China is poised to challenge American air dominance and has already shown itself to be a formidable naval power.
>“China’s emerging weapons developments and broader defence-technological progress mean that it has become a global defence innovator and is not merely ‘catching up’ with the West,” Dr. John Chipman, Director-General and Chief Executive of IISS, said.
China’s Chengdu J-20 low-observable combat aircraft is on track to enter front-line squadron service by 2020, jeopardizing the US monopoly on operational stealth combat aircraft.
>“These advances are all part of the Chinese air force’s goal to become capable of challenging any opponent in the air domain. For the past three decades, air dominance has been a key advantage for the US and its allies. This can no longer be assumed."
We gave up on fighting them when we decided to fight the whole middle east. 9/11 completely moved the Hainan incident off the minds of everyone.
Oliver Richardson
They may have 'chinese quarity' weapons, but they can zerg USA with easy
Nicholas White
What was america suppose to do? Attack china? Cut off the economical machine then lose to middle eastern terrorists? Only a fool would think the world would be forever frozen in a status quo after the USSR fell but rather new powers are always growing.
Aaron Reyes
There are a few things you have to understand about China:
>1. China exists for one reason alone: Keeping the CCP members rich and powerfull. Everything that happens in China is geared towards this goal. And the CCP cronies will fight anyone who threatens the flow of money into their offshore bank accounts. The term "threaten" is very important here. You can talk about corruption and political repression in China. No one realy cares about what you say and think. Only if you start gaining followers, when you start to threaten the wealth of corrupt government officials (a.ka. "disturb the harmony"), only then you will be disappeared. Not for long, though. Your organs will show up as soon as some rich Arab needs new ones.
>2. China has no army. While there is an army in China, it is the CCP's army. It's purpose is not to defend China, but to kill the dirty chinese peasants if they ever try to revolt against the party. The PLA soldiers are literally and publicly sworn to defend the communist party, not the chinese people. Killing god knows how many unruly chinese subjects is in fact the only thing this "army" has ever done since the day of its inception.
>3. China is poor Despite all the shiny new skyscrapers in Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen, China is still a piss poor country with a substantial portion of its population living off less than 2 US$ per day. While there is considerable economic improvement in China, economic growth has been nowhere near as high or steady as the Communist Party claims.
Anthony Scott
>lose to middle eastern terrorists Yeah we sure controlled that problem.
Juan Harris
The chinese peasants chose this communist government. So what makes you think in a war they will turn on their own? America is winning in the middle east but at huge cost. Nobody said it would be easy to control the world as only 3% of its total population.
Matthew Price
>2050 >muh China will collapse soon >muh housing bubble will burst soon >muh China debt crisis will spiral out of controll soon >muh Gordon Chang's 32nd revision of "Chinas impending collapse" >muh poor nigger exploitation >muh Chinas second Mars colony wont last three months lol >muh ghost space colonies >muh shock gif collection from 2004 >muh "necessary read" bluepill screenshot of my own post from 2015
Dominic Jones
>dude thucydides trap lmao
Christopher Lee
I wish Chinese domination on our resentful Asian allies. I can't wait to see Chinese carriers in Da Nang and Subic Bay
No they did not. The chinese haven't had a say in who gets to rule over them in 2500 years and they won't have for the next 2500. They lack any concept of democracy. What you see in China today is basically exactly the same as it was when Qin made himself emperor. The literature and philosophy is the same and the hieroglyphs are still the same. They still have the same cult of personality towards whoever is in charge, the same policing the thoughts and the same concentration camps like two millenia ago. And the core of chinese politics is still ruling over "everything under sthe sky".
Hunter Kelly
Bring back manufacturing increase research e.g. advanced nuclear reactors
Anthony Brown
-_- The people revolted against the republic of china. Its like they want to be enslaved. Chinaman Mao was a peasant revolution FFS.
Cameron Myers
>And the core of chinese politics is still ruling over "everything under sthe sky". adolf gets it.
Connor Evans
You mean rip manufacturing from china and give it back to the US? We cant compete with their slave labor in that sector. Our only chance now is automation and alliances against that country.
Henry King
>start a war in the korean peninsula >south korea, japan, china..all get hit. >that's where most electronics are made ???? profit
Xavier White
Professor Chang can’t manufacture single crystals, this hunk of junk doesn’t have Supercruise lol.
Brayden Adams
You seem under the impression that I want to disagree.
>Chinaman Mao was a peasant revolution FFS. Like it has happened many times before since the Dazexiang Rebellion 209 BC.
China only knows two states of being: Total tyranny by a Ming-the-merciless or a chaotic dog-eat-dog Battle Royale clusterfuck. They never knew anything in between.
Evan Barnes
>china >power top zozzle
Sebastian Gonzalez
Americans are no good at those jobs as it takes high asian "intellect" to connect puzzle pieces.
Parker Price
Meritocracy (what they use) is a kind of democracy when considering that it does change very frequently and orderly.
What we call democracy around here ain't better, shouldn't we ourselves be having some second elections by now Germanbro?
Writing isn't the same. Mao intentionally broke that. Nevertheless you're right, everyone is returning to the store LD ways.
Dominic Russell
you ship the jobs to mexico
Brody Phillips
Come at me, gweilo.
Wyatt Long
On some labor intensive products we cannot compete with slave labor.
However there is NO excuse whatsoever for products like these. There are tons of them, just browse around alibaba. They are not labor intensive. alibaba.com/showroom/galvanized-steel-roll.html
Like they declared and celebrated the 70th anniversary of Victory over Japan in 2015. That was funny. But is is not like any chink would dare to check the historic records. Doing so would only take him to the labor camp.
There are plenty of categories that are basically roll to roll or highly automated, where they can save just a tiny bit of money by shipping the job overseas. I am sure trump knows all about this because a lot of construction materials fall into this category.
Also solar panel dumping, which was big news a few years ago.
Tyler Moore
These industries are heavily subsidized and in direct possesion of party official's families. No way in hell will the chinks let these go without a fight.
Lucas Bailey
>Garbage jet that comes apart in a wind tunnel
Challenging air dominance indeed.
Robert Diaz
I say give mexico more agriculture jobs as they would be worse than americans assembling Iphones.
Kevin Gray
How would they fight it, some kind of international trade laws?
China has arguably the worst military record in the history of the world when it comes to fighting wars with non-chinks. What makes it even more pathetic is that China always had the biggest advantages in numbers, technologies, and resources. The Chinese are just plain bad at fighting. They're cowards by nature. That's why the Chinese got conquered, raped, and enslaved by the horse-riding nomads every 200 years. The Chinese are a race of merchants and farmers; they are absolutely not a race of warriors, like the Japanese who BTFO of them despite having a mere fraction of China's population. Read section "103-105". Also see
Josiah Gonzalez
>Professor Chang can’t manufacture single crystals, this hunk of junk doesn’t have Supercruise lol.
supercruise doesnt matter. the Chinese will be fighting close to home, Americans a long way from home.
Joseph Price
>lose to middle eastern terrorists?
You mean Jews?
Jaxon Phillips
>China has arguably the worst military record in the history of the world when it comes to fighting wars with non-chinks.
Keep living in the past, before we saw how many body bags the Iraqis sent home.
Ethan Allen
>America is winning in the middle east How far do we have to move the goal post here? Our original plan was to complete the Shia Crescent?
Owen Wright
our politicians and corporations could care less at least the EU has enough brains to tariff Chinese goods.
Carson Jenkins
no they are not. china cant even get out of its back yard. they are trapped by us backed island chains. they are fucked.
Colton King
I've been on this board saying this for months. But nooooo Russia is the real enemy
Connor Scott
>no they are not. china cant even get out of its back yard. they are trapped by us backed island chains. they are fucked.
Really? Arent they expanding on islands at the moment?
Brayden Cox
Oh, that is rich. Chinks complaining about laws.
Samuel James
Russia and the USA is the most sensible alliance to counter Chinese power but liberals are hellbent on destroying this country.
Samuel Evans
How many aircraft carriers do they have again? Can they even land on them yet? Lolololololololoooooooooollllll fuck outta her chinga chang chongs, you cant even hang with our military tech from 20 years ago.
Cooper Martin
>Russia and the USA is the most sensible alliance to counter Chinese power but liberals are hellbent on destroying this country.
Russia wont ally with you against China. Why would they?
Justin Stewart
>How many aircraft carriers do they have again? Can they even land on them yet?
How many big floating billion dollar targets does the US have is the question you should be asking.
Bentley Green
Because they want access to western markets and technology the same as Chinese.
Aiden Fisher
I like your attitude and optimism. American jobs have been about machining and creation of products not assembly. Heh the chinese governments hidden debt might even be higher than our own.
Anthony Williams
Trump is too busy to protect Israel at all costs to do anything about China. At least Obama said fuck Israel and pivoted to containing China.
Chase Brown
Its more about implementing central banks and securing oil deals.
Brayden Mitchell
He is right, though. Chinas armies never failed for a lack of numbers or technology. They allways failed because of incompetence. Like any tyranny the Chinese Empreror is much more concerned with keeping controll over the military than keeping the military effcient. (and yes that includes Mao und Xi who are emperor in all but name)
Eli Sanchez
They are the #1 threat and we will lose horrifically because our government is full of either incompetents or sell outs. We probably already lost. They are bigger and each year they will need us less. We are probably doomed.
Noah Green
>China is poised to challenge American air dominance
We'll see about that when they can make monocrystalline turbine blades, set up a decent quality control and come up with a fighter that isn't a Slavshit knockoff or the stillborn child of a hacked US blueprint.
Isaac Miller
Russia wont ally with the US because that means they become vassal status. They want to be partners which means USA eventually becomes vassal to them and china.
Nicholas Taylor
Yes. Also keep in mind that there are TONS of chinese americans / wealthy chinese nationals in california's top schools which, which are also located in port cities which receive the chinese steel.
People focus so much on russian propaganda but then turn a blind eye to the chinese propaganda machine, which is massive but somehow remains hidden. It's so messed up.
Zachary Collins
China has a massive dam that is a weak point. One of our stealth bombers could destroy their heartland pretty easy.
Robert Campbell
>Because they want access to western markets and technology the same as Chinese.
that's where youre wrong. Russia doesnt need much of either.
Carson Hall
So you are arguing vassalization of the US was worth the cheap goods from China over 30 years?
Charles Smith
So all we need to is bribe some general with promise of power? Too easy.
Aiden Brooks
>Russia wont ally with the US because that means they become vassal status. They want to be partners which means USA eventually becomes vassal to them and china.
i wish countries could get out of this idea of being dominant and making others their vassals.
Charles Morales
Its because the cheap goods lobby pays to keep congress silent. In a way, China proved capitalisms flaws and killed us. We will be their vassal in 20 years. Fuck our elites to hell.
Sebastian Allen
>So you are arguing vassalization of the US was worth the cheap goods from China over 30 years?
why does anyone need to be a vassal? why not just have a community of nations
Jacob Reyes
Chicoms do not have a blue water navy.
Parker Sanders
Yeah they do only Western companies can provide the technology they need to develop their Siberian resources so that the Russian economy can grow the Chinese cant do it yet.
Adrian Evans
>formitable naval power
No
>J20 jepordizing US monopoly on stealth combat aicraft.
The J20 is a 4.5 low observable strike fighter meant to fight the Indians at best, it is both not as stealthy as a 5th gen and lacks the capabilities of a 5th gen when it comes to weapons employment, data sharing, and aircraft sensors.
Aaron Walker
>Canards >Stealth Pick one
Justin Long
Not only that, the Chinese own a ton of assets and as well as a great deal of real estate in countries like USA, Canada, and Australia. Your own businesses also cuck you out of work and send jobs to China. China will grow larger, China will grow stronger. And all China has to do is wait for western nations to continue becoming less white by the day, thus there will be hardly any competition.
Levi Scott
You mean the UN? A lot of good that did in the end.
Jason Gray
If China can control the middle east then China and Europe negotiate control of the world. The US will be playing with its boats in an empty ocean and no one else to play with.
It's in the US interest to keep Europe weak and dependant and it's in Europes interest to forge ties with China. Since the US is no longer white I see no further bind between Europe and the US.
Leo Anderson
This. We need to tariff the shit out of Chinese goods. BRING THE JOBS BACK
Sebastian Williams
>Yeah they do only Western companies can provide the technology they need to develop their Siberian resources so that the Russian economy can grow the Chinese cant do it yet
Total crap, youre obviously a believer in the American media.
Aiden Thomas
This is a relatively simple battle to win because it doesn't interrupt any supply chains, and there is national security involved (steel goes into pipelines, ships, tanks, etc). I would like to see a decent counter argument, but I doubt there is one. Just look how much it triggers these neocons and neoliberals.
Even some democrats seem to side with trump on this.
Jordan White
No, now go educate yourself on resource extraction.
Evan Brown
>China >Naval power >With one carrier that they bought second hand
Press X to doubt
Jackson Martin
This. The development of hypersonic missiles by the sinos is rendering carriers obsolete
Easton Myers
Chinks never won a single war in their history except against each other. Really, when you read their military history you feel sad for them. Actually, modern day is very good period of their history because they arent being ruled by some tiny ethnicity that brutally subjugated them and massacred millions of them, so I hope they will be smart enough to prolong this period, but if they dont - even modern demilitarized Japan or Best Korea will destroy them effortlessly.
Logan Powell
>The J20 is a 4.5 low observable strike fighter meant to fight the Indians at best, it is both not as stealthy as a 5th gen and lacks the capabilities of a 5th gen when it comes to weapons employment, data sharing, and aircraft sensors.
Oh God, not another believer in the mighty 100 F22's that are from the 90s and will be shot out of the sky in any war
Ethan Fisher
Right out of the Protocols of Zion.
Ayden Russell
You won't be white either morons.
Nicholas Price
This. Our politicians and generals need to realize we are already at war. They are a way bigger threat than the soviets ever were
Jack Campbell
Do you really think it matters what the Chinese owns in the US if a war starts Chang?
Caleb Hill
This anti-China copy pasta has little to do with this post.
Tyler Young
>even modern demilitarized Japan or Best Korea will destroy them effortlessly.
ha ha, yeah right.
Jack Bailey
well they technically won ww2 and had a draw in Korea.
Jordan Bailey
Whiter than you Muhammed. I don't mean that ironically either. The US is very Islamic.
Joshua Hughes
>Do you really think it matters what the Chinese owns in the US if a war starts Chang?
a war will only start if you start it, they wont start one.
Robert Wood
I lived in China for a few years, everyone thinks they're the big boss and wants to call the shots. The entire country suffers from the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Jacob Watson
This, F-22s fall apart in the rain for God's sake. What a colossal failure
Cameron Jenkins
see pic
Elijah Turner
lol, Islamic immigrants are the one type of immigrant we have much less of. Try again. At least our whites don't believe its hate speech to close the borders.
Bentley Brooks
>This, F-22s fall apart in the rain for God's sake. What a colossal failure
the american poster doesnt realise that China will have like 1,000 of their not very good planes against 100 F22s.
Michael Anderson
>raptor >failure
Evan Ramirez
Somewhere in the distance the chinese are screaming " not fair" They said as such before when trump threatened trade wars.
Asher Kelly
You have anchor babies. We made that illegal. When is trump going to keep his promises?
Kevin Walker
20 years ago we could have spread the gobi desert all the way to shanghai. not anymore.
Cooper Ward
By swimming across the pacific top kek
Xavier Parker
>Somewhere in the distance the chinese are screaming " not fair" They said as such before when trump threatened trade wars.
do you not recognise that China is surpassing you? seriously? the scale of Chinese production is huge, and so is their science now
Christopher Torres
America will lose to China. America is so pathetic it has to bully smaller countries than it like Russia that has a GDP smaller than Italy ffs. Americans are too much of cowards to face a country it's own size like China. Because they know China would absolutely anally obliterate America.
