Welcome to the Mars Independent General. This thread is dedicated to the discussion of creating a European Colony on Mars, not by direct funding, but through the commercial emigration scheme that will eventually come into play. This is real. This is going to happen. We need you to consider the choice.
The first Mars Colony is predicted to be established as early as 7 years from now. Very quickly the colony is going to expand, and Elon Musk has made it clear that commercial emigration will come in to play only a few years later. This means the first large influx of settlers over the next 50 years are going to be families who sell their properties on Earth for the ticket. Only people who can afford to move there will be able to. lets face it - a majority european colony on mars is the only way to truly secure the 14 words.
>Plan: /mig/ is a new general and a work in progress. feel free to contribute ideas. Essentially, once the colonisation effort becomes commercial, we need to move there.
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>inb4 space is fake kys >inb4 muh economics kys >inb4 STOP LARPING the short term goal of this general is to simply re-inspire our fellow Nationalists, Fascists & Racialists on the subject of space exploration & colonisation. We hope to promote a new positive attitude towards life on Mars amongst those who value the future of the European peoples.
./ The general will be posted a few times a week or a few times a day.
>Moon Machines PART 1, a Science Channel documentary miniseries consisting of six episodes documenting the engineering challenges of the Apollo Program to land a man on the Moon. youtube.com/watch?v=o39UlJlMce8
>When We Left The Earth PART 1, a documentary miniseries consisting of six episodes documenting American human spaceflight, spanning from the first Mercury flights through the Gemini program to the Apollo moon landings, the Space Shuttle, and the construction of the International Space Station youtube.com/watch?v=TVzbVmv8NhY
>"Hey! how about you start smaller by colonizing Antarctica!" Antarctica is a less hospitable climate than Mars, and much less hospitable than an orbital colony. The huge enduring problem with living in Antarctica is the pervasive cold. It's hard to keep warm, when the thick atmosphere is constantly robbing you of heat. The fact that you spend six months at a time in the darkness of night doesn't exactly help either. A Martian colony has to deal with a much thinner atmosphere and consequently much less thermal insulation is required. An orbital colony doesn't even have to deal with that.
This general is definitely not about abandoning the problems we have here on Earth, we believe that the European peoples are not only strong enough to overcome those problems, but are able to dedicate themselves on multiple fronts, Mars is that other front.
Owen Taylor
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Anthony Hall
a few interesting words in regards to business opportunities on Mars
>Water Purification/Production Besides oxygen, of course, the only thing that will be more important on Mars than food will be clean drinking water. Scientists believe that there is water on Mars; however, they are not sure if it’s drinkable. Consequently, if there is water on Mars, someone will need to purify and make it suitable for consumption. If there is no water on Mars, then some really smart people will figure out a cost-effective way to produce H2O from hydrogen and oxygen. Either way, water will be big business on Mars.
>Hospitality and Entertainment Nobody likes to eat or stay at home all the time, so there will be a need for entertainment, hotels, and restaurants of all kinds. If tourism to Mars ever becomes popular (and I think it will,) the need for hospitality and entertainment providers will be huge. As with all other things on Mars, eating out or taking a vacation will probably be expensive. Therefore, for those savvy chefs, hoteliers, and producers that get in on the ground floor, there will absolutely be plenty of money to be made in these industries.
>Construction/Infrastructure Depending on the environmental concerns and requirements settlers face when they arrive on Mars, it’s hard to tell how construction and infrastructure will need to be approached. One this is certain, though, and that is people will need places to live and work as well as other necessities such as bridges, walkways, and streets (or something similar to streets.)
In the beginning, governments or authorities may handle initial construction projects. Still, I don’t think it will be long thereafter that the private sector will be doing most of the building. Building homes, condos and whatever else on Mars will be expensive and possibly dangerous. Therefore, expect contractors — big and small — to earn good livings in this field.
Carson Morales
>another cut from a different article there are many potential near-term business opportunities connected with human missions to Mars with significant potential markets for the associated technologies and capabilities required for creating a sustainable human presence on the surface of Mars. These include innovations in life support, agriculture, radiation shielding, energy, on-site resource utilization (aka living off the land), filtration, and many other necessary technologies and capabilities. Many of these technologies would not require the massive level of investment for development that large mission elements like heavy-lift rockets, crew vehicles, propulsion, and habitats require. With the proper stimulus and the necessary entrepreneurial innovators, these technologies could be developed in a competitive manner, and they also likely will have application to improving life on Earth and therefore also have a significant market on Earth—thus making them particularly attractive to entrepreneurs, small businesses, and others.
John Martinez
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Cameron Perry
As cool as this would be we need to wait for Mr. Musk to actually have the capacity to get the colony rolling, and right now we are waiting on that technology to go through the proof-of-concept stage. Trying to set this up 7+ years in advance won't do much good.
Aaron Perry
>more Whether humans reach Mars through a government effort, a commercial model, or a combination of the two, there are remarkable opportunities that will accompany that journey. These opportunities are not only for discovery but also for innovators, entrepreneurs, and others to create new or better products that contribute to the sustainability of humans on Mars and also benefit people on the planet Earth.
While cosmonauts and astronauts are learning valuable spacefaring skills on the International Space Station — and the U.S. is using virtual reality to train scientists — the majority of work to prepare for interplanetary expeditions is being done on Earth...and where best to field-test equipment and people for the journey to Mars but on some of the planet's most forbidding spots. Seen from space, the Dhofar Desert is a flat, brown expanse. Few animals or plants survive in the desert expanses of the Arabian Peninsula, where temperatures can top 125 degrees Fahrenheit, or 51 degrees Celsius. On the eastern edge of a seemingly endless dune is the Oman Mars Base: a giant 2.4-ton inflated habitat surrounded by shipping containers turned into labs and crew quarters. There are no airlocks. The desert's surface resembles Mars so much, it's hard to tell the difference, the types of geomorphology, all the structures, the salt domes, the riverbeds, the wadis, it parallels a lot of what we see on Mars.
Scientists from across the world sent ideas for experiments such as testing a new spacesuit called Aouda, the cutting-edge spacesuit, weighing about 50 kilograms (110 pounds), is called a "personal spaceship" because one can breathe, eat and do hard science inside it. The suit's visor displays maps, communications and sensor data. A blue piece of foam in front of the chin can be used to wipe your nose and mouth.
Cooper Lewis
I know. see OP >the short term goal of this general is to simply re-inspire our fellow Nationalists, Fascists & Racialists on the subject of space exploration & colonisation. We hope to promote a new positive attitude towards life on Mars amongst those who value the future of the European peoples.
Lincoln Green
BUMP. Less interest tonight ? Let me know if you have any suggestions on what to include in OP or information in general to post itt
James Turner
What would the government of Mars be like?
Sebastian Thomas
MARS AETERNUM
MAN'S DESTINY IS TO CONQUER THE STARS OR DIE TRYING
We need to begin developing and using AI bots to prep our arrival to Mars.
William Turner
Also, race is literally not going to matter at all on Mars, as only the smartest, strongest, and most adaptable will even be able to survive on this planet, white, yellow, brown or black. We need everybody whos willing and smart enough
Brody Campbell
Bump for a Fashy future >Also, race is literally not going to matter at all on Mars >>reddit.com/r/The_Donald
Jayden Adams
There are a few good articles on this subject you can find on google. (most on Elon Musk)
>"The form of government on Mars would be a direct democracy, not representative," Musk explained without missing a beat. "So it would be people voting directly on issues. And I think that's probably better because the potential of corruption is substantially diminished in a direct versus a representative democracy."
Kayden Lewis
>memeflag
Ian Williams
So anarcho communism in essence? But how could that work once the population hits millions?
Ryder Hughes
Im not sure about this. As far as I can tell, If you can afford to go, you'll be able to.
Maybe in regards to actual careers the smartest & strongest will be given priorities (massive emphasis on smartest)
It's really hard to say. I'm going to have a good dig through all the articles and prepare something for the next thread because this questions keeps on getting asked and the only immediate answer I have is from an interview Elon did, and speculation journalists have written in response to it.
Personally, if we are talking about a Ethno-Colony... im sure many people on Sup Forums would be ok with putting their trust in one or a group of individuals (some sort of fascist structure)
Start learning Russian and telemetry if you want to be involved in getting to Mars.
Tyler Parker
FOR THE EMPERORR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR THE OMNISHIAH!!!!!
Jordan Thomas
Nonsense. see OP, >the commercial emigration scheme that will eventually come into play.
Jace James
Russians are the last true space-faring race.
The West cares more about blowing money on frivolities and trying to keep idiots from killing themselves than exploring the stars.
Elijah Campbell
>die for the emperor, OR DIE TRYING lmao why havent i seen this before
Landon Cooper
We should reclaim the countries that fucking belong to us on this planet instead of scurrying of it like rats.
Tyler Clark
THIS if you faggots set up a proper emperor that is not a total cuck i'll go
Noah Stewart
Okay, nice qualification. As long as this is done *in addition* to protecting/reclaiming what belongs to us here on Earth I’m all for it.
Leo Walker
haha I was just about to say. I'll include that in OP next time so people see it straight away.
>the short term goal of this general is to simply re-inspire our fellow Nationalists, Fascists & Racialists on the subject of space exploration & colonisation. We hope to promote a new positive attitude towards life on Mars amongst those who value the future of the European peoples.
Jackson Morgan
Do both.
Xavier Harris
Well worst case scenario we lose our homelands and bombard the earth from space. Not the best outcome but at least the shitskins will lose.
Robert Phillips
I love the idea of colonizing mars but this nazi/white supremacist bullshit. Other than that >Mars aeternum.
Leo Diaz
Is bullshit* Just like my grammar apparently
Juan Bennett
Im currently looking into alternative symbolism, (not that i really have too much of a problem with the swastika) but if it attracts more edgelords and gets them interested in the subject, then i'm all for it. Everyone on Sup Forums is desensitized to the swastika and it is undeniably a symbol of new nationalism & Europe's self-determination (regardless of the edginess)
>*You will need to use visual identification methods if you don't want to waste 30 minutes trying to find your partners. I'm not really into this.
Isaac Murphy
In mars the number one rule is: No communists
Nolan Davis
Let's concentrate on best case scenarios :)
Grayson Richardson
That sounds neat, we could make our own insignia's
Brayden Gomez
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Grayson Collins
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Evan Lopez
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Jackson Sullivan
Im a nigger, can i come to space with yall? Also were the white bitches at.
Owen Barnes
Get fucked
Brayden Robinson
you can stay with the chinks
Charles Foster
interesting point. Maybe the easiest way to do that would be sensors that identify who you are approaching and display their information inside your helmet on the visor.
Cool picture by the way.... story behind it ? That seems like a very primitive form of identification haha.
Kayden King
In a series called "Deathworlders" the use of stickers on spacesuits for a group of asteroid miners for identification was used, it might come up again since I'm only half way through thus far. Definitely something to consider
I'm gonna post some art i've got as an excuse to give the thread a little bump.
Again, any advice on how I should structure OP, information to include etc would be appreciated
Dylan Ross
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Joseph Cox
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Juan Gonzalez
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Asher Wright
late night bump
Eli Green
For this we should make some sort of futureized, space swastika
Benjamin Hughes
after five minutes messing around yesterday I made this , but its just a bit of fun.
Charles Robinson
I'm down to move to Mars, sign me up!
Gavin Smith
another late night bump.
AGAIN, any suggestions on how I should structure OP, information to include etc would be appreciated
Jaxson Cooper
>a majority european colony on mars is the only way to truly secure the 14 words. sure good goy abandon the earth to the jews also you can be trustful the jew wont be governing your puny mars colony
Jacob Rivera
see
Kevin Sanders
>we need to >that's how it's gonna be hello vagina
John Sanchez
seems to be less interest tonight. not to worry. since im still up, another bump.
Benjamin Kelly
I wish all the meme flag faggots would go live on Mars Good luck without Schumann Resonance and getting through that Van Allen belt
Wyatt Gutierrez
>American isn't interested in new frontiers are you EVEN American.
James Cruz
Definitely not ya average. I’m happy they’re launching shit in my backyard though
Henry Collins
Dump a bunch of cockroaches on Mars to make it suitable.
Jacob Morales
Did you watch the Falcon Heavy launch ?
Ian Gonzalez
The Apollo astronauts had low exposure in the Van Allen belts due to the short period of time spent flying through them. Apollo flight trajectories bypassed the inner belts completely, and only passed through the thinner areas of the outer belts.
Bentley Long
wait, what ? lol
David Torres
I found a potential food source. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmorkrebs >Reproduces asexually >Very nutritious >Tastes amazing with Cajun spices >Very durable
Wyatt Turner
Oh yeah. I rarely miss a launch I’m like 5 miles away from the pads. The Falcons are 10x faster than Shuttles. Being from the area we are were always forced to do Terra Form mars projects thru Middle and High school. The truth - - red planet Redpill- - we’re just too adapted to Earth. The first Mars colonists will go insane if everything else doesn’t kill em
Julian Morgan
>tfw have pet marmokrebs in my artificial pond
>user wants to use them as live stock
well fuck you too
Adrian Sanchez
>Red-Planet, Red-Pill thats catchy. I'm going to use that.
>The first Mars colonists will go insane the next stage in figuring out how to deal with psychological stress (we know a lot from monitoring those on the space station) would be to put people on the darkside of the moon... unlike the space station, you cannot get the mental reassurance of seeing earth below you (something people on mars will obviously have to deal with) when you think about it like that, Mars will be a lot less mentally stressful because you will be able to walk around, explore etc
Dominic Gray
Yes came from previous thread guys quick rundown?
Daniel Lewis
It’s not just isolation. It’s the electric nature of our bodies and how Earth’s magnetic fields interact. Being on Mars will have dramatic effect on our heart rate and circulatory system. We’d have a better chance off earth going on a one way trip to the Trappist B system
Easton Morris
That's pretty cool. I'd be surprised if scientists have not suggested Marmorkrebs to be taken to Mars on the first flight, asexual reproduction seems like a pretty ideal quality for livestock thousands of miles away from earth
Gabriel Lopez
>livestock again, fuck you guys
Owen Taylor
Marmorkrebs? I actually thought other than livestock asexually reproducing we can grow them in a lab in embryos and keep them in a dormant state
Bentley White
Why do you disagree on livestock?
Bentley Gutierrez
cause marbles are sweet little creatures who wouldn't even hurt a fly, never once pinched me or killed any of my koi (fish in pond), they don't deserve to be livestock for Marslards
Jeremiah Russell
haha seeAlso, Hello m8. this was a slower thread than yesterdays, you haven't missed much. I posted a bit of neat info at the beginning on business opportunities, interesting stuff like that
Mason Hill
>marslards
Nathaniel Phillips
No stop being a selfish prick we are going to need those mamorkrebs to feed the colony
Logan Scott
>Marslards This should be a meme
Luis Morales
This is true. Taking stored animal embryos (along with a seed bank for plants etc) will definitely happen, but not straight away... because any food needed to keep the animals alive you could just use for the people instead. Once the big greenhouses are created and grass is grown i imagine livestock like pigs and cows could be raised there UNLESS there are some unknown complications cause by low grav that effects animals worse than humans
Jose Watson
fight me faggit
also we can't meme an insult hundreds of years before the given people exist... or can we?
Lucas Campbell
Seriously, where is the space Nazi meme. We need the space Nazi meme.
Julian Butler
No u
We can meme an insult for a given people that doesn't exist it will make it even FUNNIER.
Lucas Roberts
We can still use livestock inside biodomes without waiting 100-200 years for Mars to get it's atmosphere back with the greenhouse effect
Landon Cooper
Bump
Samuel Gomez
Seriously speaking now, crayfish would be an excellent choice for artificial ecosystems, being bottom feeders, they could live solely off detritus from hydroponic farms, also doubling as a nice protein and calcium source, albeit they're a bit high in cholesterol
And with a particular parthenogenic species, the population could be expanded and culled at a whim, few other arthropods could match such utility
Andrew Scott
Really wow I like that.
Would the colony's diet consist of mostly of the crayfish or should we "diversify" our choices for food.
Remember water is trapped under the Martian surface as ice.
William Hernandez
Space cajuns? Crawfish boils? I like where this is going
