Nationalists have the upper hand with environmentalism. The left has a huge weakpoint with environmental hypocrisy waiting to be exploited. They claim to care about animals and the environment (lies) but they are hellbent on mass immigration into developed nations. These nations would have stable birthrates and be in harmony with nature forever were it not for immigration forced by the left. Instead because of pop. growth caused by immigration, we are forced to tear down forests, pave over fields & kill every wild animal that can't survive in urban areas. And immigrants will only worsen the unemployment problems caused by automation.
Japan is a perfect counter-example. The population is shrinking (not good but it could increase to 2.1 kids/couple safely). Nature is reclaiming previously inhabited areas. Habitat and animals are unthreatened. Why? Because Japan has NO IMMIGRATION. Leftists have shamed Japan for this for decades, Japan has ignored it. Leftists have predicted economic doom for Japan that has never happened. Robots are now filling labor gaps, eliminating leftist arguments about needing immigrants. Whites should look to Japan as a role model for immigration, economics and environmentalism.
We need to start exposing leftist hypocrisy about environmentalism with memes: >Immigrants beside urban sprawl juxtaposed against beautiful nature >Deforestation >Endless suburbs >Cute animals fearing for their habitat >Graphs and stats about pop. growth caused mostly by immigration >Japanese ghost towns reclaimed by nature >Stats about Japan's economic success despite zero immigration >Advanced robots replacing human jobs >Stats showing how many less resources a robot requires than a human >Unemployed riots full of immigrants attacking robots and governments >Neo-Luddite dystopia
This is a good angle of attack and we should use it. Leftists are hypocrites that don't care about animals or the environment. They only care about causing overpopulation via immigration.
this is the end result of leftist immigration policies
Blake Clark
this is the end result of nationalist immigration policies
Camden Fisher
this is what leftists are getting rid of to make room for immigrants
Jack Long
this is a good example we can learn from
Daniel Peterson
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Parker Gomez
sounds nice, have a bump.
Ryder Richardson
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Dylan Bennett
The problem is that people really don't care about environmentalism. Out of everything on the list, the only one pertinent for normies are the robots stealing their jobs.
Jason Hill
Have a free bump
Matthew Torres
Another thing- really drill into why we're bringing people in when they also say robots will take all our jobs.
Most immigrants have no degrees or skills. They have no education about recycling or environmental protection. Focus! Focus! Focus!
Bump!
Camden Gonzalez
>The problem is that people really don't care about environmentalism but leftists scream about how much they care about it all the time
this is a weak point a perfect opportunity to expose them as hypocrites
this is a gaping hole in their armor and I say we jam a blade in there ASAP and twist it
Owen Stewart
Can we attack them with photos of leftist protestors/antifa that wear designer clothing? I remember doing that during the election when the street wars were happening on a regular basis.
Chase Anderson
definitely that would work
I'm trying to think of how to clearly link immigration with habitat destruction, the problem is that it's a small chain of events rather than direct cause->effect
it's basically like this
low white birthrate + immigration = pop. growth caused mostly by immigration = overpopulation & urban sprawl = habitat destruction & species endangerment
basically immigration = anti-environmentalism but we have to show the link inbetween clearly, and in a very simple and digestible way
Joseph Richardson
>these nations that have done most of their damage already to the world when they were ethnically homogenous and who inhabit a world which is dying no matter what the demos of said nations would be in harmony with nature even though they would never stop mass extraction of resources, pollution or institute demechanization and also since im lying im ommitting that they’d be warring with each other because at no point in european history have nation-states in the west not tried to massacre each other and also i like consumerism and capitalism because im right wing scum and also i like oil and fossil fuels and guns and heavy metals and all the things im supposed to like because im a right wing retard yeah the left has no chance for environmenalism desu great twitter take from the top minds on the frog net
Evan Fisher
Better idea imo. Leftist hypocrisy is easy to find and exploit.
Julian Bell
I don't think we have to shove in white birthrate or replacement. The identitarian angle's going to scare people off, but we need to attack the left from every possible angle. Not every single one needs to be pro-white or we can't make inroads into their brainwashed minds.
Focus specifically on connecting high birth-rates from third-worlders only to environmental depletion.
Adam Nelson
>these nations that have done most of their damage already to the world when they were ethnically homogenous
citation needed
>nations would be in harmony with nature they would be much closer to harmony with nature if their populations stopped growing and they stopped letting more people in, this is an indisputable fact more people = more resources needed
>institute demechanization
this would be worse for the environment as robots will replace human workers who require far more resources than the robot
>wars not relevant, if enviro firendly and enviro unfirendly countries all war then war is not a factor
all your arguments have been debunked
do you have any more?
Kevin Davis
yes I'd like to see their solution to pic related the environment is certainly gong to suffer a lot
Jayden Brown
Why don't you try this argument: >nowadays ruling countries have roots in mass migration >however, their case was different than ours: they became great because the places where people settled were sparsely populated and under developed >of course we are aware of the native americans' and aborigenes' génocide. But that's not the point, because even by leaving such populations intact, there was still a lot of "room" in the colonised lands >now, such countries, and America in particular, have spread the idea that everyone should be like them >unfortunately, the world is getting overpopulated, so the idea of moving out is a myth because there is no Zion or Virginia waiting for us, unless we develop space travel >therefore, the usual leftist claim that freedom of movement should be allowed is ill-conceived and based on the imperialist belief that you have to move to realise yourself and make your life better >such individualism is faulty at its core. How is it possible to conceive of freedom of movement as a case for individual self-fulfilment and without considering the damages it causes?
>another issue is that advocates of freedom of movement usually draw on completely different concepts >they talk of tourism... But they use it as an argument in favour of mass migration. This is a fallacy, because tourism is by definition free inasmuch as the visa is valid. Tourism is the furthest thing from freedom of movement >similarly, they talk of people moving to other countries to spend their lives there forever. This is unclear. Why shouldn't people plan their lives a bit more carefully? Should assistance be given with the prospect of not going back? >finally, the leftist should consider that, by attracting HR from other countries, we deprive such countries of valuable individuals
Bottom line: >If they send their worst, we ought to stop migration for our own sake >If they send their best, we ought to stop migration for their own sake
So many arguments here.
William Russell
>we need to attack the left from every possible angle agreed >Not every single one needs to be pro-white or we can't make inroads into their brainwashed minds. agreed, wish more people could see this
>Focus specifically on connecting high birth-rates from third-worlders only to environmental depletion. heavily agree even without talking about birthrates (assuming people only have 2 kids per couple no matter their background which is a generous and incorrect assumption) you're still increasing the population through immigration alone
Kayden Reed
Also, please somebody tell me a moment in history where people moved and it was regarded as a good thing.
Hunter Hughes
Good thinking, fellow leaf
Wyatt Myers
You forgot the best part of Japan which is they are literally making their debt vanish by economic magic. They realized their debt is essentially not real, so they just use not real money to pay it and it's working.
Luis Richardson
Can you explain? Is this humour or not?
Because the debit is actually made by the country with itself. Not with foreign countries.
Logan King
Trips. Wow
Angel Allen
weaponized cuteness incoming, standby
Camden Kelly
People will probably mention the Anglos, Saxons, and invaders to the UK isles being examples of good cultural fusion. Also Singapore, You should give counter-examples of: >Arabs genociding and diluting the blood of the unique Iranian Persians. >The Mongols destroying the Kharzemwids. > > >Chinese Sinicization of Tibet, Inner Mongolia, East Turkistan (XinJiang) and Manchuria > > Last one is huge. The reason the left has stopped supporting Tibet and jacking off His Holiness Dalai Lama is because Sinicization bears perfect resemblance to White Genocide. And because Dalai Lama has spoken out against mass-immigration. Us Mongols are the most redpilled people on immigration you'll ever meet, and Dalai Lama knows it in his heart.
Basically the Chinks create (((economic))) opportunities in conquered minority lands so ethnic Han will move there, marry locals and reproduce like rats. Mongols, Uyghurs, Manchurians and Tibetans in China are increasingly forgetting their mother tongue, writing and culture at increasing levels with each generation.
The Chinese mine and plant on their lands, build cities and destroy cultural artifacts. And the Left completely ignores this because it's literally White Genocide for gooks.
Jeremiah Martin
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Adrian Bell
without the hashtag
Hudson Perry
very good development of the arguments thank you user
I especially like the summary: >If they send their worst, we ought to stop migration for our own sake >If they send their best, we ought to stop migration for their own sake
David Robinson
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Jordan Lopez
I think thats a misnomer. People dont like vrgans or animal rights people screeching - but most still prefer standing forests, clean water and breathable air
Not many want to live in some turd worldslimeslum regardless of how normie or conservative they are.
Isaac Diaz
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Zachary Ward
Also, don't forget to quote the Japan-Peru relations.
Japan kept organising airplanes for Peruvian seasonal workers during the 80s and early 90s. The choice of Peruvians was based on the fact they were considered "sufficiently racially similar not to upset the local Japanese". At the end of each seasons, Peruvian workers would go back home and spend their money in Peru.
Of course, some intermarriages occurred. You cannot dispense with a "buffer zone".
Yet, I don't se why we shouldn't do the same. >take Africans who freely enroll >bring them in >work camps >feed them for 3-4 months >pay them a fair but competitive wage... At least for their countries' standards >send them back so they spend their pocket monies at home
Some of them will get rich enough to start business where they came from. Other ones will simply inject cash in the local economy without the need for gibs or charity.
If our welfare systems need so much an increase in workforce, let them work here... And send them home afterwards.
Seasonal work has always been a thing. It is not slavery and it is not illegal.
Mason Miller
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Grayson Gomez
interesting point
it could be used as a counter to leftists wanting them to permanently settle
however I think robots will make that kind of labor obsolete very quickly
Landon Fisher
some leftist retard tried to debunk the arguments in OP and failed, useful counter points here:
Henry Cruz
I know a Peruvian. Looks like the Japan-Peru relationship was mostly a success but eventually stopped since no reason. His girlfriend's part Japanese-Peruvian, both pretty smart people. Interestingly enough there's Peruvian Neo-Nazis. I guess there's /ourguy/ fascists everywhere!
common divide & conquer shill tactics targeting harmony between white men & women:
>pushing the "asian women are traditional / white women are evil" lie >posting porn pics of asian women & latina women >LARPing as white females claiming to be right wing and then attacking men and throwing leftist-style accusations at them ("misogynist", "sexist", etc) >LARPing as white females and attacking men for not accepting tons of past sexual partners >spamming MGTOW conspiracy theories to baselessly demonize white women (mostly equating all white women with leftists) >glorifying MGTOW hedonistic lifestyles, appealing to pleasure & appealing to laziness ("you can play video games all you want and spend lots of money if you stay single...")
examples of current shill slide threads using these tactics:
Kayden Scott
>however I think robots will make that kind of labor obsolete very quickly Okay, but the left is concerned with human dignity.
Also, you should consider that only working ethics produces civilised countries.
A problem in Africa is that a lot of people come to families that are hard-working in the sense of basic subsistence, but are not used to being employees or getting waged regularly.
For change to happen in Africa, you need people to come here and see first hand how things should be managed to make a factory work... Or to make healthcare and services work.
This should set the example. They will move back to their country and demand similar treatment (e.g. Work safety and human rights).
Eli Walker
Holy shit this is basically a thread that sounds like the "old" pol. And all the new fags are deserting it.
Parker Miller
MGTOW is a pretty obvious D&C shill operation in hindsight. >fascism/NatSoc is anti-degeneracy/Hedonism, barely tolerates Epicurean thought >Christianity and fascism promote procreation and large families, healthy familial relationships >fascists hate narcotics, use alcohol responsibly, think weed is for lazy and old people meanwhile >MGTOW discourages dating and courtship >zero tolerance of past sexual partners or ideological shift >encourages hedonism, bromance, narcotic/alcohol usage, miserliness with currency. >pushes micro-chimerism bullshit, discourages procreation.
Literally how can anyone fall for this
Dominic Davis
8/pol/ and /mlpol/ are good for that but their population is quite low and full-chan is very paranoid. Sup Forums and most political groups in general are currently in hibernation because the election was extremely draining.
Gavin Martinez
>Literally how can anyone fall for this MGTOW preys on mental & spiritual weaknesses, pic very related
Luis Watson
>treat women like human beings >work out >eat right >read books >be confident >don't drink to get fucked >marijuana rarely or never >narcotics never >have white children >roasties aren't as common as you think, and women with less partners aren't as rare as you think
MGTOW faggots literally cannot grasp concepts this simple. They'll go on DOTR too.
Jackson Bennett
>greentext Story of my life
P. S.: the disappearing captcha is cancer
Anthony Campbell
not sure if you've seen these, but I tested out a new general called /twg/ Traditional Women General, so far it has driven MGTOWs and shills completely insane, they maxed out every thread with 300+ ass-blasted replies, 13 threads in a row like this:
Charles Lopez
I might start baking and spamming semi-related redpill infographics myself. Looks like attention-getting threads like that are in demand. Might as well school some Jewed office-virgins on the JQ and feminism in the meantime.
Cooper Campbell
anything that supports harmony between white men and women or shows white women in a positive light is absolutely 100% guaranteed to drive them crazy, they can't stand it
based off the reactions from those 13 /twg/ threads, I'm starting to think that destroying the harmony between white men and women is the top priority of most shills
that seems to be their biggest plan / tactic
also pics like this one drive them insane, spread some redpills that counter their shill poison and couple them with a beautiful family / mother and child pic and their heads blow up
Jason Brown
Can we go back IT?
I am still curious about Japan as a model
Brody Young
yes
here are some arguments & counter arguments from a previous thread:
Japan’s Growing Number of Ghost Towns and the Reasons Behind It
>Within Japan, the statistics show that each woman is having, on average, 1.4 children. This total is not enough to keep up with the number of people dying each year. >immigration does not add much in Japan
Japan is the ideal model for developed countries to exist in harmony with nature. They could increase their birthrate to 2.1 kids per couple and exist in harmony forever.
Alexander Long
We need more threads like this one. Strategy, arguments and meta politics to gain people to our side. If all threads were as good as this then Sup Forums would be heaven.
Bump from rare-ish flag.
Bentley Adams
thank you user very rare I never ended up making an MBMC meme for the Faroe Islands, I did make one for Iceland though
Jack Clark
I've run out of bumps for this thread so want to help out my cuck-slaying thread?
Elijah Robinson
yes lol thank you user
I will help by posting links to your thread in current anti-female threads
Logan Nguyen
The US could certainly learn from the Japanese healthcare system. Their "big black book" would even work despite our goblin infestation.
Easton Smith
The /twg/ threads couldn't agree on anything.
Especially when I started asking about lists of qualifiers. I tried asking about the list for a guy looking for an average tradwife as well as that tradwife's list. Absolute hell broke loose. One would think there would be a standardized list for either gender, and sub lists to define your tier so you can match with the other gender's tier.
Logan Brooks
As long as we quit feeding those rats, that population statistic will never come to pass. A disease will soon wipe out a lot of africa.
Joshua Price
The Sierra Club was anti-immigration until a few years ago.
Isaac Miller
>Catherine Tactaquin, executive director of the California-based National Network for Immigrant and Refugee Rights, sat on Sierra’s eight-member committee on population growth in 1994. The organization’s general membership was roughly 93 percent white at the time, says Tactaquin, and many wanted Sierra to take controversial positions on immigration and reproduction to advocate for reduced population growth. >The population committee had equal numbers, women and men. Tactaquin says that all of the women were pro-immigration and championed reproductive rights, while the men were steadfastly anti-immigration. >colorlines.com/articles/how-sierra-club-learned-love-immigration
Fucking roasties.
Jose White
bump
Isaac Price
> Absolute hell broke loose that's because when a /twg/ thread exists, shills devote +50% of their resources to attacking it and it usually becomes the most bumped and replied thread on Sup Forums
Levi Robinson
My thread is pretty active, heh. It's true.
Andrew Gutierrez
fuck off you leaf cuck
Daniel Butler
More underboob?
Brody Kelly
>exact same damn flag this is so fucking ironic it hurts