How do we stop them from killing the white race Sup Forums?

Nicholas Powell
Nicholas Powell

How do we stop them from killing the white race Sup Forums?

Ian Howard
Ian Howard

Get Jordan Peterson to debate Jared Taylor. Jared Taylor will destroy him.

Easton Gomez
Easton Gomez

by not being a commie shill. you fuckers are so transparent. you're going to lose. can you feel it?

Michael Gutierrez
Michael Gutierrez

sargon has a plan

Carter Fisher
Carter Fisher

Aren't they set for a debate?

Jace Taylor
Jace Taylor

You don't. They are the archetype of our downfall. Our only hope is the ethnostate, which will be established in the North Pole.

Nathaniel Ross
Nathaniel Ross

they both are tools used by white supremacy capitalism. they both claim to be "intellectiuals" but in reallity they are nothing more than hate peddlers. see jordan peterson mocks trans people and doesn't want to respect them. dispite the fact trans sucicide rate is abnornally high. his is due to people like him and sargon saying shit like "its okay to call them fags lulz". this idea of freedom of speech is nothing more just tools for white supremacy capitalism. freedom of speech only benefits the white supremacist capitalists. in reallity in society doesn't need freesom of speech, do you reallyl think the KKK and nazi's deserve free speech? threy don't their ideas lead to genocide and lynchings

fuck both these fag

Samuel King
Samuel King

Why is it always people that arguably fight against anti-white sentiment that get shit on here instead of people who are virulently anti-white?

Chase Cooper
Chase Cooper

You mean Jared "I have no problem with the jews, they are smart and competent people, we should be more like them" Taylor ?
wew lad

Angel Reyes
Angel Reyes

Because people who are virulently anti-white bring people to our side. Milquetoast fags serve the status quo, and help the enemy improve. Instead of letting the enemy push tranny bathrooms and white genocide, they're teaching them to be more subtle, so when the final blow does come, it will be unstoppable.

Ryder Howard
Ryder Howard

let's all be individual together
plan

Hunter Diaz
Hunter Diaz

I completely agree with this guy. All communists should be thrown in jail. They don't need freedom of speech.

Michael Cox
Michael Cox

That is a reasonable argument.
There are people far more anti-white (leftists, sjws) than them.

Lincoln Gomez
Lincoln Gomez

Loves jews more than whites
Loves japs more than whites
Thinks it's the spanish hispanic descent that makes beans dumb instead of the obvious mayan blood

Asher Robinson
Asher Robinson

we don't need your bullshit system. we fight outside the system and don't give a shit. so go fuck yourself when we take over white supremacy capitalists will not be allowed to talk

Asher Bennett
Asher Bennett

by not being a complete and utter failure like yourself who actually cares about eceleb culture, do yourself a favor and off yourself

David Barnes
David Barnes

Way more.
Not sure if I'm being Jewed, but okay, that's a decent explanation.

Angel Rodriguez
Angel Rodriguez

killing them?

Ethan Johnson
Ethan Johnson

how about you focus on the left?

Carson Butler
Carson Butler

Both these guys are better than the marxists in academia.

Adrian Rogers
Adrian Rogers

The white race is being destroyed by the white race itself
These guys represent the problem
-No strong religious commitment
-Still defending their viewpoint because muh politicul opiniun importunt

Ethan King
Ethan King

You are lefty shilling fucking idiot. Why would the creator of that image macro censor the discord name if they were /ourguy/? They are lefty and so are you, leaf faggot.

Juan Green
Juan Green

sargon has a plan chill the fuck out

Levi Parker
Levi Parker

Sure is memeflaggy in here

Jordan Bennett
Jordan Bennett

Speaking of, did anyone figure out what ((they)) were studying in Antarctica?

Joshua Scott
Joshua Scott

(((You)))

Kayden Nelson
Kayden Nelson

Do they at least pay you?

Ian Walker
Ian Walker

Well think about it, when they were talking about gay marriage, and civil rights, no one knew they were planning to replace whites and destroy society. Now that they're pushing trannys in the same bathrooms as kids, pedophilia, mass imigration and white genocide, the agenda is exposed and immediately polarizing. The US elected fucking Donald Trump because of it.

Instead of letting the left carry on, on this path, you have retards telling them how to improve. There is no will to win, and doughy boys like Sargon and Peterson are too soft for times like these. Unfortunately, there's so many of these types of "men" that we have already lost.

Who knows? Maybe they studied it because Hitler took an interest.

Joseph Jenkins
Joseph Jenkins

Not being a white nationalist and collectivist doesn't make them against and or dangerous to the white race.

Blake Cooper
Blake Cooper

Peterson will have a break down, Sargen is losing credibility.

Ryan Cruz
Ryan Cruz

Jordan Peterson is the reincarnation of Frederic Bastiat.

You should fucking listen, because we know what happens when you don't listen. 200billion starved Ukrainians is what that looks like.

Ryder Hill
Ryder Hill

It's simple stop talking about them,fucking fanboy.

Christian Sanchez
Christian Sanchez

go find a girlfriend first, but we all know u can't so all you have is whine on internet about blacks fucking "your" woman

Ryder Cooper
Ryder Cooper

Obvious shill is obvious.

Ryder Murphy
Ryder Murphy

You guys are fucking retarded, the left wing is fucking all of your countries, and you focus on attacking people who are also enemies of the left. I guess you'll just wait till tulsi gabbard wins in 2020 to get your shit together.

Charles Nguyen
Charles Nguyen

I've never listened to the Bargain for Blackdad, he's an easily exposed tradthot, willing to trade any level of dignity or ideals for views.

JP on the other hand is far more dangerous. He lures one in with reasonable ethics and witty one-isms that can appeal to all sides, but then is overwhelmingly individualistic in theory, which is a fallacy. JP believes that the individual is an evolution out of a group identity, and easily equates group identity to identity politics; he will interchange them when it benefits him.

While I see his use, he'll never approach the jq and will definitely defend zionism despite being avidly anti-group identity. Same thing with Shapiro, while I can get behind his aggressive and factual argumentative style, he like JP will never acknowledge the value of white ethnicity going hand-in-hand with western culture.

Landon Lopez
Landon Lopez

Fuck off, Vee, you ugly manlet

Kayden Martin
Kayden Martin

You are so fucking delusional. You think jordan peterson is helping them and not nazi larpers? You people are too stupid to ever win, we're fucked. People like sargon and alex jones and stefan molyneux and jordan peterson is who won the election and started shifting things to the right, spencer was a hinderance.

Ryan Bailey
Ryan Bailey

Is this Romanian proxy poster an actual female?
Post tits or gtfo

Luke Clark
Luke Clark

German
teasing anyone for dressing like a woman

Asher Murphy
Asher Murphy

Jared "let's leave the Jewish architects of our genocide in power" Taylor

William Moore
William Moore

to be fair, it is suicidal to pretend jews are stupid and incompetent, and we really should emulate their racial cohesiveness. we should also emulate their willingness to genocide other rces and turn it on them.

Colton Myers
Colton Myers

he'll never approach the jq and will definitely defend zionism despite being avidly anti-group identity.
this is the prime hypocrisy that btfos the petersenfags.

Dominic Cook
Dominic Cook

I appreciate that you like to defend your team, but here's what's actually going to happen: Europe will continue to be flooded by muslims, the US will become a white minority, kids are still being brainwashed in schools (not with marxism mind you, but with good ole' classical liberalism), and the globalists just have to sit back and wait.

People should be hanging from lamp posts in the middle of the street because of what's happening. Exposing trannyism, SJWism, and marxism in its most extreme forms undermines the sense of urgency, and subverts the true solution to all of this. These e-celebs are not bad people, but they are unwittingly helping the enemy. Maybe they have a plan, but I don't really see it. I hope they do.

Samuel Scott
Samuel Scott

ey look guys, another anti-Peterson thread on Sup Forums !

who makes these and why are there over 9000 of them per week?

Leftists! Leftists come to Sup Forums and astroturf as rightwingers, then create the anti-peterson threads in a futile attempt to sway potential fans away from him!

who are leftists, and why would they do this?

Leftists are a wide and wacky bunch of people, but popularly include SJWs, radical feminists, antifa, radical trans activists, and postmodernists in general! As to why, its simple: They deeply fear Jordan Peterson's influence on people around the world which, commonly, exposes leftism as being the toxic wasteland that it is.

why do they call peterson followers cultists?

Because leftists love name calling anyone they disagree with! They incorrectly call people racists, bigots, xenophobes, transphobes, mysoginists, sexists, and cultists. Character assassination is a prime strategy from the leftist bible: Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky.

thats all fine and good, but every time i see one of these threads, i like jordan peterson more. Why is that?

Great question! Its because Rules for Radicals doesnt apply anymore! The game has changed, and nowadays the old tactics of the left work against them, and actually make their opponents, i.e. Jordan Peterson, stronger!

one more question: why do they keep saying jordan peterson misuses postmodernism?

Because these leftists want to spread the idea that jordan doesnt know what he is talking about. Ironically, these radical leftists dont believe in true language, as they believe that all knowledge is relative to one's culture and experiences, so changing language to them is part of how they maintain power over other people! Leftists are great gymnists!

So be honest, is Jordan Peterson worth looking into?

Find out for yourself! Go to his YouTube channel, Jordan Peterson, and watch some of his content

Kayden Gonzalez
Kayden Gonzalez

do you remember a time on the pol where it wasnt filled with black dicks

Cameron Taylor
Cameron Taylor

You're living in a dream world if you think that Peterson wouldn't systematically destroy him in a live debate. The entire concept of the ethnostate falls apart under it's own weight. It either falls apart or descends into a totalitarian nightmare.

The only way forward is to balance smart immigration with strong integration efforts. The US's mistake is allowing foreigners to congregate in mass and preserve their backwards culture. We need to split them up settle them apart and Americanize their children.

Lincoln Reyes
Lincoln Reyes

They're helping normies to see the extremities of these marxist nutbags, it's turning a lot of people off who just don't buy this shit anymore when it pops up on the news.

I hope white nationalists can be a loud enough voice so people can hear the important messages without just seeing what the media paints the facists/Nazi's as.

Landon Cook
Landon Cook

Just unsubscribe from them and mock them on twitter.

Parker Evans
Parker Evans

Captain Janeway is the most red pulled character ever on television.

Mason Garcia
Mason Garcia

Not in six years.

Adrian King
Adrian King

sure lets offer your daughters to help "americanize" jamal and ahmed

Jace Taylor
Jace Taylor

here's my larp where I pretend letting the enemy win and making all of our lives terrible will suddenly bring about a fascist revolution

The jews love having you as an enemy that's why they paint swastikas everywhere. You're living in a fantasy senario. You don't give your enemy all the political power for years and years hoping that the culture will shit and you can fuck up the country with a revolution. Even if that happens and we implode the country it'll be generations or suffering way after you are dead.

Ian Bailey
Ian Bailey

the mods have been that lazy for 6 fukin years?

Jason Cruz
Jason Cruz

It's really hard to do, especially when you have people like these two faggots who expose marxism while deriding white nationalism. I see them as literal poison for the West, but I might be wrong, and they're just stupid, stupid people with good intentions.

You don't give your enemy all the political power for years and years hoping that the culture will shit and you can fuck up the country with a revolution.
Oh, like the West has been doing for the past century. Be careful, you wouldn't want to be called a racist by these people. Think of the PR!

Hudson Miller
Hudson Miller

I would've liked to see your reaction when the cuckening happened, that was something else.

Jonathan Butler
Jonathan Butler

this is going to turn into a totalitarian nightmare. I mean are you guys really going to force these people from their homes?
what we really need to do is force these people from their homes and force them to live where we tell them to. Then we force their children to Americanize
This is retarded on so many levels. May God have mercy on your soul

Nicholas Cox
Nicholas Cox

I don't know if lazy is the word. Maybe subversive.
Most of those threads are probably bots anyways.
On /tv/ a peado posts every single day and its "banned" to come post again the next day.

Nathan Ortiz
Nathan Ortiz

The only reason the fat fuck is an e-celeb is that mutts get a hard on everytime they listen to English accents
He is beyond retarded, ultra whitetrash uneducated shit-tier sophist

Joshua Scott
Joshua Scott

digits

It's not even that they need to be BTFO, but they do need to realize that JP isn't a first and final source for life advice. It would at least be a start if they acknowledged their identification as JP's "Buckos" is the same identity politics their clean-room messiah abhors.

Leftists make these threads.
Hardly. Sup Forumstards like to pretend that the most polarized forms of SJWs group together make concerted efforts to interrupt our e-celeb gossip. It seems like you believe that "the lost boys of kek" are an untapped support group, which in a way is true, every domain group has uneducated members that are easily swayed.

who are the leftists
I wrote the previous paragraph before even reading your next line, incredible how you actually paint the image of SJWs and the whole LGBTLMFAO gang as having grudge against Peterson. Your image of leftist foot soldiers actually fearing something is hilarious. Leftists fear nothing, they are their own gods and have far too much pride to actually understand an ideology to fear it.

buckos aren't cultists
You're practicing the same level as character assassination by claiming all criticisms of JP come from 'leftists'.

Answering questions you yourself posed.
JP knows exactly what he's saying. That's why we know he's dangerous.

leftists actually understand what they're doing
False. Leftists aren't a direct danger, they are tools of globalists far more capable and collected than SJWs and Antifa could ever be.

Is JP worth looking into?
Definitely. Everyone is worth questioning though. JP has a strong message, but the effects of it pose no threat to globalist agenda. He's perfectly inoffensive and polite, a strong virtue, but blindly listening to him will leave you educated without a means to change the world; weak.

Joseph Davis
Joseph Davis

Or we could just let fewer of them into the country so they have not choice but to integrate. Or pick people from more similar cultures to our own so the degree of integration needed is less.
But that would be sane and logical. So let just let 30 million muslims completely take over entire cities.

Noah Jackson
Noah Jackson

no passion for pollitics heaps of passion for black cocks amiright?

Wyatt Scott
Wyatt Scott

How fucking sensitive do you think the white race is?

James Howard
James Howard

Been listening to Jordan Peterson a bunch, along with the book “Hero with 1000 Faces”. I’m really interested in the history of the human race and our psychology, so the Bible series has been borderline indulgent for me.
I’m sad that he’s been dragged into the political scene.

William Lee
William Lee

Why would you consider for example, Jordan Peterson's call for group cooperation and individuals to transcend their groups through the responsibilities that give their life meaning to be stupid? Do you disagree with him that this tribalism is creating conflict and their implementation has been destructive/not as pretty as the proponents probably hoped?

What about Sargon? I know his comments about "so what" about the white race trigger a lot of people but what about his anti-identity politics, universal rights sort of liberalism? What's the big issues with these guys ?

Nicholas Bell
Nicholas Bell

Joseph campbells writing always bothered me, so manu great ideas in his head, but his writing is not very good

Henry Clark
Henry Clark

For a short.time after moot banned porn.
Was a long time ago.

Carter Nelson
Carter Nelson

Not that you asked, but I don't consider JP's call for group cooperation a logical or possible idea for societal improvement. I claim that groups cannot inherently cooperate in any 'fair' manner as one group's ideals will inherently benefit the offering group more than the other group. I won't call it stupid, but it seems slightly hypocritical that JP believes that all human psychology and societal hierarchies are biologically determined (which I agree with to a point), but that we shouldn't form the tribes and groups that we evolved to thrive in. I agree that tribalism creates conflict, but unlike the previous several millennia there is never any resolution to that conflict because of artificial social constructs that prevent one people from wiping out another.

So in short, this is what I hear from JP: Tribes will always exist because of our biology, but tribes will also create endless conflict and we should all just get along by evolving beyond groups to become individuals that still have a necessity to represent those groups because (you guessed it) of our inherent biological hierarchies.

I refuse that line of logic, though the premise is admirable it will never work as a permanent societal ideology.

I do not believe in the individual, I believe in the family unit and a society built on benefiting the classical family unit.

Nathaniel Campbell
Nathaniel Campbell

The bigger issue is that the plan is to destroy the West by flooding it with apes, who are low IQ and easy to manipulate using propaganda. This is done in order to create a one world government, probably in Israel. Do you understand? Any solution that is not white nationalism is doomed to fail, either in the short or the long term.

The window is closed for white nationalism, I believe. Now, we have about 20-40 years until the next crisis. If we had a united front post-2016, we might've been able to sort this shit out. I don't know if the Alt Lite is serious about their proclaimed beliefs, or if they are playing the long con, and are waiting to show that they are actually white nationalists. Somehow I doubt that it's the latter.

Either way, a part of me thinks that the systematic destruction of the West is for the best. Aryans survived on polar bear fur and snow when they where in Hyperborea, and I have a feeling that they'll thrive in this circumstance as well.

Adrian James
Adrian James

Careful with that Black-pill user. Systemic destruction of the west also means systemic destruction of whites. While both have large snouts and appear to be white, polar bears are infinitely less dangerous than (((them))).

Lucas Parker
Lucas Parker

flooding it with apes
Any solution that is not white nationalism is doomed to fail
That's a rather large leap in logic.

Charles Watson
Charles Watson

Address me you meme.

Evan Edwards
Evan Edwards

Nice trips, I will if the thread doesn't 404 before I finish with this client meeting. I've got to go slay a dragon, shouldn't be long.

Ian Thompson
Ian Thompson

Do your best, bucko.

Jaxson Long
Jaxson Long

Americans don't understand that they are a county that has been purposefully poisoned by their government since the 50's to be docile and stupid. It's actually fucking sad that their government was so powerful that it basically was allowed to create a generation of retards through pumping chemicals and lead into everything and pumping it down their throats for 50 years with no one batting an eye. Only in the late 2000's did people really start caring what they were shoving into their bodies.

Michael Price
Michael Price

Kek.

We'll see what happens. If I set the black pill aside for a moment, I do think that the globalists are extremely weak right now, and could be for the foreseeable future. The only problem now is this cuck civic nationalism/classical liberalism, which will give them enough time to regroup once the apes have birthed a few generations into the West. I can already see the propaganda targeting the mudshits: "You were refugees in Syria, bombed by the imperialist, colonialist white people."

No, it's not. You just haven't figured it out yet. Rome fell because it was a civic nationalist society that was flooded with apes.

Matthew White
Matthew White

I kind of doubt you've spent the time looking into alternatives mate.

Luke Bailey
Luke Bailey

How many of these fucking Shareblue threads are there going to be? Shit like this is honestly so retarded. These guys are reasonable and drop casual red pills all day but some fucking Shillary hack keeps smearing their names
RREEEEEEEE

David Scott
David Scott

I have actually. But tell me a couple of them. I hope they're not Sargon's/Peterstein's.

Colton Hill
Colton Hill

reasonable
to americans its not reasonable to try and reach peaceful resolutions

Jaxson Perez
Jaxson Perez

Peterson literally did an entire series of biblical lectures which he presented at packed university seminars last year, you absolute mongoloid.

Evan Roberts
Evan Roberts

Don't worry maple-kun with another 50 years of poison, we'll be at your level.

Set the black-pill down for good. Only boomer pre-apocalyptic rapturists are allowed; the rest have to fight the good fight.

Sargon isn't reasonable, he's exactly as he appears on surface level, an e-celeb with no strong convictions.

Peterson is reasonable, but his ideology has dangerous implications.

There's no such thing as peaceful resolutions between two different groups occupying the same society.

All of Peterson's biblical lectures are completely metaphorically-based. He is also of the firm belief that reasonable morals can be completely drawn from secular ideologies. Which by statement is the antithesis to theology.

Sebastian Brown
Sebastian Brown

All of Peterson's biblical lectures are completely metaphorically-based
As opposed to what? Taking it literally?

Levi Gutierrez
Levi Gutierrez

implying an ethnostate wouldn't descend into totalitarianism.

Hunter Robinson
Hunter Robinson

Yes. Giving no credence to the bible as containing literal events disposes of any purpose to appreciate its additional metaphorical impact. It can appreciated as a great work because it contains both, not exclusively one or the other.

Kevin Ross
Kevin Ross

Your legitimately suggesting block-busting as a solution? Are you completely fucked?

Just stop letting them into the country, it doesn't have to be complicated.

Adrian Perez
Adrian Perez

It definitely wouldn't, it would become either a republic or evolve into monarchy from that.

Colton Nelson
Colton Nelson

America wasn't founded as an ethnostate
ruining the ethnostate hasn't harmed the republic

Careful guys, a society completely dominated by white males might descend into a republic.

Leo Russell
Leo Russell

Does this shilling work? All it does is make people side with Peterson as a reflex

John Ross
John Ross

Peterson's ideology is based on a deep understanding of the full spectrum of your mind and radical self-mastery. How is learning about yourself and gaining personal mastery a dangerous thing? He's essentially repackaging Stoic beliefs with Jungian psychology.
And do you disagree that there can be secular moral systems?
P.S. thanks for being more civil than the average Sup Forumsack.

Henry Robinson
Henry Robinson

I've no doubt there are some stories that are based on true events but there is no point in considering that factor, besides he himself said it from the start that he would analyze it in that way.

Brayden Sullivan
Brayden Sullivan

talks about how women are the deciders of a man's value
Stoic beliefs
nah

Elijah James
Elijah James

I wish I had your optimism.
Current USA is 56% white. How do you intend to convert the USA into an ethnostate without taking totalitarian measures?

Cameron Howard
Cameron Howard

I've never heard him say that, but he DID say that women have traditionally been the sexual gatekeepers and that's pretty obvious if you look at evolutionary psychology. And please don't say "evolutionary psychology is a Jewish trick", since the discipline has already done a lot of damage to leftist narratives.

Daniel Kelly
Daniel Kelly

I don't consider JP's call for group cooperation a logical
Do you mean his idea of the left and right using their different aspects to keep eachother in balance or his idea of finding your group (occupation, sport, family, community, whatever) and then using individualism to "transcend" merely following a group?
I claim that groups cannot inherently cooperate
I kind of agree here, but I see it more as if the categorization of people is more prominent then there's more abrasion, whereas for example if you're buying some copper to make some electrical wire in the capitalist sense, the group falls away into the background and allows people from different "groups" so to speak to cooperate. It's a great criticism of classical liberalism that it created too much harmony.
I won't call it stupid, but it seems slightly hypocritical
yeah a bit hypocritical but if you listen to his talks he talks of biological aspects that humans are the only animals that can consciously transcend them to some degree. So if you buy that, then it kind of makes sense.
social constructs that prevent one people from wiping out another.
Doesn't sound so fun or even necessary.
So in short, this is what I hear from JP:
I would add that what he's saying is that identifying yourself along the lines of race for example and nothing else is dangerous, whereas you still need groups and to be able to function in society, at the workplace, in your family, in your sports team but your goal for life needs to be more than just following the group it needs to be your goal, your meaning to find your own path into the unknown and bring back what you learn to the group.
I do not believe in the individual
You don't believe in the autonomy of your own consciousness/soul and it's need to cooperate with other souls? Why don't you believe in yourself and the character, beliefs and actions of others? What use is stopping at the categorical level and ignoring everything passed that?

Brayden Howard
Brayden Howard

I don't believe you, the confirmation bias reeks. No one who has played with different perspectives in any depth is that simplistic with their dichotomies and solutions.

Ian Foster
Ian Foster

He did say it.

Gabriel Gray
Gabriel Gray

You don't have to believe me, just tell me the solutions.

Jason Flores
Jason Flores

Can you tell me where? I genuinely want to hear it.

Lincoln Jenkins
Lincoln Jenkins

I can't, I've watched a lot of his shit.

Jaxson Russell
Jaxson Russell

Peterson's ideology is logical, I agree, but I believe that his premise is inherently flawed. Jung and by an extension JP, operate as classic liberalists, believers in the individual. The problem is that Jungian neurosis/self-mediation theory assumes that all humans present within a society have the capacity to effective self-regulate. The failure of liberalism (not the 'progressive' type) is the assumption that everyone in a society will be smart or are willing to be educated to that level.

I don't disagree that their can be secular moral systems, but to effectively proclaim yourself a moralist and secularist, you must also state that their is a higher power holding you to those beliefs that is outside your control. For the minority of secularists, the stringent system outside their control that holds them to their ethics is their biology and the rules of natural selection. This doesn't work for Freudian or Jungian psychology because both philosophies state that humans are in competition with that biological factor: the unconscious.

Obviously there is an element of truth in every story, failing to appreciate the literal impact as much as the metaphorical impact just makes it a classic mythos example though. JP is far too fond of putting all ancient literature through his mythos routine.

Sorry, I assumed we were already at an ethnostate. Simply put, remove non-citizens who have no impact contribution to society. Stop rewarding the non-productive behavior of citizens (welfare states). People who aren't productive die out within a few generations due to voluntary non-cooperation, those who do cooperate only accelerate the positive trend.

I'll respond to you in a sec, filled up all my postin' space.

Jonathan Parker
Jonathan Parker

I think I outgrew Sup Forums.

It feels weird.

Easton Torres
Easton Torres

Where do you get this idea that anything other than a fight for an ethno-state = flooding your country with apes? Do you just not think there's anyway to prevent a flooding besides, walls, forcible removal and homogeneity of a population? If so why would you make such a leap despite all of the logs floating underneath along the way or between those extremes in different directions?

You mentioned anything other than white nationalism failing in the short or long term, you must have a picture then of what the alternatives inevitably lead to then yeah?

What would you say to the glaring structural flaws of for example an authoritarian ethno-state attempt in the short and long term? (the worst people getting in power, trouble implementing it, unintended consequences, bad incentives in many areas, a disconnect between ideas and people on the ground and so on?

Adam Scott
Adam Scott

Regarding your first reply, would you prefer a sort of...limited liberalism? Almost like a caste system where the better people who actually have self-control also have more rights? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I'm jist trying to tease out an ideal classical liberal system which takes into account the failings of human nature?
Regarding the second part of your first reply, I like the idea. Biology is not a decent arbiter of morality. But does the higher power need to be a part of the monotheistic Big Three? I find that the most popular religious systems have inherent flaws that are too big to ignore.

Thomas Gutierrez
Thomas Gutierrez

Where does this idea that the ethnostate has to be authoritarian come from?

Do you just not think there's anyway to prevent a flooding besides, walls, forcible removal and homogeneity of a population?
Let me guess, you take away their food stamps, and they'll magically leave for greener pastures? I'm not saying that you have to go for the physical removal, but if you have the power to take away everything that keeps the apes happy, you better have the power for physical removal.

You mentioned anything other than white nationalism failing in the short or long term, you must have a picture then of what the alternatives inevitably lead to then yeah?
Yes, I do. A weakened West that is much easier to control. It does not even have to be at the hands of the globalists, or jews, or satanists, or whatever. BRICS might be interested in this. The mudshits are definitely interested in this.

Also, I notice that you still haven't provided a solution.

Josiah Stewart
Josiah Stewart

ethnostate has to be authoritarian come from?
It has to be emposed by the state.
You're not going to be able to eject millions of people without force/violence especially if more than half of the country disagrees with you. Is that kind of self-evident in practice?

Let me guess, you take away their food stamps
Do you think the only way to prevent people flooding in is to create an ethno state?
but if you have the power to take away everything that keeps the apes happy, you better have the power for physical removal
Fair enough.
A weakened West that is much easier to control.
So would you say you have a picture of multiple external forces looking at imposing their will on the west and unless the west is brutally strong some evil group is going to get it's tentacles wrapped around the western civs?
Also, I notice that you still haven't provided a solution.
Slow down cowboy, you need to explain these great big logical leaps you've made into a totally binary situation of outcomes. How can we talk about Peterson's or Sargon's or my solutions if you're dead set that a white ethno state is the only thing that will prevent utter destruction of the west, I can't understand how you'd think like that without buying into one too many victimhood conspiracy theories ya know?

Leo Richardson
Leo Richardson

I really wish I could just talk to Sargon and get a few things across to him
Please Lord allow this

Luke Bell
Luke Bell

I disagree with his idea that the left and right keep each other in balance. I don't believe it's a 2D see-saw, I believe the ideologies of each group contradicts the other and thus they cannot exist side-by-side in a society. Society must be defined by one or the other else it begins collapsing. JP states that finding your group identity is a necessary development that occurs in childhood, lest the person suffer developmental failure. His mission for young men to find their group is admirable, as it's a basic tenet of a working community, but his consistency breaks down as soon as the young male wants to join a group centered around ethnicity. Then JP calls it identity politics.

I wouldn't say that categorization promotes abrasion, I claim that a society seeking to eliminate labels and merge vastly different ethnic groups and cultural groups will cause a massive polarization of groups fighting to be seen separately, THAT causes abrasion. I also contend that trading isn't cooperation. A deal is never mutually beneficially to both parties on an even level. One organism always benefits more from mutualism. Classic Liberalism to me is protection of indivdual liberties to promote economic freedom and growth, but I don't believe humans biologically can function within that system.

If a bird cage is left open with a cat in the house, is the result fun or necessary? No. It's nature though. The issue arises when someone is cramming birds into a house full of cats, continuously, under the guise of 'diversity'.

JP fully dismisses anyone who identifies with their ethnicity though. Even if theyre a well constructed person.

If one believes in a need to cooperate with others, and trusts in the actions of others then they are no individualist or libertarian. An individualist values only the personal freedoms afforded to themselves. They may believe in the personal freedom of others, but only because of the validation of their own freedom.

Parker Russell
Parker Russell

posts like this are so unbelievably retarded. do you not understand that the jews propaganda would not be able to get thru to people of the white race if they listened to peterson's advice.
"if you dont call out the jews youre against the white race"
said the most mentally ill posters on Sup Forums
you seriously have to be a retard to believe in all the jewish propaganda and think being a stronger person wouldnt make it harder to fall for the propaganda. also just for fun and for the salt ill mention that jews like ben shapiro have done way more for america than any of you faggot pussies ever will. "b-b-but he said he didnt care about the browning of america!" cry moar pls

Ian Garcia
Ian Garcia

Well, the ethnostate itself does not have to be authoritarian, once it is established. There is also this ongoing assumption that the ethnostate is supposed to be in the current US or Europe. It does not. If you've read my other posts, you'll see that I'm very blackpilled on the ability to save the West, due to people like Sargon, Peterstein and yourself, i.e the half the country that disagrees with me. And if saving the West would include saving people like the lot of you, I'd rather let it burn down tbqh.

So would you say you have a picture of multiple external forces looking at imposing their will on the west and unless the west is brutally strong some evil group is going to get it's tentacles wrapped around the western civs?
Do you disagree?

Slow down cowboy, you need to explain these great big logical leaps you've made into a totally binary situation of outcomes. How can we talk about Peterson's or Sargon's or my solutions if you're dead set that a white ethno state is the only thing that will prevent utter destruction of the west, I can't understand how you'd think like that without buying into one too many victimhood conspiracy theories ya know?
Yeah, silly me. It's not like the US went from 90% white to 56% white in the span of a few decades. After all, being a victim is the greatest sin of all.

Brayden Stewart
Brayden Stewart

I hope that plan has a way of stopping the muslims in his country from out breeding whites, otherwise he is going to find his rights violated in much the same way his ass will be.

Wyatt Long
Wyatt Long

I'm a classic conservative. I want a federal system that guarantees individual rights. I want a full reduction of all government welfare/education/diversity/immigration programs that favor individuals. I want a return to republic-ideals and decentralized power. If policy favors the family unit, families will flourish. If families flourish, so too will society.

The worst mistake a society can make is believing that an individual can contribute as effectively to a society as a family can.

Liberalism and libertarianism state that the individual can be the basis for society, I argue that the family unit must operate as the basis. For it is only through the traditional marriage of man and women and the upbringing of offspring with said ideals in mind that a society will have a future.

Oliver Mitchell
Oliver Mitchell

Only children, trolls and shills claim that Shapiro and Peterson have done nothing to benefit the conservative movement.

That being said, if you don't acknowledge the coercive effort to eliminate members of white ethnicity by Jewish Neo-Bolsheviks, you're not doing anything to promote the re-establishment of hardline white/western culture/society.

Wyatt Sullivan
Wyatt Sullivan

Fuck bro you seem really depressed and nihilistic. Is your room clean? I haven't been this pessimistic since Ron Paul was colluded against in 2012....I've read so many conspiracies about jews, lizard entities, marxists, facists, the powers that be but at the end of the day I have a vision, I can see all the differen avenues to getting there.

But if your specific goal is just an ethnostate I see no other way around it besides conflict with the broader society, authoritarian means to this end. You say it doesn't have to be authoritarian when it's set up, well Soviet Russia didn't have to be Authoritarian after the revolution/redistribution but that's what happens when you try to use the ring of power.

My big light to shed on this Facist/Nazi move for an ethno-state is that by mere fact of worshipping a strong man with a plan and dividing society into categories there really is no other option besides the total leviathan state, a god like figure that thinks he can control it and the naive people underneath that are now part of a much different culture, one of conflict and division.

Quick question though, let's say all of our society ends up hating marxists and identity politics, lets say we even get an ethno-state, what is to be done about white birthrates?

Would you say you're the kind of person that hopes the state/Trump/whoever give the people structure and meaning so they can live better lives? Because I see that a lot but I don't think the state can ever play that role or that it has to in the first place, I find it kind of lazy too.

Anthony Reed
Anthony Reed

Liberalism and libertarianism state that the individual can be the basis for society, I argue that the family unit must operate as the basis
Why not have a culture that focus' on the family and laws that protect individuals freedom? Would you say family being the basis means a reduction in freedom?

Robert Perry
Robert Perry

This except I understand controlled opposition

Brody Harris
Brody Harris

We used to have one user, America was founded on those very beliefs. The hardest part about classic conservatism for people to swallow is understanding of what it means to be free. Essentially, people, both men and women wanted to have complete autonomy with complete societal success. Essentially have their cake and eat it too.

This behavior though is far more damaging to women than men. Men who don't want to participate in society are either self-productive misers or beneficial philantropists. If they are non-productive, they find no mates and don't reproduce.

Females on the other hand require protection, they are not as hardy as men, cannot sacrifice reproduction time like men and as a result sought for the government to guarantee their ability to participate in family society and working society. Only men can truly choose both. Women can either be non-productive economically and fully beneficial to society or productive to the economy with no societal benefit. As a result of JP's very correct biological hierarchy, women yearn to reproduce.

Instead of sacrificing one or the other, they tried to have both. We are seeing the extensive product of this today. A family unit can have full freedom.

TL;DR: Men can make babies and make money, women can either make babies or make money. The attempt of the government to ensure that women can do both is a fallacy.

Ayden Lee
Ayden Lee

im not doing anything to promote the re-establishment of that but i do agree that a group of neo-bolsheviks attempt to eliminate the white race and use propaganda to do so but am also aware that promoting certain values will do more to prevent that than just calling all jews liars

Brody Gomez
Brody Gomez

The only unshakable rule for the ethnostate is that it is monoracial. You do not need an authoritarian government to ensure that. For all I care, it can be a republic.

Quick question though, let's say all of our society ends up hating marxists and identity politics, lets say we even get an ethno-state, what is to be done about white birthrates?
This is a non-issue, because you will not have to compete against other ethnic groups within your borders. Population will drop until it reaches equilibrium, and then it will probably increase again.

Would you say you're the kind of person that hopes the state/Trump/whoever give the people structure and meaning so they can live better lives?
To an extent. My ideal form of societal organization is the ethno-corporation, which is a highly authoritarian, and much smaller form of the ethno-state (up to 1 million people). Basically, the CEO has absolute power over his employees and company, and employment is multi-generational. Of course, becoming a part of the ethno-corporation is voluntary. It is basically futuristic feudalism, and I believe that in the much longer term, it's the direction we're heading. The ethno-corporation will provide housing, food, clothing, and regulate the reproduction of its employees.

Brandon Edwards
Brandon Edwards

Same thing with the anti-sargon threads.

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Eli Torres
Eli Torres

There are different levels of controlled opposition. Some believe they are actually helping matters improve, some know exactly what theyre doing. I would say JP is one of the former.

It's not necessarily calling all Jews liars, it's as easy simply not trusting any other ethnic group and being very scrupulous about who you include in that group. I personally don't believe that many in the 'Jews' in America are truly Hebrew or Zionist, but nor do I trust Israel to not try and take advantage of my country.

he doesn't agree with me therefore he's a shill

Better clean your room bucko, you've got school tomorrow.

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