We know Hitler and the Nazis (and especially muh 6 gorillion) are surrounded by propoganda and lies, and this makes sense, as Hitler was an enemy of many Western countries.
But so was Stalin. How do we know things said about Stalin and Communism aren't also propoganda?
It's all lies designed to stop anyone considering an alternative system that starves the (((bourgeoisie))).
It is. Hitler was only the enemy for 5 years. We were enemies for 40 yeas btw (and still are)
Sure, some of it is propaganda, but the Holodomor and Gulags and NKVD terror wasn't fake because nearly everyone living in the USSR at the time remembers it. A lot of Germans were genuinely surprised when details about the Holocaust came out.
But how much of it was genuinely necessary? Kulaks and counter-revolutionaries were rampant at the time.
>but the Holodomor and Gulags and NKVD terror wasn't fake because nearly everyone living in the USSR at the time remembers it.
But the devil is in the details. People also remember that Holodomor was a simple hunger, and Gulags were insignificant (twice less per capita than modern USA) and aimed against elites or collaborationists.
It obviously happened, since it's not commonly known or being pushed.
I still don't get why Hitler decided to invade Russia, if it wasn't for that things could have been much different.
>why did Hitler, who hated (((Bolshevism))), attack the world capital of Bolshevism
He was irrational. And his irrational logic is outlined in Mein Kampf. He decided everything back then more or less.
Non-meme answer : it is impossible to become the European continental hegemon without subduing Russia. Napoleon knew this, Hitler knew this.
Dude, did you even read Mein Kampf? His main idea was to push out Slavic untermensch and claim living space for the Germans, not as much as dealing with whatever ideology in a foreign state.
>aimed against elites or collaborationists
yeah, "collaborationists" from countries that the USSR illegally annexed or occupied.
Because the ones who are lying are the jews. And it was mostly jews doing all the atrocities in USSR. They just shift all the blame onto Stalin. That's where the lie. Because Stalin purged a lot of them in the end.
And they also shift the blame onto Russians too, although they were the number one victim of jewish atrocities actually.
Take for example Holodomor, you rarely heard about it in the past. Until the whole Ukraine shitshow and anti-Russian hysteria started. The truth is soviet famine of 1932-33 happened all over USSR and millions of different ethnic groups died in it, including Russians. And if you take percentage-wise, Kazakhs suffered the most. But you don't hear about Kazakhs, because Kazakhs are not anti-Russian like Ukraine. And you never hear about real perpetrators of soviet famines both in 1921-22 and 1932-33 - the jews. It's all Stalin's and ruskies fault.
>Kulaks and counter-revolutionaries were rampant at the time.
Why shouldn't they be rampant? Some foreign non-Russian agents took over the country and started building some retarded system on the backs of the common people.
They both repeated the same mistake.
In both cases alliance with Russia would lead to defeat of Anglo.
>illegally
Oh, I'm sorry. You probably should put your country in less strategically important region.
>annexed or occupied.
liberated from their capitalist oppressors.
Because his successors in the same government denounced him for it, because we still find charnel pits with hundreds of bodies with 22 calibre bullet holes in the back of their skulls, because we have accurate records of population oh Ukraine before the famine and after, we have bones that still surface from nameless slave laborers who dug canals on the Volga and were simply pushed to the side.
The British are located off of the European continent. Their navy is surely to be feared, but you can become the European hegemon without conquering the British : indeed, British foreign policy for decades was to prevent the rise of one dominant European power. Russia, due to its geography which places it next to the great Central European plains and grants it great resources, is a natural threat for any aspiring European continental power.
>Because his successors in the same government denounced him for it
Khrushchev and Gorbachev were good goys
Khrushchev helped him to die after the stroke.
Stalin was an uneducated thug, he was literally robbing banks and killing people for the Boleshiviks during his early life. He was a Slavic nigger who got in power and ran the country like only a nigger can.
>he was literally robbing banks and killing people for the Boleshiviks during his early life
His dedication to the cause was admirable.
everything you hear about politics is propaganda to a certain degree. trust nobody.
cause millions died in the war and starved to death?
Because the vast majority of their (communists) deaths were the result of wars and incompetence. I would even say that the killing fields were a war rather than a genocide- in the sense of a civil war. The famines, the likes of the Great Leap Forward and in Ukraine 1930's were just commie failure more than anything else. I call it fair warning.
Liberation of our land, also our caucus oil
Stalin was a kike puppet. But, when he started to purge the kikes after WW2 (((they))) poisoned him.
>I still don't get why Hitler decided to invade Russia
The Soviet Union were sharpening their teeth, getting ready to invade Europe when Germany and the rest of the European powers become exhausted to the point where they couldn't put up a fight. Hitler knew the Soviets were going to strike any time, so he declared the war himself, to set the war to his own terms, hoping to secure Stalingrad and cut Stalin from the Caucus Oil
Another reason Germany invaded was because of the shitshow the Soviets performed during the Finnish-Soviet Winter War. Word came out of the Pyrrhic victory and that the Soviet military was incompetent and suffered massive casualties against the Fins, and Hitler thought that if he invaded Russia, the Germans could mirror Finnish results and win
>Stalin was a kike puppet.
He played the Kikes in their own game and won. For a Georgian, he outjewed Lenin and Trotsky well and purged the Jews when he no longer found them useful
>Not all Jews are communists, but all communists are Jews
Stalin was a Jew. There's a bit of flack thrown his way because of those gulag things that got a lot of (non jewish) press. HOWEVER
Stalin was referred to as Uncle Joe.
Stalin's Russia was an ALLIED power.
Stalin's Russia propagated the Death Camp myth
Stalin systematically implemented Trotsky's vision to a MUTHER FUCKING "T" in Russia.
Stalin --was-- a Jew. They throw their own under the bus (all the political fallings out as of recent, Weiner, Clinton, Rosenstein) (all the Hollywood execs/directors/actors that are going under) until there are none left to sacrifice.
They are literally subservient to the more powerful Jew above them to the point of taking the fall; whether they willingly do it or not (controlled by the system). Remember:
>Not all Jews are communists, but all communists are Jews
I'll tell you the difference. Stalin and Mao didn't deliberately exterminate entire populations. You had political and economic upheavals which are different. Stalin and Mao were anti-imperialist. While Hitler was a militarist and he took power with terror unlike Stalin and Mao.
Nice try, NazBol. But everyone knows the decidely un-Jewish national Aristocracy are just as much an enemy of Socialism as a few bankers and middle men. Jews are an oppressed minority like Lenin said.
>Stalin --was-- a Jew.
No, he wasn't. He was a communist middle man who stole the Soviet throne from Trotsky through deception
>Stalin was referred to as Uncle Joe.
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>Stalin's Russia was an ALLIED power.
He was going to invade Europe until the US produced the atomic bomb and advanced their aviation to the point where his tanks were obsolete
>Stalin's Russia propagated the Death Camp myth
He wanted to destroy Germany and vilify their legacy
>Stalin systematically implemented Trotsky's vision to a MUTHER FUCKING "T" in Russia.
How is "Permanent Revolution" the same as "Socialism in One State"
Bullshit. Nuremberg Laws in 1935, Kristallnacht in 1938, Blood Purge in 1934 and bombing of Spain in 1936. They're just surprised they lost.
Just reclaimed territory stolen from Russia. Stalin had a non-aggression pact with Hitler because France and England refused to help Spain.
Lies, Lies, Lies. Don't lie Ivan. The Bolshveiks were all the oppressed minorities under the Czar, Georgians, Jews, Balts, everyone.
Put Ukraine in perspective. In 1920s, Ukrinains we're shooting Polish officials and in 1921 Poland and Russia fought. Russia was threatened by imperialism from various angles.
No lyin' Ivan.
Never even try to compare the genocidal mass-murder of the Holocaust to the struggle for collectivization and industrialization and the multi-facted conflict between the communists and the Kulaks in the USSR.
What a faggot. Russia was the Prison House of Nations. Czarist nonsense. All non-Russians we're under the Slavic boot.
Stalin was a supremely strong man with an abnormally powerful mind. He worked his way to the top in one of the harshest political environments ever and did whatever it took to say there while modernizing the USSR and fighting off it's enemies (everyone who wasn't USSR.)
Only Muhammad can be said to have achieved more in a worldly sense, but that's in name only.
>A lot of Germans were genuinely surprised when details about the Holocaust came out.
People in the towns next to the camps knew about it.