If pic related is true shouldn't the goal of a society be to create artificial hard times for young men to create strong men despite good times, in a way that keeps the society stable and allows an uncorrupted path for the strongest young men to positions of power?
How could this be accomplished?
This occurs multiple times over a mans life.
Pretty sure theres a Voyages episode where they encounter some species who uses Hunting to maintain strength in their youth or something
So Merkel and Soros are actually trying to turn us into superhuman?
Maybe if they were quicker in their plans
This
>implying my parents weren't complete assholes who indulge in psychological torture at every opportunity
they pushed to hard I refuse to breed.
Or you should just embrace the cycle.
user, i had really shitty parents, one who fucked my up physically, and the other psychologically
They were the roadblocks of my life for my entire life with them, thanks to them i didnt get a regular childhood and teen life
You cant let them ruin your life for you, stop watching anime and muddying your life with fiction, immerse yourself in reality, stop being a defeatist faggot and become who you are
Sounds interesting. If you could figure out which episode it was I'd like to watch it.
That is only for cowards.
Do you mean Star trek Voyager? And do you mean the Hirogen?
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I guess thats one way of interpretting it...
Remember the saying about planting a tree so that your descendants can enjoy the shade?
The reason we have this cycle of bad times strong men good times weak men is that the weak men don't continue the cycle of "planting trees" and instead rest in the shade of the one the previous generation planted until it whithers and the "bad times" begin. The role of society shouldn't be to burn the "trees" down to force men to plant more and stay strong, it should be to keep men vigilant through the tradition of providing for tomorrow.
Except that will always inevitably lead to degeneration and to the point we're at now. Not even the greatest civilization the world ever knew, western civilization, was vigilant enough. If we ever get the driver's seat back we must be sure to construct an incorruptible leviathan so this can never happen again.
Does anyone have the bottom pic in the full version? Anyone know the artist?
>create artificial hard times for young men to create strong men despite good times
Why do you think we were fighting in Afghanistan?
Beat me to it
The commercial war machine, war for profits is pretty damn artificial
>lolbertardians actually believe this
here's a link ti where i got the pic if you want to see if it links to anything.
>The commercial war machine, war for profits is pretty damn artificial
Nothing artificial about it
Well that's what fascism kinda does by keeping the nation in perpetual war. But quickly grow to dislike it when their sons turn up in wooden coffins 10 months after being conscripted.
>Predator
That's the idea behind having a bunch of competitions.
I appreciate it man, cant seem to find anything but i love those hips and that big brapper
I mean part of it is probably that the pic was widened.
That only happens in degenerated nations. In nazi germany it was understood that their sons were heroes.
Nah man, theyre definitely wide in nature
>Implying we will ever have hard times like people did 2000 years ago.
We live in THE comfiest existence in human history. Food on demand, entertainment for days, healthcare that extends our lifes for decades, technology in communication and transportation beyond anyones wildest dreams 100 years ago.
We are the weakest men in human history, unless China and USA start up some shit we are nothing.
There should be something like a hard time simulator during the most formative years, yes. Used to be called school and mandatory military service back in the day.
Thats kind of the point of what I'm saying though. We need a way to produce strong men like they had back in the day.
its almost as if neoliberalism is self imposed masochistic national socialism hidden behind the guise of progressiveness. only the pure will survive.
We cant and we wont. Why leave your mansion and life of luxury to toil with the peasants for half your life? Did the Romans say "fuck it", stop having daily feasts and debate in the senate, burn down Rome and start rebuilding again whilst having barely any food? No. They felt safe, secure and cotent in their walls until the Germanics came. Same thing happened to the Byzantines, the Chinese, the Europeans.
It's called national service. Every young man should receive basic military training imo
Would it be more fitting to say Haram ?
Except we have more knowledge and technology then the Romans, and understand the nature of societies. To just say we can't is wrong. We could do it absolutely. Its not like we would be the first society in existence to purposefully and ritually bring hardship to ourselves, such as with the Spartans. The question is how to do that in a modern way.
As well the arguing whether or not we would or not isn't even part of the conversation here.
You could just run people through a VR simulation.
For their entire youth? How would they develop the muscles of a strong man?
Some sort of feedback system. Time dilation plus memory loss.
I don't really understand. Could you describe your idea further?
good observation. In a way, democracy is that quickened process of death and rebirth, again and again. The more hard times in a microscopic level, the better we learn.
So does that mean lolbertardians were right?
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Maybe this whole life is.
We are currently experiencing political polarization that doesnt seem likely to end.
Wtf, you don't need strong men if good times havent past yet. Fucking brainlet, kys.
there won't be good times in the future if there aren't strong men
But you asked in the OP if we should artificially create hard times to create strong men. But we don't need strong men if there are no hard times.
Sorry i said kys. Pls don't kys, at least you know about the hard times,good times dynamic. Which is most than most know. I had some wine.
*more than most know.
The worse it is the better it is now i understand what mao ment by it
Well, the pic is true, but it doesn't show what's really happening.
It's not hard times that create strong men, it's challenges. Men become strong by taking on challenging problems, fighting for big ideas, having opponents, etc.
Good times lack all of these aspects. People can't level up since there's no quests on the board. But bad times lack opportunity for progress and civilization.
Good times create a society of hippies and self-help gurus.
Bad times create a society of warriors and survivors.
What you need, isn't to create hard times, but to add the challenge of hard times into the good times. If you do this, you get to the next step of civilization:
Great times; that create a society of heroes.
An agoge
You could induce memory loss prior to putting people into VR, they wouldn't know that they were in a simulation. With time dilation techniques, they could experience to them, what feels like years in subjective time in a shorter time period.
We don't need to purposely create hard times, but we do need Fascism so that we can force men to become strong, instead of letting them become decadent.
I forgot to mention that the US used to be the closest to getting to a society of heroes.
But then, the (((capitalists))) decided that it'd be better with a society of consumers and drones.
And then the socialists came and... well.
Still salvageable tho.
could it be that the largest deposits of lithium so far known are in Afghanistan?
As long as we can avoid the shameful theme park Sparta became.
Unless you can raise young men to believe that you are significantly poorer and weaker than you actually are, this can't be properly accomplished, because all the hardships and restrictions you impose on him will seem arbitrary and injust and only create resentment.
When a teenager goes to his poor father and asks for a top-notch PC or a nice car or some fancy clothes and the father says "Sorry boy, I literally don't have the money for that", then the teenager can accept this and concede that if he wants these things it is up to him to put in the effort and make the money to buy them himself.
When a teenager goes to his rich father and asks for the same things, knowing that that is what all other rich fathers give their sons and his own father says "sorry, I think that will corrupt your character, you'll understand when you are older", this only breeds anger and frustration.
In ancient greece it was a thing for a while for prominent families to send their sons to Sparta to receive a spartan upbringing. But once you let the trainers know they are taking charge of someone else's Yuppie brats, over the decades and centuries the training became less and less hardcore because you are only theoretically training for hardship and ultimately really only aiming for the "prestige" of having undergone the agoge the way you can earn a blackbelt in Karate without this saying anything about how good you would do in an actual streetfight, since you aren't literally training for the very real possibility of a slave-revolt where you would be outnumbered 8 to 1 anymore.
I understand the dynamic. I'm just saying wouldn't it be better for society if we manipulated the dynamic? Sure we don't need strong men during good times but good times don't last forever, so if strong men are continuously kept around wouldn't the good times never end?
Well is there a way to manipulate young men into believing such a thing despite living in good times? I'm gonna go a little sci fi here, but would it work if we constructed some fake training area somewhere, where the future rulers go through spartan tier training and are taught their morality, but are given a fake reality to make them hard? Then at a certain age or if they reach a certain objective they are taught the veiled truth?
>create artificial hard times for young men to create strong men
This is the job of the father and mentors, how has this concept been lost?
look at the modern world and figure that out
Dicks out for haram, bae
Oh, i get it now. I think what we should strife for is a balance between degeneracy and discipline.
Enjoy the fruits of the good times but don't let your guard down. Like Spencer said; a little bit of degeneracy is the spice of life, but too much of it, brings hard times.
Holy shit, this is actually genius. I feel so bad now for disparaging you. Please, i was just drunk. AM just drunk.
>all the hardships and restrictions you impose on him will seem arbitrary and injust and only create resentment.
This. You cant institute arbitrary hardships- you have to instead incentivize young men overcoming their OWN hardships, or creating them for themselves as a matter of honor or esteem.
THis is why every socity before ours had codes and trials and elements that men had to willingly enter into and prove themsleves withtin the framework of- usually to get women, but also to gain status among men.
This is part of the reason bullying/peer pressure cant just be thrown out with the bathwater.
Joseph Campbell talks a lot about this- this is why young men join gangs: it offers a substitue for what is already in them, but not being fed: territorialism, heriarch and status, initiation and ritual, history and fellowship.
Yes. Afghan Lithium and Korean Neodymium.
The Hunger games but no fag district.