Nationalism is bad

Give me one good reason why you should be proud of something you personally have never accomplished? Why are nationalists biggest achievement being lucky enough to be born a certain race? Well Sup Forums, let's hear your rebuttal against pic related.

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Fuck off, heeb

Not an argument.

>Give me one good reason why you should be proud of something you personally have never accomplished?
because its good for the civilization

and nationalism does not mean hating other civilizations, and if you say it does you are making a strawman argument

Because nationalists will trample over your ideology if you don't take pride in shit you haven't done & hate people you've never met, because they will do it regardless of what you will do

same thread, over and over. same pic and everything.

Nice strawman.

What is the alternative to nationalism then?

You are a part of the society you live in. If you cannot take pride in that, maybe you should stop living in it

There needs to be a bulwark against other "isms."
You have to stand up for something, otherwise other nationalistic/aggressive cultures will eventually dominate you.
Ironically I wouldn't be nationalist at all if our leaders didn't insist on multiculturalism.

There's nothing wrong with liking people who look and act like you.
That's all that needs to be said about this topic really.

Being able to be proud of things you did achieve yourself?

False dichotomy

>Give me one good reason why you should be proud of something you personally have never accomplished?
Because I want to and you cant stop me Schaim.

>Give me one good reason why you should be proud of something you personally have never accomplished?
Because people who are genetically similar to you accomplished it so some of the glory reflects on you.

Because it isn’t about “me.”
It’s about the people who worked their asses off to get us here.

Us niggers are literally allowed to take pride in fucking comic book lore as if it's our legit reality accomplishments about a place that doesn't even exist.

You can safely post on how much you hate your nation from your heated house in your safe country that you hate. A country in which you have never gone a day hungry, your needs are met and your wants, a country in which you have more than everything you have ever wished for. And yet you still hate it to the core.

The left is an infuriating bunch.

> Don't take pride in things you haven't done
> Take blame for slavery which is also something you didn't do

Yup, checks out it's a liberal meme.

Because I'm not a selfish fuck. I am actually capable of feeling emotions towards other people, not just myself.

Someone shop OP's pic so that one side is nice and the other side is a brown shithole (think Haiti) with huts.

Like Trump being President of the United States? I agree, that is a very big accomplishment worthy of being proud.

Because I have to take the blame for what other white people did eons ago.

It is less damaging to hate people you've never met than to love people you've never met.

That isnt done by your country but by civilisation in general. And the same civilisation that has the ability to realize those things for all of the world but rather chooses to make a small group of people retardedly rich instead.

Nationalism has nothing to do with this you faggot.

How about being proud of both your own accomplishments and the accomplishments of your ancestors fucker?

Hello, jew.

It's about (((their))) globalist agenda. They want to run a prison planet of border-less, race-less, culture-less, identity-less, subdued sheep. They make up less than 1% of the world's population, yet look at all they control from the world's finances to the media that brainwashes us.

In short, they use the entertainment and news media to encourage globalism and to discourage nationalism and traditional western values. They distort and lie about the past and present in that effort.

The truth about immigration, by the numbers:
>youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Why people are afraid of the facts about the Jews:
>youtube.com/watch?v=-iU9kf2EHJw

Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:
>youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice explained:
>youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Why are we in decline - Cultural Marxism:
>youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

The Jewish role in the refugee crisis:
>youtube.com/watch?v=IfCOO7Z39j0

Leftist subversion explained by former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov:
>youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

The full history of Jewish subversion in the west:
>youtube.com/watch?v=ygCE9Y28xWg

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:
>youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg

Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:
>youtube.com/watch?v=hvNNtBmA3SQ

The Jewish role in the porn industry:
>youtube.com/watch?v=gwd_Iofr6ZQ

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)
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The Holocaust:
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"Although I hate nationalism, I'm going to live in the nation that was built by a society that was nationalist throughout its existence, because obviously I have the principles of a diseased twat flap." - OP

Women need to learn this

Haha if thats one of your biggest accomplishments im happy for you you can see it like that.

We inherited greatness from our fathers and plan to pass greatness to our sons, not a beaner, nigger, Muslim infested hellscape ruled over by kikes.

Like white civilization? I agree, white countries have every right to be nationalistic considering how well they perform. Every person is a contribution and works to ensure things keep going well, unlike the brown and black masses who have accomplish shit all.

thank you based burger

white countries indeed take the biggest part in it, but still are dependant on leeching the rest of the world since some centuries. Like if it wern't for Asia you'd pay a few thousands for your phone.

>Give me one good reason why you should be proud of something you personally have never accomplished?
You shouldn't. You should be proud of the people, but even then logical limits should exist. For example
>I am proud of my son because he became a financially successful doctor with a nice family
>I am proud of my father because he dug himself out of poverty and provided enough to pay for the college educations of each of his children
>I am proud of my brother because he always wanted to be a politician and managed to be elected to the senate recently
All of these are perfectly reasonable things to be proud of, you know the people who I accomplished good things and are directly related to them.

>I am proud because a king from my country 300 years ago conquered a lot of land
>I am proud because someone from my country discovered the earth was round
>I am proud because my country made the tallest building ever
Are stupid because you had no impact on those, didn't accomplish them yourself and have no direct relation to the people who accomplished those things.

Nationalism as a whole is okay and natural, it is normal for humans to put their in group first, their family before strangers, their church before other religions, people who have the same culture to cultural outsiders. However claiming outright superiority especially based on past accomplishments that are due as much to circumstances to any inherent superiority are stupid. You aren't inherently better than Africans, Europe is simply far more conductive to mass civilization than Sub-Saharan Africa, you aren't inherently better than Arabs, it just so happened that as Europe rose out of feudalism the Arab world was reeling from having its center of culture and knowledge razed to the ground by Mongols. You aren't inherently better than the Chinese, they simply reached critical mass size for an empire during the pre-industrial era and thus had no means or reason to expand.

Nationalism was created by the jews to trick the goyim. Tribalism is the final redpill

Don't take pride in the good things your race has done but be ashamed of the bad things they've done goyim.

This

This is why the olympics is stupid.
>You’re rooting for clothes. - Jerry Seinfeld

Ofcourse you can be proud of what your ancestors achieved. It's just sad to see that that part seems to rule most of your lifes.

Valuing something doesn't mean you're claiming the accomplishing of other as your own.

>Why are nationalists biggest achievement being lucky enough to be born a certain race?
You have nothing to substantiate this claim.

sage.

>teaches you to take the blame for shit you haven't done & pathologically fetishise people you've never met

If the OP wishes to know my serious thoughts on the matter I encourage him to peruse the following link, especially at least the first 20-30 pages where he talks about the history of his family and on heritage in general. Respect for ones' ancestors is virtually universal. Nationalism ties into this. If you can't stand the hard Ss in that link here's one that might be easier to read: quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco/004849601.0001.001/26:6?page=root;size=100;view=text

Nigger you take pride in and appreciate the hard work of your ancestors and endeavor to protect it and enhance it for your children how is that bad. Your point is like inheriting your old family home and saying, well i didnt pay for this so might as well let in woodland creatures and niggers and shit on the carpet.

sorry heres the link ota.ox.ac.uk/text/4652.html

exactamundo!
You could even recommend he go play that Stardew Valley game
This is the mental level he is operating on. That game might actually teach him his first lesson.

Collectively inherit something good then challenge yourself to make it better?

Also on the concept of your DUTY to your HERITAGE:

"In every generation civilization is the laborious product and the precarious obligation of an engulfed minority." - Will Durant.

There's nothing 'racist' about it. It's a simple fact. Civilisation is always assaulted by barbarism. If you don't protect it, it will be snuffed out, and the barbarians will start a new one on its ashes.
Plain fact of history. Proven 1000 times.

Nationalism doesn't teach you to hate outsiders for no reason, it just doesn't teach you to love them for no reason either.

As for pride, I don't leftists like yourself actually understand what pride it: Pride is a desire to retain and to make better.

Pride is not merely 'a sense of accomplishment'. Hence why, in English, we do not say 'I am proud *because of* my accomplishments' but rather 'I am proud *of* my accomplishments. There is nothing wrong or strange with having pride in the achievements of those who came before you. It simply means you value what they have done and want to preserve and build upon the contributions that they have made.

Fixed.

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Well give me a better option? A practical one.
We stand un-united while all our enemies collectivize around us.
>The Chinks are collectivized
>The hispanics in our own borders are collectivized
>the niggers at least vote collectivized for their own good
>The Jew sure as fucking hell is collectivized
>The Muslims are collectivized
BUT OYYY VEYY WHITE MAN, NATIONALISM AND PRIDE IS DEATH. STICKING UP FOR YOUR OWN IS BACKWARDS. DON'T YOU KNOW YOU'RE THE REASON EVERY THING BAD HAS EVERY HAPPENED.

MASHALLAH IT IS OVER YOU KIKES THE FIRE RISES

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Are you implying pride one's own home means despising another's home?

Your shallow argument would only ever represent itself in equally shallow people.

It's psychological abuse to tell someone they can't be proud of their ancestors. Only white people are cuck-ish enough to put up with that bullshit.

The culture which birthed me created the greatest civilization the world has known.
I'd like to see that culture continue.
People who want me to destroy that culture can fuck themselves.

Fairly simple concept.

Because the alternative to showing loyalty to your tribe/country is to bend over and spread your asshole for foreign cunts who are more than willing to take advantage of your naivete. Just look at what that attitude is doing to the entire western world.

Or maybe the accomplishments and vision of your ancestors can inspire individuals to greatness?

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Compare OP's sentiment to this 1770 gentleman with swollen sore testicles, descanting with pleasure upon the achievements of his forebears, despite the aggrieving pain in his nethers. Surely the felicity gained by a devout appreciation of our ancestors is worth at least five, or possibly even seven, punches to the balls!

DuGaulle cucked out to the British and Americans in the end. Guy is hardly an expert.

Move to Africa for a year, then you come back and tell us.
We're all the same right?!

Um, NO. We have this as a personal accomplishment. Why don't you get your own pay check instead of sucking mine, fag?

>It's just sad to see that that part seems to rule most of your lifes.
Maybe you should stop going to far left sources for information on conservatives?

1. Tell whites they shouldn't take credit for things they didn't accomplish. (While nogs and other races take credit for things they didn't accomplish literally every day i.e we wuz kangz.)

Or

2. Blame all white people for things they didn't do or happened when they weren't even alive.

Pick one nigger.

Strong words for a mutt

He deserves it. De gaulle should have taken power and purged france.

Shut your fucking mouth you uneducated fool.

The entirety of the sciences are entirely built on building on top of past achievements, and so are nations, the next generations builds upon the past.
If you aren't proud on what has been achieved, how are you going to build on top of that?

It's the reason we have a saying, "dwarfs standing on the shoulders of giants".

fixed, phamalamalamalam

>liberals are patriots

fuck off

Oy vey. Keeping resources in the local community is racists.

quality

Huehue is on point
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How the hell did you get that idea out of this quote you mutt moron?

>appreciate the hard work of your ancestors and endeavor to protect it
throwing tea into a harbour, losing to vietnamese farmers, invading 3rd world shitholes and almost losing?

>every single nation on earth is the exact same
wew
op isnt even in his thread anymore

Nationalism is an ideology, Patriotism is an attitude/feeling

Anyone who tries to compare them is retarded.

You can be proud of what your group accomplished because humans exist in groups not as individuals. Just like ants exist in ant hills, and wolves exist in packs.

pride and hate are both good, useful emotions
globalists want everyone to live in a fucking cultural malaise. They literally want to create the world from Harrison Bergeron

Good shit

OP polishes mens room floors with his knees

>muh identity politics!
Youre a real fucking moron, are you aware of that?

God created Nationalism after he destroyed Babylon. You are a brainwashed tool of the Devil and the only bad thing around here.

Nationalism is Good. Only good can come from God, so ... F U C K O F F

you blue-pilled piece of shit!

The souls of the worthy are in the bodies of the worthy. Anyone who fails to appreciate this is unworthy.

>I have to show love for all 7 billion people on the planet, a significant proportion of which demonstrate a vehement hatred towards me and my people on a regular basis

i check both sides and form my own objective opinion

Nationalists are a bunch of trash who haven't accomplished anything on their own, so they lean on muh ancestors and muh nation as a crutch to feel any kind of self worth.

Because pride in the achievements of your forebears will drive you to emulate, and possibly exceed them. By this mechanism, civilisations evolve and develop.
It’s no coincidence that America no longer pursues the colonisation of space and instead spends much of their national drive squabbling over minor issues of race and culture, and that the abandonment of their lofty goals followed closely on the opening of immigration in the 60’s.

haha how do you even have internet in that shithole 7/10 keks for talking about education with that flag
& you missed my point; you should be proud about what your ancestors achieved. However it seems more like an obsession to all of you & not one that is going to make your shitty lifes any better.

you being born isn't your accomplishment. You had not nothing to do with it, so fuck your life

local unity is more sustainable than global unity.

Borders exist.

Stop being an idiot and be proud of what your ancestors died for you to have , and try to leave something good behind for the next generations too. Even if it will be something small , some get to make big things, some get so make small things, but both help a society to function.

slide thread sage

>nationalism means we want to love our country and have apprehension towards others
>oh my God!

Also whats with the pride leads to hatred?

I mean think about it, even if you have your ethnostate there will still be groups of different people within the hate that will hate each other. Because that's what people seem to need to do. Hate/blame other groups of people for their shitty lifes rather then realising you can fix things yourself without having to even care too much about the people that dont anything to do with you (i.e. all the people with the same skincolor that you'll never meet or might even hate if you did) And focus your attention on people that you do or want to have in your life. Your lifes will drastically improve. You even wouldnt have to blame anyone anymore. Go out and try it

Everyone fights for their own interests.

Their brutish invaders want to take from them. Their heroic adventurers want to take from the other side.

It's human nature to want more for your clan. The rest of the world is nationalists. The Vietnamese are nationalists. I'm married to one. They want to take from Americans every chance they get.

It's just the way man has been programed over tens of thousands of years.