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DOW DOWN 350 WTF IS TRUMP DOING
Nicholas Morales
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Chase Garcia
it's the interest rates, leaf. they were brought down to 0% when the bottom fell out of the economy in 2008. they were never supposed to stay that low, but our recovery sucked. now that our economy is growing again and back on its feet, the fed is going to raise them. that has a lot to do with what's happening. its natural for the stock market to fluctuate like this though, it's not necessarily a sign of a bad economy when there's a concrete reason behind it like the interest rates. the fact that the rates are going to be raised only means we're finally doing better.
Zachary Lewis
also you can't bull market for that long without having a big correction. our most recent bull market was pretty unprecedented.
many people talking about things like inflation, but it's doubtful any of that will materialize into something meaningful.
Angel Nelson
HOW BAD WAS THE GOP TAX BILL
Camden Gutierrez
why do you think the GOP tax bill has something to do with the stock market going down the last few days?? so many businesses have said that they're going to be investing in our country now, so i'm not following your logic in the least.
Adam Campbell
i mean you can't just look at two things you don't like and then randomly try to connect them in a causal manner. stock market corrections are incredibly normal. like really literally incredibly normal. just look at a chart of the history of the stock market, there's nothing even out of the ordinary about this. some people tried to say "oooooh but its the biggest single day drop in 2 years!" but that's becasue the stock market is always growing, so therefore the swings and fluctuations are always growing too. simple math and proportions, really.
Brandon Rodriguez
WHAT ABOUT THE DEBT
Eli Lopez
the debt is a problem, but it's been growing for a long time. the old "strategy" (or lack of strategy) that we were using of just doing the same thing over and over and over again and hoping something would change obviously wasn't working.
Trump's plan is to cut the taxes to foster so much growth that we'll eventually have more money coming into the coffers and be able to pay it off. frankly though, whether we use trump's plan or any other plan, it's not going to work unless we get rid of social security and medicare.
BUT these are the tax brackets that are used overseas by those nordic countries like sweden, and it works for them to the point where they are able to afford a lot more social programs than we have, so maybe Trump's plan is right and will work in the end. dunno. personally i think the world economy is doomed in the long run anyhow because it's too dependent on growth and we already have 7 billion people......not much room for more growth either way.
Jose Torres
DOWN 420 NOW
Brayden Nelson
that......really doesn't mean anything though. it's very normal for the stock market to have corrections, and like i said before, after the unprecedented bull market of the last year, you're going to see a pretty hefty bear market for a while. that's just called the normal fluctuations of the stock market. not something unusual or worth freaking out over unless you really honestly don't know anything about economics lol.
Tyler Williams
>Dow shoots up like a rocket for nearly a year
>two days of steep drop offs that has in no way wiped out the gains of the last year
>doesn't know what a correction is.
People like you shouldn't be invested in stocks.
You're too emotional and reactionary. And waaay to stupid.
Jack Wilson
DOWN 450 NOW
IS IT GUNNA BE 666 AGAIN
Aiden Torres
this is what's happening.
The economy is doing better than expected under Trump, so the fed might raise interest rates to prevent inflation from getting out of hand.
The market likes low interest rates because it means more debt that can be pumped into the market.
Sebastian Edwards
Government set to borrow nearly $1 trillion this year, an 84 percent jump from last year
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HOW CAN WE AFFORD THIS
Xavier Taylor
>DOWN 450 NOW
So what? The Dow is not an indicator of the economy. Never has been.
>IS IT GUNNA BE 666 AGAIN
So what?
Come back to me when it's done this 5 to 10 days in a row.
Then you'd have cause for concern.
In 2008, the Dow had 4 days when it dropped 7% of its value. This is two days of 2% drops. It's nothing.
Stop shitposting you ignorant faggot.
Carter Davis
the stock market is doing really horrible, right guise? it shot up like a motherfucker in a way it never has in history in the past year under trump, but the 3 days of a bear market correction are the end of the world cuz "muh anti-trump" right? lol, come on. nobody is even gonna buy this.
yes exactly. the rates have to go up. it's a good sign that they're going up. nobody likes them and nobody wants them to go up, but they have to. remember the 08 crash happened BECAUSE of subprime lending which caused a housing market collapse. that's part of why they lowered them so drastically. it was always a marker of how awful and unconvincing our so-caled "recovery" was that they never went back up.
Evan Wilson
>HOW CAN WE AFFORD THIS
The government can't. That's why the national debt is over 20 trillion.
The only cause for concern will be when the USA can't pay the interest for the loans or when groups stop loaning the USA money.
Ayden White
You don't think news of the biggest scandal the Americans have ever faced, totally destroying trust between government and its society has anything to do with do you?
Aiden Green
>the stock market is doing really horrible, right guise?
I know, right? It's been running up dozens of flights of stairs. But it just stepped back one step. We're all going to die! e.e
>it shot up like a motherfucker in a way it never has in history in the past year under trump, but the 3 days of a bear market correction are the end of the world cuz "muh anti-trump" right?
That's how the media will portray it because they're anti-Trump and want the viewers to be scared consumers like the OP.
>lol, come on. nobody is even gonna buy this.
Liberals and brainless idiots will. But those people shouldn't be in the markets anyways.
Henry Bailey
>they were never supposed to stay that low
How are you going to keep the economy afloat with such high debt?
>the fact that the rates are going to be raised only means we're finally doing better.
Wrong. It only means Fed is ready to pop the bubble. How is economy going handle higher rates with a total debt to GDP at 350%???
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And it's not just USA. Whole world is at similar level.
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Isaac Wood
>not much room for more growth either way
There is plenty of room for growth in the west.
World population can sustain over 15 billion people by some estimates. half the world lives in southeast Asia and they're not starving.
Landon Myers
in case either of you genuinely don't know, the government is borrowing more money this year, yes, but you're only presenting half of the story. the purpose in the long term is that GDP growth (which is now through the roof) will lead to an economy that produces so much that we'll eventually be able to pay off those debts even with the lower tax rates. it's a good plan, and as i said earlier in the thread, these are the rates that all of the nordic countries like sweden, which the left loves to say they wish we would emulate, use. so i dunno why you guys are whining about, honestly.
anyway in the long term, i think the debt problem is too out of control, and i don't think there's enough physical space on earth for the sort of growth we need to sustain the world economy. so in the long term, you're looking at global economic firestorm no matter what. if anyone can save us from that it's prob trump but just IMO, it's unavoidable no matter who is in office. it would have been accelerated under a dem president though, for sure.
Nicholas Morgan
>You don't think news of the biggest scandal the Americans have ever faced, totally destroying trust between government and its society has anything to do with do you?
Probably not. This is more than likely a correction to sell off overbought holdings.
Market goes up for a while, it corrects downwards for a smidge, then it starts going back up. It's the way the stock market works.
Easton Carter
lol a meaningless memo about how people who gather intelligence reports need to do their own field research? written by amateur politicians with no government experience? Give me a fucking break, kike.
Henry Murphy
Holy fuck just let the obvious shitpost thread die.
Sebastian Clark
First non-Jewish Federal Reserve since Reagan
Ian Parker
>so in the long term, you're looking at global economic firestorm no matter what
Yeah if one wants to argue that the fundamentals of the economy are trash and eventually it's all going to come tumbling down, that's a valid cause for concern.
There's been stock market crashes in the past, there will be stock market crashes in the future.
If one is in the stock market, the best thing one can do is be properly diversified and have a financial advisor that knows their stuff and has the intelligence to know when to get out should SHTF. Yes, one might lose some (or even a lot) of money, but one won't lose it all.
Noah Torres
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DOWN 500 IT'S HAPPENING
Easton Anderson
>How are you going to keep the economy afloat with such high debt?
you're using absolute numbers to mislead people though. our debt isn't actually that high. it's only like 100% of GDP, which is normal for any western nation. some are much, much, much higher and they're still afloat. what would have been a bad idea was to continue on the old path we were going down, where nothing was changing and we had no chance to ever pay it off.
besides, our debt is to social security mostly, so we know we can't sustain that program in the long term in the US (frankly speaking, we have too many unemployed non-whites mooching off the system). we've known that for a long time. it's not like it's a shit ton of debt to foreign powers. it's debt to ourselves, the majority of it.
the rest of your post is just like untrue things. you say "wrong" but its not "wrong", and our debt to GDP isn't at 350% unless you're facoring in a bunch of numbers that shouldn't be factored in.
basically you're just presenting one sided or intentionally rigged info, i dunno man. the debt situation is serious, but you're trying to make it seem a lot more pressing and important than it is, all because of your hatred for trump, presumably.
Wyatt Peterson
yeah but those are just estimates. just because there are pockets of densely populated areas, doesn't meant he whole world is going to be able to survive under those conditions. i mean jesus, look at hong kong, imagine the pollution alone if the entire world lived like that. and i'm not one of these environmentalist, global warming people, but at that point you'd really be looking at some serious consequences, i think.
Adam Richardson
>DOWN 500 IT'S HAPPENING
How many points has the dow gained since Trump has been in office?
Kayden Perry
LESS AND LESS EVERYDAY
Oliver Campbell
You've some brass neck, I'll give you that.
Just because msm won't report it, doesn't mean she isn't going to jail. Hahahahag
Austin Reyes
>LESS AND LESS EVERYDAY
But that's verifiable wrong, you retard.
Josiah Bell
>doesn't mean she isn't going to jail.
The law doesn't apply to politicians anymore, don't you understand that?
Christopher Long
>DOW DOWN OVER 1,000 POINTS SINCE FRIDAY
Thomas Barnes
That would be up to Trumps grace.
Grayson Hernandez
>>DOW DOWN OVER 1,000 POINTS SINCE FRIDAY
And how many thousands of points up is it since Trump took office?
>That would be up to Trumps grace.
You really think the only reason Shillary isn't in jail right now is because Trump is being merciful?
Alexander Evans
this thread is slide and kikery, trump needs economy to collapse to drain the swamp, sage
William Bell
Not yet, but she will beg forgiveness, to Trump and the American people.
Isaac Rivera
I CANT LOSE MY NEET BUX
Henry White
>Not yet, but she will beg forgiveness, to Trump and the American people.
No, she really won't.
The system is designed to protect people like her and the system is filled with people who would protect her.
There is no justice to be had from this government.
Levi Morris
The system failed to make the appropriate steps back in 2008 and just repackaged their crap and started the slot machines over again.
The next crash will be the last. Trump will be blamed for 80 years of absolute shitshow economic policy and blatant fraud
Cooper Sanders
>The next crash will be the last.
While I welcome amurrica's collapse like the average Sup Forumsster, things aren't bad enough to warrant a total economic collapse...yet.
The market hasn't even halted trading.
Zachary Jackson
i refuse to believe that anyone can genuinely believe that a bear market like this is really anything important or noteworthy in any way. you can't even be serious with these pictures of people slamming their heads into computers, or hanging themselves. i mean there's no way you or anyone else can genuinely believe that this is remarkable.
Samuel Young
>i mean there's no way you or anyone else can genuinely believe that this is remarkable.
Either OP is a tremendous faggot/shitposter or he's so retarded that the only thing he sees is the triple digit loss and is unable to comprehend that the market is still up thousands of points for the past year.
Wyatt Scott
TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN
Dude I just like posting biz memes.
Aaron Brown
CDOs were repackaged and given a new name in 2008, were sold without oversight or regulations. The debt is chocking the economy and the next big killer will be student loans.
There is a perfect storm brewing. I have been in the finance game for a while and one thing I can tell you: corruption will lead to the death of the system. I don't believe in the future of the US economy but this fucking system needs to die
Josiah Young
t. my only news source is zerohedge
Jaxon Morgan
i mean is it like supposed to be an "anti-trump" thing in your mind though? like is that the point of the post? many people are trying to suggest that the stock market is falling because of Trump, and even on the front page of reddit, the post claiming this, the comments were full of people calling BS. which was pretty incredible because even the stupid redditards were able to see through this obviously dishonest rhetoric.
Connor Gomez
>There is a perfect storm brewing.
>I don't believe in the future of the US economy but this fucking system needs to die
I agree.
I just don't think this correction is the beginning of the end like faggots such as the OP claim. (again though, this starts to happen for days on end or we start seeing near 10% drops in a day, yes, that is cause for concern.)
Austin Kelly
>Dude I just like posting biz memes.
Stop shitposting Sup Forums to death.
Jason Sanders
I ran a fund from 2014 to 2017
Brayden Anderson
4D chess
Jack Wood
I retired last year but I can tell you that some big players, guys I know are not total shit bag banksters, and they are starting to get very worried
The primary reason is that at ground level the toxic policies were never changed, just repackaged. The market runs on a 8 year cycle so we were due for a new shitshow in 2016...it is long overdue
Camden Turner
>it's debt to ourselves, the majority of it.
yeah those fed patriots who really care about the interests of the american people, gotta love em
Ryan Wright
you are right on that one, 90% of the banksters could give 2 fucks about the american people. Win or lose, they will make it out richer than ever.
Michael Myers
>guys I know are not total shit bag banksters, and they are starting to get very worried
Hell, 20 trillion in debt is enough reason to be very concerned.
>The primary reason is that at ground level the toxic policies were never changed, just repackaged.
Yeah, I've heard that.
>The market runs on a 8 year cycle so we were due for a new shitshow in 2016...it is long overdue
Well hopefully a market crash and Trump not living up to (or more likely not being allowed to live up to) his promises will cause Whites to lose faith in the system and start looking for "other" ways to implement change.
Jason Richardson
Literal fucking retard panicking over a market correction that happens YEARLY.
Update. Just noticed it's a fucking LEAF post. My God.
Justin Price
scaramucci?
Cooper Baker
Q predicted.
Blake Myers
>too emotional and reactionary
OP is trash from /biz/ that's been filtering into here because their cryptomeme is crashing hard. What else do you expect?
Brandon Murphy
>OP is trash from /biz/ that's been filtering into here because their cryptomeme is crashing hard. What else do you expect?
Mods that do their jobs?
People that post on Sup Forums to not be shitposting faggots?
I know...I ask too much.
Kayden Thompson
(((THEY))) have been reduced to coming to Sup Forums and shilling for Bitcoin against the stock market in a last ditch effort to save their Neet Jewbucks. It's fucking pathetic.
Bentley Long
Well look at it this way: Even if Trump does everything humanly possible, he can't fix 80 years of shit in 4 years and can only start reversing the course with 8 years. Now if the next president (after 2 terms) does not adhere to his new healthier policies and people don't go to jail over this shit show...there is no hope to keep the current system alive.
I hope it shits the bed for good, it would probably be better to start from the ground up and stop playing Casino with the lives of middle class Americans.
The one thing I fucking hate is when a guy like Trump says: Check out the stock market...to the mooooon....
John Anderson
The russian narrative collapsed, so the kikes will have to crash the economy to further undermine Trump.
Oh, and thats their present for the first day of work of the new FED chairman - first non-jew since 1987.
Noah Perry
>pay off debt by borrowing and creating more debt
do you even modern economics bruh?
>youtube.com
educate your dumb ass, nobody can save central banking fractional reserve lending. its designed to collapse and steal your money if youre a idiot.
Anthony Gonzalez
>i mean is it like supposed to be an "anti-trump" thing in your mind though?
Not in my mind. But yeah it's going to be politicized.
Problem is it's pretty hard to quantify the economy "getting better" in a way that actually benefits workers. Which IS happening. But the democrats and the media do not care about this. They'll argue that slave labor is "good for the economy" when it increases GDP for fuck's sake.
Metrics like the dow jones getting better are useful to screw with their narrative. So now they'll be fighting back, but ultimately that's not what matters. Not by itself.
Ayden Phillips
Correct, fractional reserve banking is why the system needs to be killed and start fresh. Problem is the next generation of banksters are just as greedy as the last. Going back to sound policies at this point without changing the way you teach the fresh meat is like giving them a ferrari and telling them to stick to first gear.
Dominic Rivera
>THE MARKET ONLY GOES UP OR ITS FAILING R-RIGHT GUISE???
Spotted the libfag who doesn’t understand investing.
Andrew Clark
WTF is Soros doing
Luke Diaz
The problem is that the foundation is rotten.
You can renovate the entire house but once the foundation is fucked you have to bring it all down and set up a solid foundation.
Carson Thomas
>Well look at it this way: Even if Trump does everything humanly possible, he can't fix 80 years of shit in 4 years and can only start reversing the course with 8 years.
Exactly.
>Now if the next president (after 2 terms) does not adhere to his new healthier policies and people don't go to jail over this shit show...there is no hope to keep the current system alive.
And as any sane, stable person knows, even if Trump does get a second term, the president after him will be a Democrat who will be so radicalized by 8 years of Trump's (attempted) policies will reverse them.
>I hope it shits the bed for good, it would probably be better to start from the ground up and stop playing Casino with the lives of middle class Americans.
I think it will hasted the third-worldizastion of the USA.
Labor will be exported (because its cheaper), non-White labor will be imported (because it's cheaper too) and non-Whites will be given even more special privileged status (cuz deyz beez oppressed minorities and sheet)
And of course everything bad will be blamed on evil, White people. (and never on Jewish bankers)
It won't be total economic collapse (like you said, hunger games or mad max style) but quality of life will keep dropping
>The one thing I fucking hate is when a guy like Trump says: Check out the stock market...to the mooooon....
The media and the politicians have successfully deluded people into believing that the stock market is an indicator of how well the economy is doing and that it's the only thing that matters.
In reality it's just a number that they can show on the bottom of the talmudvision screen that turns the goyim into scared consumers. (only thing people should be buying is food, water and ammo)
John Miller
God I hope this shit crashes so hard Trump has to declare marital law.
Jaxson Butler
You get it better than I can explain, are you in the field?
Blake Williams
Q also Predicted
Cameron Sanders
That is hollywood bullshit. Quality of life will drop like a fucking brick but it won't be Venezuela style.
Jayden Taylor
>You get it better than I can explain, are you in the field?
Nope. I'm invested (t'was the "responsible" thing to do) I've just been picking up bits of data along the way and I see what's on the horizon.
Nolan Morris
No now it's Obama's
Tyler Watson
well you are sharp...I worked in the meat grinder for 25 years and I have seldom encountered professional investors with your skills. The reason why you are so grounded is probably because you did not have a shitbag bankster mentor.
Good on you, good luck
Connor Rivera
>God I hope this shit crashes so hard Trump has to declare marital law.
Trump would never do that, the Dems and the GOPe would have (in their mind) legitimate reason to impeach.
The first time a darkie took a tear gas grenade to the face on the nightly news it would be over.
Besides, the only places the riots would happen are in diversified (Democrat) cities so I doubt the police would even be ordered to stop the riots. (except when they're about to raid/burn down schlomo's house)
Tyler Clark
I'm only semi-larping but I'm convinced the only way change will occur is if something as bad as a total economic crash occurs. I will feel bad for any anons who live in a city.
Liam Rogers
>Good on you, good luck
Thanks! To you as well.
Justin Adams
>bankrupted three casinos
>bank foreclosed on Trump Tower
>steak, water, wine, clothing and university biz crashes
>can't secure a U.S. loan
>resorts to selling empty condos to russian mobsters to money launder for a percent
>now in charge of the economy
wew
Luis Wright
I hope you die in the gutter you worthless shit
Brandon Phillips
What is a correction
Liam Harris
Why is facebook's stock still so highly valued?
What do they produce? If they can't get users they're fucked. Facebook is like pininterest now
Also fuck Tesla.
Asher Perez
>Undervalued currency
>EXPORTS THROUGH THE ROOF
Jason Torres
>implying Trump has anything to do with This
Literal retards.
Jason Turner
Thanks
Jordan Barnes
He’s not wrong. Glass Steagall, the banker bailouts, so many things could have been done but we enabled the next crash and harmful speculation by giving literal trillions to banks. I remember it all well
Luke Nguyen
-543 NOW, LMAO
Andrew Williams
>Why is facebook's stock still so highly valued?
Because of the massive traffic it gets.
>What do they produce?
Ad revenue, google tracking, privacy invasion.
Benjamin Collins
>haha yeah this is all drump's fault haha
John Jenkins
This: thank god he has a team cause Trump is not the best investor, he is like the guy who graduated with a C average
Levi Baker
>mfw falling in love all over again with #Her
Blake Torres
with all big rises come a fall. Nothing, not even physical gold goes up without going down
Kevin Collins
LMAO
Nolan Thompson
Dems and their allies are liquidating their assets in a last ditch effort to GTFO.