Was Fate the best route after all?

Was Fate the best route after all?

None of them are very good, honestly. There's definitely some solid story in there, but the dialogue and plot progression are so absolutely flat and childish (not to mention slow and redundant), that you'd have to be a literal shut in autist who's life is completely devoid of human interaction to take anything from those stories.

The new WW film literally ripped off the "idealistic hero coming to terms with reality" plotline and even had Ares do the "Gate of Babylon" move i.e. he formed swords and weapons from steel and debris then fired them at WW.
American audiences loved it.

Yes, Sakura's route is garbage and Rin's route is actually Archers route. Also what timeline does blackend Emiya alter comes from?

>(((Americans))) ripping off a superior culture
I'm shocked

Better than fucking UBW that's for god damn certain

She is an inferior Mordred.

OP has good taste for once.

No.

Yes. It just needs better writing and it'd be a fine story. UBW's story is tryhard and hoaky. Wormroute is just edgy bullshit

Something looks off about that image and I can't figure out what.

what is WW? I don't keep up with movies.

Something to do with the chin and profile line

Wonder woman

It's exactly what you expect from a story about servants fighting to the death, nothing more, nothing less.
It follows a very linear and predictable structure, except for maybe the very end with Kotomine and the kids, but that doesn't mean it's bad. It just pales in comparison with the other two for being too basic.
Saber backstory was pretty much the only thing of worth the other routes don't offer.

Incorrect. People fail to realize that fate isn't a story with 3 routes, but one giant story. Fate to UBW to HF you're introduced to these characters and you get to see the gradual evolution of Shirou. At first you know normal protagonist, then you see the cracks inside him, the emptiness. And you see how he clings to this ideal to give meaning to himself. And you then see him finally want something for himself. A selfishness, the first instance of him being a human. Overall it's definitely an interesting heroes journey when read through all 3 routes.

But ultimately the best route would've been Illya route

The eyes, the one that's further away is bigger for some reason. It's a pretty common Takeuchi quirk and I've never been able to unsee it since I first noticed it.

Hasn't Nasu said that a hypothetical Ilya route is the one that would lead to Shirou becoming EMIYA?

How come these threads stay up but if I make a Tsukihime thread I get banned and the mods tell me to go to /jp/?

Because Tsukihime doesn't have an anime.

>The new WW film literally ripped off the "idealistic hero coming to terms with reality" plotline
If you're this much of a delusional fatefag to think that Nasu invented this type of story you need to explore more avenues of media

>but if I make a Tsukihime thread I get banned and the mods tell me to go to /jp/
You must have been being an asshole because I've made Tsukihime threads before that did fine.

You missed the part about Ares' GoB move, retard.

So slow. So redundant. But I'd say Fate is the worst because Shirou is so mind boggling stupid. I mean he's always stupid, but he's stupidest in Fate.

Nope.
It's been theorized that Archer EMIYA probably had a deep connection with Ilya because of some things he says about her. But UBW, Fate, HF Shirou, none of them go down Archer Emiya's path.

And I'd hope a hypothetical Ilya route Shirou wouldn't either. He'd abandon his old save everyone ideal like in HF, and focus on protecting Ilya the most.

I like Fate the best personally, but I think it's weighed down with explanations of the rules of every little detail that the following routes can take in stride and play with. Beyond that I like it's straightforward idealistic narrative, and the initial reveals of Gil's existence and Kirei manipulation.

but that first h-scene will never not leave a bad taste in my mouth for feeling so forced, the story would do better without it not that my dick minds

I want to be Shirou's girlfriend and make him the happiest person in the world.

Hell no

>You must have been being an asshole because I've made Tsukihime threads before that did fine.
This thread is discussing the VN routes is it not? That would make it /jp/ not Sup Forums related.

Ares predates Fate by about 60 years try again

I thought the first one was okay. Saber sucking Shirou's dick and taking the lead in the second one felt really out of character and cringy on the other hand.

Sorry but the moral here is that mods are inconsistent sacks of shit.
I haven't reported a single thing since the war on nipples. Who would trust the moderation again after that.

Nasu already confirmed Archer came from an alternate Fate route where he didn't save Saber's heart

You're the one who is trying too hard here. If you think HF is edgy, then you blocked out the orphans in the priest's basement showcased in the Fate route, or the antagonist being a literal "women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" retard.

All three are part of one big stostory

She knows how to please men because she had a dick before. It makes sense :)

I mean I don't mind the scenes themselves, I imagine anybody can suck a [any euphemism Nasu uses for dick], but just the setup to it is really jarring.

MAGE' S SEMEN

Fuck off wormslut

I've been saying that all along.

Fate - best romance
UBW - best pacing
HF - best plot

Ares never did any sword shooting in the comics though

>>And I'd hope a hypothetical Ilya route Shirou wouldn't either. He'd abandon his old save everyone ideal like in HF, and focus on protecting Ilya the most.
I'd read it.

The pacing is a mess in all of the routes, UBW is just the least awful.

I always though the romance between Saber and Shirou was terrible, in both concept and execution.

Quite honestly the only romance that actually felt real to me was with Sakura.

Is that remake supposed to actually come out like...ever? Potential Ilya route then?

When would an Ilya route even fit in? I vote after UBW/before HF, so after Shirou realizes his ideals aren't realistic but clings anyway and before he throws them all away for Sakura?

Fuck no, it has the blandest vision of shirou, the weakest fights, leaves the most shit unexplored, it drags the most because of plot introduction and most characters strongest moments arent in it.

Unless you really like Saber or Gilgamesh, there is no reason to like Fate route the best.

>Sakura
That slut just jumped on his dic and pretended to be his wife while murdering half the town and then tried to kill him.

The only girl that could actually form a healthy relationship with Shirou was Rin.

I don't think any FSN remake was ever announced. The only remake announced is Tsukihime which seems to still be stuck in development hell.

The slow pacing is an acquired taste. Having played Tsukihime before, it didn't bothered me that much

>Gilgamesh
lol what he gets in Fate? Jobs and acts like a retard again?

The best work for Gilfags are outside the main series, those are Strange Fake and his route in CCC.

Dunno, he felt pretty healthy with Saber in Avalon while he's bound to enter in conflict with Rin because of his crazy heroism.

I have always said this. If Shirou's character wasn't in a battle series with magical elements in a niche Japanese medium he'd be marveled as a literary masterpiece, a modern Hamlet that defines modern protagonists. First he'd need to be moved into a story without magic, and instead his backstory was that he was a survivor of a terrorist bombing 10 years and was then saved by the terrorist who planned the whole event. Then you could replace all the magical backstory with political elements and set the story in the Middle East, replace the Holy Grail War with a regular war, etc. If you had a more "serious" story that people didn't judge on the fact it had porn scenes and was from Japan, people would be regarding Shirou as one of the most interesting protagonists of modern literature. This is a fact that none of us can escape from, Shirou's psychology and thematic progression is absolutely incredible.

It's the route he gets the least shafted at and wears his silly blond armor the most. Some would say he gets to fuck Heracles in UBW, but that is more of a Berserker moment than his, and even puts on doubt his OP skills by theorizing goldie's possible defeat if Illya wasnt such a sitting duck in the fight.

God Fate route has fucking nothing, dont ever respect a man who chooses it as his favorite route (unless he is a waifu saberfag), it reeks of shit taste.

>the weakest fights
Saber vs Gilgamesh and Shirou vs Kotomine >> Shirou vs Gilgamesh

HF had the best fights though

>leaves the most shit unexplored

It currently suffers from people already knowing the major twists of it: Saber's indentity, Kiritsugu's true personality, Kirei's betrayed, Gilgamesh's existence, the grail's nature, the reason behind Shirou's distortion, etc so it really seems like some shit is "unexplored" but that isn't how it works, all of the routes explore different things. Fate is meant to explore Saber and it sets out to do that

First time reading HF I was too shocked by Sakura's evil side and just thought of her as a slut.
Going back you notice how close they are. She isn't just some random girl to Shirou. She's his osananajimi, almost like his sister. They care about each other like family and the evil side of her is just one half of her duality.

I'd never choose Sakura over anyone else myself. But I think she's the best choice for Shirou.

I frankly enjoyed Fate more than UBW. Fate felt like more a grounded tale of the grail war while UBW reeks of shonen shit garbage.

And Gilgamesh had a poor showing in it no matter how you see it, he was an one note antagonist for Saber to defeat. Which is no different from how he is in UBW or HF for Shirou and Sakura respectively

>and just thought of her as a slut.

She is a slut, though.

The Day 15 Church encounter in Fate is the most powerful scene in the visual novel. While the concept of these orphans is incredibly over the top, the way it's built up and the metaphors used really help make it believable, like how Shirou seems to journey down into hell, in a church, and not just any hell, is own personal hell. We see the kind of trauma Shirou is hiding in his mind, even from himself, and we get a look at all the hidden broken pieces he's tried to not let show around others. The idea that his own inner sense of responsibility guild and drive is manifested as these voices that can't be there is great, and it's a wonderful case of Shirou conquering himself that he manages to get those voices to stop, voices that have been silently whispering for 10 years. The other, even more powerful half, is Saber's, how she sees this and it touches her heart and soul in a way that can't be described. I love how these two characters were able to reject their demons because of the bond they shared, they needed to counqer their demons themselves, but the other person was needed as a guiding light for it. I also love the way Saber's answer skillfully mixes all three of Shirou's from each FSN route, with her refusing to kill the one she loves for her ideals (HF, there's even an alt scene where she makes the opposite choice as a bad end, mirroring Mind of Steel), then stopping to rethink her life and realizing that even if she failed, she needs to take pride in her effort (UBW), then resolving not to be controlled by her past anymore (Fate). In this way, this scene is for me, the ultimate climax for the VN, as it carries the full message that FSN tries to convey (or at least what I got out of it): Impossible dreams, while impossible, are still worth believing in to see how far you can get, but this pursuit should be placed below something else, something real, because if you sacrifice everything for something that can't come true, you end up with nothing.

>She's his osananajimi
No? They know each other for over a couple of years at best

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That's not all there is to her though, is what I mean. Affection and desire are the two sides of her.
It's unfortunate that she never really gets a chance to redeem herself. She has it in her, but Ilya was the one who closed the grail and killed Zouken. Shirou took down Kirei by himself. Sakura didn't get redemption by her own hand, only by Shirou's.

>Kotomine just standing there letting Shirou attack him
>good

HF >> Fate > UBW for me.

Fate is very vanilla but solid enough. HF is a dark tragedy that reveals the secrets we didn't know yet. UBW has it's good parts but it's full of chuuni garbage and has a really weak middle part and a very contrived final battle plagued with an asspull.

I'm pretty sure mods on Sup Forums don't mind VN talk.

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Are you fucking retarded?
Go back to

>Witnessing the grail mud effect first hand
>Not good or not interesting

Mind you, I do think the HF battle between the two of them is better.

no, the best one is UBW.

Rin brings out the best of Shirou and they end up following their objectives and becoming better people due to each other. Also Saber sticks up with them.

The other routes are basically otaku's dream of running away from reality. And HF "sakuras" is edgy depressive bullshit.

Hence why Rin's route is the best.

Dont get me wrong, I love saber and she is super waifu but for Shirou he needs to look at the future, hence Rin. She could also give him a senpai.

This tbqh.

Remove the romance and Fate would have been pretty good, but incomplete. UBW is necessary to complete it.

HF is not necessary in that sense, but provides an interesting lens to view the characters through. I know people like fighting over best girls and routes, but I think F/SN as a whole would be worse if any of the routes were removed entirely. The only element I feel that does nothing but detract is, again, Saber's romance with Shirou. It adds nothing to either character and honestly did not feel organic or natural in the least.

>le edgelord faggs and nu males.

>HF
>"""The other routes are basically otaku's dream of running away from reality""

(LOL)

I hated the way they adapted the UBW good end in the anime. They took all the fucking humor out of it.

Shirou needs to be a hero.

There's no edge to love!
Love is more powerful than ideals.

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I always saw the opposite: Saber and Shirou are both trying to save each other from their hero complexes while blind to their own hypocrisy, Sakura is mentally unstable and emotionally dependent (also the slut meme). Whereas Rin is independent and able to function as her own person with out the baggage the other girls carry, and she actually challenges Shirou on his ideals and world view and helps develop him as a person without changing who he is.

Also thighs.

>The other routes are basically otaku's dream of running away from reality.
>while saying UBW is the best
>for not running away from reality
It my favorite of the 3 but come on.

That's some insecurity you got there mate.

For you, maybe.

The romance was necessary, especially for Saber, because it allowed her to gain back a part of the human girl she discarded when she became king. And using Saber's life as a mirror, Shirou won't make the same mistake Archer did.

You might not personally like it but it's thematically important, more so than Shirou x Rin and on the same level of Shirou x Sakura

Nope

UBW > the rest

>while blind to their own hypocrisy,
Erasing that is basically the development they both go through in the route though. I'm talking about when they meet again in Avalon, don't know what's unhealthy about that.

>Rin
She'll want to settle down eventually and have kids. What she'll do with Shirou still being a hero out there?

Rin had no appeal to me. I only saw her as a someone who could teach magic or team up.

Rin was so independent she didn't care her sister was daily raped by maggots.

Even Kotomine had more humanity albeit for the wrong reasons.

I unironically think the same of Kamille.

What is this? I don't remember this pic and I 100% the game

Rin’s major conflict is that of character vs. society, where who she is as a person is constantly running up against her perceived duty as a magus and the administrator of the town. This conflict had been broached in the past — the prologue where she explains she purposely stays a loner so as not to risk anyone’s life comes to mind — but it comes to a head in this route in having to weigh the life of her sister against not just the lives of others, but of her responsibility to put a stop to what’s happening in Fuyuki. I actually think in a lot of ways she is a better example of the conflict Nasu was giving to Shirou, of trying to save one person versus trying to save everyone, because the familial relationship meant she didn’t have to become some kind of mindless Sakura sycophant in order to have a reason to not want to kill her.

Point was for Saber to have Romance so she could let go outside the King Shell. Awkward in affections outside Combat/King roles, but strong as heck in those 2 roles. That was kinda the point.

>What she'll do with Shirou still being a hero out there?
She'll lose him of course.
The tragedy of Rin's route is that Shero meets best girl and inevitably she takes him away. Sorry Tohsaka OHOHO

Preach it brother. Man i'm so glad we got the TV series side of things, even if season 2 was a little rushed.

Not my favourite route but Realta Nua ending did made me tear up. I'm really glad that they got reunited in the end because both Shirou and Saber deserved happiness.

Exactly. That's why Rin had no appeal to me, asides from recovering from her abnormal lack of empathy as she interacts more with Shirou.

Basically Rin becomes more Human as she deals with Shirou and that's the only interesting thing.

Kotomine Kirei with all his admited lack of ability to feel empathy for other people literally cared more for Sakura suffering than Rin, her sister.
Rin even wanted to kill Sakura just to finish her off.
Shirou is Rin's salvation in the terms of giving her decent emotional palette.

Kirei wanted to help Sakura so that Avenger could be born. Helping her increased the chances of him getting to enjoy people suffering in the future. Rin was the administrator of Fuyuki and it was her duty to stop something like that from happening.

I wonder if any character will get more popular with western secondaries after the HF movies.

Same.

I really hope it gets animated some day

Check'em

Almost there

>him getting to enjoy people suffering in the future
I may have interpreted things differently.

>Kamille
I agree with you 100%. Kamille had some of the most interesting character development I've ever seen.

Kotomine only gains enjoyment from seeing people suffer. Keeping Sakura alive also means that she (and Shirou) will suffer, along with all the people in the town getting murdered by the Shadow. He hates Zouken as well. He doesn't actually care about Sakura's well being.

I feel overwhelmed by the Nasuverse, even though I've already done half this shit.

Also he does a similar thing in Fate/Zero when he keeps Kariya alive to prolong his suffering.