from the other beings he was already bored of since forever, and he's hunted down and obliterated by sheer radiance of het for being fundamentally dumb.
kind of true.near the end I expected him to say that if he can't take people to the Aerosoltopics , he would drag the Aerosoltopics to earth (so they could do cute boy things)

the ex wife(?) seemed cuter

>If we can draw energy out of coal how hard is it to turn energy back into coal

we don't draw energy out of coal. I agree that "just revers the polarity" sounds like a crap they pull in low grade stories but I think you get what he really means.

>natural development

Like any other scientific researcher (except maybe some miserable people working for the DoD) I wake up every day hoping to make a major breakthrough, that it doesn't happen is just a regrettable consequence of us humans not being that smart.

+ there is also the ago old question of what is natural.

>natural development
The thing is, the actual idea of artificially pushing us forward with the three gifts was never actually proven to be a bad thing by the show.
The only reason it failed was not because 'we weren't ready for it', it's because Anisotropic Romeo couldn't restrain himself for another 1000 years or so after waiting around for 20 billion years in the first place.
The moral of the story wasn't that 'we couldn't handle it,', it's that 'He couldn't handle it.'

>Hanamori
>a cuck stupid enough to raise Human/Alien hybrid for 16 years to btfo Fujos and Homos

Not sure whether to pity or laugh at Hanamori

>kill
Ejected from 3rd.
He is still in the upper dimensions. Even Shindo family is in the upper dimensions now(showing Saraka at the end disappearing in bright light after realizing what her daughter said).

Why would you think that zaShunina won't be there?

>show starts with shallow pseudo-science
>show ends with shallow pseudo-science
>wasted potential
Only people who are too dumb to realize that the setting is in an unstable ground to begin with ends up feeling that the plot progression disappointing.
And probably fujos as well because the show happened to end with a pair they don't like.

There's no such thing as free lunch.
If a foreign entity offers you so, then you'll be dumb not to expect that it wants something in return.
If it doesn't explicitly state what exactly that it wants to you, then there's a high chance that what it wants is not a good thing for you.

The series wants to tell the viewers not to rely or assume help from foreign entities.
Misrepresenting that and dumb it down to 'conservatism for the sake as conservatism' just because you happened to disagree with the message is just plain dishonest.

Be Xenophobic. Got it, Japan. The Neofeudal shall come.

so you saying that his punishment for trying to forcefully evolve people was to be forcefully evolved beyond death? to a "dimensions " where all humans seem to go anyway?

>never actually proven to be a bad thing by the show
True, but you'll have to be naive to not see that it will eventually cause negative disruptions to the society.
Preventing that from happening is a necessity. Humans can experiment more about them when they actually know more about what they're actually doing.

This thread is for the discussion of the anime. If you don't agree with a particular ideology you can discuss is at length in the appropriate board.

its just your jaded side talking. Just because something is unlikely to happen or has never happen before does not mean it can't happen.
>Misrepresenting
they thew away even the good. also never asked the will of the people

>know more about what they're actually doing
so ask for a book instead of the device

I think this is one of the worst endings in anime I have ever seen.

Copy pasta.


The wam, all the gifts
- it's like it never fucking happened.

Hanamori and Yukika
- why the hell did they need Hanamori to raise Yukika? I understand Shindo trying to not look older but what about Tsukai? Can she stay young forever?
It would explain why Yukika doesn't seem to give a shit about her parents. She doesn't even acknowledge her mother and doesn't even look sad that Shindo is dead. Then she proceeds to fuck off. It's like she is telling them "this is all you wanted me to do? I am done, I am leaving" what a fucking sad family.

Shindo probably just used her mother so that he could have a backup plan and Yukika probably knows that's the whole purpose of her existence and Tsukai probably figure it out too eventually considering she grew up having an actual loving father and a real family instead of the bullshit they put her through. Plus she just stood there and didn't do shit. Also fuck Natsume for saying that Hanamori is not Yukika's father. He is the closest thing Yukika has for a family and that's sad.

Show about negotiations
- shonen fight end.

It's bad end for everyone

>show starts with slow SoL with minor political themes about some guy who talks his way out of problems
>show ends with the protagonist having his timetraveling "infinity+1 dimensional" daughter that we had never seen before punch a hole into a villain with a motivation that made no sense, while his girlfriend/wife/author self-insert justified with anti-scientific drivel about how the natural way is the best way, without giving minor scrutiny to the implications of such logic

>It would explain why Yukika doesn't seem to give a shit about her parents. She doesn't even acknowledge her mother and doesn't even look sad that Shindo is dead. Then she proceeds to fuck off. It's like she is telling them "this is all you wanted me to do? I am done, I am leaving" what a fucking sad family.
1. she was not raised normally. 2. her dad is not really dead to her because as a super special being she can talk to the dead in their dimension. She does not give a fuck because she is a mix, like Tsukai she may not see the difference between a clone and a real thing and is only going by what she has been told.

>Just because something is unlikely to happen or has never happen before does not mean it can't happen.
I imply nothing of the sort. Expecting something and knowing something is a completely different concept.

In the series, Japan decided to bet against that while the UN did otherwise.
The show only progresses to show the most likely outcome in the setting.

>they thew away even the good. also never asked the will of the people
Saraka asked her daughter to disable them as to being responsible by preventing all the various negative affect the gifts can have to humanity.
True there might be a positive effect as well. But this just describes that she rather prevent the negative than allow the positive. Which is an entirely justifiable action for one's character in terms of responsibility.

Sure, point that to them if there's a new anisotropic being that'll visit at a later date.

Im saying there is a middle ground. Saraka did not pick the best option, even from the alarmist point of view she picked the extreme

From the moment they went into Kado in the airplane (which is at the end of ep 0) it is shallow pseudo-science bullshit.
The Wam and Sansa only affirms to that more.

>New anisotropic comes by
>color pallet the same as zaShunina, but the light and darks are reversed
>slightly more spiky hair
>drags zaShunina along
>zaShunina a neurotic mess

>The last nail was when they would not even let him near shindo's body for goodbye.
That was the second to last nail. The last nail was the sight of his bookmark vaporizing as the last thing he got to see before dying.

That is for the character in the series to make the choice.
Saraka's choice might not be optimal in everyone's interpretation because it doesn't need to be that way in terms of storywriting.
It only has to be justifiable, and her actions is perfectly justifiable.
Whether she asked her daughter to disable the gifts out of responsibility to prevent a preventable potential disaster or whether she believed that humans would be better of to reach that level technology by themselves.

It kind of does. The Tropersphere sucks so much that Earth is the coolest thing they've ever perceived and it would interfere with development in any other direction.

>zaShunina a neurotic mess
somehow I want to see this

it kind of does not because its implied they have unlimited amount of earths. Changing a few in hopes of it leading to new info seems just like that they usually do

>If a foreign entity offers you so, then you'll be dumb not to expect that it wants something in return.
The start of the fucking show had the protagonist talk about how negotiation is about finding a way in which all parts can fulfill their interests. That is a correct assessment of real world politics, foreign or internal parties be involved. It would have been nice to see the author creating a situation where that would have come into play.

But no, the villain HAD to have a plan that involved risking the lives of ALL humanity, possibly to gain nothing, and showing no patience to achieve it despite perceiving time much differently than humans. JUST so there was no option but telling the foreign entity to fuck off.

It is conservatism for the sake of conservatism because the antagonist is given a goal that the protagonist wouldn't ever consider letting him achieve, and the effects of the antagonist's intervention on humanity are dismissed without giving them the slightest scrutiny. The female lead's logic makes no sense and she looked in the wrong right until the villain admitted he didn't really care about sacrificing all humans for a small chance of getting one into the anisotropic. Had the work portrayed the destructive effects of the alien technology on the world, or had the antagonist been given a more realistic goal, then it might be a properly justified stance on isolationism. But it was not.

He'd possibly look around nervously, keep his hands close to his chest or mouth, and tail very closely to the new anisotropic as if it will protect him.

Why the fixation on pseudo-science? Change everything to "magic" and the plot collapse is equally bad.

Jesus, what a waste of time.

Can't believe they actually ruined this series. The ending was utter shit.

it is not show as the character choice, it is shown as the moral of the story.

I still like the proposed S2 that follows Yukika meeting zaShunina again some time down the road (who at this point is just so fucking depressed he can barely function, but Earth is still better than Novo at this point), and the two of them developing an odd, melancholy kinship over both being unique entities with nowhere to belong.

is his new body gender bent?

>negotiation is about finding a way in which all parts can fulfill their interests
True, and when the other party hides or avoid their interests, then there's a good chance that the other party is aware that his interests contradicts yours.

>Had the work portrayed the destructive effects of the alien technology on the world
It does shows but not explicitly. In fact, it would only be naive to assume infinite power, time/space manipulator or mental anisotropic won't have disastrous effects on the world.

>antagonist been given a more realistic goal
What other goal/interest for an anisotropic being has that one would classify as realistic?
The entity has been living since the start of the universe and human concepts such as mortality wouldn't regard to him properly.
His goals/interest might not seem realistic to you or humans in the series, but the same cannot be said to an anisotropic being.

>risking the lives of ALL humanity, possibly to gain nothing
Again same as above.

Sure, change it to magic. I was contesting the poster that label the show wasted potential because of the 'magic' plot progression on ep 10 when the show was using silly 'magic' from the start to begin with.

Sure, the moral of the story was
>Whether she asked her daughter to disable the gifts out of responsibility to prevent a preventable potential disaster or whether she believed that humans would be better of to reach that level technology by themselves.

If you disagree with the moral of the story then cool.
But it's still dishonest to dismiss it as 'conservatism for the sake as conservatism' just because you don't happen to agree with it.

>Scattered about his feet lay countless crumpled pieces of paper, some vaguely resembling creatures, but not quite. All failed attempts to recreate something he had seen before--origami animals made by unsteady hands that had never been properly taught how to fold the paper. Like he had seen the finished products, but never learned how to get to that point.
>The man looked diminished and frail in his oversized cloak, white hair falling from beneath his hood to obscure his face. At a glance, he must appear an old man--for who else could exude such melancholy of a long life wasted? But I knew. I had met him before.

>But it's still dishonest to dismiss it as 'conservatism for the sake as conservatism' just because you don't happen to agree with it.
what more was to it than "I would like my dad to keep doing his metal art, even if the time is moving past him" just on a bigger scale

>to disable the gifts out of responsibility to prevent a preventable potential disaster or whether she believed that humans would be better of to reach that level of technology by themselves

WE WUZ ANISOTROPIC N SHIT

except the gifts are a metaphor for railways and cellphones.

>hood
The cloak has a good on it?

Railways and cellphones can't offer unlimited energy nor manipulate time/space.

don't be mean.

yes.

>fujobait of the season
>people can't write properly
Sasuga fujos.

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