Do 8 billion people deserve a life without work, without money, without hunger, without private property...

Do 8 billion people deserve a life without work, without money, without hunger, without private property, without borders, without masters?

no fuck off

DO 100 million deserve to die because of Jewish faggotry?

Why not?

We have enough resources to make this possible, the only thing stopping it is the billionaire class hoarding 99% of the world's wealth for themselves.

No, 8 billion people do not deserve others property.

Fuck off commie faggot.

>without borders

You're literally shilling for what the billionaire globalists want. I can agree with some things but fuck off with open borders crap

daily reminder that tallfags are a drain on limited resources and space. people aren't meant to be over 6ft

Comrade, communists don't believe in open borders

Obstructing the free flow of people is fascist behavior.
Borders implies a state, and a state implies violence against the proletariat.

No borders. No masters.

State capitalists are not communists, and /leftypol/ most assuredly does *not* believe in borders, at least once communism has been achieved.

fuck off to bangladesh and find out first hand

Nice try.

Yet capitalism sustains itself though war, or in sane terms, it doesn't.

I don't advocate Neoliberalism, we have to stop their bullshit first.

i was a communist once, then i moved to india and joined their communist movt, quickly learning that communism cant exist with shitskins.

to achieve communism you must eliminate the shitskins!

Nobody deserves anything.
This entitlement to anything, even life itself is a man made construct.

FAGGGG XDDD

Clever rebuttal and even better get

If keeping niggers out of my house with a padlock on the front door makes me a fascist,then I'll be a fascist till I die!
On a side note,you probably will too,by that definition

So I can walk right into your house and shit in your toilet?

Communists are just autists trying to force the entire world to adhere to their totalitarian cult.

You can shit right in his bed,can't obstruct the free movement of people and bowels come attatchè

Well, everyone will have communal living. So yes.

They will see in time comrade. I was mislead as they are now, but once you go class consciousness and are not an actual sociopath you don't go back.

When we're all a happy community of fun loving,authority free individuals,what stops me from taking a steak knife to otherwise random people who's faces I dislike?
What prevents me from murdering my communal housemates while they sleep and claiming the house as my domain exclusively?

Capitalism is the free market you dickhead not America’s Oligarchy
Read a book you dumb commie cunt not even China is truly communist

Please, let us dispense with the word "comrade."
It is cultish af and implies Stalinist comformity.

work is pretty humanizing
it's a significant part of individual development

That's kind of fucked, if you think about it. I work in public health and trust me, you don't want a randy just walking into you house and shitting in your toilet, finger fucking your food. You can get sick this way.

Private property is an evolutionary behavior. Humans use it to protect themselves. We secure our own personal territories for our actual biologial well being. Both as individuals and a group.

Why would you want to do those things in the first place?
99% of crime is caused by material conditions. The 1% that are committed by crazies and inevitable and you can't do anything to prevent them.

>Capitalism is the free market you dickhead not America’s Oligarchy
The free market inevitably leads to the concentration of wealth in a small percentage.

>not even China is truly communist
Never claimed it was.

All I'm saying is if we get ALL the resources I'm sure we can trust everyone to distribute it equally guys

Absolutely, and I will give the government as much fascistic, absolutist, unassailable power it needs to grant that way of life for me.
SIEG SOCIALISM

Sure. and that is the reason why you must sit down at the door in the helicopter.

Take private property and money off the list and you're onto something. A life without those things is a life without vital tools for facilitating healthy economic interactions.

no one deserves anything.

>communism
>fascistic government
nice meme

Haha ignorant capitalists, amirite?

In Anthem they shamed the guy for being too big and thinking too much. To OP its a beautiful dream but it's toxic. Without the need to strive people wouldn't achieve as much as they do. Capitalism is good because it recognizes that people aren't while Communism assumes we're angels.

End your life>without work
How?
This proves that commies are lazy.
>without borders
Like it was easy to trave outside of USSR

>without private property, without borders
No one deserves this hell.

In as much as fascism's central characteristics (aside from muh racisma) are a powerful authoritarian government founded on the supposed goal of uplifting the everyman, yes communism can be classified as a form of fascism.

Communism works for groups of up to 50 people, after which there is a 1% and someone dies.

> be communist
> take away people's property
> talk about how bad fascists are
Wake the fuck up! Centralization of power is never good whether it's from the left or right. Let the people be free, commie!

that wasn't real communism

USSR was a degenerated workers' state aka state capitalism aka red fascism aka not communism

communism is inherently stateless

Has there ever real Communism, comrade?

>it wasn't a real communism.
It will never work, it's impossible implement

Those resources will run out in no time if you give them away for free and then there won't be any money to produce and extract new resources.
Jesus Christ do none of you understand how business works?
Businesses use their profits to refuel and restock.
Without money, businesses can't function

Pre-agricultural human were communistic.

The 12 apostles lived a communist lifestyle after Christ's ascension.

Communism was attempted in Catalonia, Ukraine, and Rojava.

If we eliminate money and the profit motive, we eliminate scarcity

>pre-agricultural
>12 people
Yeah, that's about the limit of it.

Communism was attempted in the USSR, China and Cambodia too. It turns out you just can't implement it on a large scale without murdering everyone who disagrees, perpetually.

And all the incentive as well.
Are you going to produce food for 1000 people if you don't have to?

>communism is inherently stateless
bullshit it is. communism appeals to the concept of a collective will/good in place of respecting the right to private property, and this will is expressed through absolute democracy- a de facto state without explicit consent from the population.

What's more, recognizing the need for explicit consent is tantamount to recognizing private property rights, as anyone who does not consent to the democratic order is tacitly free to create and "own" capital off in their own little corner away from the commune.

You have it ass-backwards. post-scarcity must come first, and even then money and profit motive would still exist, simply because they're ideal mechanisms for facilitating exchange.

>eliminate the profit motive

So the world will be a better place once you socially engineer and brainwash everyone not to act like natural humans competing with each other? What gives you the right to say that? We're competitive animals and you can fuck off

>without masters

toppest keksimus

>act like natural humans competing with each other
Says who? Humans are *actually* social animals, who want to help each other.

>So the world will be a better place once you socially engineer and brainwash everyone not to act like natural humans competing with each other?
Yes.

so, school shooting that consists of less than 1% of total gun holders should be ignored as "you can't do anything to provent them" then?

>without private property
You'd have to do some shit to deserve that, which is why your belongings are confiscated when you enter prison...

Fuck off faggot. Go get a fucking job loser.

That extends to about 150 people at the absolute maximum, and even that's really stretching it. No one is going to sacrifice the people they know and trust for the sake of a total stranger.

Working minimum wage is really easy compared to managing a company

>Capitalism brings out the worst in humans
>Communism brings out the worst in humans
There must be a better way...

>Humans are *actually* social animals, who want to help each other

Within communities, yes. As individuals, people still compete to be at the top of the hierarchy. Equality is a lie.

Then we are justified to kill you for trying to change us and our children for your ideology.

>Within communities, yes. As individuals, people still compete to be at the top of the hierarchy. Equality is a lie.
You make a point...maybe bommmunism is a lie after all and brapitalism is the way to go...

>utopia
Won't work.

People tend to think that the life that makes people happiest and the life that promotes survival in the natural world are entirely different things-- they aren't. Our perceptions are tuned to help us climb hierarchies. Our collective social intelligence is tuned to create hierarchies that conquer nature. Without hierarchies to climb, our subconscious loses its grounding, and things can go really wrong really fast.

I'm not saying it's a dog-eat-dog world, though it can be if mismanaged by arrogant marxists. I'm not saying we're animals without free will either-- we can have free will if we want, but nature demands its dues, both inside ourselves and outside. And it's a ruthless debt collector.

t. humble lobster salesman

>implying communism and capitalism aren't 2 sides of the same evil

>We're competitive animals
careful with that assertion- we are social animals, and the left-wingers do nearly have the right of it when they insist that "welfare" in the general sense is beneficial, they just have the justification confused, and the means completely fucked.

philanthropy, welfare, mutual aid, social safety nets, whatever you want to call it, is beneficial to the INDIVIDUAL both because they act as insurance if an individual is faced with a crisis and lacks the resources to overcome it, and because it increases the net productivity (thus output, thus consumption) of the population.

As for the means, mutual aid can only ever be voluntarily given, as any mechanism of state control (including through communist democracy) creates the means for ill-intentioned parties to manipulate the economy for their own benefit.

Capitalism brings out the best in humans, your retardation is just shit sandwich as communism with added sauerkraut.

>without hunger

Sounds like the exact opposite of what people got under Stalin

The fundamental problem with utopian schemes is that people think they know what they want. They think that their goals are easy to define and never waver-- they think, despite all the lived experience to the contrary, that they're always the same person from one day to the next. That the "you" of the now knows what tomorrow-"you" will like.

This is disastrous. It leads to subtle resentment-- oh sure, you have a stable job, nobody's better than anyone else--- but now there's nothing to strive for.

That shit eventually finds an excuse to lash out in the most destructive way possible.

Never forget-- the worst shit of the 20th century was perpetrated ordinary people.

yes

Waitaminute-- are you say it's Marxists who are running the matrix?
-Mind-blowing, isn't it?
- Well, shut mah mouff!

>If we eliminate money and the profit motive,
You just unleash even more unpredictable and destructive forces.

Evolution promotes the existence of things that are good at existing. This is something fundamental to our reality-- almost tautological.

You can't "elminate scarcity," because scarcity exists wherever a species, idea, really any self-replicating lifeform, thing or phenomenon reaches its carrying capacity.

All you're doing is setting a new limit-- and even if you're conscientious and frugal, even if you could never consume the bonanza you've learned to extract from nature, there's someone else or something else that WILL.

And they'll be the ones who define the new parameters of "scarcity".

Think of it this way-- In a population of 100 people, you've got one crazy mormon couple who's just so excited about the infinite utopia, how nobody needs to worry about food or anything anymore. He wants to have twelve kids and one-hundred average white couples who each want two. He's 1% of the population! Not a significant factor right?

But his kids will make up 11% of the next generation. His grandchildren will make up 42%. His great grandchildren, 82%.

This is a way oversimplified, exaggerated example. Even if the mormons only had 1% more children on average, the difference after a century or so is staggering.

How long until every atom of matter in the solar system is converted into the machinery needed to feed an ever growing human population? How long until you can't tell your waking life from a Philip K. Dick novel?

>how long?
The real answer: Maybe 100 years, maybe 1000. Definitely less than 50,000-- I'd bet my fortune on that.

Exponential growth-- it's a bitch. Even assuming unimaginable feats of engineering, or basic discoveries in physics that totally rewrite our understanding of everything, it'll just move the bar back a little.

There won't be a no-scarcity future. Because all things being equal, all self-replicating systems want to be unequal. And they will strive to achieve that-- if not by competence, by sheer numbers.

That way is self knowledge. Face reality for what it is, and your own motivations. Stop being naive. Pay attention, and don't look to some ideological God-scheme to simplify things for you.

Not everyone can do this.

all commies should be fucking hanged

Nice digitals there bro

Also I got most of this shit from Jung, so I can see why you'd make that connection.

No you dumb cunt.

>an ever growing human population
Which is the issue, you're not going to fix this with any economic system. The only solution would be to lower all birth rates, preferably to below replacement level, obviously the non existent won't mind their own absence.

>Within communities, yes. As individuals, people still compete to be at the top of the hierarchy. Equality is a lie.
And this is probably something I got from lobsterman, but who's to say that competition isn't necessarily good for the community? You want people you can rely on around you right? You want your life to be the best it can be? To a huge degree, you're going to rely on others to do that.

Human competition is a funny thing-- you compete to see who can bring back the most of something for the benefit of everyone. There are lots of people who are 100% in it for themselves, but their subconscious is tuned to do things that benefit the whole group. Because if it wasn't, if they exploited others without recompense, they'd be driven away and die in isolation.

So is human nature selfish or selfless?

Iono.

>Equality
You think you want equality because when you were a kid, it made you mad when someone got more skittles in their lunch bag than you. At that point, your subconscious was screaming at you about this injustice, teaching you that it was bad. And at that moment, yeah, it had a point. It's not good for you if your caretakers prefer other children over you. If you were living on the veldts of Africa, that'd be a hint that at the first sign of famine, the village elders would take you far away from the village, too far for you to find your way back, and leave you there. (or more likely, turn a blind eye when you and your more-preferred and stronger brother both go out into the woods, and only he comes back).

There's no context to archetypal thinking, you can't have a measured response to it except with years and years of experience, or religious guidance. Your ego took all these psychological happenings too literally, and as a result your perception-category of "bad inequality" became too expansive for the world you know.

Basically, you have no idea what life is like outside of a hierarchy. (protip: it's worse)

>you're not going to fix this with any economic system
Which makes it all the more ridiculus that economics are pretty much the only thing anyone can talk about.

The reason is that relative economic status is to a large degree how we determine our place in the hierarchy.

If fish could talk, they'd probably talk just as incessantly about who gets to swim in front of who in the school, even if the problem they were facing was... I dunno, an oil spill or something.

WHO CARES WHO'S IN FRONT SWIM AWAY FROM THE DAMNED OIL! FUCK!

>inb4 the resentful fish at the back would see the whole school die rather than let those assholes at the front get away first.

obvious bait

Why would they if all they can do is beg the question? SAGE

>muh 100 gorillions


nice try cunt but stalin starved and shot more jews and other bastards than Hitler gassed

Aaaand that's why I left that shithole

...

Mass murder doesn't make you a villain unless you discriminate.

Sorry, didn't work. We got a 100 million corpses to proof that

Fuck back off to sargon you liberalist tm Capitalism is killing African kids every second

Communism kills hundreds of millions of communists, it can't be all that bad right?

>Without borders
Into the dust bin you go.

>Capitalism is killing African kids every second
Thats the best thing I've heard all day

Sorry, but communism doesn't work.
And I'm not talking about genetics and social interactions, I'm talking about a planned economy.

Victor Glushkov calculated that the number of actions necessary for balancing the production plan is proportional to the number of names of items whose production is planned to be approximately in the power of 2.5, and to optimize the plan - to the power of 3.5; There are no ways to optimize these calculations.

In the mid-1970s, when Glushkov unveiled his first works on the topic of an automated planned economy, the total number of names of items produced in the USSR exceeded 20 million.

From this it follows that all computers in the world will cope with the balancing of the USSR plan for 1976 for 10 years; and optimize - for 1 billion years.

Glushkov writes that part of the branches of the national economy must be balanced with the help of private initiative and market mechanism.

it is not the fault of capitalism that niggers cant feed their 11 children per family

ITT: "No."

You Again! FUCK off NEET get a job!
Op is s NEET Faggot!

>deserve