Why is it that I always hear stories of former liberals who got "redpilled" and became conservatives/libertarians/alt-right, but I never have ever heard a story of an alt-right type becoming a liberal/progressive? Why is this pathway such a one-way street?
I don't want to think that we are infallible, but sometimes it seems that way.
You get smarter and wiser as you get older so it's logical to be a liberal when you're a kid and a conservative when you're older. Just look at all the hippies from the 60's, now most of them are at the very least some sort of libertarian
Because the focus is on reality.
Redpilling is a recognition of reality.
The regressive left is only possible if you deny reality.
Making the transition from reality to fantasy would require a psychotic break or drugs or something.
t. former Democrat / lefty
Shit, how did it feel to go from being a dem to this side of things? Was it painful?
Actually, yes.
Having your world view torn from you means you must construct a new one.
This is a very unpleasant experience.
Suddenly everything is up for grabs.
All facts may or may not be relevant.
You have to question and research everything just to be sure you're not fooling yourself into believing more bullshit.
It's almost paranoia inducing.
My journey started back in 2007 or so.
Full swing was in 2009.
I've had a couple of bumps here and there.
This last year pretty much blew me away - which I was not at all expecting.
The last time I had my world view rocked it was just government complicity in 9/11.
Race realism and the decline of western civilization makes 9/11 seem quaint.
I was trained to think of the races as being equal.
Facing the inequality was a tall order.
I'm an above average I.Q. white male, so this hit close to home because according to the dogma I'd grown up with I was bad for even acknowledging my own person.
I've decided that being above average means there's a duty, on my part, to use it for something good.
It's not like you're just "good" for being born with certain traits.
Well, that's how I stay sane.
The point is I've had to go through very serious assessments of what I think about the world and how I interact with it.
And, yes, it was most certainly unpleasant.
I'm the better for it, though.
The world is more coherent.
I don't have to make excuses for observations that don't fit dogma.
All prattling aside the easiest analogy is a rebirth.
Birth is painful and you'd think the poor mother was dying.
Through the pain, the blood and the screaming new life comes about.
The experience is always worth it.
I wouldn't trade my redpilling for anything.
One Finnish neo-nazi Esa Henrik Holappa became a sort of antinazi. But he's organization consisted and consist of total idiots and clowns so he never was a past of anything inteligent. fi.wikipedia.org
*his
Sorry for my bad English.
I considered myself a blue collar democrat in the 1990s even though i voted for Ross Perot twice. I thought W Bush was bullshit because the US fought a revolution to escape a hereditary dynasty. I naively voted for Obama twice because i didnt think race relations were as bad as they really are, plus i bought into the idea of hope and change. Most of my core beliefs have not changed but i saw that the democrats became anti white, anti america and pro open borders globalist. With the democrats being openly hostile to me i went for the only viable alternative President Trump, hopefully the populist wing of the Republican Party overtakes the neo cohens and then i will have found my new political home. The hardest part was becoming way more race realist, i wanted everybody to be able to get along, but it is just not reality. I was born in my uniform. This is a war for survival, and i want my team to win.14
Hear hear.
Gay
I went from political dumbass (age 10) to liberal (age 11) to full-on commie (age 12) to conservative (age 13) to conservative-libertarian (age 14) in just 4 years lol
This is fairly similar to my experience. I've actually had to experience it twice, first when I lost my faith, and then when I stopped being a leftist. You're spot on with the paranoia, I constantly find myself thinking "Is this real, or does somebody just want me to think its real".
I suspect the constant divisions within Sup Forums are a product of enough people with this mental tic.
The fact of the matter is, there IS counterintelligence working against us.
This is why I try to base everything on verifiable facts.
If I can't corroborate information from more than one source I'll likely dismiss it as hearsay.
This helps me with a lot of second guessing.
As for the shills in Sup Forums, yes, they exist and I find myself going the route of, "fucking trolls."
I take very little seriously and assume someone is either trolling or a shill trying to fuck with perceptions of reality.
I trust very little anymore.
This makes it easier for me to deal with complex and contradictory information.
I dismiss a lot of it as people being falsehood spreading cunts.
As they say in the Bible, "You shall know them by the fruit of their labor."
Trolls and shills ultimately have nothing to offer and so you'll see them drop a few sentences and then fuck off.
Anyway, I'm prattling.
When I was a teenager, I was far left. When I decided to join the military to pay for college, I was a left leaning libertarian. After 2 years in the military, I turned into center right conservative.
I wasn't trying to say that there wasn't, there most certainly is, but the level of
>you're a shill
>no you're a shill
>this is disinfo
>no you're a pysop
is most likely a result of this level of paranoia. Probably a good thing, given the circumstances.
I was pretty liberal before the 16 election and even voted for Clinton. The lefts complete inability to deal with losing the election was a big redpill to me. Now I'm more conservative but I live in California so everyone treats me like a Nazi.
Congratulations on seeing through the echo chamber. California is going to be a tough nut to crack, i see it more as a containment zone and negative example while the remaining 47 conus are recolonized. Hang in there, you are now part of the solution.
If the major cities want to grant sanctuary status, we should allow them to choke on their own shit and then dictate harsh terms for federal,assistance, since technically they are in a state of rebellion by nullifying and openly defying federal law. Its funny because most of these cucks would identify as Union if questioned about the US Civil War. Strange days indeed.
It's a part of growing up, lad
A child is dependent, coun't rightly survive without suckin mums tits. Could be said we're all born socialists. But as we come of age, we begin to have interests, and a drive to take on responsibility, having made it thus far, we begin to see a future that needs saving for... which is the very definition of a conservative.
>Why is it that I always hear stories of former christians who got "educated" and became atheists/agnostic, but I never have ever heard a story of atheist type becoming a christian? Why is this pathway such a one-way street?
>I don't want to think that we are infallible, but sometimes it seems that way.
Because emotional retards, as they age, tend to advance away from thier retarded emotions
Heres one, i fell for the fedora meme 10 years ago and over time i started to realize that there is no real purpose in life and i became very depressed. As the opiod crises began taking my musical heroes away i knew i needed something in my life that was missing. I found it in the saving Grace of God through his son Jesus Christ. It works for me, i want to wake up in the morning and I know there is a purpose in my life. You have free will to make your own decisions, bit dont think for a minue that science or technology or any other materialistic desire will fill the void in your heart. Only God can do that.
>You must be at least 18 to use Sup Forums
You need to go back
Because just like the universe the truth is asymmetrical.
Don't post here until you are 18.
At that point you will be a fascist.
Bevause you get most of these stories from Sup Forums, if people turned leftie they would stop posting here.
Go on Reddit and you can find plenty of stories of conservatives turning liberal.
Hear plenty of stories of born again christian, but more important, none truly fall away, if they were brought up christian. Avoiding the church was Jesus' most important message to us all.
Mathew 6
Do not be like the hypocrites in the synagogues.
Verily Jesus told his disciples not to build a church. Knowing they bring nothing but corruption.
He said pray in your closet. And bring heaven on Earth, by living your life as it is in heaven.
Agnostic means lacking faith, undecided.
Atheist, means to know God, and willfully reject.
To accept the consequences thereof.
Simply not understanding God, falls in the former category.
Nobody in their right mind that has to get up every day and go to work so they can have a place to live and can eat would be a liberal. You do not know the reality of the world until you have to go out as a man and get it on your own. No mommy, no daddy, no help. You vs you environment. You have to work to eat and to survive.
Because you aren't looking hard enough. There are plenty of far-left SJWs who used to be far-right stormfags. Ian Miles Cheong is an example.
That’s not what atheist means m8. There is no weighing of consequences because this the belief that those consequences are ultimately fabricated.
You know whats funny is around the age of 16/17 I became an edgy "atheist" type after watching zeitgheist on liveleak, and that is when my life started to go downhill. I didn't find god again until recently at 27. Something happened in my life that changed me forever.
I fucking disagree. Less government regulation, a conservative ideal, is destructive to worker’s rights. The increasing strength of corporations and corporate stoogieism is government is highly destructive to indivual’s comfort.
We need a strong controlling government who ensures the rights of workers so that corporations do not bleed the citizenry dry. Fuck loose regulation, all it does is push us ever closer to a corpratist society.
That being said modern liberals and conservatives are nearly equal in their love of sucking large corporation’s cocks.
Similar to my own experiences. Much truth
Here is a question. Why would god allow exist genetic diseases where children are born without skin, exist a few months in unimaginable agony, then die and go to hell due to not having accepted Christ? That does not seem to be the actions of a loving and caring god, but a wanton and cruel being.
I also experienced it twice, the break from my religious indoctrination was the most difficult, in reaction I became a center left atheist but that didn't last long because of how similar they are to religious fundamentalists.
/r/trumpgret
You need the govt because you lack the skills and intelligence to make it on your own without help. You're lower than a dog to me.
As people get older, they become more conservative. if you'll forgive me the armchair psychology, I believe this is because life experience leads people to these conclusions because they are, dare I say it, more correct.
the left prays on those who are unwilling to look deeper or are simply too inexperienced with (or disconnected from) the real world
Arianna Huffington. Her Republican husband cheated on her or something.
The amusing thing was, my parents were far more angry when I stopped being left then when I stopped going to church, and stopped believing in god. Curious thing, that.
I've heard of the latter, but the reasons they state for leaving are because they grasped alt/far-right ideology very badly in the first place. Shit like "I developed yellow fever because I realized Asians were superior", "I developed a fetish for jewish girls", "I was anti-gay only because muh feels", "etc., shit that only filthy newfags and the mentally weak get confused with.
I have a 6 figure salary and live in comfort and still think this way. It is not a matter of my own comfort but the wellbeing of society. The public health crisis caused by corporations is payed for by government through the people, while the corporations seen ever increasing profits and the individual’s wealth drops.
If you just want to ignore all the statistics and live in bubble of ‘survivor of the fittest’ memery go ahead. You are delusional in that though.
Imagine if we began removing other government regulation of corporations, would you rather we return to the days where the meat packing industry bleached their meat and sold rotten meat soaked in chemicals to remove the smell? Or perhaps we should unregulated medicine, as it slows down new drugs being released.
A worker’s rights is extremely important. I already live as someone who is comforatable and relatively wealthy and can see that. All I can see you as is delusional.
To add to this do you have any actual reasoning why continued regulation will actually improve the life of the citizenry? All it has done is cost them more as the government picks up the cost of corporations through taxation of citizens and debt.
Trickle down economics is a myth that is propagated by corporation run think tanks and no serious academic economist believes in its existence. There is no evidence it exists and in fact there is evidence to the opposite.
Corporate profits are at an all time high, yet investment is down. Reconcile that.
Because the lot of free will is a mix of pain and suffering, love and joy. You cannot appreciate one without the other, and thus, cannot fully appreciate your own progress as a human being without a mix of both.
What's worse is older people who never truly left their bubble yet honestly believe that they are cultured because they have enjoyed a variety of foods or have traveled to designated tourist locations. They install harmful ideology on the minds of children not yet hardwired, based on a worldview that was developed in a life that is now dead; we have so much work to do to reverse the damage that has been caused.
An infant, not even months old, is incapable of conceptualizing these things. They exist from birth only in pain before going to hell due to inability to conceptualize Christ as their savior.
because the liberal party kicked me out. they told me outright they didn't want white males in their party. I was an oppressor and always would be.
I didn't want to become a conservative. I hated the conservatives for over half my life. But they're the only thing standing in the way between me and a party that hates my guts and wants me to suffer.
Watch some of the reaction videos / responses to zeitgeist. you'll see that for most, it affirms their faith. Knowing that the bible is 12th edition plagiarism doesn't make it less believable, it only shows that there have been many similar interpretations going back for millennia. clearly reworded by those who would manipulate, and use it to their advantage, in the latest bound volumes. But 10k year old tablets are hard to fake.
All babies go to heaven. A church recruiter who wants your money, might argue otherwise. Treat him like the tax collector.
Don't let your virtue cause you to sin.
At 14 I started on a pretty hardcore depression for various reasons and I went through various phases along the way. First I was in some kind of autistic/vegetal state where I didn't enjoy absolutely anything. Then I fell down the nihilistic and hedonistic pit and started lurking Sup Forums because "muh edgy gore XD". Flashforward several years (around 20-21) and I decided to lurk Sup Forums just for kicks. Just by that I stopped being a nihilistic piece of shit in 1 year or so. Cured my depression desu
Now I have a job and live relatively happy.
btw I think it's obvious but I was full parasitic anarchist tier during that
>pic related
>All babies go to heaven. A church recruiter who wants your money, might argue otherwise. Treat him like the tax collector.
>Don't let your virtue cause you to sin.
Except the bible fucking states otherwise. They have not accepted jesus as their lord and savior so they may not pass into the kingdom of heaven. When infants die they go to hell, there is no verse that states infants receive a free pass.
Thinking otherwise is merely ignorance of your own holy text.
Read John 3:5, Romans 5:12-21.
Had a brief phase of libertarianism in teenage year but other than that was always redpilled. Even in elementary school I didn't like associating with the black kids because they were loud and retarded.
you have to be an edgy retard to be a nazi same as being a commie
hillary: 65,853,516
donald: 62,984,825
dont care about ur stupid point as it *wont happen* and dont contest the electoral college system; just pointing out that the point that picture is trying to make is fucking dumb
well if you think about it the kind of people who switch to the liberal/progressive side aren't gonna be coming here to celebrate right? They exist for sure since they popped up as mouthpieces during the election. Ana Navarro is supposed to be a conservative but is really a RINO to make CNN look good. Now This also had a video with a former skinhead who was promoting antifa to fight "nazis".
Like other anons have said,, becoming conservative means waking up to the realities of the world. You can't go back from that unless you try extremely hard to delude yourself or just give up
>destructive to worker’s rights
A fully indoctrinated wagecuck eh?
A very famous, but assassinated Republican once said "as I would not be a slave, i would not have a slave"
Why so many choose a "job" over doing honest work is beyond me. You're right to see that corporations are out of control, all the more reason to not work for them.
Team with some neighbors and start your own business. Make your own money, rather than making it for someone else... worse begging for a bigger minimum wage
Big government only leads to more power moving into the private sector, and or squashing competition.
>I voted for Clinton but I'm MAGA now
Liar. If you couldn't see the truth before the election you sure as hell can't see it now.
So somehow you were either oblivious or ok with the shit the dems do, but your redpill was their inability to accept the loss.
Sorry for impugning your character, but I call bullshit good sir.
>be dumb
>learn things
>be less dumb
>be not that dumb
>learn things
>become dumb
I wonder
Well, i went from normal to redpilled, and now somewhere between normal and redpilled.
I'm not racist anymore, i still cant stand the far left and sjw, but i dont believe in giant global conspiracies and i realise most of the shit online is not the same in real life, too much internet will warp your perception.
I dont deny the holocaust anymore either, though i still think its exaggerated.
I grew up conservative and became liberal over time.
>Sorry for my bad English.
Nothing to apologize for Pekka; you write better than 90% of native English speakers.
You sound like my dad, except he voted for Dubya because he couldn't forgive Rambo Kerry for talking shit about GIs in Nam (dad did 2 tours.) I remember he screamed bloody murder at me because I voted third party in that election.
>goes by 3 names
>one is a unit of measurement
>the other sounds Asian
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this guy was always a faggot
The infants death serves more than the infant in life lessons.
One four.
>A very famous, but assassinated Republican once said "as I would not be a slave, i would not have a slave"
Which one, out of curiosity?
>Big government only leads to more power moving into the private sector, and or squashing competition.
Are you delusional? Corporations have been stronger than they ever have been before.
>Why so many choose a "job" over doing honest work is beyond me. You're right to see that corporations are out of control, all the more reason to not work for them.
Mate, in our current system your choices are extremely limited. Starting a business is costly and often results is enormous debt, especially in the sectors all my skills are in.
>Team with some neighbors and start your own business. Make your own money, rather than making it for someone else... worse begging for a bigger minimum wage
Teaming up with neighbors? Fucking what? What do you think they could offer my business? Essentially nothing, and neighbors have their own jobs and are unwilling to take the enormous risks in starting one's own business.
Yes, beginning a business when 90% of independent business fail within their first year due to large competition. Tell me, do you have your own business, what do you do? Your attitude is entirely infeasible for the vast majority of individuals in the current economic system that is in place because of loose regulation.
All I see is someone delusional with a penchant for grandiose ideas that do not function for the vast majority of individuals. I mean seriously, team up with your neighbors? Fucking hell man.
>They have not accepted jesus as their lord and savior
Science shows that there is a clear shift in the brain of a child. Hard as you try you will not remember before a certain point in your childhood. your earliest memories are not simply forgotten, in that time you spoke with god. After that shift you started to think like an adult. to reason, to have free will.
nor is a baby guilty of murder, because the mother dies in childbirth.
So they deserve eternal damnation? I'm sorry what? How can someone who claims to be moral or good or loving say that a child's eternal suffering is a good lesson.
So your actual reasoning is that babies speak to god? I'm sorry but can you find me some supporting verses, otherwise it's just you grasping at straws desperately.
Whereas you're grasping at straws to hate god for suffering in the world. Suffering exists for a reason, it is for the spiritual and personal growth of ALL mankind.
Not a Christian anymore so can't quote verses off the top of my head but those unable to really live such as babies just get a pass, there is even the argument that those who do not worship Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior can still go to heaven depending on certain circumstances.
Abe Lincoln
Because the right is right
Former marxist.
Because you can hit a smart person on the head and turn them into a retard, but you can't hit a retard on the head and make them smart.
This man gets it.
>ur
I know you won't grasp it but the point of the picture is that outside of metropolitan and nonwhite areas, everyone from Maine to Oregon to Minnesota to Florida is in agreeance on the direction we should go.
People lose brain cells as they age and get dumber, and therefore more conservative.
>it's logical to be a liberal when you're a kid
No it's not. This is the oldest and dumbest of fucking cuck memes. ICucks only say it because they don't want to feel bad about being a dumbass when they were young.
t. conservative all my life and not 30 yet
Progressive arguments don't survive scrutiny, while many conservative arguments do.
That's really it.
It is grasping at straws to question that a loving being would doom infants to eternal suffering and damnation? That does not seem to be gasping, you seem to be willfully looking away.
Why should suffering exist if a loving god exists? No really, I have never seen an argument for this beyond 'because free will', which does not actually argue against said god's malevolence and merely his complacency.
So that is pretty out of context for this. Exchanging labor for currency and slavery are not the same things. Though first I want you to argue against the rest of my post.
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2 Timothy 3:15
I have seen those arguments, there is far more evidence in the bible to the contrary.
One of the other things is the bible is rife with enormous contradictions, loopholes, and archaic laws. Shitting within city limits is a sin for instance because that is based on pre-plumbing sanitation.
He's just saying when you're young and stupid you have an excuse, but as an adult you really don't.
liberals: understand how a condom works
conservatives: think birth control make the baby Jeebus cwy.
>the bible is rife with enormous contradictions, loopholes, and archaic laws
Newfaggot is new.
contradictingbiblecontradictions.com
>2 Timothy 3:15
The translation is infant referring to childhood, not infancy, which are two distinct things from the original translation. You can look this up.
Yes, some contradictions can be closed, numerous others can not. Come on mate, try harder.
Welcome home brother.
>Joe "White replacement is our strength" Biden
youtube.com
Liberals: dead from buttfucking women that slept with faggots, and no children
Conservatives: tasty virgin pussy from wife and many children from being inside it all the time bareback
Yeah usually people who were Nazis and became anti racist tended to be like retards who were in skinhead gangs with swazis tattooed on their face.
Can a person truly be refilled and then go back to the blue pill? I don't really think so. Like the OP I hate saying that because it has a cult like quality to it, you'll hear Christians say things like that, "if you become an atheist you were never really a Christian to begin with" etc.
But I think at the end of the day it is true. You can't really ever go back to believing in things like racial and gender egalitarianism after you have taken the redpill. You could pretend to but you still have to know the truth, you can't unknow that stuff.
You can't unlearn knowledge.
>mate
Fuck off to Europe and be godless with your socialist jewslave brethren there.
Because the road to liberalism isn’t through enlightenment it is though apathy or lack of proper information to begin with - ie ideology was built on a weak foundation in the first place
>probably a good thing given the circumstances
It is (see pic related). A long read but well-worth it if you've got the time.
>infant doesn't mean infant
liberals: can have all the sex they want
conservatives: can only have sex with the same person for the rest of their lives, are sad about it, want to force everyone else to do the same
t. Actually went back and forth in my life
Well, there's David Brock. He was once a prominent right-wing author and critic of Bill Clinton, but went to being part of Hillary's campaign and the founder of Correct the Record and Shareblue.
How do open borders and multi national trade deals benefit the average working man ? I think illegal immigrants and multinational trade pacts undercut the wages of workers by altering the supply/demand dynamic in wage negotiations. 1st world nations have more stringent worker safety and worker rights hamstringing 1st world employers ability to be competitive in a race to the bottom. The democrats platform was in favor of the TPP, Goldman Sachs, Illegal immigrants, soft ethnic cleansing of whites, abortion, fixed primary, i dont think they actually benefit anybody at this point and need to go extinct.
Thanks, user