Why did America lose the Vietnam war?

I thought it had the best military in the world.

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Why did we fight vietnam to begin with?

Americans are shit. Lost to the gooks an lost to the arabs.

did congress declare a war
wasn't aware that america actually had a "war" in vietnam

They didn't. They BTFO the commies and pulled out, promising to support non-commie vietnam with weapons and shit. Then as soon as a dem got in office they cut all support so they could have more funding for niggers.

objectively the US lost, 50k US soldiers died while ~1,000,000 viet cong died

your a dumbass. go to school, learn some history, take a few poly sci classes and then you will know why a jungle in SE asia was important - and why there was no winners or losers.

niggers

Shhh, don't go spreading reason around here.
"Your" retarded.

Do Americans get taught in school that they won Vietnam? Why are so many Americans afraid to admit they lost?

America was subverted by communists. Democracy yanked it out.

The draft filled the military with proto-soyboys.

It wasn't meant to be won, just sustained.

Big armies can't COIN , Especially in proxy wars.
Too many outside forces to upset the applecart.

Look at vietnam now and look at the USA now and tell me who won. Pic related.

Jews

yes, the USA.

Hahaha. Are you serious? Vietnam is still communist.

impossible to be communist and have capitalist businesses.

Kek

>Look at vietnam now and look at the USA now and tell me who won.
Israel

America didn't fight the war to defeat the communists, they fought to prop up the puppet dictatorship in Saigon. This was always a losing strategy. The NVA could only be defeated if the US invaded and destroyed their capacity to make war. The suits in Washington were too chickenshit to expand the war out of fear of provoking the Chinese and having a repeat of the Korean War. There were also concerns that an escalation of the war in Vietnam could lead to a shooting war directly with the Soviets.

To stop the spread of gommunizmm
Look up the Truman Doctrine
No, we didn't even talk about Vietnam at all
t. graduated high school in 2015

Are these /leftypol/ memes? Or did some fag from one of the many communist/anti-capitalist subreddits make these.

Nobody likes your shit country. You don't need to look for a bogeyman

We never lost. We just pulled out.

We weren’t allowed to win. The commie party in our own country (Democrats) fucked us over, as they always do. (((Democracy))) was a mistake.

leftypol and anal anguished russians

Do you seriously need us to tell you how we didn't actually lose it? Have you not read a book? Like actually read up on the war, like how it wasn't lost but we pulled out because of how unpopular it was? How there was a cease fire agreement signed and they violated it after we left? Stuff like that?

America lost to a bunch of gooks with rice hats as helmets. Woefully unarmed and untrained.

Also, we fought a decade long war fighting goat farmers in the Middle East. And look at how stable the Middle East is today. Millions of refugees. ISIS. Way to FUCK UP AGAIN

And /pol thinks America can win a war with Russia and China? You RETARDED? We couldn't defeat the chinks 50 years ago when they were still a 3rd world country.

>Look at vietnam now and look at the USA now and tell me who won. Pic related.

There are McDonalds in China.

Even if we didn't pull out we wouldn't have won. The Chinese would've sacrificed millions more to stop us. Just look at how the Korean War ended.

Good thing America pulled out otherwise we'd have another NK version of Vietnam

Had we let the Korean Civil War run its path, the Korean peninsilua would be at least united and we wouldn't have a tyrannical suicidal regime in the North.

Same with the Middle East.

Lose?
The CIA made hundreds of billions in Smack from the Golden Triangle.
It wasn't a war.

Listen faggot, I'm about to let you in on some knowledge. Read book related. The US lost because it failed to address the underlying social problem behind the communist insurgency in RVN. Tenant farming.

By the 1950s there was an elite class of landowners, French, Catholic and aligned Vietnamese who controlled everything. Decades of feudal practices and landowner consolidation meant that the average Vietnamese, who was a rice farmer, could never own the land he worked. He could be born a tenant farmer (sharecropper), work his whole life, and die a broke tenant farmer. His landlord didn't work fields, and he only showed up to collect rent. There was no social mobility. It turns out people don't like living that way.

The communist movement in the country was an outgrowth of North Vietnam, which had been ceded to Maoist China after the French lost their own counterinsurgency there, and it resonated in the South because it promised equitable distribution of land ownership among people who actually worked the land.

Vietnamese in the South viewed this plan favorably, but due to their cultural improvidence they never realized it was a lie- that instead of a few big landowners there would be one giant landowner. The State.

Of course communist cadres knew this and studied it in their literature, but normies didn't care and they wanted the landlords and ther foreign French/Catholic buddies gone.

So the communist apparatus grew organically. Remote landowners became unable to collect their rents due to the security situation (what with the communist cadres). More tenant farmers saw this and wanted to get rid of their own landlords. So more communist apparatus was built.

Meanwhile, the RVN government under the Diem regime was a totsl shit show of nepotism, incompetence, and was often at odds with the population over land rights.

We didn't.

>duurrrr South Vietnam doesn't exist!

Neither did half of fucking Europe in 1940, but that doesn't mean that the allies lost WWI now does it?

violently BTFO

>52k US dead.
>850k chinks ded. (a mil if you count the ded south chinks too)
>BTFO

we got bored and left. sure, that means we 'lost' or whatever, but we weren't BTFO.

America won get over it.

>Americans are so ignorant they didn't even know about the Vietnam War
TOP FUCKING KEK

No wonder you have so many homeless vets, fucking dumb millenials, learn your country's history

We weren't allowed to go ham because "muh civilian casualties"

>kill almost a mil chinks
>still lose

Never lost a battle.

was there a reason to keep going after killing a million with no results? there was no threat to us.

kek
are there more versions of these?
possibly nazi germany and the soviet union?

Reminder that China got BTFO much harder than the US did when they invaded shortly after.

The main reasons the Republic of Vietnam lost were corruption and stupidity. For example it offered no support to soldiers injured in battle. If you lost a leg the most you would get from the RoV was a tree branch for a crutch. This made them reluctant to fight, and rightly so.

>start a war for no reason
>kill hundreds of thousands
>still get btfo
lol

After a few close calls with losing, the communist revolution by 1960 was on the glide path to overthrowing society and replacing it with integration into the governance if North Vietnam- a Maoist Chinese client state. All communism is centralized, remember.

It wasn't until after the sutuation became untenable and unfixable did the US deploy forces. In 1962 Diem, the central US point of failure, was assassinated. The RVN government never came close to winning after that. It turns out you can't kill a population enough to make them agree with you, especially of you're asking them to live a fucked up way of life. Cross-reference the Soviet-Afghan War.

Last night I saw this documentary about McNamara ( youtu.be/h8ZhIi57x-4 ), who was an interesting guy, but the tapes of him talking to Kennedy and later LBJ revealed that between the three of them, they didn't have a dime's worth of understanding of what the fuck was happening in Vietnam. Nobody in the American government seemed to have the language capability, intellectual curiosity, empathy, or sociological chops to make sense of why there was a communist insurgency. Consequently, their responses were wholly irrelevant to the problem. Free shit, roads, schools, multi-million dollar aircraft, high tech commo gear- it was all wasted because none of it was ever going to help the tenant farming situation.

The US failure in Vietnam was a clusterfuck of failing to understand the situation and what to do about it, and of the American statist concept of building and enforcing a top-down political power structure in a foreign country. The US never should have been there, and if they wanted to contain communism they should have been payong the fuck attention to what was happening in Vietnam in 1945.

>Americans were a spoiled boys that just wanted to go back home.

>Commies knew their weakness and avoid american in a face to face combat. They prefered to hide in the jungle, make tunnels and organize ambushes.

>So, vietcong play with strategy knowing them self and their enemy. They just made american's soldiers life miserable every time they could.

>Americans were leadead for ww2 old generals that used to fight against organized armies like nazis and americans just couldn't understand how to fight with their enemy.


So, the surprise for american leaders was the same when prusia (the most organized army in europe those days) fight with french army leaded for Napoleon that didnt have a precise formation and also the soldiers carried with their own equipment on backpacks when spoiled prusians have servants that carried stuff for them. Prusians were raped brutally.

At the end of the war, when surrended americans negotiate ihe drop out of their troops from vietnam; american and vietnam general talked(sorry I don't remember their names)...

>American said: You know, you never defeat us in the batlefiel, not even once.

>Vietnam General answered: Yeah, that's true but also irrelevant.

Can someone explain this picture to me please, I'm seeing it more and more and I don't get it.

Is there actually a joke, or is it one of those "it's funny cause it's crude" memes?

If your objective was to let commies take Vietnam then ya you won.

Why can't Americans admit they lost?
There is no shame
Every country has lost wars
Give props to yr enemy for hes victory

>Australian education; 52k>1mil; doesn't know the difference between bored and BTFO.

France and the UK clinging to colonial powers and dragging the US into it

Followed by presidents who didnt want to be seen as the ones who lost the war.

Further it doesn't seem like any modern military has successfully fought against a full scale Guerrilla force

That's true, but also irrelevant.

We didn't lose. The Vietcong surrendered and then we, under agreement, supplied the South Vietnamese with as much ammo ("bullet-for-bullet") as needed in order to keep things under control.

Then (((Watergate))) happened, and the Demonshit members of Congress decided to break our agreement with the South Vietnamese. The Cong/North Vietnamese took this opportunity to go back on their surrender.

Then the Tet Offensive happened, and other fucked up shit, like hippie boomers cursing veterans who arrived back from the war.

All a (((political scheme))) to make communism seem great. Thankfully, Reagan handled the Soviets without direct conflict (though he did strengthen the Afghans, to everyone's detriment).

We're taking about the Vietnam war not the Emu war you dumbass.

>tfw we've been at war with people who live on dirt floor, use soviet era weaponry, and blow up bombs with nokia phones for decades

>ultimately the US military is just policing the oil in the region

This. There was no real objective in Vietnam other than "kill the enemy" which the government was too afraid to do effectively. Curtis LeMay wanted to drop some nukes on the NVA, but that would have probably been a terrible idea. The US should have never gotten involved in France's colonial problems.

Great points, but Vietnamization was a total joke. Vietnamese do not have the cultural history of maintaining and using high tech military hardware, so they didn't. Also, the RVN government was shit and so its soldiers were shit.

The communists had gained enough support in RVN by (((Watergate))) that no amount of troops or dollars could have helped. The die was cast by 1960. The US was just too late to that party, and like I said above, they didn't do their homework.

>There was no real objective in Vietnam other than "kill the enemy"

This is correct. US leadership had no clie what the hell the conflict was even about.

Vietnam lost the Vietnam war. How is being taken over by communists 'winning'?

Communist infiltration hampering our ability to fight via our rat infested congress.

Then they sent out thier media moles to make sure we didn't do anything to """unethical""" so even in the south our hands were tied. If we did anything it would get broadcasted on TV news in america and they would demonize soldiers even more

Complete indiscipline, insubordination, drug abuse, young punks, weak men.

Give credit where credit is due. Those gooks could fight.

Also we didn't use our nukes. We should of nuked them. That would of been cool.

Low quality analysis tbqh lads.

The NVA listed 1.1 million killed in action. That's just what they admitted to. NVA regulars and VC guerillas were far from great soldiers. The only quality they had was quantity, so they leveraged it. Personally, I think they did it the hard way but I'm not going to argue with a million dead commietroopers.

lol nice b8 but we didnt "lose." we took a giant steamy shit on vietnam. dumped so much agent orange on them that their kids are born with birth defects to this day. it was an unwinnable quagmire though, because the soviets were arming and training them, just like we did with the afghans in the 80's

How could you use nukes when you supoused to be helping that country?

>public school: the us lost to the commies
>private school: the us left because of democrats
>Sup Forums: hitler was right

Has anyone else noticed a sudden interest in the Vietnam war? For the past year there's been endless threads about it, as well as films and documentaries, and I feel it has something to do with the real possibility of war with North Korea sometime this decade.
Trump is talking to Vietnam leaders for a reason.

Come back when you read at least 5 books on the topic.

>nazbol twitter cancer thinking they're supposed to be distinguishable from leftypol somehow

i really hope that ass fucked countryball thing takes off, funniest shit ive seen in weeks

it's been a real meme for a few months now

We won all the battles, but failed the objective, and so lost the war. HR Macmaster is an authority on why this happened.

is there a name for it?

poland dick

Yes, Vietnam "won." Getting bombed back to the peace table in Operation Linebacker II was the literal definition of "winning."

Today, Vietnam has the lowest valued currency in the world, lower than Venezuela. at 33,000 Dong to 1 USD.

>retards
>doing anything right

are you braindead?

The USA didn't lose at all
The natives who begged for help in the first place just decided to kick the foreigners out
Saigon fell shortly afterwards

Americans won every major engagement in Vietnam, killed 10 vietcong for every US soldier lost. But for political reasons they weren't allowed to chase the vietcong across the border into Laos and Cambodia where they were hiding. If we had been cleared to cross the border we could have wiped the vietcong out in a few months.

Sup Forums is definetely not gay, no homo.

And yet you spics keep flooding our borders daily

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>be America
>go to war
>not allowed to use full force by government because it's not officially declared a war
>still beat the shit out of enemy at every turn despite them being given equipment by russia including jets
>basically occupy entire country with the Vietnam forces using every means possible but ofc it doesn't do much to superior technology and firepower
>enemies die in the hundreds of Thousands American casualties barely a fraction of this
>hippies keep protesting until anti war president is elected
>president demands all forces withdraw
>all troops forced to pack up and leave without finishing the job even though Viet cong are already all but defeated
>"""lost""" war
dems be the facts
deny it all you want losers

probably helps you feel less ashamed when living in a vassal state of the US to pretend our military isn't the most powerful the world's ever seen

Liberals.
We lost the war at home politically.

A lot of the population hated the war, and leaving Vietnam didn't directly effect the US.

people got bored of counting dead farmers' bodies for combat pay

Lol this guy thinks the usa left vietnam because they got bored

>Salty third worlders think America went HAM on Vietnam or that the Vietnamese killed a sizable number of Americans.
>These same third worlders fantasize about their shitty population standing a chance against America in an all out war and stopping AC-130s and MOABs because the vietnamese signed a treaty, renigged and then blockades the beaches in a time of political unrest about the situation.
Get educated, losers.

Because leftist morons scared people out of voting for Goldwater.
He wanted to nuke Charlie.
Would have ended that 'war' real damn quick.
But (((we))) decided that wasn't what we should do.
Shame.
We've been carrying that L ever since. A fight we fought with both hands tied by liberalism.

it was like a normal year in chiraq for most of them

it's the only way they can try and feel not inferior
I would probably feel like shit too if I was living in a country that the US could choose to take over whenever they wanted and literally no one could stop them

Now post NVA casualites.

They were hiding out in little bitch tunnels and we didn't have the balls to just flood them all with napalm

It certainly wasn't the casualties lost that forced them

Fucking hippies

kek, what an insane picture.

This. After the tet offensive the north was a broken military power. If America had consolidated on those victories it would be a different story

To establish an anti-communist nationalist government in the country. Mainly, the United States backed Ngo Dinh Diem and his regime in Southern-Vietnam. However, Diem's government was failing not because of combat with the northern counterpart, but because of political matters. So, during Kennedy's presidency (1961-1963) he authorized an ambassador and ((((retired)))) CIA agent to travel into Southern Vietnam and influence the locals to overthrow Ngo Dinh Diem. After the successful overthrowing of Diem, South Vietnam was fucked due to the North employing propaganda wars claiming America was installing puppet-presidents in Vietnam, Anyhow, the war was absolutely fucked.

It's called guerilla warfare tactics. Look it up.
Americans can fight head to head and win but using their brain is whole other situation.

America did win the Vietnam War, the jews stabbed us in the back