Why Should I Contribute to American Society

Seriously, as far as I can tell all you get for working really hard in America is minimum wage paycheck that you can barely survive on. You will never be able to afford a house or nice car, never be able to travel, never be able to retire comfortably, the only person that is going to benefit off of you putting in extra effort is your boss, CEO, business owner, and shareholders.

Why would I want to work extra hard and contribute to a society like that? I don't even get to benefit off my own hard labor.

If the rules of the system were not stacked against workers so much and I could benefit from extra effort I put in, then I would want to contribute to society more. But as it is, I really do not wish to work hard in America because it isn't going to help me get ahead in our current system. It only helps others that are lazy: Bankers, business owners, CEO's, shareholders, bosses, etc.

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So have you ever worked before/are you currently working?

yeah, whereas with communism no one would get ahead. much better alternative.

Yeah, I work. But I do the bare minimum.

Send the lazies that try to ride on others coat tales within the communist system to the gulags.

The fact of the matter is most people coast through life and blame the world around them for their problems.

>institute communism
>being a lazy piece of shit or half-assing your work is economically incentivized
>send millions to gulags
>population is starving and dies in line for bread

Communists aren't people.

Society values experience, education, and skillsets that must be proven in ways other than continuous menial hard labor. These things are attained through college, vocational school, certifications, connections, etc. If you have none of these and still blame the system then you are really the only one at fault.

Sometimes those claims are founded in truth. The rules of the system in America really are stacked against the common worker and in favor of the wealthy. That's how the wealthy stay wealthy. They don't work harder, they just tip the rules in their favor by using money to corrupt the system.

And what if you have one or more of those and the system is still shit?

>Seriously, as far as I can tell all you get for working really hard in America is minimum wage paycheck


Do something that pays more than minimum wage? If you fancy yourself of 'average intelligence' it should be no problem to earn 'average income'.

If you can't figure out how to do this, you are below average intelligence. You need to sit down and figure out what you are going to do with your life. Do it sooner than later.

How the fuck are CEO's 'lazy'? All the occupations you mentioned involve fierce competition and competence to achieve success at. This is pure dunning kruger. You literally don't understand how little you actually know about life.

Remember that if there were no such thing as jobs you would have to build your own hut and throw spears at squirrells in order to acquire the means to survive. No one escapes working. Find something you can deal with that pays well. It's something everyone has to do.

and the nonviolent political opponents too? my great grandfather did 15 years of forced labor in coal mines... for writing and distributing anti-communist literature. my family was watched and persecuted until the very end of the regime

i don't know if you're so naive and retarded but the notion that socialism hasn't really been tried is inaccurate. it obviously has, but people aren't so dumb to succumb to it, so strict restrictions had to be put in place to keep them in check.

You're supposed to work hard towards a good career. I went to school, got a shitty entry level job, and worked hard to get better and better jobs. I make close to 100k now, it took me close to 10 years after graduating college to do it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment

Please try to understand that you have fallen into a death spiral of justifying your own weaknesses by identifying your source of envy as objectively inferior, serving as a defense mechanism that prevents you from addressing and overcoming your insecurities and flaws.

The answer is always to make yourself into better. It's hard but it is the cross every boy must carry on his way to becoming a man. This self defeating commie shit is just weakness, stop feeding it, for your own good. I believe in you.

Your grandfather was a cuck of the bourgeoisie or wanna be bourgeoisie himself. He was a greed filled fuck that wanted to make lots of money to lord over people. Fuck your grandfather.

Are you seriously one of those "cross everyone must carry" cuck fans of that professor.

Yeah, that is very idealistic and weak drivel. It basically boils down to "work hard, better yourself, and still get fucked by the ruling class in the end."

well with that logic, in today's America, it would be fair to lock up autistic retards like you for having anti-system opinions.

People didn't have that kind of privilege back then. And they actually weren't retarded.

>And what if you have one or more of those and the system is still shit?

Then you are just blaming a 'shitty system' as a way to excuse yourself from having to apply yourself and burn any calories. The 'system' allows for mobility in a way no other system does, but you have to show up and be useful to society in some way that results in $$$ for it to reward you money.

If you don't want money or luxuries, simply opt out. Plenty of bright people settle for few luxuries in order to pursue non-money making activities. Just remember it's your choice you are making. No one owes you things for simply existing and consuming things.

Yep, I have anti-corrupt system opinions. Sue me or put me on a watch list.

Even Cuban rafters come to north america and make money, buy houses and cars and travel the world

Go fuck yourself and work

Then don't get fucked by the imaginary 'ruling class'. I'm a nurse. I get paid decently for rather easy work. I'm not getting fucked by anyone. The problem is you straight up think you deserve money for nothing and justify it by imagining that those who have more only have it because they are evil somehow.

If you were clever as you imagine yourself to be, you would be able to figure out how to get to a comfy place in life. HALF OF THE COUNTRY makes 'average income' by definition and you're telling me you can't? It's possible you are just dumb as a brick.

I'm not saying that capitalism is good. It's just much less shit than communism. If you were vocal about having anti-corrupt system opinions in a communist regime, you wouldn't last long

I do work. Probably harder than you muhammad. But the American system is a hell for minimum wage workers. And a heavy portion of all jobs are minimum wage due the capitalistic race to the bottom.

>Why Should I Contribute to American Society
Why do you think i about you do? Want to form a communist caliphate go ahead. You can take everything left of the rio grande and let us have our fashy ethnostate

You're a fucking loser that doesn't make money

GET SKILLZ and find a better job you cocksucker

Well you said business owners are lazy, therefore their job must be easier than yours since you 'work hard'. Why work a minimum wage job when you could just take the easy way out and operate a couple businesses?

Answer: It requires too much work and you aren't smart enough so you would rather cling to your resentment and imagine your failures as a sign of muh opression instead of applying your micro brain in a constructive way.

And that is my problem how?

Communism never had the opportunity to see if it could really work well without outsider interference trying to destroy it. I am not one of those cucks that says "true communism has never been tried," but I do realize that the US was trying to meddle in and subvert the Soviet Union during the cold war. Communism should be tried without outside sources trying to fuck it up on purpose. But that may never happen because the ruling class does not want the people to see that communism may be a viable option.

If you're in your 20s "working hard" for minimum wage you are fucking stupid. You probably have a below average IQ.

GET SKILLZ YOU COCKSUCKER

You make garbage money because MILLIONS of other losers can do the same job you do, OR BETTER

(McDonald's/delivery guy)

I know nurses have easy jobs and are over paid. I am an oil field laborer. I work harder than you, probably contribute more to society, yet you still get paid a lot more. WTF is that bullshit? Just because you are same lazy bitch that wipes old mens asses and cleans their bed pans makes you better than the common worker that literally supports the infrastructure out society depends on?

Start working in a trade, you not only get paid in money but learn a valuable skill. Save up enough to buy your own tools and start your own business. Then all the advantages businesses get will go to you. Being a worker is the dumbest lowest pleb tier thing you can do.

>I'm mad that some people are successful. I categorize all of them as 'oppressors'.
>I call myself oppressed to make my failure seem like it's not mu own fault. It makes me feel like the good guy.
>I can't improve my situation because then I would have to stop thinking of myself as 'oppressed' and would no longer be as 'good' a person.

Start by admitting that you can't do what successful people do and that everything in your life is happening because of decisions you made or have failed to make.

Repeat this phrase like a mantra: "I could be a millionaire, no one is stopping me and people would probably help me. I just don't want to do the work involved, it's a choice I'm making, not an evil system."

This. Working hard payed off very well for me, while most of my co-workers just do the bare minimum and constantly bitch about their stagnating salary. Some even have the gall to think that the boss should pay them more BEFORE they work harder. I have to say that I'm lucky having a boss that is very fair and transparent when it comes to pay raises and bonuses.

>Communism never had the opportunity to see if it could really work well without outsider interference trying to destroy it.
Gee. It's almost like two different ways of organizing resources were competing for power and influence.

>I do realize that the US was trying to meddle in and subvert the Soviet Union during the cold war.
The Soviets did the same damn thing, and arguably had a better psyops program than the US.

>But that may never happen because the ruling class does not want the people to see that communism may be a viable option.
The key word in this sentence is "may." Given communism's track record I'm inclined to think no, it will not be a viable option.

>I am an oil field laborer.
>I'm making minimum wage
y u lyn?

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>gommunism was never tried!
>im not saying communism was never tried!

pick one liar.

>US was trying to meddle in and subvert the Soviet Union during the cold war.

Cool. So I suppose the soviet union was a raging success of communism prior to the cold war?

So is everyone supposed to be a business owner? No you fucking retard. The world needs workers, and if the world needs regular workers, then they should be compensated fairly.

You're somewhat correct. Communism is not possible because people are selfish. By that I mean people are only loyal to their immediate families and maybe their close circle of friends, but not so much with strangers or acquaintances.

Wrong. I started working 9 years ago. 60 hours a week minimum wage to support myself at 17 years old. Then my wage increased to 8:10, then 9, then 11.20, then 13 + commission, now I am making 18.65 per hour, and getting 10 hours of overtime per week (Overtime paying 27 and change). I bust ass non-stop and make a reputation for myself as the best worker. This year, I'll be salaried and will increase my annual earnings by over 70%.

Work hard and you will prosper.

>all you get for working really hard in America is minimum wage paycheck

Confirmed for never having worked at all. If you're making minimum wage it's either because 1) Your IQ is too low for you to have applied your accumulated work experiences into a skillset 2) are addicted to drugs or 3) not working at all

I got a no-skill job making 42k a year with no degree because I showed up to an interview wearing a suit I got for $5 at a thrift store and smiled. If you can't even manage that, then you're a fucking mongoloid who deserves to be poor.

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Isn't a business owner just another worker?
What good is having a body without a head and vice versa?

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ask for a raise. if you are as irreplacable as you seem to think you are, you ought to have them by the balls.

>Just because you are same lazy bitch that wipes old mens asses and cleans their bed pans makes you better than the common worker that literally supports the infrastructure out society depends on?

Never said that. I am happy with the way my life is going tho. Why are you working a job you are dissatisfied with? Just stuck in a rut? Fearful of learning new skills? It's all your fault you are where you are. Work smarter, not harder.

>>I am an oil field laborer.

must be talking about some MMORPG

in a free society you can work for yourself fulfilling your own dream...or you can work for someone else and fulfill theirs

Getting average income for an unskilled job is the definition of 'fair'. You just think you should be getting the rewards of a highly skilled worker without putting in the effort. This makes you a bitch.

Just be a business owner then. It's easier right? Then you can be both rich AND lazy. Next time you talk to your boss tell him you're interested in taking on more responsibilities because you'd like to advance a little. He should be excited since you are so valuable and it's harder to fill skilled jobs. Or do you have face tats that say 'gommie faggot 4ever'? That could be a problem.

>Does bare minimum
>Gets minimum wage

>tigergeneral.com/average-roughneck-oil-field-salaries/
>roustabout

You must be 18 to post here op. The way you view the world is so wrong that it's not even worth trying to help you. Do us all a favor and kill urself

you aren't supposed to be living on minimum wage your entire life. you're supposed to work or get educated and gain experience that will earn you a better job and better pay.
anyone that spends their entire life on minimum wage is a lazy nigga that isn't trying

This guy summarized it for you. Don't fall into the trap of being an angsty communist. You see people all around you who live in nice neighborhoods with cars and a retirement. They're not all in the illuminati lol. Just professionals who put in the effort. Don't be a fucktard who spends all his money on useless things, and you'll be good.

The base level workers literally work the hardest and get paid the least. It is a fuck of an injustice, yet my world view is wrong. How can you be so stupid?

News flash: the ruling class has ALWAYS held the upper hand. It still doesn't mean you check out of society with your victim mentality. That only makes things worse. If anything, it makes it worse than the effects the ruling class has on you. You're on a one way ride to being that guy on the end of the bar every night.

Perhaps one day society will be more equitable. I say advocate for that if that's your thing while working to improve your situation in the short term.

Hard work does not necessarily equal valuable work. People pay for what is valuable. I can dig a hole in my back yard by myself, but if you offer to dig it for a price that is less than what I would consider it worth doing it myself, I can pay you for it. Skilled workers -- or workers who can produce something that can't be produced by literally everyone without severe mental retardation -- are valuable.

how many of these threads are we going to get today?

Listen you fucking ignorant brainlet that has difficulty reciting the alphabet. There simply are not enough skilled labor for everyone. Society needs base level workers, and because they need them they should be compensated fairly. Even if everyone was a skilled laborer, then the value of skilled labor would be reduced. You idiots hound on and on about "muh skilled labor," but fail to realize there are not enough of those positions for everyone. It is mind boggling how stupid you people are and do not grasp that concept.

>The base level workers literally work the hardest and get paid the least.

Even I'm a wagie and I know you're full of shit. Even decent managers or senior employees are working just as long or working even longer, well after you've gone home to shitpost on Sup Forums. Sometimes success means doing what no one else will. There are some celebrities that stay up days at a time, just to keep the dosh rolling in.

They ARE compensated fairly, you fucking retard. Digging a ditch is not nearly as important or valuable a task as maintaining a nuclear reactor.

You shouldn't
You should kill yourself instead you communist piece of shit

>base level workers
>working the hardest

Okay. When the freight bay guy comes to work an hour early and leaves three hours late trying to keep the business financially solvent and making sure the other 40 employees still have a job then you can say they are getting the shit end of the stick.

>Seriously, as far as I can tell all you get for working really hard in America is minimum wage paycheck that you can barely survive on. You will never be able to afford a house or nice car, never be able to travel, never be able to retire comfortably, the only person that is going to benefit off of you putting in extra effort is your boss, CEO, business owner, and shareholders.

you must be stupid and/or nonwhite. i was middle class at 22, i'm making something like 70k now. hardworking people can make plenty more than that if they want it.

>Why would I want to work extra hard and contribute to a society like that? I don't even get to benefit off my own hard labor.

you do actually, you get paid for it. Uwork4pay. pay is the benefit of your labor.

>If the rules of the system were not stacked against workers so much and I could benefit from extra effort I put in, then I would want to contribute to society more. But as it is, I really do not wish to work hard in America because it isn't going to help me get ahead in our current system. It only helps others that are lazy: Bankers, business owners, CEO's, shareholders, bosses, etc.

low-iq brown people, immigrants, women...yeah

they're parasites for sure, but if you're white enough you should still be able to outrun the welfare state's tax burden.

That is what I disagree with. Capitalism devalues certain classes of hard work. It is a flaw of the system.

Just because it's harder doesn't mean it's more valuable.

I could cut down a tree with steak knife but it won't mean my time was worth more. If anything I should be punished for being so stupid.

The basic shit here, OP, is that you lack a fundamental understanding of both human nature, and how it expresses itself through economics. Yes, society needs people to do base tasks, but those base tasks can be performed by ANYBODY. Someone offers their services for a price, since their competition is literally EVERYONE ELSE then there is going to be somebody who is willing to do the task for less money. Why would I, someone who wants to get something done, pay MORE to have a task done for no other reason than you feel you deserve it? Your labor IS NOT VALUABLE if it can be accomplished by EVERY OTHER LIVING BEING.

You will be paid for the value of your labor. Unskilled labor will be paid less than skilled labor, but the beauty of our capitalist system is that I, as a business owner/product maker I want the money from people who are unskilled and poor. So I invest in technologies that cut production costs, so I find new materials that can be made more cheaply, so I make a system that is more efficient so it uses less material, etc etc

Then the cost of ALL GOODS decreases so that even you, an ill-informed, near-retarded ditch digger can afford to buy the new iphone and feeds your brood of drooling mongoloids.

the base level workers and mid level workers put in the most hours and get the least pay. managers and owners rayp the fuck out of the employees and get 6 figure salaries for moving around numbers

>still implying oil workers are making minimum wage, not comfortably above like the average shows
>being this fucking retarded

You’re right, but just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean (((they))) aren’t out to get you

That's not even remotely true and you know it.

Yes. The world is unfair. No one is going to fight your battles for you so don't ask. You have to do it yourself or die.

The problem with your model is that it ends up depending on a welfare state to maintain purchasing power. If shitskins weren’t brought in en masse to artificially lower the value of unskilled labor this wouldn’t be as big of an issue

Most businesses should be one man businesses and contract with each other for larger projects.

It is exactly true. The bottom and mid tiers work like slaves so the top tier can sip martinis at trendy bars during happy hour. Our hard work is their profits and pay raises. They literally steal value from us.

Lemme guess. You don't have a job.

Also this^

70k is not minimum wage

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Fucking figures, you commies wouldn't work in an iron lung anyway

>I'm a commiefaggot
>I'm for working people and the oppressed
>fuck the borgwahhzeeee
>working is stupid and if you do it you're stupid

See, you're a walking contradiction.
People today have such a warped view of what "society" is... As if it's some change machine where you go put something in and get something out and the more you care about it the more you get..
No...that's not it..
The more you put in, the more likely you are to reap rewards, and that is and always will be completely up to you the INDIVIDUAL..
By allowing the individual to strive and succeed the collective does better.
When people like you, the collectivist are allowed to hold back the individual that's when society breaks down.

DIE COMMIE SCUM.. you're a confused fuck who is too lazy to read the MOUNTAINS of evidence and bodies that are the result of the failed ideology known as communism.

> the only person that is going to benefit off of you putting in extra effort is your boss, CEO, business owner, and shareholders.

Then why don't you start your own company

I used to work on minimum wage. It didn't stop me from going to bar to forget my problems until I got my act together. Alcohol is humanity's friend.

Hey there commie if you agree with what I said you have to realize it direcly contradicts internationalism which is the bedrock of your ideology

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>Send the lazies that try to ride on others coat tales within the communist system to the gulags.
And then you'll correlate that to a functional society, not a low population.

You don't get a say in the matter. The Left has fortunately replaced you with an unlimited supply of niggers who we can easily train to work for whatever. Your dissent has no value because the labor market is flooded. You will either do a job and be thankful or you will starve.

America isn’t worth salvaging anymore.

>as far as I can tell all you get for working really hard in America is minimum wage paycheck that you can barely survive on

well you see son, the problem is that you are retarded.

Or revolt, put some ruling class heads on pikes, and demand fair compensation.

Agreed.

Found the Jew. The flood of niggers has caused way more problems than it solved, and they’re turning leftist in ever higher rates as they increase as a percentage of the population.

You seriously read his comment as being being an endorsement?

>It requires too much work
Wrong.
It only requires start up capital... Something that's out of reach for low-income workers.

The value of labor under capitalism is largely arbitrary anyway. A huge portion of the population works in capacities that largely only exist in order to provide employment.

Capitalism is contentious within itself. Its interests like in creating consumers with the greatest amount of buying power possible. Simultaneously it wants to pay them as little as possible.

Under this sort of paradox labor can never be coupled to actual value. You can go post-modern and say the value of labor is relative within a given economic system, which is basically an admission that post globalism capitalist economies are houses of cards.

They absolutely are. Look at how much guberment life support modern capitalist economies need to sustain growth. Central governments have to willingly allow themselves to be exploited for private interests, which is to say they're more mercantilist than capitalist at this point.

Look up the definition of mercantilism and tell me the US isn't headed on that trajectory. The worker and the state are at the service of the corporation. On paper even capitalism doesn't go so far as to systemically exploit the state.

So in your opinion people should be paid based on caloric output or physical expenditure?

No wonder communism blows civilization back to the Stone age.. Your dumbass way of thinking basically tells people who do highly technical yet lite physical load work they are worthless.
In other words people who do highly complex work are worthless. So retarded.

I don't think laziness is wrong. I know hard work gets you nowhere. I want capital gains so I can retire on interest. If you destroy capital gains but also destroy social security you're destroying my retirement plans. Social Security won't be there for me so I want to get ahead.

I've heard the words lazy and entitled so much that I don't care if I make more money working smart rather than working hard. This is how the world works and I'm adapting.

Let's get rid of fucking tools, cars, etc...
Why would we use ships to ship cargo?
Just swim that shit over, it's harder, you'll get paid more.

Sure, go revolt in your own and put some heads on a pike. I am sure it will make your situation better.

You will do no such thing. You know why?

Because you have no culture. You voted for this, and now you're getting it.

>huge portion of the population works in capacities that largely only exist in order to provide employment.
Name one.

If a minimum wage job is anything but a stepping stone to higher paying jobs to you, you are doing it wrong and are probably low IQ.