Explain to me what's wrong with Civic Nationalism? I need an explanation. From my understanding white nationalism is a piece of shit ideology that basically has federally sanctioned discrimination of non-whites. Civic Nationalism is true unity as it realizes ideology > race. I as an American am defientily ok with more blacks, more arabs, more asians. Richard Von Coudenhove-Kalergi even said the future man will be a "Eurasian Negroid". In that case, why not civic nationalism? People will merge into one race and then you'll have your racial nationalism as everyones the same
Civic nationalism is what got us into this mess. If we somehow reset everything and send it back to civic nationalism we will just end up in the same spot 50 years from now
Benjamin Reed
Nothing wrong with civic nationalism as long as borders are closed.
Jaxson Diaz
>I'm sure that all of these non-whites will respect and preserve institutions created by western European enlightenment philosophy of the 18th century >Yes I see the stats that show the vast majority of non-whites want bigger government and socialism >But I believe in magic!
Angel James
No, immigration is needed
What mess? Last time i checked America is great again
Brody Cooper
Because the various races of man are not equal and only an utter fool believes any differently. Why would you allow inferior races into your country?
William Sanchez
Without closed borders civic nationalism lacks a means to separate us vs them which makes it actually globalism not nationalism at all
Ethan Morales
Bigger goverment? Oh so they want a stronger military and defense force? Sounds good to me
Zachary Sanders
you aren't this stupid
Luis Martinez
Immigration is very much not needed. There are too many people already.
If certain skills are needed - train people already here.
If low skills / wages are necessary, end welfare and people will do any work.
David Sullivan
THey aren't inferior. Don't say that shithead
Ideology seperates us. We want FREDOM that's what seperates America from the rest
Thomas Green
I know, but define what you mean by more government. They want more social security? Medicaid? Medicare? Welfare? More public infrastructure. Say which one specficially.
Cooper Scott
I don't think you understand. My dad was an immigrant, he immigrated legally
Asher Perry
GIBS
Jose Ortiz
>Explain to me what's wrong with Civic Nationalism? I need an explanation. Pretty simple. Politics is downstream from Culture. Culture is downstream from Biology. If you want a Western Liberal Democracy, you MUST have mostly white people. No other racial group on the planet is capable of maintaining such a social system. If you want anything even close to libertarianism you must have ALMOST ENTIRELY European whites.
Stop being possessed by ideology like a fucking idiot. You have no excuse after JBP got big in 2016.
Hunter Morgan
Nothing is greater than biological reality. It has always been the higher source of power...God is in the natural world, not man's little brainlet, a minor product of God's work.
Joseph White
People can have any ideology anywhere. Anyway not everyone here shares your ideology as it is.
If you value freedom then you want to control immigration to favor whites. Anyway whites don't want to immigrate. This means ending immigration is the same thing to a first approximation and won't be as divisive as importing whites.
Jackson Rodriguez
That's bullshit man. Every minority I know WORKS
>You have no excuse after JBP got big in 2016. That's exactly why I am a civic nationalist. I was starting to become a ethnic nationalist but Jordan Peterson in his own words said "I don't like right-wing identitarians, they use the same identity politics as radical left wing social justice warriors. I see young men flirting with fascism and white nationalism, and to that I say grow the hell up and sort yourself out".
Anthony Barnes
It's based on a lie. Niggers are always going to nig. Furthermore, Kalergi was a kike who wanted to genocide the white race.
Asher Garcia
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Brandon Green
>Politics is downstream from Culture. Culture is downstream from Biology. This This and This youtube.com/watch?v=RDBEWVbOOgw
Adrian Ward
The problem is I hate niggers.
Joseph Nelson
>That's bullshit man. Every minority I know WORKS cool anecdotal evidence bruh
Liam Lee
Whites do. There were quite a few european immigrants to America
Except humans biologically are very very similar. Like .009% difference between races
Joseph Cruz
They are absolutely, categorically inferior in every regard. This is not up for debate. I’m sorry if it hurts your feelings but blacks and mestizos on average have an IQ that is significantly lower than Europeans and East Asians
Lucas Kelly
Kalergi was not Jewish and neither was his second wife.
FPBP Reagan fucked California. DACA is a direct result of Reagan's retardation. I've become a convert to ethnash. Civnash faggots need to be culled.
Wyatt Morris
>Like .009% difference between races >everything that separates humans and chimpanzees is just 2% of DNA
>we also share 50% of our DNA with Bananas
Ian Perry
Kill yourself you redditor kike, sage.
Joshua Baker
Also Aristotle not Jordan Peterson said that only Tyranny develops in multiracial societies as in order to keep squabbling from groups from destroying democracy one has to have a strong fist of a govt willing to stomp on entire groups in order to maintain order. Without it it just devolves to the jungle. Does Jordan think multiethnic and civic nationalism doesn't result in chaos? If he does then he need to stop cleaning his room and read a little more Aristotle. Blood and soil. youtu.be/ychvt42X3jk
Matthew Harris
>muh culture >t. every minorishit ever Minorities exist to be married to a white spouse and be raised like white westernized Americans. Every single white male over the age of 25 will be paired by an equally valued minority and be forced to breed and raise children to be responsible white adults. That’s the only way it will work because if minorities breed with each other we get more problems
Robert Scott
Pic related also any non-kidding-yourself observation of white countries v non-white-countries.
Xavier Cox
White nationalism is a pointless ideology. It is incompatible with the United States. Civic Nationalism is the logical replacement. You're never going to have an American system of government that physically removes any and all nonwhites. At least with civic nationalism you're an American first and white/black/Asian second.
Daniel Brown
How on earth can you follow JBP and then spout off stupid shit like "Civic Nationalism is true unity as it realizes ideology > race." That's just fucking retarded. Being possessed by an ideology is retarded. Don't be retarded. In fact it's double retarded because ideology and race are HIGHLY CORRELATED. You can't separate the two, especially when you expect low IQ populations to maintain complex liberal social structures. Look at Africa post-colonization and tell me they're better off now. You can't.
Brody Hernandez
Open borders is economic suicide
Jace Bennett
Civic nationalism works when minorities are minorities and they respect the majority. Think of Canada in the 90's. All the immigrants assimilated and were proud to be Canadians. As soon as immigration numbers get too high, immigrants get arrogant, they self-segregate, and you get ethnic tension.
Logan Gonzalez
Your land is just going to get smaller and smaller until you put your foot down and declare it yours.
Jeremiah Carter
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Alexander Brown
>everything is downstream from biology Not according to anthropology.
Jonathan Ortiz
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Isaac Fisher
>Mentioning Kalergi in your OP Try live bait instead of a flashy lure next time
Zachary Ortiz
it doesn't exist. if anybody can be a citizen, then citizenship is meaningless.
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Aaron Fisher
>I as an American am defientily ok with more blacks, more arabs, more asians
But you're not OK with more whites?
Jaxson Jenkins
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Levi Hughes
It's literally right-wing liberalism. If you shit on "progressives" and "SJWs" whilst being a civnat you're being a hypocritical slimeball.
Xavier Garcia
Did you get that from Mein Kampf?
Justin Gutierrez
Blacks and Mexicans are EQUAL, it's not up for debate. And IQ is not a good measure of intelligence.
>IQ >Good measure of intelligence KEK
True but I see the way Africans talk and act and imagine a white person in their place and i honestly can't tell the difference. Like I mean they say "bro" more often but who cares
Hope you have cancer
Aristotle was was talking about different European ethnicities, and that was proven wrong considering America was a melting pot of Europeans for a long time without much violence
So you want more racemixing?
Well I don't see the issue. I mean what's wrong with more government services?
>good roads >efficient garbage disposel >strong electrical lines >purified water >search and rescue >medical care
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Mason Cruz
>Except humans biologically are very very similar. Like .009% difference between races The differences matter much more than the similarities, bucko. youtu.be/6T7pUEZfgdI?t=13m13s
Wyatt Anderson
Just a reminder that whites are about 5% of usa immigrants currently whites will be wiped out in the usa...
Daniel Perez
>True but I see the way Africans talk and act and imagine a white person in their place and i honestly can't tell the difference. see
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Asher Baker
Well I mean the immigration act of 1924 basically made America an ethnostate. I'm not saying it's not possible im saying it shouldn't be true
You realize Jordan Peterson HATES racists, he HATES ethnic nationalists, and says people on the far right need to grow up. Africa post colonialization is better because africans aren't having their hands chopped off and sold to Belgian royalty anymore
IT will double GDP
Except Canada is doing fine now
You're a really bad troll. I'm having you banned for this shit
No, they have to come in legally. In ethnic nationalism anyone can be a citizen if their skin is white
Joshua Myers
How the brain is put together fucks up your analogy, read up on racial differences in brain folds and the suspected evolutionary environmental causes of massive IQ differences.
Gabriel Taylor
>misquote someone >make a vague appeal to authority >don't back it up with any evidence whatsoever Cool story bro.
Charles Long
Now go ahead. I just posted a shit ton of statistics most of them with sources. Now go ahead, pick out the weakest argument and nit pick. Completely ignore the stronger arguments as they refute your position.
Isaac Thomas
Not everyone gives a fuck about race you know.
The individual is greater than the race. The human is an individual agent, you just want caste system like cogs in some machine. We are not machines.
Matthew Rodriguez
Does eating two bananas equal murder?
Jacob Ross
I'm fine with it
The black homocide rate is gangs killing eachother
SAT is not a good measure of intelligence
Camden Collins
No but 2 scoops of icecream does
Ian Bell
The thing is i love Jordan Peterson cause he brings people closer to the water trough.....he tells them not to drink of it, as it maybe no different than evil leftist identitarians, them coming from that background eat the forbidden fruit Jordan tells them not to and they realize Jordan is flawed.
James Bell
No I got it from common sense, understanding statistics and having a degree in biology Absolutely wrong. Black and mestizos are inferior. Iq isn’t perfect it correlates pretty damn well with success in life. But the proof is in the pudding. Whites and asians build nice countries and communities, and mestizos and blacks build shitty countries and communities. The nicest parts of Latin America are also the most European, and the only decent subsaharan African countries we not ruled by subsaharans, and when they assumed the reigns, things went to shit. The statistics show it, and historical evidence corroborates the sorry fact they just are worse. Do you not believe in evolution?
Carter Campbell
>You're a really bad troll. I'm having you banned for this shit
Mods confirmed Kekistani civic nationalists
Andrew Sanders
>Hispanics being the biggest titsuckers of them all
Blacks even seem to be more for small government. Asian Americans I guess has a large minority among their groups for small government because they know how shit big government is.
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Julian Scott
He brought me away from the "water". I was starting to become ethnic nationlaist before listening to Peterson rants.
Adrian Hill
>income is the only factor
Evan Baker
Lmao, they don't call this the Redditchan for nothing
Isaac Kelly
If black people are welcome in our Civic nationalism society I still won't be able to get a white girlfriend.
That's why we are against it.
Nolan Jenkins
Then why was the middle east the richest continent in the past? Explain how the Aztecs (mexicans) built one of the most advanced societies? THey were Mexicans and the middle easterners were arab
Nicholas Fisher
White Nationalism is a slur for American NatSoc in order to draw parallels between an actual political movement and a depraved degenerate hate mill. You can have love for your own people without having hate for others. The ones you should hate are the ones with no identity, no nation to which they're bound, no supreme authority to which they answer. Like mosquitoes they suck the blood out of their host, and like mosquitoes they must be swiftly dealt with. When one ethnic group dominates a nation, that nation is more likely to have high social cohesion and trust. Whereas flooding a community with non-tribals only serves to divide and keep divided. CivNat is a noble goal, but ultimately nature dictates human emotion and nature has crafted us into tribalistic beings. Instead of swimming against the current we need to work within it, the Earth is big enough for everyone, but my country is not
David Allen
That's like asking for a source on the claim that murder is illegal.
Kayden Sanchez
>And IQ is not a good measure of intelligence. It's actually the best measure by far, and IQ is the single factor most predictive of success. Deal with it. >You realize Jordan Peterson HATES racists, he HATES ethnic nationalists, and says people on the far right need to grow up. Yes, and he's wrong. He doesn't understand several things that undermine his entire worldview, but that's okay. >Africa post colonialization is better because africans aren't having their hands chopped off and sold to Belgian royalty anymore Pic related, dumbass.
Justin King
So it comes down to "blacks have bigger dicks and me jealous?"
Michael Garcia
Minorities vote dramatically more in favour of democrats and socialists. It's a very simple math equation beyond that, minorities out-produce whites, more minorities = more democrat/liberal/commie votes, means that the right wing will totally disappear and whatever state that's become occupied by the shitskins will become a one-party state run only by cucks and kikes.
Given the current state of the US, eventually you'd have an "upper class" made mostly of white people, maybe 10% of the population and the other 90% are all low-income shitskins, and that's a revolution waiting to happen.
The only way civic nationalism even has a chance of working, is if you took shitskin kids at a very young age, maybe 4 or 5, and took them away from their barbaric societies and taught them local customs and fully assimilated them, like Britain did in the Americas. Even then, that's not a fool proof plan.
Christopher Hall
Just get an American one.
Joseph King
>what does X have to do with the price of tea in China?
Also that's kind of funny, you are against civic nationalism since it doesn't let you practice your sexual degeneracy
Nathaniel Cooper
>Explain how the Aztecs (mexicans) built one of the most advanced societies
Okay, have fun trolling. I'm going to Overlord II
Noah Williams
If you studied any science you'd know that "inferior" is a loaded term not used in serious publications.
Jordan Edwards
Racial purity isn't a must for a functional society. I haven't seen much proof of that.
Mason Anderson
>It's actually the best measure by far, and IQ is the single factor most predictive of success. Deal with it. I call bullshit
>Yes, and he's wrong. He doesn't understand several things that undermine his entire worldview, but that's okay. It fits in with his worldview perfectly
>Pic related, dumbass. Again, better than what the Belgians did
Carson Bennett
Find me the federal statute that declares murder illegal. You can't, and you don't know shit about law OR anthropology OR biology.
Adam Foster
And yet it's common knowledge that murder is illegal, and anyone who tries to argue otherwise would be seen as a lunatic.
Cameron Sullivan
The more minorities that come in the more will vote Republican. For example in the past only WASPs voted Democrat while minorities like Irish and Italians voted Republican. As more and more non-WASP whites came in the parties started to become more mixed. Same with Democrats and Republicans today. The more minorities are accepted in society the more they will become republican
Well you won't be coming back here because you're about to be banned for 3 days for trolling :)
Nathan Jackson
It's against every state law retard
Asher Hernandez
Yes, and Sup Forums posts aren’t serious publications. Don’t be pedantic. I also know you never say the science proves anything, because science suggests, it never proves. Is this better “every piece of evidence suggests that African Americans and amerindians possess a lower median IQ” but I’m not going to speak like I’m writing a paper all the time, because I doubt Nature magazine will publish “gas the kikes racewar now”
Zachary James
>"Eurasian negroid" > "whats wrong with that"
I almost puked
Owen Flores
They already are accepted in western society and they vote dramatically in favour of the left in every country they're present in.
Joseph Davis
Then don't act as if there's serious evidence for the argument.
Saying that niggers, on average, have "inferior" IQ is correct in the most technical way possible.
Colton Reyes
>The only way civic nationalism even has a chance of working, is if you took shitskin kids at a very young age, maybe 4 or 5, and took them away from their barbaric societies and taught them local customs and fully assimilated them, like Britain did in the Americas. Even then, that's not a fool proof plan. Intelligence being almost entirely genetic, such a plan wouldn't work unless you had a strict caste system to keep the darkies in line. They simply can't handle liberty.