Alright, capitalist pigs, give me ONE (1) argument against communism without resorting to bullshit like:

Alright, capitalist pigs, give me ONE (1) argument against communism without resorting to bullshit like:
>hurr it didn't work before
>muh gulags
>muh starvation
>muh econmy
>muh human nature
Go on, I'll wait.

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China.

>hurr it didn't work before

It's working as intended. I did not say they failed.

“Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves; and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it.”

>Argue against communism without saying anything bad against communism.
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What is the point? Every statement can be made sound stupid by adding muh and le meme arrows

marx was a fucking kike, you retard.

Because the state is evil thats why we need the free market so that they can be our state and not be held accountable. see how that works? oh and it would be great if we were still taxed and then our taxes were used to bail the private banks out when they go under because of predatory lending practices. this is why capitalism is better than communism : )

so was every mind associated with the free market. and they were proud of their heritage. marx hated the jew

>give me an argument against communism but don't mention the bad sides of communism!
>trying to argue with people who think like this

>give me one argument against communism, except for all these other reasons and arguments that have proved communism never has worked time and time again in the past.
Good job OP

>ignore economy and history
>expect to get an argument that you'll understand
gtfo retard

Lol
Give me one reason that gravity is real
Inb4
>muh science
>muh logic
>muh reason
>muh observable evidence

That's you.

That's what you sound like.

Its foundation still resets on the idea of wealth and wealth itself must be abolished.

This is the exact justification for communism though.,

The entire capitalist system is designed to steal the independence and freedom of the working class for the profit of the land owning lords.

hmm ok, but he created China.

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>without listing all the bad things about me raping you up the arse right now, tell me why this is a bad thing
You forgot "communism is a variant of nihilism, promising a utpoia from the ashes of society that never arrives" m8?

>>china didn't exist before the 1800s

english teacher's education everyone

>Trade generates prices
>A trade requires two separate parties
>If everyone owns "DA MEENS OF PRODUCTION" there is only one entity which owns the means of production
>one entity = no trade
>no trade = no price calculation

Mises destroyed socialism in 1920

there is no capitalism, there is a system designed by (((them))), same people who created communism
in real capitalism you can do what you want and earn money without paying 70% of your earnings to (((them)))

>there is a fundamental need for things to have prices
why is that

Try and prove that communism is a bad system, just don't bring up human nature!

Most autistic thing ever? You do understand that humans would have to live in this system? Maybe discussing human nature would be important...

Double doubles, Dot for the win.

Individuals are not slaves.
Everybody has the right to own their own body and the results of their own body labor (private property).

>Give me any argument except all of these that matter

The absolute state.

The problem there is that the much sentimentalized working class doesn't want to overthrown the system at all, they want security and a crack at prosperity through it. Ask any of your precious immigrants.

>Say something bad without saying anything bad
You do realize that you have a mental illness at this point right ?

USSR
Cambodia
Venezuela
Germany
Sweden
United Kingdom
Canada

Destruction of history, heritage, personal identity, national identity, no personal property
Or....
no fun allowed.

>result of their labor
goods are not just a result of labor, however, they are a result of labor and resources.

capitalism: a system where the means of production (capital) are owned privately where labour power is purchased by payment of wages by the capital holder (capitalist) and the goal of production is profit (difference between cost of goods and selling price) of commodities where that profit is appropriated by the capitalist


So what you're saying is this system does not exist

It has never worked before, the system requires widespread incarnation of citizenry in work camps, and still the economy will be so bad that people will starve in the streets, because equalization of outcome is simply against human nature. Fuck you. Fascism is the only alternative.

>muh arguments i dont like

youre operating within a school of thought that was created to justify the reasons for the injustices inherent in the system it operates in. the idea here is getting rid of the profit motive. you cant think outside that box can you?

resources which were not created by the capitalist but rather violently enclosed.

capitalism has never worked.

capitalism doesn't work a single day a person dies dispute the means to save him being readily available, just not profitable for the private holder

Prove to me it does work? You can't

>my communism will surely work
>let me just get rid of these 40 Million >insert class here>

At least capitalism has a track record of working fine for a majority of people.
I would rather take this than a 50% chance of having marginally better circumstances and ultimately failing regardless.

math

You need a Uber car because your wife is going to have a baby. And your neighbor wants the Uber car to take his dog to a ride.

If at the time only one Uber car were available.
If there were no price or a fixed price. Whoever called first would get the Uber car.
But Uber changes the prices according to offer and demand.
So the guy who wants to take his dog to a ride will think it is better to wait a little and wait for the normal price.
Meanwhile your wife needs to go to the hospital asap. So you will think it is worth to pay more.

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Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

I absolutely agree, which is why I wrote that fascism is the alternative. It has worked every time it has been tried, and was only put down by violent force because evil capitalists realized that its a better economic system.

There is a fundamental need if you wish to have a society more than a hundred people.

Nice non-argument. The logic and reason transcends the school of thought.

Competition breeds efficiency and punishes incompetence. Anyone with any business experience knows this which is why only retards believe in communism. Look at the number of government failures that lead to the 1984 USSR grain shortage and continued into 85 and 86 because you cant fire or vote out an inept communist bureaucracy.

Because more often than not the government is incompetent. Communism gives government a monopoly rather than allowing smarter/better companies compete with them. But as long as other competing countries/companies exist, the people who get screwed-over by communistic governments will leave.

The purpose of globalism / a one-world government is to make it so there are no competitors. But even that'll eventually fail when people fuck off to space to escape globalism.

it's because "human nature" is not a valid argument

humans are adaptive and will live in whatever social system they're raised on

society is human nature and the goal of society is to cooperate for the betterment of everyone.

yes.

There is no possible physical object which can be said to be the result of someones efforts, since all material things are made from materials, and materials have no inherent ownership. To take a material you are removing the possibility of anyone else using it.

So to make a thing it requires you taking from the whole, and adding to the thing. The end result is a product which represents both energy spent on your part, and resources taken from the rest of society.

Because there are no things which are not like this, there is never anything you can legitimately initially own to sell to have money to buy anything.

Private ownership of anything is impossible.
You can say that labor investment imparts some sort of claim onto the goods granting you preferential 'control' of the new altered group resource it is made out of, but to say you actually own it is just theft. Property is theft.

>It has worked every time it has been tried

It doesn't work as long as innocent people are being murdered by the government you retard.

There's over 100 million reasons why it didn't work, laying in graves all over Russia, China and Laos.

>System is designed to make growth inefficient combined with high overhead costs.
Hmm, why can't it work. The truth is that because of fact above communism can't work without Gulags and a method of removing friction (ie counter revolutionary, wealthy or entrepreneurial people due to the associated systemic risk).

>Hey guys argue against my position without using your best arguments. Because using valid arguments is unfair like capitalism.

You have only demonstrated why some system of priority is a good idea, there is no justification for why things need a price. Price can lead to such a system, theoretically, but there is no inherent reason it needs to be the method, and so using the creation of price as an axiomatic necessity is just silly.

What kind of psycho thinks that he has a monopoly on deciding on who's innocent and who isn't? Get over yourself. The collective makes this decision. And you know of course that every single communist regime has created widespread innocent death.

>What kind of psycho thinks that he has a monopoly on deciding on who's innocent and who isn't?

Do you have political opinions? Because if so, you. All politics are politics of violence. Political opinions can be summed up by who you think violence is appropriate against. These people are usually in the political system called "criminals."

Do the same for capitalism, but don’t use any products or technology created by capitalism.

yes because there is a third party which you have to pay both if you have to hire someone and if you have to work. real capitalism means financial freedom.

Because the LTV is wrong and fails to properly calculate value on any significant scale, hence why we need a pricing system to get a rough approximation based on the aggregate of voluntary transactions. see:

are you suggesting the workers own their own labour? you know, socialism?

"When one dies, it is a tragedy. When a million die, it is a statistic."

or do you think financial freedom means the freedom to make other people your financial slave

>Give me ONE (1) argument against communism without resorting to well established and valid arguments that resulted in the downfall of every single communist nation ever.

Good, so we both agree that the definition of innocence depends on the political system, and the political views of the collective, instead of being objective facts. So nope, no innocents died in fascist regimes, only criminals did. And still much more died in communist regimes.

'didnt work before' is valid as argument, it is empirical evidence.
theorem was applied ( and plenty of times by people utmost devoted to it), it failed, thus its wrong.
the only thing one can discuss now is why is it such a failure.

>Give one example of why communism sucks, but not including historical proof

You really are retarded arent you. Studies have proven brain damage causes leftism.

Maybe this will get through your thick skull...

Why does capitalism suck?
"People are greedy, and take advantage of the little guy!"

Now explain how that's supposed to get better when you give those same greedy people a gun?

who control the people to work?
okay now you have a elite, how thatt goes with equallity and bullshit?
how can you control the inherent human behavour of benefit itss family an their relatives insttead of fellow random ppl
comunism will never work becouse doen take in account the nature of the humans

name one in favour of it first, kike

next level b8 congratz

>are you suggesting the workers own their own labour? you know, socialism?
Owning ones labor on an individual level is capitalist. The other "workers" of the nation owning your labor is socialist.
If you make 10 loafs of bread in a capitalist society, then you are expected to already have traded something that the electricity producer, flower producer etc want. Thus, what is the product of that plus your labor is yours to do what you wish with.
In socialism you have the right to your fraction of energy, flower, grease etc that the collective has decided, and whatever you produce will be theft if it isn't rationed out the same way as your ingredients.
The difference is massive between being collectivist and individualist or meritocratic.

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>OP not interested in discussion
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what?
how is it slavery if you both have to agree for anything?
where do you see any slavery in a system where anyone can start a business anytime they want even without much capital? Where you can work for whoever you want and hire whoever you want?

Price does it automatically, and nobody has to know if something is scarce. Just increase the price and those who need it less will stop consuming it.

OP is a faggot

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if theres no need for an army, how do you defend yourselves from a horde?

You've basically just taken all the most important points of communism and said you can't use these as an argument.

I'm not a commie, but communists believe that this entity can distribute the resources that are produced.

>Give me one arguments except for the main arguments.

Those are valid points you dumb shit. Can't dismiss counterpoints by calling it bullshit and then claim you are right.

If you understood basic logic you wouldn't be a communist to begin with.

>he says with anarcho communist flag

Can't handle criticism.
Ugly flags.

For what it's worth, marx's father was literally a rabbi.
So by Sup Forums logic, subscribing to the ideals of communism is tantamount to being joo'd.

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its all comes down to incentives. capitalism is not "good" or "bad" its amoral just like communism.but uses human psychology to make it a system of "forced altruism" cos if i dont provide products or services that make others lives better i cant make my own life better its a feedback loop of human progress of standards of living. look at any statistics. ehn people are left to their own selfish interests it makes everyone better off even the poorest ones who are still functioning. for anything else we have social programms

>I put muh in front of something haha btfo nazis

Ever tho you are shitposting you should go the way of kurt cobain overweight chip

What the fuck is a loaf of bread worth in a communist country?

do you even need more?
drop your toilet paper of a flag and reveal your location. I bet it's a capitalist country.

Guy in your pic is posing in the most traditionalist masonic pose out there. Maybe you should rethink things commie fag

>refute my bait with these incredibly distant goal posts, because it is so unreasonably stupid I have to logically limit my opposition ', :^)

I wish for once there'd be an intelligent person hiding behind that flag, but I guess that's too much to ask for, since everyone who uses it is a fucking retard who believe every Communist lie that has ever existed. Probably support Antifa too, ya dumb cunt

Those all seem like valid reasons enough but how about the fact that it can only work through coercion.

By definition the system expects, no, demands total cooperation. Even in the basic theoretical premise it offers no way to resolve disagreements.

They realized this in WWI when rather than the entire proletariat class uniting to overthrow the upper class they splintered into their own nationally aligned groups.

Because people want and believe in different things. So the commune will never come to a clear consensus. The only functional way for this to work is for the party to become a totalitarian oligarchy ruled by a single executive leader (party chairman - great leader). Who forcefully makes the decisions.

Which is exactly what ever real communist society became.

Its unbiblical

>hurr it didn't work before

But it doesn't work. Same with the "free market". Unless you want to regulate the fuck out of everything, but
a) You will likely fail to do so
b) If you don't, people, in their lust for greed and being "temporarily embarassed millionaires", will gladly sell everything for a pair of jeans.

Average bydloman is a moron. He doesn't need safety, he doesn't need stability, he doesn't need everything. All that he needs is a big fat dream of becoming rich and in power, and a big fat bullshit to support that dream.

And it's far cheaper, in the end, to feed him that bullshit, instead of busting your ass to make a perfect state and fail at it because the bydloman will demand something dumb like porn journals or strippers or bubble gum.

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Here in Romania we wuz commies before 1989
Stores were mostly empty
Meat was rare
You had bananas like once a year
Chocolate was pretty rare too
Teachers were banned from going to church
You only had 2 hours of TV per day which was all just propaganda about Ceaușescu and then like 15 mins of cartoons for children.
Sounds pretty awesome amirite?

lol, leftie college fag

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You believe that every single business owner is against the workers

that's crony-capitalist corporatism, sweetie :^)

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